How to date an M1 Garand
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- How to date an M1 Garand. This 1956 example is a fine piece of craftsmanship, this is a matching number example with exception of the trigger group which dates to 1945
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Wish I had the guts to date a fine gal like M1 Garand.
I'd start with asking it out to dinner.....
I'm sorry I had to.
+Joseph Duenas you stole my comment you fucker!!!
+James Dumarot Your profile picture is my reply haha
ouch ouch ouch
Don't forget to bed the action.
He didn't know how to Feld strip it so how would he know how to put the the sling on properly..
garand thumb is due to not racking op rod back to complete lock, simple as that, its a battle rifle you're not suppose to baby it.
the clip ping getting germans or americans killed is also complete bullshit.
Give it flowers and pretty smelling gun oil? And sooth it with sweet words "oh my lovely garand..."
The person making the video keeps referring to serial numbers when in fact he should be referencing part numbers. The only serial number on this weapon is on the receiver. Every other part number correlates to a production date that should fall in line with the manufacture date of the receiver. The barrel should be dated with a month and year of production.
Parts numbers aka drawing numbers.
He's also perpetuating the myth of the grand ping being some kind of signal for the enemy to attack.
Bullshit enblock myth at 6:50. Sure, enemy listens for sort ping sound while high powereed rifle rounds are being fired towards them. I'll never believe that.
Agreed. In the heat of combat with hundreds of infantrymen shooting rifles, German soldiers could never distinguish any one particular rifle making a “ping” sound.
I liked the video, but there is one thing I had an issue with. Although "ping" stories from World War II regarding the Garand are common, in most combat situations, it was already loud enough with all the firing going on that the ping didn't really matter. The U.S. adopted infantry tactics from the Germans used in the First World War that meant squads worked in fire teams with heavy suppressive fire. Even if one soldier had to stop and reload, his squad was still providing covering fire.
Yes sir that is 100% correct , but in Vietnam in the early years thear were idiot's that didn't get the memo , rest their souls. By then the grand was refitted to the 308 from what I was told by my father he was in the navy at that time and handed the m-1 in .308 quite a bit fending off small rat boats that would try to sneak up in the night and bord the carrier when at anchor.
Personally I think the trick is to just be yourself, you want a garand that'll love you for you
Due to the title of this video, I thought it would be full of tips like, "pay for dinner," "open the door for her," or "have her back by 10." Thanks for the video. Make more!
I handled a M1 for about 7 years and never got Garrand Thumb. Just have to be quick.
Or know how to load it correctly........
I've never gotten Garand thumb I have crushed my forefingers in it a few times cleaning it though....
I usually start with dinner and a movie. Great video though! Learned more in 12 minutes about garands than in an hour of web searching!
in order to date a particular part. The M-1 only has one SerNo. So, and in conclusion, there are listings published that post the revision numbers, and if you care to do so, you can match the SerNo on the receiver with the revision number. The numbers run from dash one (-1) to approx dash thirteen -13. And, get that sling installed correctly! The clip goes on the rear swivel, and the sling is threaded through the front swivel. Best, Joe from Gunbroker forums!
the ping thing with the krauts rarely happened because they knew the americans had other men with them ready to fire
Not only that, all of the interviews that I've herd (as well as from family members that served in WWII), there was so much noise from battle that nobody could hear a little ping.
It's a complete myth that people keep feeding.
Yes. The Ping thing is a myth. My great grandfather who was a Fallschirmjäger verteran told me that the only time he heard the ping from an M1 was during street fighting in Holland. There the engagement distance was fairly close. However, no US rifleman is alone. If you heard one ping, there are dozens of other riflemen with rifles loaded who would perforate you in an instant.
After the war he became a US citizen and enjoyed shooting his M1 rifles.
No kidding, I roll my eyes every time. Like "oh one guy in the opposing platoon is out of ammo, better pop out!". Not to mention it'd be hard as shit to hear because gunfire tends to be loud.
Let me point something out here. That ping he talks about is there, but when you consider that no one in battle wears ear plugs, that means everyone on both sides aren't hearing anything except a roaring in their ears. You can walk right up beside someone who has just finished firing without earplugs and they cant hear you.
A lot of these rifles were still in service with National Guard units up until the early 70s.So parts were replaced a lot till then.most of the rebuilds occurred after WWII until about 1957 when M14s came into service.I like the forged trigger guard and bar windage sights which is like the WWII style.Im going to put those on my M1 soon.
I find a nice bouquet of roses works wonders.
Ok....I see EVERYONE beat me to the humor aspect of this post...DAMN!!
Thanks for posting. Great video, and I will be using it when I receive my HRA Garand!
Thanks for this, I just pulled mine apart. Receiver is from Dec 1943. Barrel is from Jan 1945. Bolt October 1944-November 1944. Trigger group December 1942-November 1944. Op rod October 1942 to December 1943. Its a CMP rifle so its probably different parts based on the date, but pretty cool they are all 1945 and prior. Dont have the original stock though which is a bummer.
There's a great little pocket sized book by Scott Duff - a leading authority on the M1 Garand - actually all US Martial firearms - called "M1Garand:Serial Numbers & Data Sheets it gives the Serial numbers AND Drawing numbers for each 'lot' of M1s - for ALL the manufacturers: Springfield Armory. Winchester, International Harvester and Harrington & Richardson...knowing of a rifle has BOTH the proper SN AND DN is important in determining that it's not a re-weld i.e. a "Springchester" or a "Winfield" - in the 60s & 70s, before they became widely available through either imports or through the CMP (formerly the DCM), some 'smiths would take the demilled receivers (sold on the market as scrap metal) and with a jig and elbow grease weld the two halves together, creating in many cases a 'Franken-Garand' - I KNOW - I bought one from a collector but was put straight by a guy named Bruce Dow (another authority on the Garand and a 'smith here in FL, who specializes in the Garand, Carbine & M1A)...Such a rifle will have mismatching SNs and DNs...I took the rifle back to the collector, who graciously took it back and for $100 less sold me his DCM Garand - he had given me the choice of two and I wound up picking the wrong one. Once I explained the problem and documented that the rifle was a reweld he understood I wasn't just trying to get money back (buyer's remorse) - I actually got a better rifle for $100 less out of the deal. Duff's book has a blue paper cover and is approximately 5 in long, 2 in wide and about 3/8 in thick and is INVALUABLE when you're shopping for a collectible - or even just a 'shooter' because if you get a reweld you'll never be able to resell it for what you paid for it, unless you buy it as a reweld...rewelds have been known to 'disassemble themselves' (rather dramatically) when fired.....HTH...there is also mention of this problem in Jerry Kuhnhausen's book "The US .30 Cal Gas Operated Rifles...a Shop Manual"
CB in FL
The best way to date an M1 Garand would be to take it to a nice restaurant pay for everything, and don't try to sleep with it on the first date.
Sweet looking rifle. Thanks for showing and the info.
dinner and a movie?
Every time I date a Garand its wants me to take it home. They are not cheap dates but very worthwhile every dollar. 👍👍
Buy some paint stripper. Apply liberally, wait 20 minutes, rinse with water, scrape that polyurethane off by scraping a knife up and down the wood at a ninety degree angle. Sand the rest off. Now apply boiled linseed oil waiting a day or two between coats.
I broke up with her for an m14
(Cries because I dont own an m1 garand)
@ 6:15 - All that little story means is you didn't see a REAL 'Band of Brothers' veteran being interviewed. As any actual combat veteran of WW2 will tell you, there's no way in combat a German soldier could have heard that "ping" the old wives tale speaks of. As my father said, "anyone who claims that could have been heard, has never been in combat with it [the M1]". That comes from a guy who saw plenty of combat; 35th Inf Div from Normandy hedgerows in the west of France to the Moselle River in the east of France. An infantry sgt with Purple Heart. I see no value in perpetuating that myth! Doesn't do justice to history in general or to the Garand specifically.
Exactly my thoughts. However, having met a few of the guys who were there in Normandy, I've come to understand that sometimes they can misremember things. Not necessarily from their own experience either, it seems to always be "my buddy TOLD me," or "I HEARD that some guys did this on another front," or whatever. I've never heard an actual first-hand account. I've personally been to reenactment events with hundreds of guys including myself firing blanks, and you really can't hear shit. I've had too many people come up to me and tell me that their uncle's buddy's mom heard from their son's friend that someone used this imaginary method of deceit.
Your video was great and informative, I found it difficult to watch because you said um, uh and ah so many times it drove me crazy. Never the less it was uh good and um informative.
The reason for different serials is due to having been rebuilt.
Mine is a 1943 m1 that my uncle got from a guy that just came out of the European front. He got it in late 1945
Those are not 'Serial numbers' on the assorted parts (except for the receiver) Those are DRAWING Numbers with a letter suffix when upgraded . If you compare two Garands they will have nearly identical numbers on the parts .
My Dad(ww2) told me if you filed down the Sear you could get it to fire AUTO but it was prone to jamming firing AUTO.
Hey, that was interesting. Thanks much. I'm going to look at one tomorrow. Been researching them for a few months. I'll let you know if I buy it.
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had a gunsmith tell me having all numbers match on a m1 is like impossable,mine was made by springfield june of 42, with a 1966 barrel, remimber they went from ww2 through korea into vietnam, lots of arsennal rebuilds.
+Wendy Whelchel Not impossible but they are getting rarer. In the M1 Rifle, numbers matching means to a list of part drawing numbers by a manufacturer. In the M1 Carbine, no manufacturer made all the parts. And there was a large amount of parts swapping between manufacturers of the M1 Carbine. So much so that you'd even find them with a line thru the one firms name on the receiver and an initial on its heel of who finish assembled it.
Some guns with original parts like the padded type trigger came back from lend lease rifles like Norway,Korea,and England.The British ones have English proof marks.The Philippines kept all their M1s because they are still in service with government approved militias or captured rifles since WW2.Great rifle I love shooting them,my dad still calls it his life saver rifle.
I don't spend much time with foreplay and the dating process, I simply stick it in and send it down range. : )
Yep have thought about changing it to a nice new one and keeping the old one since it got the proper cartuse's but it'll do for now
Anyone who fires a Garand absolutely MUST know how to break it down further than this for cleaning! Remove the operating rod spring and slide the operating rod back to the notch and remove it and the bolt. Next, use an M1 cleaning tool or a screwdriver and remove the gas plug. Rotate the figure 8 retaining bracket counter clockwise and remove it Pull the gas tube forward and it an the front handguard will come off. Slide the operating rod off the weapon and NOW you are ready to clean it!
Depends on a lot of factors, anything from $500- $5000 depends on condition how intact it is, ie. howoriginal it is if it was battle used etc.
nice job very informative
@leesherman100 That only works for the Receiver, All the other parts have their own unique serial number. To insure a numbers correct rifle you need to check each assembly and then cross reference them to the receiver. Each assembly should be + - 3 months to be numbers correct, unless you have documentation saying otherwise. The CMP will supply a build sheet with each assembly serial number that is included in each rifle it sends out. Anything else was built by Bubba, and the Value tanks.
Google M-1 Garand born on date. Presto, there you go!
There is one serial number which is on the receiver. What you are seeing are called drawing numbers which are onoat parts
Mine is a CMP select grade made in 1941 with a 3-51 barrel. Just checked it out.
Thank You!
First you walk up confidently and say, "hey, do you shoot around here often?
A few items that need to be cleared up. M-1 thumb: As long as you keep downward pressure on the clip, the bolt will not go forward of its own accord. Only when you release the thumb's pressure. It's those that are unsure of just when the bolt will unlock that get 'caught'. Keep downward pressure on the thumb, and the bolt will not bite you!
Now, the parts. All bolts (whether Springfield, HRA, IHC, or Winchester will all have the same numbers (for the particular part)..as they are not SerNo's.
A lot of M1s after 1945 were sent back to arsenals like Augusta,Anniston,or Springfield Armory for improvement parts and to be rebarrelled.I had a Winchester WW2 reciever with a new trigger group that was stamped with no trigger pad type.SA op rod 55 and SA 55 barrel and a new birch stock SA 56 with new ejector and guide rod springs.its was constantly maintained by arsenals and guard reserve units till the early 1970s.If you have an original god bless you.
Finding a WWII vintage Garand that hasn't been rebuilt is almost unheard of and if you find a pre-1940 gas trap (100% original) you have something worth close to $100K or more.
First, it's probably a real good idea to shower. Then, flowers are always nice. Expensive restaurants and you can't go wrong.
I thought just bringing them flowers and complimenting their shoes & hair would be enough to date them. I know, that's lame.
Great info, brother. I was just reading an article in the NRA's American Rifleman about dating the M1.
With my experience of using and watching use of the M1 if your loading the gun it's nearly impossible to get M1 thumb. When your pushing the clip in the op rod doesn't release until you do
How do you tell which caliber an M 1 is? A .308 or 30-06? The only indication I see is "Cal 30 M1" on the back of the reciever. I called Fulton Armory, who made it refurbished it and they weren't much help. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
You really only have one way to date it, by receiver. These rifles were continually being rebuilt and modified. The majority were re-barreled many times. Parts got traded out in the field and in the armories.
On Springfield's you could date stocks by the cartouch and if that is worn away the size of the barrel relief or holes in the butt.
Gas cylinders can be dated by Drawing numbers. platform size (platform is what the front sight sits on.)
Drawing numbers were not serial numbers.
How to date an M1? Can’t you just ask her out to dinner?
@xxuncexx Yes, The WW II era Garands do not have a bolt hold open feature, When you push the clip in the bolt comes forward.
Good work. Was hoping you'd zoom out a bit to see the whole stock
Well, you first have to get to know it, maybe buy it flowers, tell it it looks pretty and uh, maybe take it out for dinner and then see how it goes from there.
Very interesting, thanks.Mine is #47XXXX, the barrel is dated 11-41.
PING... lol They'd have to b 6 feet away to hear PING...
Serial numbers between December 31, 1955 to January 1, 1957: 5,793,848 to 6,099,905
Don't ask me why they do it that way. but the last rifle produced December 31 1955 was 5,793,848; and the first rifle produced January 1 of 1957 was 6,099,905 ( which oddly is the last serial number)
I must load mine different. I have my thumb at the back of the clip when I push down. It hits my thumb about half the time and I haven't had an injury yet. humm
The numbers on various parts allude to production runs and part number.
Screw modern guns I have no idea why we passed this it's an all around great gun I have been a lover since I'm 6 when I first saw one in action in a movie the damn thing spells BAD ASS MOTHERFUCKERY
frikin people are so critical! I just like looking at ANY Garand.
step 1: Make reservations at a swanky restaurant
step 2: Learn his/her interests and read up a bit on them, as well as finding something interesting about yourself to talk about
step 3: Appear like a fun individual to the M1 Garand you intend to date
step 4: execute plans
Nice Vid Bro, I just Found one in Great condition at a pawn Gunstore, according the the Serial number, the Receiver indicates 1940, however the barrel number ends in 46, and the bolt hat 66**** HRA I'm figuring a 46 model?
I would say receiver date.
Great start to the video and I will approve it immediately. I am in a major hurry so I will watch it in its entirety as soon as tomorrow but I will approve it tonight. I thank you for the video response and welcome them. I will pm you after I am able to watch the whole video. I watched enough to know its going to be great. Thanks. again.
It's not stamped 1945, It has a drawing number and the drawing number is a December 1945 drawing number. The other drawing numbers are consistant with the barrel date and serial number of 1956. Every few months the revision numbers changed and the revision numbers can be dated to a specific time frame.
I tried to date a M 1....but all it wanted to do is just sit in the gun cabinet
@Snowman1510ify Your's has likely been re-arsenaled and when it was the original parts where not used to complete the rifle. It is very common, and your barrel was replaced at that time. That is why you have a '55 barrel with say a '45 receiver for example
I have a 55 barrel to a 43 receiver but my rifle is in great condition and I paid up there for it on gunbroker.com !!! Most of the parts are by Winchester and a few SA and HRA !!! And I wouldn't take $3000 for it !!! I think i'll get out and go shoot it some next week on vacay !!!!
@doctruptwn did you make sure the bolt was locked fully to the rear?
When the garrens were built they had matching serial numbers but since they were service weapons when they would go down from malfunction they would be taken apart and repaired and since there were two at the beginning of the world war II companies that made parts for the guarin they would intermix them later on into the 50s there would be four companies building parts for the grand you would have international harvesters you would have Winchester and you would also have Springfield parts intermixed but to the beginning of your video we American production gun companies do match serial numbers service weapons even today like the M16 and m4s are also done in the same fashion when they go through the repair process in military installations.
The numbers are actually drawing numbers. They coridinate to a 3-4 month time frame and should be within that time frame to the receiver serial number. I havent found a web site for the drawing numbers. I used a book that had them listed to date my parys.
i gotta say the m1 garand is too good to date anyone
Winchester produced M-1's all used the milled trigger guard. SA used the stamped guard. Also I don't believe you can obtain "Garand thumb" while loading the firearm.
Unfortunately the enbloc clip part is not true, you can try this yourself by firing the rifle repeatedly without hearing protection and just for added realism have a buddy discharge a pistol a foot away from your good ear. After practicing this all day every day for a couple of weeks you will probably agree with the science and put a stop to the bs. Oh and for good measure,,, try throwing an enbloc in tall grass or on a sandy beach.
From what I've learned, it seems like to me, the more desirable rifle would've been the Carbine for combat. Lighter, shorter, higher capacity magazine.
no way. the carbine was majorly underpowered. there's a reason only paratroopers and tank crews used them.
+MadMetalManiac74 really? Only paratroopers and tank crews? I've yet to see period photos from WWII of tank crews with the Carbine. They preferred the M3/M3A1 grease gun or the Thompson in most cases. Countless Marines carried the M1 Carbine into combat in the Pacific and attested to its reliability and accuracy for many years following the war. Also regular infantry as well as Rangers carried the Carbine, not to mention truck drivers as well as Assistant Gunners in a machine gun crew and mortar men.
I will say the Carbine never was intended to be a light combat rifle, but more of a personal defense weapon to replace the .45 for guys in machine gun and mortar crews and supply convoys since it provided better range and firepower. But you can't deny that it didn't excel as a proven light combat rifle either. In certain situations, namely room clearing and urban fighting, the Carbine was far superior to the M1.
1stFallschirmjagerRgt very true and thanx for sharing that info.
And in night combat against Japan, the M3 version of the Carbine took a heavy toll on the Banzai charge troops. M3 Carbine had a night scope.
the m1 carbine was NOT underpowered uuughh these idiots regurtating the myth is starting to get to me. their were MORE carbines built in ww2 in about 2- 3 years of production than garands over 2 decades so they were carried, loved, PREFERED by the troops MILLIONS were in the battle field carried by just about everyone. the impact of a carbine at 100 yards is slightly more than a 357 magnum how is that underpowered. the reality is that veterans from korea not ww2 MISSED or shot at enemy far exceeding the max range and blame the gun. am i saying that korean veterans are lying YES I AM. remember MOST veterans are not combat veterans so they like fishermen make up stories to try to embellish themselves. stolen valor is strongest among veterans not civilians.
the m1 garand is NOT superior the carbine is way lighter you can carry way more ammo it was fully automatic machine gun it used a 30 round magazine no ping no garand thumb faster to reload etc etc the most decorated soldier in ww2 ONLY carried a carbine why HE ALONG WITH MILLIONS of men PREFERED IT!!!!! in fact plenty of reports were men would ditch dump the garand when a carbine became available.
My Int Harvester Garand from '63 to '69 was 4495147. Can you tell me about it?
Part two..they are Drawing Numbers! All bolts will have the same number. All Trigger housings will have the same number. All operating rods, the same number, no matter when it was made. The only way to date a particular part is the REVISION NUMBER..the number after the dash symbol. Post war drawing numbers will have a '65' prefix ahead of the drawing number. Other numbers are heat-lot numbers, and have no bearing on the date of manufacture. So, look for the revision numbers, See part three..
You said the first serial number on top rear give the date and number. ??? How? Mine has a 43 million number which I can not find. Is the number broken down to tell the date?
Kids these days just meet their Garands on Tinder. What ever happened to going out to the range and meeting one?
I was able to find a web site that has the receiver serial number dates, but am having trouble find a sites that have date/numbers for bolt, op. rod, trigger, etc. Do you know of a good Internet site? Nice video. Thanks. Cheers.
How to date an m1 garand, ask her out ‘
I 100% thought this was gonna be a shit post about literally romancing a gun
They even had numbers on them, The number on all the parts except the receiver are drawing numbers. These numbers were updated ever 3 months or so. Each major part should have a number on it if it doesn't there is something hoaky about it.
You can see uh, let's start with uh, dating the m1 uh, uh, uh.
Sounds like the site post is stripped out. I'm not sure, Hopefully somebody will give us a diffinate answer
Heres one that I find odd. I went to a yard sale last weekend and bought a M-1 Garand barrel and reciever (30-06) from an old guy in his early 90's. While I was looking it over I found no serial numbers on the reciever or the barrel and nothing has been ground off !Does anyone know if this would have been one of the 1st test prototypes from the early 30's ? or maybe an instructional or demonstration model ?
@xxuncexx When you push the clip into the receiver thee is noting to stop the bolt from slamming forward and if your thumb is in the way you get Garand thumb. it hurts really bad
You have to hold the charging handle with the backside of your hand while loading and then release !!! You get no m1 thumb at least I don't !!!!
“Ger-rand” accent on first syllable
This "expert" gave himself "Garand Thumb"? The "serial no.s" on other than the receiver are drawing no.s, not serial no.s. How the hell can you hear the "ping" of the ejected clip in the deffening din of war? Really lame vid...
The date of manufacture is on the right side of the barrel just forward of the chamber.
that receiver was a chinese copy if it has no serial number. you can get a book on ebay that will have the dates of the receivers, bolts, and all the parts my the numbers on the part. It is a blue colored book about 3 inches wide and 6 inches long. The 56 on the barrel id the year it was made.
so i paused this at about 2 seconds and it occurred to me that this might not be the type of video i was looking for. i'm not trying to learn how to take my gun out to dinner or buy it flowers. i may live in an open carry state but i'm not sure the waiter will be pleased to see my rifle across the table from me.
though i DO want to know how old she really is ;)
In most cases, older than the person trying to date it. :-) The last US GI ones were made in 1957. The oldest that are found readily are from 1941.
What does the A256A mean? I have one that says A215A, like you said is it the contract number? Thank you for your help
+instantwagner Heat lot number. It is a way of identifying what batch of steel the part ( receiver, barrel, or bolts) was made out of in case there were problems later.
The barrel should be within 3 months in the receiver date that's average so if you have a January 43 receiver you should have a April 43 barrel and you and me safe to say that they match and all the parts from that point on and everything when rebuild went on it didn't matter they just put whatever specially during the Korean war time the fifties parts got into mixed with war two parts as long as was in working order who cares. If you have a different barrel with a different date higher or lower or from a different country a Danish , h&r, Winchester barrel Lmr or anything you pretty much know it's been redone.
@geeayevette Thanks fro clearing that up Joe, It had been several years since I had read and the exact details eluded me. Each revision is associated with a time frame if I remember correctly (ie. XXXXXXX-1 mar.- may 1942) correct isn't that correct. And thanks about the Sling, I got it as a bunch of part with no op's manual. Took about 2 hours to figure it out, LOL
Goin in dry boys
Wish me luck
*Gets grand thumb*
Fookin dies
Ok thank it is a good gun
I tried dating mine but it told me it just got out of a relationship and isn't ready for anything serious.
@doctruptwn Thanks and do you know of any website that can allow me to properly date my M1 bolt with the seiral number?