Hi @beeautomation! thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts on how to choose the control systems that fits your needs, your profile and maybe your type of clients could we add? I believe advices from professional who actually "do the work" is worth sharing! I also believe that is this sort of initiative that will grow our market and make those project more enjoyable for the Client and the Professionals (....and to a certain extent the Planet....but that a different topic) Anyway, I hope you don't mind me sharing your contents to my network! Keep up the good work!
@@beeautomationIt is Interesting to see your preferences shift over time. What system(s) would you recommend for a new luxury/high-end residential build in the US? 100% automated.
The trouble for me is a lot of these systems are propriety and often require manufactures training days/weeks and even getting a hold of the hardware just to mess about with isn't exactly easy or cheap.
Do you think Google, Alexa & apple Assistance can monopolise this industry making the average DIY guy taking having no need for a specialist to install a Control4 or loxone ect ect
With KNX and Loxone you can access their hardware without having to go on their training and the programming software is available for free. The KNX free version does limit you in the amount of devices up can have in a system but works perfectly well for learning and small systems 👍
@@user_i.d I don't think that will ever happen. I think as the years go on and more people (building specifiers included) become aware of these professional systems, their benefits and realise it can be done affordably they will end up dominating the med end of the market (and obviously high end). I think they'll still be a place in the future for the off the shelf consumer products but I don't think they monopolise it... great question! 🙂
KNX is an open standard supported by 500 companies (ABB, Siemens, Schneider Electric …) , it is in more than 1M buildings and is open by design, unlike Control4 and Loxone eho have just one manufacturer behind them. What used to be KNX’s biggest problem - the lack of a default server for visualisation and automation - has become it’s biggest strength, as you can use it with HomeAssistant, OpenHAB and ioBroker, in addition to around 50 commercial solutions. Unlike Loxone, KNX has no single point of failure - a defective MiniServer or botched firmware update can cause the whole building to be dark for days until a replacement server is installed. With KNX everything can be designed in a redundant, highly available architecture, with separate lines per floor and - due to the intelligence of each component - no impact of one failed device on any of the other members on the KNX bus. So if you want to use Loxone in a reliable way - let’s say for hospitality - you should always use KNX as the infrastructure below the Loxone server. If you use Loxone Tree, you bet the wiring of the building on the success of a single mid-sized austrian company. I personally would never do that, given that we are talking about a 30-50y timespan. If you want to get started with KNX, check out Torben Ledermann’s English KNX course here on UA-cam. It might seem complicated at first, but there is beauty in KNX’s simplicity - and because you can control every device on the Byte & Bit level, you have guaranteed compatibility and long-term stability within that platform.
@@maxking3 Great comment! And I totally agree with what you're saying. I love what you said about "botched firmware update" I can't get over how they can allow this to happen! The amount of partners they must P*** OFF! I say "partners" very loosely too ... Loxone is a great product to start off with but not a reliable, commercial grade option compared to KNX. KNX needs to be made more intuitive to use for new people entering the industry though. ETS is not user friendly at all! Thanks for sharing mate, and I will look into that UA-cam training!
if you have a ton of interest from clients for video distro, touch screens, audio matrix, and basic level automation; like going to a wall and swiping tablet pages and reading switches for lighting or "automation scenes". Maybe even check out savant they have a much higher rating in the AV industry, and their switches are so much nicer than control4, like 10000x nicer lol and less reported failure. if that's your thing I would look that direction personally. If clients are looking for a smart home 100000% loxone is the one you would want to do real automation at least in my opinion. we switched from AV to what we like to call energy focus automation and in i think 2 years we saw a 10x in work load. That being said we're in Canada, and we get cold and natural gas is pricey, but that's what my experience has been personally. AV "smart homes" are dying and will be replaced with google and amazon since they realistically DIY smart homes can actually do more and do it cheaper, without a pro installer. They wont for years and years replace a industrial grade home BMS like loxone, smarter move would be team green.
Hi @beeautomation! thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts on how to choose the control systems that fits your needs, your profile and maybe your type of clients could we add? I believe advices from professional who actually "do the work" is worth sharing! I also believe that is this sort of initiative that will grow our market and make those project more enjoyable for the Client and the Professionals (....and to a certain extent the Planet....but that a different topic) Anyway, I hope you don't mind me sharing your contents to my network! Keep up the good work!
Thank you mate... Love your latest video, such high quality production!👌 ... Appreciate the share too, thank you!
Could you let me know how and where I could find training courses for Control 4?
Just discovered your channel. Very informative videos. I’m a sparky also who does home automation from NZ. Have you looked into Lutron at all?
Thanks Gary! Yeah I'm familiar with Lutron, never used it though as it's limited to only lighting and blind control.
Nice ! 👏
What type of tree is the one behind you ? 🙂
Loxone 🙃
I don't see you using Loxone as much anymore as before. Are you still a Loxone fan?
It’s very much a love hate relationship I have with Loxone 😂 … I’m still using Loxone but do more work with KNX & C4 these days .
@@beeautomationIt is Interesting to see your preferences shift over time.
What system(s) would you recommend for a new luxury/high-end residential build in the US?
100% automated.
The trouble for me is a lot of these systems are propriety and often require manufactures training days/weeks and even getting a hold of the hardware just to mess about with isn't exactly easy or cheap.
Do you think Google, Alexa & apple Assistance can monopolise this industry making the average DIY guy taking having no need for a specialist to install a Control4 or loxone ect ect
With KNX and Loxone you can access their hardware without having to go on their training and the programming software is available for free. The KNX free version does limit you in the amount of devices up can have in a system but works perfectly well for learning and small systems 👍
@@user_i.d I don't think that will ever happen. I think as the years go on and more people (building specifiers included) become aware of these professional systems, their benefits and realise it can be done affordably they will end up dominating the med end of the market (and obviously high end). I think they'll still be a place in the future for the off the shelf consumer products but I don't think they monopolise it... great question! 🙂
KNX is an open standard supported by 500 companies (ABB, Siemens, Schneider Electric …) , it is in more than 1M buildings and is open by design, unlike Control4 and Loxone eho have just one manufacturer behind them.
What used to be KNX’s biggest problem - the lack of a default server for visualisation and automation - has become it’s biggest strength, as you can use it with HomeAssistant, OpenHAB and ioBroker, in addition to around 50 commercial solutions.
Unlike Loxone, KNX has no single point of failure - a defective MiniServer or botched firmware update can cause the whole building to be dark for days until a replacement server is installed.
With KNX everything can be designed in a redundant, highly available architecture, with separate lines per floor and - due to the intelligence of each component - no impact of one failed device on any of the other members on the KNX bus.
So if you want to use Loxone in a reliable way - let’s say for hospitality - you should always use KNX as the infrastructure below the Loxone server.
If you use Loxone Tree, you bet the wiring of the building on the success of a single mid-sized austrian company.
I personally would never do that, given that we are talking about a 30-50y timespan.
If you want to get started with KNX, check out Torben Ledermann’s English KNX course here on UA-cam.
It might seem complicated at first, but there is beauty in KNX’s simplicity - and because you can control every device on the Byte & Bit level, you have guaranteed compatibility and long-term stability within that platform.
@@maxking3 Great comment! And I totally agree with what you're saying. I love what you said about "botched firmware update" I can't get over how they can allow this to happen! The amount of partners they must P*** OFF! I say "partners" very loosely too ... Loxone is a great product to start off with but not a reliable, commercial grade option compared to KNX.
KNX needs to be made more intuitive to use for new people entering the industry though. ETS is not user friendly at all!
Thanks for sharing mate, and I will look into that UA-cam training!
How can one gain access to control 4 and all their sensors
You'd have to become a dealer mate
I think i will look into Control4….
if you have a ton of interest from clients for video distro, touch screens, audio matrix, and basic level automation; like going to a wall and swiping tablet pages and reading switches for lighting or "automation scenes". Maybe even check out savant they have a much higher rating in the AV industry, and their switches are so much nicer than control4, like 10000x nicer lol and less reported failure.
if that's your thing I would look that direction personally. If clients are looking for a smart home 100000% loxone is the one you would want to do real automation at least in my opinion. we switched from AV to what we like to call energy focus automation and in i think 2 years we saw a 10x in work load. That being said we're in Canada, and we get cold and natural gas is pricey, but that's what my experience has been personally.
AV "smart homes" are dying and will be replaced with google and amazon since they realistically DIY smart homes can actually do more and do it cheaper, without a pro installer. They wont for years and years replace a industrial grade home BMS like loxone, smarter move would be team green.