Thanks, this was great. I'm feeding dry sugar for the first time this year and someone else said to use a paper towel. When I went out to check it a few weeks later there was paper towel shreds everywhere..what a mess. I like the wax paper idea. Thanks!!
I've got 9 of my nucs weighed in light ... yes each double nuc got weighed on a scale and recorded before pushing them together in banks .. I shimed the light ones added sugar same way ... 6 nucs I did a moisture experiment for 3 weeks letting the moisture drip on the cluster .. they built bridges into the drip with wax .. had no problems dealing with the heavy moisture.. I added 2" foam was worried about mold starting ... it's been pretty cold too .. warm front now thou
Bees have an easier time eating the candy boards but they are very time consuming to make, especially if you have many hives. The Mountain Camp Method absorbs moisture which is a huge benefit. After a short time in the hive the sugar will turn rock hard like a candy board.
We discussed this exact method today at our bee club. And the consences was. Some bees like dry sugar, and some haul it out the front door as trash. Michael Bush says to get it wet and chunked up. So. I don't know. Seems the easiest way to feed when it's cold.
It's late September, nights getting down to the high 40s. I stopped feeding syrup because I don't want the bees getting cool and damp. My colony isn't super strong; they started as a nuc in July. Is it too early to put some dry sugar on top for them to have if they need/want it?
last winter, I gave my bees straight sugar, but they didn't eat it. This year, I made fondant, and everytime I look into the hives, I see a bunch of bees on it, and it keeps getting smaller
It may be not sure. I just use what I know works. It's not worth risking my bees lives. I'd be afraid the filter would fall apart and the sugar would fall down on the cluster.
No I would not add pollen sub to the dry sugar for the winter months. Pollen will cause the bees to raise brood and when it's cold forcing them to do so could be deadly because instead of clustering to keep warm they spread out to keep brood warm.
Hey Jason was looking for your video on building the pro vap and can't find it, did you take it down? I'm building one myself, wanted to see what you did differently if anything. Thanks
Your looking too soon my friend, the video hasn't even been made yet. I am just now gathering parts.Shot me a message and we can discuss the build youtu.be/addme/07I2yDszmAiAVI9eEWwtG7svygVqMg
It does kinda matter, you don't want it too deep or it will add extra space for the bees to control. Mine are 2" deep but I have also used supers as a spacer with no issues.
It depends. I usually poke a few small holes in the paper before pouring on sugar. If you cut slits then sugar may pour to the bottom. If you let the bees make the hole in the paper usually by that point the sugar has collected moisture and is rock hard. It this case, no sugar will go through the holes made by the bees.
Candy boards are easier for the bees to consume. Bees can't eat dry sugar without having access to water of some sort. Once the dry sugar is in the hive for a few days it will start collecting moisture in the hive which will make the sugar cluster hard like candy but the bees still have a little work involved before eating it because it hasn't been heated, making the sugar inverted. The 4th paragraph on this site will explain invert sugar cdavies.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/simple-sugars-fructose-glucose-and-sucrose/ You may also read @Kevin McMahon comment on this video as he explains it very well.
I made an entire candy board: ua-cam.com/video/9rFjzmmcunk/v-deo.html but I like that spacer idea for a real quick feed........I can make candy bricks and just set them in there (instead of pouring strait granulated sugar. the difference between the candy and strait sugar (sucrose) is because of heat, it's already "inverted" partially into glucose/fructose (like honey" which it is easier for bees to consume...Sugar has to be converted by bees with enzymes into glucose/fructose. Either way, the feed acts as moisture absorber as well. I think I'll make some of these spacers! Thanks.
@Kevin McMahon You were spot on with your breakdown on sugars! 🐝🐝Nice job!🐝🐝cdavies.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/simple-sugars-fructose-glucose-and-sucrose/
The bees don't actually heat the inside of a hive like people think, it's the cluster that makes heat and stays warm. The bees on the outside of the cluster take turns rotating to the inside to warm up.
If you feed the hive sugar water at the proper time in the fall until the bees slow down or stop taking it, there should be no need to feed them sugar or fondant in the middle of the winter from my experience of keeping bees.
I agree to a point, Charles. I don't offer syrup after we have our first frost because it adds moisture to the hives. This means either open feeding or dry sugar when needed. Where are you located?
@@JCsBees I am in Maryland, near Baltimore, I think that your climate in Ohio is similar to mine and I live on a farm too we raise hay, but no animals. The way I put a deep five frame Nuc though the winter, it must be two boxes tall five frames over five frames. I find you have to have a large volume of bees and the top box acts as a honey supper for the hive. My honey flow is over by July 1, I start feeding my bees for winter stores about the first or second week after Labor day and feed them until the bees slow down or stop taking it. This year I started Sept 15 and finished up Oct 15. I haven't had them run out of food by spring yet so far. I find that a lot of new beekeepers that I talk to in my area start feeding their bees to late in the fall and the bees don't have enough time to evaporate the water content down so they can cap the sugar water. It just boggles my mind when I see people trying to feed bees in the winter, I just feel that they didn't prep the hive for winter properly. With all this said location and your local climate condition is a major factor in how you prep your hive for winter. Keep making more videos Jason they are informative.
Just the 1 cup man, I swear! lol I have a playlist of videos under 1 minute that I am trying to build up. This is the 3rd video in the series. ua-cam.com/play/PLPpU-kXaR-3dXZRoD_3LfaBT0jTM86RM4.html You wouldn't believe how hard it is to be informative and demonstrate a task under 1 minute. Then UA-cam adds endcards to the last 20 seconds of every video so you have to figure that in. Ever notice how I share a picture at the end of my videos? That's why or UA-cam would place the video cards right over the end of my videos. That picture I place there is 20 second long.😉 The crazy things video creators have to know! lol😜😂🐝🐝😉
Thanks, this was great. I'm feeding dry sugar for the first time this year and someone else said to use a paper towel. When I went out to check it a few weeks later there was paper towel shreds everywhere..what a mess. I like the wax paper idea. Thanks!!
I never heard of using a paper towel. I can see how that would be a mess in no time. I think you will like the wax paper much better.
I've got 9 of my nucs weighed in light ... yes each double nuc got weighed on a scale and recorded before pushing them together in banks .. I shimed the light ones added sugar same way ... 6 nucs I did a moisture experiment for 3 weeks letting the moisture drip on the cluster .. they built bridges into the drip with wax .. had no problems dealing with the heavy moisture.. I added 2" foam was worried about mold starting ... it's been pretty cold too .. warm front now thou
LOL speed feeding sugar lol loved it Jason
Yes! Short, Sweet, To The Point, Done Simply and Correctly I ❤ it's Sped Up! Yes! (Now I can go outside, too!)
love it! short and sweet!!! ya wonder why so many spend hours making fondant and baking, molding instead of mountain camp??
Bees have an easier time eating the candy boards but they are very time consuming to make, especially if you have many hives. The Mountain Camp Method absorbs moisture which is a huge benefit. After a short time in the hive the sugar will turn rock hard like a candy board.
@@JCsBees thats what ive seen also. Why do we want to make is so complicated? Merry Christmas Jason!
natserog works great serves as double duty absorbing moisture as well as feeding bees...
again great video and quick, I cant wait for the video on the pro vaporizer.
I am hoping to do the vaporizer video by the end of February.
We discussed this exact method today at our bee club.
And the consences was.
Some bees like dry sugar, and some haul it out the front door as trash.
Michael Bush says to get it wet and chunked up. So. I don't know.
Seems the easiest way to feed when it's cold.
It's late September, nights getting down to the high 40s. I stopped feeding syrup because I don't want the bees getting cool and damp. My colony isn't super strong; they started as a nuc in July. Is it too early to put some dry sugar on top for them to have if they need/want it?
last winter, I gave my bees straight sugar, but they didn't eat it. This year, I made fondant, and everytime I look into the hives, I see a bunch of bees on it, and it keeps getting smaller
That's very strange. I haven't had any issues feeding sugar. Glad you are seeing results though.
Hey Jason....what about using large coffee filters instead of newspaper or waxed paper. Wouldn't that be better for absorbing moisture? --thanks
It may be not sure. I just use what I know works. It's not worth risking my bees lives. I'd be afraid the filter would fall apart and the sugar would fall down on the cluster.
First year guy here. I'm planning to use this method. Would it be a good idea to mix pollen substitute in with the sugar?
No I would not add pollen sub to the dry sugar for the winter months. Pollen will cause the bees to raise brood and when it's cold forcing them to do so could be deadly because instead of clustering to keep warm they spread out to keep brood warm.
Hey Jason was looking for your video on building the pro vap and can't find it, did you take it down? I'm building one myself, wanted to see what you did differently if anything.
Thanks
Your looking too soon my friend, the video hasn't even been made yet. I am just now gathering parts.Shot me a message and we can discuss the build youtu.be/addme/07I2yDszmAiAVI9eEWwtG7svygVqMg
hey jason....using wax paper you put slits in it. Do the bees chew the wax paper up over time? just leave it in there? --thanks
Yes. I leave the paper and add more if needed to hold more sugar.
Does it matter Jason how wide the spacers are during the winter. Is 2 to 4 inches fine?
It does kinda matter, you don't want it too deep or it will add extra space for the bees to control. Mine are 2" deep but I have also used supers as a spacer with no issues.
51° upstate N.Y. bees are going crazy, all 7 hives♡♡♡
I think if it stay warm we are going to be feeding a lot this winter, it need so get cold and stay cold. Besides I am sick of the mud.
Jason, Will a lot of sugar fall to the bottom of the hive when the bees make a hole in the paper??
It depends. I usually poke a few small holes in the paper before pouring on sugar. If you cut slits then sugar may pour to the bottom. If you let the bees make the hole in the paper usually by that point the sugar has collected moisture and is rock hard. It this case, no sugar will go through the holes made by the bees.
@@JCsBees Thanks, that makes sense
Jason i wonder if we can give them granulated sugar why so many beekepers spend hours doing candy sugars?
Candy boards are easier for the bees to consume. Bees can't eat dry sugar without having access to water of some sort. Once the dry sugar is in the hive for a few days it will start collecting moisture in the hive which will make the sugar cluster hard like candy but the bees still have a little work involved before eating it because it hasn't been heated, making the sugar inverted. The 4th paragraph on this site will explain invert sugar cdavies.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/simple-sugars-fructose-glucose-and-sucrose/
You may also read @Kevin McMahon comment on this video as he explains it very well.
dig on the feeding spacer....my feed takes a WHOLE lot longer! lol...
Do you not use the spacer?
I made an entire candy board: ua-cam.com/video/9rFjzmmcunk/v-deo.html
but I like that spacer idea for a real quick feed........I can make candy bricks and just set them in there (instead of pouring strait granulated sugar.
the difference between the candy and strait sugar (sucrose) is because of heat, it's already "inverted" partially into glucose/fructose (like honey" which it is easier for bees to consume...Sugar has to be converted by bees with enzymes into glucose/fructose. Either way, the feed acts as moisture absorber as well.
I think I'll make some of these spacers! Thanks.
One of the big benefits to Mountain Camp is that is adsorbs moisture in the hive plus it's very fast compared to making candy boards.
@Kevin McMahon You were spot on with your breakdown on sugars! 🐝🐝Nice job!🐝🐝cdavies.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/simple-sugars-fructose-glucose-and-sucrose/
You don’t worry about them having to heat all the empty space if you use an empty box?
The bees don't actually heat the inside of a hive like people think, it's the cluster that makes heat and stays warm. The bees on the outside of the cluster take turns rotating to the inside to warm up.
@@JCsBees thanks for the reply on an older video. I'm prepping my first hive and hoping for a strong winter so I can split early next spring.
If you feed the hive sugar water at the proper time in the fall until the bees slow down or stop taking it, there should be no need to feed them sugar or fondant in the middle of the winter from my experience of keeping bees.
I agree to a point, Charles. I don't offer syrup after we have our first frost because it adds moisture to the hives. This means either open feeding or dry sugar when needed.
Where are you located?
@@JCsBees I am in Maryland, near Baltimore, I think that your climate in Ohio is similar to mine and I live on a farm too we raise hay, but no animals. The way I put a deep five frame Nuc though the winter, it must be two boxes tall five frames over five frames. I find you have to have a large volume of bees and the top box acts as a honey supper for the hive. My honey flow is over by July 1, I start feeding my bees for winter stores about the first or second week after Labor day and feed them until the bees slow down or stop taking it. This year I started Sept 15 and finished up Oct 15. I haven't had them run out of food by spring yet so far. I find that a lot of new beekeepers that I talk to in my area start feeding their bees to late in the fall and the bees don't have enough time to evaporate the water content down so they can cap the sugar water. It just boggles my mind when I see people trying to feed bees in the winter, I just feel that they didn't prep the hive for winter properly. With all this said location and your local climate condition is a major factor in how you prep your hive for winter. Keep making more videos Jason they are informative.
If you have a fall drought with nothing to build up stores, They live on part of the sugar water. They have to have a supplement of dry sugar.
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How much coffee did you drink brother? 😂😂
Just the 1 cup man, I swear! lol I have a playlist of videos under 1 minute that I am trying to build up. This is the 3rd video in the series. ua-cam.com/play/PLPpU-kXaR-3dXZRoD_3LfaBT0jTM86RM4.html You wouldn't believe how hard it is to be informative and demonstrate a task under 1 minute. Then UA-cam adds endcards to the last 20 seconds of every video so you have to figure that in. Ever notice how I share a picture at the end of my videos? That's why or UA-cam would place the video cards right over the end of my videos. That picture I place there is 20 second long.😉 The crazy things video creators have to know! lol😜😂🐝🐝😉
Jason Chrisman that’s worse than a third full time job. 🤓