Interview with Julie Roys: Investigative Journalist Covering Mike Bickle and IHOPKC Scandal
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Christina and Blaise are committed to speaking truth with passion and compassion while being down to earth and just normal people that value Jesus first and our marriage and kiddos. Currently covering the IHOPKC and Mike Bickle investigation as Blaise spent 4.5 years leading and working there.
In today's episode we interview Journalist Julie Roys. We discuss her background in radio and how she found herself at the forefront of exposing the dark underbelly of Church leadership. We also discuss her wrestle with protecting victims while exposing perpetrators and the specific thought processes she goes through in order to make those decisions. This was a powerful interview!
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Very grateful for Julie’s voice and wisdom. Without faithful journalists like her, the sheep would always remain prey to the wolves. Keep uncovering darkness and bringing it to the light, Julie!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
She is so courageous! We need more voices to speak out on these situations.
@@alliebeardontwalk8463 Speaking in general terms and not with respect to any one group; religious freedom does not mean religious organizations or leaders have a right to success in their efforts. Congregations close or scale down operations on a relatively regular basis in the Western World.
Thank you Julie Roy's for all your work in standing up for the church- exposing abuse.
Thank you all for continuing to shine the light on the evil at IHOPKC
Thanks so much for asking Julie about Misty. It helps humanize Julie as well, and helps me have grace where I might have been more harsh before. This was a really beautiful podcast, appreciate you and Julie! 🩷
Thank you for having Julie Roy on your podcast. She is a valuable voice healding the truth. I am so grateful for what she does. I know exactly what she means that she is in a house church because she doesn't feel safe in church anymore.
Ditto
The church
started in the home and they should end in the home. Not these big mega building company's Real Estate Empire, Bank Accounts paying their mortgages, child's private education; ALL expenses paid and people's time & money paying them to be in sin (whether molest, pedophile children, homosexual sin etc.,). People bow and pay homage to Molech and Baal worship. What about 1.5-2.5 page lust of Blogs People
Wanting the accountability for over twenty five years for IHOPrayer culture cult. With NO accountability.
The pressure that these Charismatic leaders put on their congregations to do more,pray more,give more,serve more and on and on is so harmful! Do not question, throw down discernment or your out!!!! Disturbing.
Baal is the hard taskmaster they worship.
@@user-bn3sj6pm4ijust one victim is too many.
This.
It’s not just Charismatic
It's not sad to be in a house church. The church is alive, relational, praying, and advancing in local, accessible places, with leaders who lay their lives down on the foundation of Christ and lift up the people.
Julie's conversation is quite the opposite of Mike's mumbo jumbo. What a breath of fresh air.
What hope is there for anybody.
2 Cor 10:5
Thank you both for putting a face to JRR. She is a humble soul not scary at all !
Thank you for having Julie on. It helps so much to hear her humility in how she reports. She is a gift to the body of Christ as well as this podcast.
I left the charismatic church in 2017 and I cannot even bring myself to go to any church again. I don’t trust any of the leaders anywhere. I spent a couple of years healing, and took a deep dive into the history and the teachers, and where everything was coming from. I still have faith in God, but I am a deep truth seeker at heart. I can’t handle the institutionalization of people.
Most religious institutions are slave-camps, that enslave people to the traditions of man. These were the accusations that Jesus brought against the leaders of his day!
Hey folks I have been OUT OF CHURCH for 15 yrs. or so.
6 churches shunned and in essence ejected me.
But this was because God used me like a scalpel just by being friends and being a TRUTH SPEAKER…I did not realize
that what I spoke truth about cut deeply to the heart of people’s lies and sins.
This is totally unintended nor was I aware myself.
BUT I LEARNED.
I love Jesus and His body and the Trinity as that is MY TRUE LIFE.
But my family history IS THIS CRAPPY BUNCH OF LIES.
We are all suffering whether we KNOW IT OR NOT!!!
Bless you. I hope you find a
port love and fellowship in this storm of lies and arrogance.
Depending on where you live we can send you listings of good word and spirit churches
I completely relate!
Same. I just do video Bible studies with like-minded friends now. I can’t stand the weakness in the modern church
“If you want to change the world, go home and love your family.”
~Mother Theresa of Calcutta
❤❤❤
Amen!
Wonderful! Reminds me of a quote I read when I was 14.
“The best thing a man can do for his wife is to love her children.” Anon.
Mother Theresa was no Mother Theresa.
I would rather see a quote from God's Word than from a flawed human being as we all are.
When something is brought into the light it belongs to the light. When something is keep in the dark it belongs to the darkness. Im thankful that Julie Roys brings things into the light. Jesus works in the light!
So thankful for Julie’s reporting. I’m sure it’s come at a great cost to her. It’s time The Church cleans house and starts being The Church! Too many people follow personalities instead of Christ. He is the only one who should be on a pedestal. Keep up the great work.
Narcissism seems to be at an all time high in the church and in people's private lives. Our house church is shutting down and I am wondering where I will go to church or even if I will go to church. I want to, but I am done with the hypocrisy.
Yes, it is THAT time, people will be lovers of self.
You will be led of the Lord, sorry your house church is shutting down. God will direct your steps💕
I would recommend gathering in homes to pray and worship.
I'm sorry to hear that! Praying that God guides you to a wonderful church and community as you rebuild trust and healing.
Religious Narcissist abuse!
I love that she touched on the repulsiveness of mega church conferences where a speaker is given an exorbitant amount of money and first class tickets from one another’s ministries vs what the real disciples of Jesus did- homelessness, going hungry, persecuted etc.
@rebeccanewell3449…we aren’t living in the time that the Disciples lived, and they didn’t live in our time today…society and life is very different between the two times…I wouldn’t compare how they each do ministry because in the disciples day they didn’t speak to thousands of people all over the world. Today missionaries can because of traveling in planes, etc.
@@westofthemiddle I think what Julie was alluding to is these leaders have become Celebrities many could actually be featured on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. And many leaders are more interested in impressing their buddies than shepherding the sheep. Jesus warned us to beware that charlatans and hirelings would sneak into the fold.
This interview was so necessary. I’d not heard of the Roy’s Report before the Bickle story was published last Fall. My knee jerk reaction at that time was that the same group that is funding Christianity Today was behind this story. Why else would a Jane Doe come forward to tell a 25 year old story about a leader of an international prayer movement-during a time of political upheaval? I have to admit that before this interview I did believe the stories coming out of the Roy’s Report were true. But I thought the point behind them was to ultimately bring down the church. Hearing Julie’s heart lets us know that her hope is to bring these things to light as a saving grace. Maybe this way we may be given opportunity to ‘flip the tables of the money changers’ and wake up the church before it’s too late.
Thank you, both, for helping us navigate through this. IHOPKC impacted our family many years ago in a very important way. Like countless many, we are heartbroken by what is being revealed. It really can make your head spin.
Really appreciate this interview. It is so tragic and heart breaking. Thankful that Julie was willing to stand up and expose the terrible abuse of these minister's leading a double life. Thank you christina and Blaise!!!
Excellent. Thank you Julie for your heart for truth. And giving a voice to it.
I love this journalist, she has such a tender heart & desire for speaking Truth in a loving compassionate way towards the church.
Thank you Blaise, Christina and Julie! Great interview praying for all of you! Blessings
I am now a Julie Roys fan. Her answers were superb. May God continue to use her as iron to sharpen the body of Christ.
Thank you guys and Julie. I appreciate your work, and I rejoice in truth and justice. Seeing the awful face of evil can be painful. It’s not only in the church, the world is full of evil as well. I agree about the need for restructuring within the church! May God bless you all, and all true believers in the world.
I’m so glad you were able to interview Julie Roys! I’m watching it live. I appreciate you guys. 🤙
Thank God for Julie and the both of you. Not an easy assignment the Lord has put before you but SO necessary!!!! THANK YOU for what your doing. May we ALL become lovers of the truth and not allow darkness to stay hidden!
What a great interview! So nice to hear Julie Roys and see where her heart is in all of this. It takes a strong person of integrity to do what she is doing. Thank you, Julie!!
Blaise, Christina & Julie. Thank you. Integrity and courage are beautiful things, very thankful to Julie Roy. We gotta be praying for you all.
Great Interview! Julie Roys is a hero for the work she has done. She is incredibly brave. I have really appreciated the quality of investigative journalism her team puts out. I really like the "cross-pollination" that takes place when individuals from one stream of Christianity (Charismatic/Pentecostal) take time to listen to and learn from people from other streams (traditional Evangelicals). I was surprised when someone from the Charismatic/Pentecostal stream (on a different video than yours today) mentioned Julie Roys and had never heard of Moody Bible Institute (Ms. Roys used to work for Moody). In like fashion, I was surprised when close family members who are prayerful Chrisitians had never heard of IHOP or 24/7 houses of prayer. It's so nice to see people discussing and learning from one another. I think the Christian world needs more of this. (There are some generational differences here and I like that, too.)
It’s not Pentecostals or charismatics! It is these large churches that become greedy for power for money and fame! That kind of power can turn into power for lust!
Finally someone speaks the truth about leadership in the body of Christ. Perfectly said, Julie. Thank you. We are to serve...Jesus first, and always people.
Leaders? Did you day leaders? Christ is our leader.
Thank you Blaise, Christina and Julie. I appreciate your hearts and your courage and your willingness to step up.
Thank you for this. Spiritual abuse is terrible and needs to be addressed. I have hope. There are many faithful pastors and leaders who are as Paul said "above reporach" and serve and love their congregations as they serve them.
Oh absolutely, a victim can have a hundred reasons not to come forward. Not only is it the shame, the dragging through the mud. Abuse creates mental and physical illnesses. You have to have a great amount of strength to come forward. Not to mention the threat of loosing carriers, family and friends if they come forward. Many live in survival mode because their daily performance depends heavily on it. Many are living in the poverty cycle without the finances or any type of support as a result of the abuse. This is not spoken about or comprehended very much in these spaces. I think people have the idea that victims somehow have the support and resources. The reality is 80 percent of us don't. You aren't looking at middle to upper class citizens here. You are looking at those in the gutter, on welfare, etc. I don't think the church is ready to embrace this class of individuals.
The fear is crippling, the shame overwhelming.
What a awful burden to carry.
@@VitalTruthTell and the poverty and social status it often places you in is not even close to what most churches are willing to touch.
@cjshine7984 💯
What a great video . Thank you for introducing us to Julie. She is has a sweet spirit woman. I'll be praying for all of you as you all continue this important work for the body of Christ
I’m not a Christian anymore but when I was my church followed a lot of IHOP’s teachings and Misty was such an inspiration for our worship. My pastor and worship leader were and still are good people but there’s a lot in the church that caused me to no longer believe. Even 10 years after leaving, IHOP and Misty held a special place in my heart. Her music still touches me even if I don’t believe the message. To see what’s going on now makes me very sad to see bc I know the impact it is most likely having on true believers who are good people. I’m glad there are people who are standing up for the victims. It’s not a liberal or conservative thing and to make it that causes the church’s witness to be tainted. I know stating that im no longer Christian may cause people to want to preach at me or pray for me. I would prefer if you didn’t. However, I just wanted to let you know that as a non believer I feel saddened for those who still believe and are having to deal with this scandal.
I'm so sad about it too.
Jaebirdsing: don't give up on God because of an abusive evil cult that didn't live God of the Bible. Don't follow Graham Cooke, his "wounded and BETRAYED believers to God" message a life changer! Cane out of a horrific Christian (not) cult. Made new go back read Bible and do what said in Matthew 10 etc. We are the church. Woke me up to this evil abusive culture that did not live God of the Bible at all. No more following after Man, dead religion. 2 Corinthians 1:all God DOESN'T waste a thing in our lives.
This is the best interview. Thanks for sharing. It was so wonderful to hear Julie’s heart. Thanks for having her on.
THANK YOU, JULIE! These are matters of Right and Wrong, not Right vs. Left. The days of “pay, pray, and obey” need to end. Prayers and love for all victims.
I’ve been a Christian for 60 years this year. Sadly, I can look back now at so many instances where this kind of scandal has been present. The whole; ‘Touch not God’s anointed’ line has been very familiar to me, because of my upbringing in a Word of Faith church, but I have long since learned how totally at odds with the scriptural meaning behind that phrase as it is found in scripture. The first time it shows up in scripture is in David’s Psalm 105:15 (which is recorded in 1 Chronicles 16:22) and it’s instructive to read this, in context, very carefully:-
Psalms 105:7-16 - New International Version (1984) (US)
7. He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. 8. He remembers his covenant forever, the word he commanded, for a thousand generations, 9. the covenant he made with Abraham, the oath he swore to Isaac. 10. He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant: 11. "To you I will give the land of Canaan as the portion you will inherit." 12. When they were but few in number, few indeed, and strangers in it, 13. they wandered from nation to nation, from one kingdom to another. 14. He allowed no one to oppress them; for their sake he rebuked kings: 15. "Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm." 16. He called down famine on the land and destroyed all their supplies of food;
Something not so well understood about the incident with Balaam is that at the time, God was not happy with His people, but when Balaam tried to curse the Israelites, God would not allow him to do that. David’s words here in v.14 refer to this. God may well have something against His chosen people, but HE will deal with it and His attitude is the same as any parent; They are MY children and I will deal with their disobedience, NOT you. You don’t have the right to address this.
David referred to this principle when his men urged him to take advantage of Saul in the cave, in 1 Samuel 24, when he said that he wouldn’t raise his hand against the Lord’s anointed. The same principle as we find in his recounting the history of Israel, when God would not allow people to curse His people. Saul had angered God to the point where God had said He would give the kingdom to David, but David knew that he had to trust the Lord to deal with Saul and not take matters into his own hands.
HOWEVER! David didn’t keep silent about Saul’s sins. He didn’t do Saul any physical harm, but he did call Saul out publicly, revealing his sinful behaviour to all who were nearby, so those who quote this as some kind of proof that we must not SAY anything against the Lord’s anointed are totally wrong. Speaking against sinful behaviour is perfectly acceptable. As long as this is not a false accusation. Whether or not this is the case, MUST be evaluated by weighing the evidence we have to hand against the scriptures.
This is a hard subject to deal with and doing so in a scriptural way is not ever easy. We look at the teaching of Jesus in Matthew 18 about how to deal with a person who sins against another and we leap to make that the overriding rule on how to deal with ALL sinful behaviour in the Church. This is not valid, because it’s clear from th etext that apart from God, only two people know about the sin being mentioned; the one sinned against and the one who caused the offence. Jesus’s words tell us that we should try to preserve the secrecy by just the one going to the other first. It’s only after the offender rejects this approach that the victim is told to take a witness, and so on. However, there are instances where even this process is not appropriate. For example, what do we do when an adult who is not a parent of the child, sins against a child? Would it be appropriate for a child to be forced to confront this adult in a one on one situation? I don’t believe so, because I understand from scripture that a child is under the protection of their parents, and that in such cases, the parents must be the ones who confront the offending adult. How do we then deal with situations where a man who’s been using his (supposed) authority to exercise control over another person to the point where they have become sexual victims? I don’t for a second believe that the LORD requires that the tenets of Matthew 18 be used to muzzle victims of this horrible sort of abuse.
One more thing to be aware of; Jesus said that we would know false prophets by their fruits and it’s clear that anyone claiming to be a prophet (or even just a Christian) who behaves in such a way as to exercise control over someone else, to the point where they are abusing them, is NOT a brither in Christ and certainly NOT a Prophet of God. Paul told the Corinthians to cast the young man out of the church. I don’t see any biblical reason why church leaders should be treated any differently. DO we seek to resotire them to a right relationship with the LORD? ABSOLUTELY! Do we restore them to a position in ministry? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Loved to hear Julie mention Diane Langberg's name. She is a wise, incredible woman, with a PhD, has amazing grace on her life to shine His light in the darkest places in the Christian church (internationally, not just Western). Highly recommend Dr. Langberg's tremendous resources for victims, support groups, etc. Even just reading through her X page brings clarity, healing, validation, etc.
Thank you, Julie Roys, for helping to expose what we could not discern. God, give us discernment! We need Your holiness in our lives! We need to stop following people. We need to follow You and only what You do. Paul would say, “Follow me as I follow Christ”.
This talk was so good. I am thankful for people like you three who are willing to speak out. Best to you guys.
Praise God for you all! We are definitely in a time of church reformation and it is sooo necessary.
The body of Christ needs Julie Roys - She is a vital voice for the hour we are living in- We need to get off the milk and start eating meat......We pray for Misty and the grooming she endured and succomed to, and we pray for all involved- But the Lord will not be mocked....Proverbs 25:5 “Take away the wicked from before the king, and his throne shall be established in righteousness.”
I am thankful for Julie! We need the truth no matter how terrible it might be!!!
Such a good interview/conversation! Thank you for giving Julie the space to share her heart. The care, concern and integrity she applies to her work is evident. What an incredible journalist and woman of God!
Julie s perspectives are refreshing. An intelligent compassionate and servant hearted journalist!
Wolves abusing people in the church is evil but then for church people to enable, cover-up, defend, and mistreat the victims is also evil!!
I loved your interview with Julie Roy. I have admitted her courage in telling the truth. Seeing her interact with you both revealed her heart and personality. Seeing and hearing the struggle she goes through to do this hard, difficult journalism gave me greater understanding. Thank you for this very helpful, informative and moving interview.
Finally! I’m so sick of hearing “leadership.” Jesus said “follow Me”
and he that would be greatest would be a servant.
Amen!
The part about we like narcissistic leaders cause we want to be part of something big.. right on. Exactly along the lines of what I’ve been thinking. Even the maga church scene, we want to be represented by a “pretty and put together” ministry. We’re so shallow 😔 but we’re learning. I think church looks like home churches in the next 10 to 20 years
We were part of an international ministry and one of our fellow missionaries was found to have been abusing young children. The leadership of the ministry sent a Christian psychologist to help the staff deal with the fallout. We had him over for dinner and the question I asked him was: I understand that Christians can fall into sin. But how is it that a Christian can scheme and plan and manipulate to be able to 'have his way' with vulnerable victims? His answer surprised me. He told us that in his experience these are not Christians. Instead they are people who seek out professions where they have access.
interesting point
TRUE and people in the church need to start figuring this out!
Yes
one reason i think people are drawn toward the narc personality is we like to be entertained. and narcissists are often talented entertaining charismatic in the personality meaning of it. we are entertained in every part of our lives. screens every where. and i think part of it is the narcissist will gladly take over and let everyone sit back and let them be in charge. the audience isn't responsible to lead or think or question anything. narcissists also seem very capable of being in charge, even if they're faking it. very complex.
I guess I have been in the NAR church buying everything hook, line, & sinker. Doesn't matter what they said. I believed in whatever they said.
Please Jesus, forgive me.
I should've been following You & reading your Word & what You say.
We are drawn to people who seem charming. And they know it, they know they can sway groups and crowds.
It takes a while for a victim to realize that they were really a victim. There’s always guilt. And blaming of self.
Absolute power corrupt absolutely! 💯 % of the time. The more famous, influential, and power these ministers get, the more pride sets in. Then there are the ones that seek out the pulpit bcuz of the power of the position.
Thank you Blaise, Christina for this wonderful interview. Special thanks too Julie Roys for the hard and essential work that you are doing. The church needs you. I also believe that the Lord is doing this, He is exposing and cleansing His church. He promises that He will build His church and we are in the process!! Thank you Julie.
Praying for you, Julie, and your family. Take heart. You have many God-fearing Christians standing with you, praying for you. God is with you.
What a lovely lady Julie is! Integrity authentic and compassionate! Keep on
doing what you have been called to do Julie! You ate very brave and it takes a lot of courage to do and continue to do...May you be blessed abundantly with more courage and fearlessness! May you know the joy of the lord and His pleasure in you!
So good guys!! Thank you for doing this!
Julie is such a blessing to the body of Christ. Thank you for all you do. I do church at home teaching my wife and daughters b/c I refuse to subject my family to the nonsense in the American church. After leaving my first church, because of cult like tendencies, I looked for a solid church for 15 years and finally just gave up. Too much false doctrine and cultish tendencies in every church I tried. The church is supposed to be nameless and faceless as far as the leaders are concerned. Our face and name does not matter. There is only one name, His name, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
It’s great to hear from Julie! Thank you all for your channel and taking to risk to expose these atrocities against the sheep.
Thank you, Blaise, Christina, and Julie. So glad we are brothers and sisters in the Lord! You are so appreciated.
Yes to the grassroots initiative of standing for the truth with Jesus as our leader!
I am so extremely grateful for your podcast! Thank you for helping us in the church to brake the silence and giving so many of us strength to stand!
Thank you for this interview. My thinking on the future shape of the church is that it's going to end up just how it began. In the home around the dinner table.
Deeply grieved over this exposed darkness yet grateful that these things have come into the light.
Julie you make some excellent points in this interview. Thank you. Keep up the good work. God bless you! 🙏🏼💗
Well done. I am proud of you all. You have good hearts ❤
I enjoyed this conversation, thank you, Blaise and Christina.
Very very good. Thank you Julie. Good job reporting a messy story. God definitely is reforming His church!
Bless you Julie 🙏 ♥️
Bless you Blaise and Christina 🙏♥️
“Rethinking how we do church” Yes!
“Finding Church” by Wayne Jacobsen is a great read.
Outstanding interview. Thanks Wake up and Win!
I listened to the full interview
The only check I got is when Julie said she loved who the Lord was.
Jesus Christ is today, yesterday and forever.
Let us never forget.
The Lord Jesus is using you for His purposes in these end times, Julie and team. God bless you for standing for righteousness, truth and the healing of the Body. I can only imagine the resulting joy on our Lord Jesus’ face, as His Bride is being prepared.
I absolutely loved hearing her heart! Her humility, wisdom, and love for God & the body of Christ (most of all the victims) made an impression on me. May God bless her!
Someone needs to investigate Brian Simmons…..all the same types of experiences as Bickle and teachings about Song of Solomon, etc. it’s scary listening to him. I think he’s forming a cult with a group of followers.
Yes! Brian Simmons is scary. Claims God downloaded all this new revelation to him on how to translate the Bible.
Making money off of people NOT reading their Bible and LIVING IT!
Wow! Powerful and insightful! 🎉❤
So Good & So needed!
Just listening to your video it us easy to see they you are where God wants you to be. Thank you all for your video.
I very much appreciated Julies talk with you. It is easy to see the thr level of concern she has been bringing to her reporting. The world we are living in has been ravged by sin and phony life. Many times people act as if everything is okay. The genuine truth is we need Jesus love and thr holy spirit presence and guidance not just every minute but every second to get us all thru this earthly exsistance.
We are told Truth shall set us free because it is biblical. A lot of the corruption of thr world is being exposed. The good thing is Jesus is bringing drastic changes to the world never seen before.
I love your reporters viewpoint it is truly one of a servant mentality.
Great interview!! Thank you for pursuing the truth!!
Thank you for coming forth
Thanks for this interview. Really insightful, and nice to hear from Julie herself!
Ihopkc needs to shut down
IT'S TRASH - even though the worship is great, the bad theology is just too destructive.
@@otherworld11 Well, I'm from a mainline denomination, so I didn't grow up in the evangelical tradition. Forgiveness of sin (assuming it's authentic) does not assure someone of a position in church leadership, fame, fortune ,or power. I went to church the other day. I said the formal prayers we use for forgiveness of sin. I meant the words I said. The forgiveness I sought deals with my salvation; it does not in isolation qualify me for a job , or a leadership position in my church. I'm not mechanically inclined, so I'm not suited for a job as a mechanic. I don't apply for jobs that require those skills. I'm speaking in general terms not about any specific person or case when I say forgiveness of sin doesn't assure anyone in leadership positions that they will or won't keep their jobs. My faith doesn't assure me of a job. I personally think the speakers are really talking about a culture of entitlement. (whether they intended to do that or not)
The Church is not supposed to be a vehicle for defending or opposing partisan ideologies. (or gaining political power) People of faith have always participated in politics as citizens of countries. A country is not a church.
Thank you all.
Greetings from Iceland 🇮🇸🙌 Thanks for helping me process, waking up and win.
Thanks for this much needed conversation. I am completely sympathetic for all of the victims. I pray that The Lord heals them, their lives, and their families. On the other side, I wonder how many in the congregations seriously pray for their pastors as opposed to setting them on pedestals as superheroes who need no help? Why do people gravitate towards these kind of leaders? I believe that many of us have lived vicariously and find our identity through them. Jesus calls all believers, sons, kings and priests. The five-fold ministry was meant to be temporary with the ultimate goal of us knowing The Lord even as we are known.The devil knows that if he smites the shepherds he will be able to scatter the sheep. Do we also heed Paul's admonition to those of us who are spiritual to restore those taken in a fall in a spirit of meekness, considering ourselves? Lastly, where are checks and balances way beforehand protocols for counseling. Informing the congregations of those protocols and hiring pastors with the stipulation of accountability reporting on a regular basis. I'm compassionate and truly sympathetic towards all victims without exception. I also wonder if Jesus loves the abuser and if there is help, redemption for them as well? from a former, recovered, healed victim of childhood molestation.
Paul Washer has an excellent segment on the modern church where he compares the church to a simple, pure, elegant bride of a good king. And while the king is gone, he asks His people to protect his bride. Then the people decide in order to bring in more support, they will “dress up” the bride to make her more attractive to everyone. And she ends up attracting the world because she appeals to their carnal desires. And basically, when the king comes back, he’s going to be more angry at the people who perverted his bride than those who always rejected her.
Julie Roys: Heart of Gold & Boldness of a Lion
Julie I’m so proud of you!! You keep fighting the Good fight!!! You’re making a huge difference- lol “the Bro club “ it’s awful. Thsnk you for having the courage to!!!😢🙌🏼🙏🏻❤️
Great interview! It’s the pathos behind the truth. Thank you!!
Thank you guys. This was so good!
God help us!
So thankful for Julie in the body of Christ. What a tough assignment. There should be men in this kinda work. Praying for Julie. Sad that This os so needed in the body of Christ.
Such a beautiful observation about servanthood ministry. My dad was also a charismatic pastor (and medical doctor) that went to Moody (in the mid-50’s).
Thank you for this interview. It was so helpful ❤
My question in all of this is; where is the discernment in the mature leadership?
Bless you precious young couple. Im sitting here watching this praying with tears to God to protect your family from any attacks that can come to those who dare to stand up and cry out for justice.
Im going thru exposing a so called pastors controlling and raging abuses over senior women he has housed in a resident "discipling" program. He has gone off the deep end, confronted by his own board comprised of 2 other "pastors" who exposed him and told him to step down, he refused. Donor churches lead pastors confronted this man too, privately, but have failed to speak out publicly or report him to authorities, leaving that for just one woman whose a certified advocate and then myself reporting to Adult Protective Services. No male leadershio is stepping up to protect these women and this mans wife who lived under his severe control and rages for 4 years. He is a true Covert Narcissist...everything revolves around him and for him.
They have reported him for misappropriation of funds, but wont report him for his verbal abuse and use of control to keep these women compliant to this mans orders they have to be in his church every Sunday, even when sick. He forced 3 women last Sunday to get into church, one was sick, the other was having a migraine and he told her a migraine shouldnt keep you from being in church. He told the others they didnt have reason to not be there...all to listen to him teaching his heretical Preterist theology.
He is reprehensible telling all he is right they are wrong and he owns everything and can basicly do what he wants unhindered.
Im in tears over all this injustice from him and lack of TRUE Godly leaders. Im doing what I can to advocate for them
People are drawn to narcissistic pastors because they are not reading and studying the Word of God for themselves.
Oh, Julie, God needs us, He absolutely does! The same way the body needs you to do this work, God needs you. We ARE His hands and feet, and other body parts.