I mean, there is a playable game now, it just isn't done yet. It feels a bit like early access, currently. Part of the issue is that they don't have a publisher forcing deadlines on them.
They really need to do a new one of these videos. Would be nice to see a video going over the most popular H.O.T.A.S. and H.O.S.A.S. products and setups. We are really seeing a boost in popularity with the flight sim genre, I can see it being very informative and helpful.
@@zerellix the 1600 is literally famous for having a twist axis that always and inevitably breaks. Something like the X56 cannot and is not worse than it. I would know, own both.
Elite dangerous + oculous rift + joystick is amazing. Played for 4 hours, felt like 1. The many controls took a second but once I got them down I was completely immersed.
thats not good this and "this game is addictive" not good how would you feel if you wanted to watch a movie but after it ended it feels like "What? Its been 3hrs? that barely felt like 10mins stitched together? wtf happened to my time?"
@@dr.philoffishal4205 hes saying its bad that 4 hours felt like 1 because he was having fun (Youre not supposed to have a happy life full of experiences)
the sheer scope of the game takes time to get right and so far that is what they are doing instead of rushing things and making it look and/or feel like crap
Late to the party, but this HOTAS is great in VR. You can find your way around the buttons buttons buttons buttons pretty easily. Only downside is when you forget which button is the cargo hatch and drop shields for silent running. Then can't remember what you pressed. :D
Honestly, I think the price-to-quality comparisons for most flight sim related products is simply because it's a niche market with low demand... and companies want to see an ROI sooner than later.
Some people are buying these for games like Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous (space sims) which have no rudder controls. I know I would if I could afford it.
As a note about the quality of the X-55. My first one had to be RMAd because the stick stopped talking to the base randomly one day. The replacement served me well for several years ( 3000+ hours of elite dangerous + some BF4, X series games, and even a bit of Star citizen Alpha)
People who make hyper-critical, drive-by comments (non-subscribers) usually fail to consider 2 critical components of LTT reviews: 1) The target audience, or "P1" as we say in radio, is likely the general tech consumer. 2) The price of the product reviewed. They'll comment "I'm a hardcore professional flight simmer/pilot and this stick is garbage compared to product X. This is a bad review. Rabblerabblerabble!" Good for you. You represent the lowest point of the general consumer Bell Curve, and further, your "Product X" cost twice, thrice, or even several times more. "This 1999 Honda Civic is garbage because my 2015 Bentley is wonderful!" Just take a grain of salt when reading these types of comments.
Having bolt-through holes is a godsend! And although you mentioned having a lead base (good luck with that concept in anti-lead America), you could easily make one in a DIY project. I'd use a wider base of plywood with the central cavity filled with sand. Sand is universally used in many lamps as a cheap filler for adding base weight at a nominal cost.
as a big flight sim user myself I used to use a sidestick or joystick but am now using a yoke instead of the sidestick because of the build quality of the sidestick and overall usability
Yup lol ..But i had the Thrustmaster the Throttle was great ...It was the joystick that snapped at the base when i twisted right to left for rudder control Inside was 4 screws that held down the stick into the base..The plastic around it was thin and it cracked ....They told me bring it to the seller..seller said after 30 days ..sorry ...Would i spend $200 for this one and wait 38 days to see what happens? hell no lol
Linus mentions how light the units are about 2:30 in and wishes there were plates in it to make it feel heavier. Little did he realize the literally did just that in the form of 6 steel plates that are about 1/8" thick in each base. He also unfortunately didn't dig too deeply into the actual hardware and manufacturing aspect of it in which he would have seen 22 gauge wires soldered in with the worst blobs ever applied by chinese child hands and held down by painter's masking tape. I wonder if he ever posted a follow up review for this stating how fast they fell apart.
I've been a flight simmer for about 28 years. I owned allot of joysticks but they more or less have the same in common they become unprecise after 6 month - 12 month of usage.!!!! The logitech 940, x55, x56, x56pro ect all become unprecise within 6-12 month usage, but they are cheap and nice to use though but really annoying they build them with so little quality. About 2 years ago i bought a virpil base+joystick and trottle.. Here 2 years later with hundreds of houres usage they are still 100% precise. What i learned. When i look back on all the joysticks ive had + other i dident mention, then my best buy was a quality joystick from Virpil due to the sensors and quality of the parts inside the joystick. I do admit the plastic joystick handle + the buttons feel cheap, but all other things work perfect.. no broken buttons, and 100% precise all the time. The negative is the software/firmware that you really only want to touch one time and never thouch again in fear of it changing the joystick button layout so you have to reprogram you +10 planes/helis in dcs again.. Lessons learned..: If you are interested in flight sims and like them in general. I highly recommend to buy a quality joytick like VKB or Virpil in that price range. YES they are expensive, but in my oppinion its cheaper than buying a new joystick every 1-2 years becourse they are worn out and unprecise. I expect my virpil to still be precise in 10 years from now since the internal hardware is build strong and not cheap. ps.. even with a cheap joystick that is very unprecise you can air refuel in any plane in DCS world. Its all about training and some skill. Just saying you dont need expensive gear to have fun, For casual gamers i recommend a cheap 20-30 usd flight joystick with a trust handle, and rudder when you twist the joystick and a 5-10 buttons. ;-)
The problem I have with peripherals like these is that I typically have the desire to play a game and then get bored an hour later. With a keyboard and mouse, or even a controller, it doesn't matter since it can be used for whatever I do next. But joysticks and steering wheels take time to set up and put away.
My Thrustmaster Warthog is currently sitting on my desk. If I want to play, I just move them into position, put on my TrackIR clip, fire up the TrackIR software, and start the game. It's slightly more setup time, but it is definitely worth it.
Well that's where you make the jump, you either casual with the peripherals, (like your example), or you get on the enthusiast level that these products are made for
Casual Alien You are not the market. I'm same when it comes to joysticks, but there are plenty of people that just generally adore flight simulators. Be it whatever variety. For them it makes sense. I was same with racing games for 4 years and the 200 euros steering wheel easily paid itself back.
Yeah, i know the feeling. Setting up a flight stick by moving it from the shelf and plugging in the USB is 10 seconds too long of a setup for me to play x-Wing/TIE Fighter and X3 Terran Conflict. Too much, too much.
@@User-xw6kd bad purchase if it was bad quality for 2015 i have no idea what possessed me to buy it in 2020 lmfao. stay away people buy yourself a thrustmaster and save $100. People are drawn to this because of the rgb lighting behind the buttons and yeah that is the only good point imo
You needed to play a game with aircraft and aerodynamics unlike elite dangerous. Like warthunder. You see elite dangerous is in space where resting point and accuracy is harder to notice than in a flight sim using earth like aerodynamics
+Jabir kuptar Hardly. The ergonomics are nothing like what real pilots have. Ralfidude made a good video explaining the x55's poor ergonomics, but basically a real HOTAS must have every control within easy reach without stretching or straining while the controls (especially critical ones such as guns or weapon release) are heavy and difficult to accidentally operate.
I use a Thrustmaster HOTAS X in Elite...works great! All you need! I use the paddle on the throttle as a shift, and have it attached to foam board to keep it in place.
Chef Mike yep buy you save 200 buying the warthog since you will most likely upgrade anyway and the x55 is horribly uncomfortable with awful button placement and shape...you cant possibly know the difference until you have tried out a warthog for yourself...had mine 3 years and the action is still buttery smooth
what about the thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS for a more budget option? heard it has good accuracy but it looks a bit "gamey" which makes me doubt it a bit. :D
You must not have ever seen a suncom HOTAS. It was modeled off a real F-15 flight stick and throttle quadrant. It also had a built in keyboard emulator... I was a vendor and still have a bunch of them I have converted a couple to use in simcockpits. They are really nice. Haven't played with anything that feels like them.
I used to have the older version of this Saitek controller setup. Made playing Flight Simulator X incredible, even got used to it for Star Wars Galaxies with the space combat. Kinda regret selling it all those years ago.
I refuse to buy any joysticks until the farce that is force feedback is sorted out. 15 years ago I purchased a force feedback MS Sidewider joystick with a gameport plug. It was fantastic, but when I looked into buying a new joystick 6 months ago, none of them have FF, not even the most expensive most premium offerings. I understand it has something to do with patents, but frankly they just need to sort their shit out and make it happen.
FF is not realistic, most modern fighter and commercial jets use a flybywire system. The idea is that the pilot's interactions are translated into hydraulic systems, the pilot doesn't get feedback, so FF would be unrealistic.
qmaster321 That's not totally true, real aircraft actually use some force feedback. So if anything it's even more realistic because it's just as fake as the feedback pilots get. Not all aircraft have this feature, but Boeing use it. It would also be useful when flying older aircraft. Plus, it's just more fun!
Lufferov "Not all aircraft have this feature, but Boeing use it." Boeing doesn't use control sticks, they use yokes. Also, the Boeing setup is so specific that it requires a precise software-hardware match to get the proper behavior (resistance against inducing high pitch/bank angle, stick shaker at stall, etc.) and you won't get that in consumer-grade, no matter what you do. But if you really want the authentic feel, maybe talk to these guys: www.flypfc.com/?/products/yokes/jetliner-column-yoke-boeing-737/
totoritko Where did I say that they used sticks? I was quite clearly talking about force feedback! Obviously you'd never match the behaviour of the real thing, do you think I'm an idiot? It's a simulator, so you would simulate the experience. I play a lot of driving games with a wheel (T500RS), obviously the wheel is nothing like driving a real car. But the feedback adds to the experience and does help to control the vehicle because you can feel the grip etc.. I'm not looking for a flight stick specifically, I want a force feedback joystick I can use in flight game such as Elite Dangerous among others.
Holy cow that's the Thrust master I need with more buttons. I have a hotas 4 but I just now figured out a controller needs drivers which is crazy but I'm glad I got it working right.
And they used non-standard country codes for some of them :D For example Finland "FN" while it should be "FI". They used wrong flags for some countries and random country codes for some countries :D Who ever did that GUI, must have dropped out of school. :D
I booted up the software and i think i know whats the issue is here. They have a standard flag dimension for each button. Using vertical flags would stretch them out. Its probably a design choice.
Linus, I'm more worried about the durability. I heards loads of people stating that after around 3 months the stick buttons stop working or other dials.
I've had mine since release without issue and I use it daily. It comes with a warranty also, if I remember right the warranty is for 2 years. That was the deciding factor in buying it. I figured if it broke I'd just get a new one once they get their shit together.
Gungriffen Don't, just don't put the warranty as a plus, not at all. So, sooo many stories of Saitek atrocious costumer support. Do a research, its not only about the stick, they don't answer or take ages to answer when you contact them. They can send you a worse re-furbished product instead of one in good condition. I had a RAT.5 mouse from Saitek, 3 months and the left button stopped working. I'm extremely prudent about buying from this company that seem all about profits.
True, but Saitek gets away with it because who else makes high quality HOTAS joysticks :( No competition, if someone was to come along and make something to compete I would switch over but right now the options are buy a saitek or deal without a HOTAS joystick :(
that is one of my biggest things with flight sticks is the weight of the base. you need something that isn't going to be moving around when you use it. suction cups, clamps are a few ways to offset that, but if you actually feel the flight stick bend as you move the stick shouldn't be an issue if it is well designed
im watching this on my second monitor while using this exact joystick to fly around in X4. pretty sweet! also worth to mention, there were some quality control issues in general. this was because when they released this stick. shortly after saitek was bought by another company. (i believe Logitech) the X-55 was the only Saitek product i used. when this review came out, but since ive bought a few more things from them, mainly rudder pedals, and 2 screens (the radio box, and instrument LCD) no complaints.
I've had one of these for a number of years and I haven't used it for close to half the time I've owned it. This is a notoriously bad HOTAS with numerous software bugs, power issues and ghost inputs among other things. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
Still sporting the Saitek X45 which works in Windows 10 regardless of what ppl cry about on the forums. Saitek was the goto for pro use sticks back in the late 90's and 2000's. Logitech owns them now and basically released a direct rebrand Saitek as their own shortly after taking over with the X56 which believe it or not is a great unit however the Quality is much lower.
I own the Thrustmaster HOTAS stick only and i can tell you its a quality piece. very heavy and from what i understand its an exact replica of the A-10 Thunderbolt controls. yes its crazy expensive.
I'll never buy a saitek product ever again. The quality is piss poor,and the quality control is close to 0.Don't get me wrong there was a time where i loved saitek products,but after 2007 (when Madcatz bought them) it was clear as day that Saitek's department was the one that suffered from it. And it showed off in their products. Yes the warthog cost twice as much,but it's also twice as much the product. If you go on the saitek forums you see complaints after complaints. And negative reviews comes in bucket loads. If you thinking of buying a saitek product to save some money,think it through THOROUGHLY. Cause the chances are you will regret your decision afterwards,and you might not be so lucky to get a refund.
No issues here with my 55.. but thats because i was smart enough to buy after the defect batch... and even if itl brake down in 3 years.. i still have factory warranty(issued by dutch law) so yha.
Saitek quality is .. variable. I bought their Cessna yoke, and it was pretty nasty, with lots of sticking going on and a cheap feel that, for a 'cessna sponsored' product felt disappointing. I sent it back, Amazon were cool enough to refund immediately. On the other hand, I also have the Saitek combat rudders which are NICE. Solid metal pedals, smooth movement, accurate, no problems at all. I also have the throttle quadrant and trim wheel which though a bit plasticky, do the job OK and have a nice modularity which makes mounting pretty easy. That said, my Warthog is just light years ahead in every way. Its only down side is the slight sticking you get if you hang your hand off it, e.g. if you have it on a desk. But the metal shaft, solid machining, super smooth operation, nice heavy throttle, endless buttons, and perfect replica-ness of the relevant bits of an A-10 just make it THE stick to go for. If you can save up, then do it and get it. It will bring you years of flying pleasure.
Joy sticks are weird. Logitech 3d extreme $30 T.Master T-flight $45 X52 $150 x55 $300 Warthog $500 Can ya spot any price gaps? not to mention I wouldn't buy a used joy stick
chase speer You forgot to mention the 110 dollar T16000m or the 99 dollar VKB gladiator the 250 dollar VKB gladiator MCG. There is a price gap because you only wrote 5 different joysticks. (Also the X52 is 90 USD and the Warthog is 450 USD)
I have the X56 which is very simular but its heavier then the 55 and better plastic. Also I got mine used that is referbished from Amazon and have no complaints at all. Even used its far better then anything else I have ever had. I use it not only for Flight sims but for other sims that I play and it works well for all of them. and Yes OMG buttons.
That's an issue with power delivery over USB. It's annoying yes, but you can potentially fix it by switch USB ports. Especially if you happen to be using one of the front USB ports. Switch it to the back.
I'm an Airbus pilot! If you positioned the stick better, and positioned an armrest so you could make fine adjustments to attitude (check out a modern Airbus flight deck) you'd be much more comfortable. Is seems to me that your stick is a little too high, hence the wrist discomfort. Which isn't an easy fix when you can't mount the thing to the floor if you want a centre stick... Love the video.
That throttle in the video looks more fun than the joystick xD My first and still only joystick was/is the Trust Predator GM-2500 (with suction cups as feets), and the first game (with it) was Hawx, works like a charm. But since it's my only one, nothing to compare to, I'd say it was fun and definitely got the job done. (I never installed "extra" drivers, only used plug N play... not sure there were/are any "extra" drivers though). (I also had fun with it and DirectInput8 much later, polling data from it and applied it in my own little space game).
CMDR Linus, you called the market with this one. good job and on the review. would love to see maybe another favorite or best in class throttle/joystick review. also, I'm super happy to see you actually enjoy E:D? hope to see you out there in the black!
I got to chance to visit delta airlines repair and maintenance facility. I naturally ran over to the A320 and immediately went to work on the side stick. NOTHING LIKE WHAT WE HAVE. NO CONTROL EVEN COMES CLOSE. AND WHEN THEY ACTUALLY TURN ON THE AUX UNIT SND THE SIDE STICK BECOMES ALIVE ITS INCREDIBLE PERCISE AND HAS A SMOOTH AND THICK FEELING. LIKE YOU TOOK A SPOON AND STUCK IT IN A JAR OF HONEY.
i have velcro under my keyboard so when i slide it back i can velcro accessories in the correct spot, its hidden and a very good way to have my wheel mount on safer and my flight sticks. its a bit of a pain to peel off and replace, but if your careful and have a decent desk, it isnt that big of a deal..
i've been using mine for about 3 years now and honestly it's still a rush jumping onto elite and just warping my hands round the controls, the only bit of advice i'd give if you do want to get one is make sure you have some petroleum jelly because after a few months you will notice a squeak coming from the flight stick where the top of the ball rubs against the plastic sleeve on top. but it's a simple fix. the throttle has had no issues for me whatsoever the only thing i've had to do is occasionally re-tension it but that is the only thing. also I use this in arma 3 and again find it so much easier than keyboard and mouse.
You want a good stick? Get a Logitech ATTACK3. It's what I have, and I don't need yaw pedals (it has yaw buttons) or throttle, and it's ambidextrous. Not to mention the trigger, four thumb buttons, and six offhand buttons. I like to use 1 (trigger) for brakes, 2 for gear, 3 for ag10 (action group 10, aka my missiles), 4 and 5 for yaw left and right, respectively, 6 for ag1 (afterburners), 7 for ag2 (toggle thrust), 8 for reaction control, 9 for stability assist, 10 for ladder toggle, and 11 for flaps.
Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 is still the best thing MS ever made. I miss mine but the PSU blew up. The X52 is a good replacement but it's not the same.
"with star citizen coming out eventually" - watching this in 2020
lol i got that too.
lobotomised same
hey it is playable now!
i was straight up about to comment the same thing (2 weeks after your comment) only to see that it was already done for me. here take my up vote! haha
I mean, there is a playable game now, it just isn't done yet.
It feels a bit like early access, currently.
Part of the issue is that they don't have a publisher forcing deadlines on them.
3:15 I like how the Italian language option has a Hungarian flag on it...
I'm ashamed
Harry went against a Hungarian Horntail.
Doesn't look like that to me, that looks more like an intern crying over losing his job because of a stupid mistake.
3:15 I like how the French language option has the flag of the netherland on it...
@@cyb3rko yes french
You forgot to talk about the buttons.
Button?
button...
_B_ _U_ _T_ _T_ _O_ _N_ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Buttons!
TheCheeseSlicers is
They really need to do a new one of these videos. Would be nice to see a video going over the most popular H.O.T.A.S. and H.O.S.A.S. products and setups. We are really seeing a boost in popularity with the flight sim genre, I can see it being very informative and helpful.
Top tier: Virpil
Tier 1: VKB
Tier 2: Warthog
Tier 3: trustmastsr 1600
Tier breaks on use: Logitech
@@zerellix the 1600 is literally famous for having a twist axis that always and inevitably breaks. Something like the X56 cannot and is not worse than it. I would know, own both.
Elite dangerous + oculous rift + joystick is amazing.
Played for 4 hours, felt like 1.
The many controls took a second but once I got them down I was completely immersed.
thats not good
this and "this game is addictive"
not good
how would you feel if you wanted to watch a movie but after it ended it feels like "What? Its been 3hrs? that barely felt like 10mins stitched together? wtf happened to my time?"
@@genericyoutubeusername6462 huh?
@@dr.philoffishal4205 hes saying its bad that 4 hours felt like 1 because he was having fun (Youre not supposed to have a happy life full of experiences)
@@aspodermousstoplight100 Ik what he said I just didn’t care
@@genericyoutubeusername6462 this feel so so sarcastic yet not so
“With star citizen coming... hopefully” if only he knew it’d be a little while longer
"A little while longer" if only he knew it'd be a couple more years 😂
Meanwhile in 2021
We have... Uh... Gas? We have fancy gas clouds
(Please help i have an addiction)
6 years later and still no sign of a full release. Absolute joke! Probably the biggest daylight robberies / frauds carried out in the 21st Century
@@gregoryashton people like you are why mute buttons exist
@@Mysterious_RSA Okay boot licker. I guess you’re one of the losers that bought into Star Citizen then 😂
nearly 3 years later and star citizen is still not "out"
TheTacoSniper
It wont be until 2025
I have the game its still has alot of bugs and its poorly optimised but its getting there.
the sheer scope of the game takes time to get right and so far that is what they are doing instead of rushing things and making it look and/or feel like crap
Squadron 42 will be releases. Eventually.
Might be because while CR is has an amazing dream, he has no clue about managing a modern programming environment for an mmo?
They're gonna wait until we have actual spaceships for more realistic modeling.
200 dollars is expensive? Have you seen racing wheels?
Lmao yeah, the thrustmasters cost at least 1000$
000 McKing I bought my thrustmaster wheel for 400€ a few years ago.
000 McKing No thrustmaster is 1000$ fanatec wheels are upwards of 2000$ and then you get into direct drive wheels in the 10000$ range.
Bryan Norris Just get a fucking car at this point
Funny; the Thrustmaster TMX Force Feeback wheel and pedals set is only $197. That seems a far cry from "at least $1,000"
Recently just upgraded to an X-56 after about 10 years of DCS with X-55. Great bit of kit!
Late to the party, but this HOTAS is great in VR. You can find your way around the buttons buttons buttons buttons pretty easily. Only downside is when you forget which button is the cargo hatch and drop shields for silent running. Then can't remember what you pressed. :D
3:14 did someone at Saitek really confuse Hungary's flag with the italian one..?
LOL
no, the italian flag has vertical stripes
Same for the french flag, I think that says a lot about the company lol.
Im happy because you noticed that also. Im hungarian so i noticed immediately :DD
Gergő Fülöp agreed
Honestly, I think the price-to-quality comparisons for most flight sim related products is simply because it's a niche market with low demand... and companies want to see an ROI sooner than later.
3:13 Displaying hungarian flag with IT (Italian) written underneath it... You just know you are dealing with a professional :D
I'm from the year 2115 and Star Citizen is coming out next year, I'm so excited!
>Buys a serious simulator joystick for simulator games
>Wishes there was a rudder lock for games who don't have rudder controls(HAH)
Some people are buying these for games like Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous (space sims) which have no rudder controls. I know I would if I could afford it.
Teoras1 you can twist the stick for rudder control
ED doesn't have a rudder but it does have yaw control. which by default is mapped to twisting the joystick. (I have an X52 and play ED on occasion.)
Uhh... I know that? lol
Sorry my comment was for DaemosDaen, his comment seems to imply he is not aware of that.
Oh boy, if you're doing this, you got to do the warthog! Review and comparison requested!!!!
Comparing the two is just unfair although I would love a review of it too.
Son of a Zombie No, my mom doesn't play Halo.
Son of a Zombie love to see yours though..
Íf you have a warthog, then you have to buy pedals... the saitek is better for games like elite dangerous etc etc
He said on Instagram they are.
woah Linus killed someone in Elite Dangerous ON NON GIMBALLED LAZORS
Xion Heart never heard of it
He said Elite Dangerous, I subscribed
IN A SIDEWINDER!!!
Combat tutorial.... Cringe.
Must’ve been the tutorial
Me: woh Linus did a flight sim 2020 review
My UA-cam recommended: I see you like simulators
I thought this was a new video but I was wrong
Dude, I easily get irritated with people talking and talking. You are very easy to listen to. Awesome. I like your style. Bigup.
As a note about the quality of the X-55. My first one had to be RMAd because the stick stopped talking to the base randomly one day. The replacement served me well for several years ( 3000+ hours of elite dangerous + some BF4, X series games, and even a bit of Star citizen Alpha)
This would be great for ArmA 3
Jeremy Dousset It is.
Jeremy Dousset was looking for feedback on that :)
ye, flying is a pain in arma without a joystick sometimes
yeah just what you say, with like 300 keybinds in settings, this will help you out pretty darn far XD
My brother has this for ArmA, he's almost an ace pilot...
People who make hyper-critical, drive-by comments (non-subscribers) usually fail to consider 2 critical components of LTT reviews:
1) The target audience, or "P1" as we say in radio, is likely the general tech consumer.
2) The price of the product reviewed.
They'll comment "I'm a hardcore professional flight simmer/pilot and this stick is garbage compared to product X. This is a bad review. Rabblerabblerabble!"
Good for you. You represent the lowest point of the general consumer Bell Curve, and further, your "Product X" cost twice, thrice, or even several times more.
"This 1999 Honda Civic is garbage because my 2015 Bentley is wonderful!"
Just take a grain of salt when reading these types of comments.
I came a little when the video showed Linus's Elite Dangerous setup
Nice pfp.
Having bolt-through holes is a godsend! And although you mentioned having a lead base (good luck with that concept in anti-lead America), you could easily make one in a DIY project. I'd use a wider base of plywood with the central cavity filled with sand. Sand is universally used in many lamps as a cheap filler for adding base weight at a nominal cost.
as a big flight sim user myself I used to use a sidestick or joystick but am now using a yoke instead of the sidestick because of the build quality of the sidestick and overall usability
I love how I'm watching this is 2018 and we're STILL waiting to see when Star Citizen is going to release! XD
Yup lol ..But i had the Thrustmaster the Throttle was great ...It was the joystick that snapped at the base when i twisted right to left for rudder control Inside was 4 screws that held down the stick into the base..The plastic around it was thin and it cracked ....They told me bring it to the seller..seller said after 30 days ..sorry ...Would i spend $200 for this one and wait 38 days to see what happens? hell no lol
Because that game is over hyped
StudlyRuddly its 2019 and it isnt techincally out
And it's now 2026 and we're still waiting for SC to release......(just an educated guess😆)
Linus mentions how light the units are about 2:30 in and wishes there were plates in it to make it feel heavier. Little did he realize the literally did just that in the form of 6 steel plates that are about 1/8" thick in each base. He also unfortunately didn't dig too deeply into the actual hardware and manufacturing aspect of it in which he would have seen 22 gauge wires soldered in with the worst blobs ever applied by chinese child hands and held down by painter's masking tape. I wonder if he ever posted a follow up review for this stating how fast they fell apart.
2015:"star citizen coming eventually"
2019: nope still not out yet and not said to be coming soon 😂
Grey Goose it’s out
@@alol441 It's not...
I've been a flight simmer for about 28 years. I owned allot of joysticks but they more or less have the same in common they become unprecise after 6 month - 12 month of usage.!!!!
The logitech 940, x55, x56, x56pro ect all become unprecise within 6-12 month usage, but they are cheap and nice to use though but really annoying they build them with so little quality.
About 2 years ago i bought a virpil base+joystick and trottle.. Here 2 years later with hundreds of houres usage they are still 100% precise.
What i learned. When i look back on all the joysticks ive had + other i dident mention, then my best buy was a quality joystick from Virpil due to the sensors and quality of the parts inside the joystick.
I do admit the plastic joystick handle + the buttons feel cheap, but all other things work perfect.. no broken buttons, and 100% precise all the time.
The negative is the software/firmware that you really only want to touch one time and never thouch again in fear of it changing the joystick button layout so you have to reprogram you +10 planes/helis in dcs again..
Lessons learned..: If you are interested in flight sims and like them in general. I highly recommend to buy a quality joytick like VKB or Virpil in that price range.
YES they are expensive, but in my oppinion its cheaper than buying a new joystick every 1-2 years becourse they are worn out and unprecise.
I expect my virpil to still be precise in 10 years from now since the internal hardware is build strong and not cheap.
ps.. even with a cheap joystick that is very unprecise you can air refuel in any plane in DCS world. Its all about training and some skill. Just saying you dont need expensive gear to have fun,
For casual gamers i recommend a cheap 20-30 usd flight joystick with a trust handle, and rudder when you twist the joystick and a 5-10 buttons. ;-)
With the foot peddles in the thumb nail reminds me alot of my old Xbox game
Steel battalion. Yep I was there and my jar-c was king online.
Good times
I have this love it but i suck with it soooo bad
At life?
Kit Emett haha you're so funny! :'D
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The problem I have with peripherals like these is that I typically have the desire to play a game and then get bored an hour later. With a keyboard and mouse, or even a controller, it doesn't matter since it can be used for whatever I do next. But joysticks and steering wheels take time to set up and put away.
a flight stick is a breeze to move compared to a steering wheel setup
My Thrustmaster Warthog is currently sitting on my desk. If I want to play, I just move them into position, put on my TrackIR clip, fire up the TrackIR software, and start the game. It's slightly more setup time, but it is definitely worth it.
Well that's where you make the jump, you either casual with the peripherals, (like your example), or you get on the enthusiast level that these products are made for
Casual Alien You are not the market. I'm same when it comes to joysticks, but there are plenty of people that just generally adore flight simulators. Be it whatever variety. For them it makes sense.
I was same with racing games for 4 years and the 200 euros steering wheel easily paid itself back.
Yeah, i know the feeling. Setting up a flight stick by moving it from the shelf and plugging in the USB is 10 seconds too long of a setup for me to play x-Wing/TIE Fighter and X3 Terran Conflict. Too much, too much.
Bought this hotas 5 years ago (insert star citizen joke here) and it still perform like its brand new. I love it (my 1st ever hotas)
Attach adhesive Velcro strips to the controls and your desktop. Works very well as you can remove the controls when you don't need them.
“with Microsoft flight simulator coming out soon” watching this in 2020
Watching this while all HOTAS are sold out.
Well yeah it's out.
@@User-xw6kd bad purchase if it was bad quality for 2015 i have no idea what possessed me to buy it in 2020 lmfao. stay away people buy yourself a thrustmaster and save $100. People are drawn to this because of the rgb lighting behind the buttons and yeah that is the only good point imo
Luckily the demand for any hotas allowed me to profit on my purchase and the person i sold it too has already re-sold haha
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 4K 400+FPS Shadowplay ua-cam.com/video/4UL__y_xic8/v-deo.html
You needed to play a game with aircraft and aerodynamics unlike elite dangerous. Like warthunder. You see elite dangerous is in space where resting point and accuracy is harder to notice than in a flight sim using earth like aerodynamics
Warthunder is hardly a flight sim.
Lennoxonnell Play on simulation mode and then say that. It's not the best but it's a damn good flight sim if you want it to be.
xCRUCiOx it's not bro. Just try out the a-10c in dcs:world once and you'll understand warthunder isn't a flight sim in any way
Blitzplayer01 - That's like saying Project Cars isn't a racing sim because Assetto Corsa is a better one.
xCRUCiOx I guess it depends on who you ask. Since the difference between a sim and a game is kinda vague.
Linus u have to take it into consideration with the buttons as the two items replicate what a real fighter pilots have
+Suv call of duty-gta5-and more Not with ergonomics they don't.
+Ca11MeKARMA yea butbits suposed to replicate what pilots have to go through
Suv call of duty-gta5-and more Go through what?
+Jabir kuptar Hardly. The ergonomics are nothing like what real pilots have. Ralfidude made a good video explaining the x55's poor ergonomics, but basically a real HOTAS must have every control within easy reach without stretching or straining while the controls (especially critical ones such as guns or weapon release) are heavy and difficult to accidentally operate.
And here i am playing DCS, Warthunder, Ace Combat 7, and Project Wingman with a very old Microsoft Force Feedback 2. Still kicks ass. In 2021.
I use a Thrustmaster HOTAS X in Elite...works great! All you need! I use the paddle on the throttle as a shift, and have it attached to foam board to keep it in place.
Nobody in the FlightSim community uses Saitek's software Linus, it is awful and clunky and there are way better 3rd party options.
Like what? I am looking for something similar.
Such as? I've been looking for good sticks and the top ones I've found review on are the X52 X55 X56 and the Thrustmaster A10
Yeah me too, I need good software for my X52
@Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus speaking of that do you have a suggestion for alternative software my x52
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Thrustmaster HOTAS warthog is easily the best you can get
It's 200 dollars more, though.
Chef Mike yep buy you save 200 buying the warthog since you will most likely upgrade anyway and the x55 is horribly uncomfortable with awful button placement and shape...you cant possibly know the difference until you have tried out a warthog for yourself...had mine 3 years and the action is still buttery smooth
what about the thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS for a more budget option? heard it has good accuracy but it looks a bit "gamey" which makes me doubt it a bit. :D
im roccin my thrift store logitech extreme 3d
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You must not have ever seen a suncom HOTAS.
It was modeled off a real F-15 flight stick and throttle quadrant.
It also had a built in keyboard emulator...
I was a vendor and still have a bunch of them I have converted a couple to use in simcockpits.
They are really nice. Haven't played with anything that feels like them.
I used to have the older version of this Saitek controller setup. Made playing Flight Simulator X incredible, even got used to it for Star Wars Galaxies with the space combat. Kinda regret selling it all those years ago.
Back in the good times. Wish videos were still like this :(
I refuse to buy any joysticks until the farce that is force feedback is sorted out. 15 years ago I purchased a force feedback MS Sidewider joystick with a gameport plug. It was fantastic, but when I looked into buying a new joystick 6 months ago, none of them have FF, not even the most expensive most premium offerings. I understand it has something to do with patents, but frankly they just need to sort their shit out and make it happen.
It's like, every controller has vibration now, but they stopped putting it standard on most joysticks, the opposite of what was 15 years ago.. wtf?
FF is not realistic, most modern fighter and commercial jets use a flybywire system. The idea is that the pilot's interactions are translated into hydraulic systems, the pilot doesn't get feedback, so FF would be unrealistic.
qmaster321 That's not totally true, real aircraft actually use some force feedback. So if anything it's even more realistic because it's just as fake as the feedback pilots get. Not all aircraft have this feature, but Boeing use it. It would also be useful when flying older aircraft. Plus, it's just more fun!
Lufferov "Not all aircraft have this feature, but Boeing use it."
Boeing doesn't use control sticks, they use yokes.
Also, the Boeing setup is so specific that it requires a precise software-hardware match to get the proper behavior (resistance against inducing high pitch/bank angle, stick shaker at stall, etc.) and you won't get that in consumer-grade, no matter what you do. But if you really want the authentic feel, maybe talk to these guys: www.flypfc.com/?/products/yokes/jetliner-column-yoke-boeing-737/
totoritko Where did I say that they used sticks? I was quite clearly talking about force feedback! Obviously you'd never match the behaviour of the real thing, do you think I'm an idiot? It's a simulator, so you would simulate the experience.
I play a lot of driving games with a wheel (T500RS), obviously the wheel is nothing like driving a real car. But the feedback adds to the experience and does help to control the vehicle because you can feel the grip etc..
I'm not looking for a flight stick specifically, I want a force feedback joystick I can use in flight game such as Elite Dangerous among others.
linus, what do you keep reaching for under the table?
his big man stick is down there
It's to scroll the script. He has some sort of remote on his belt.
He likes touching himself. I noticed many times in videos.
Now that you mentioned it, I keep getting distracted.
His 8 foot long dong
OMG It's such a pain to watch Linus play Elite Dangerous xD
Yeah, but everyone was like that one time, even me witch makes me cringe
OMG This must be perfect for FSX AND P3D. I need one of these
Holy cow that's the Thrust master I need with more buttons. I have a hotas 4 but I just now figured out a controller needs drivers which is crazy but I'm glad I got it working right.
Phlydaily be like: *WARTHUNDER THEME INTENSIFIES*
3:13 They used Hungarian flag for IT (Italian) language! Hope they'll fix it...
lol
***** They deserve an F in geography ahahah
I hope they won't fix this
And they used non-standard country codes for some of them :D For example Finland "FN" while it should be "FI". They used wrong flags for some countries and random country codes for some countries :D Who ever did that GUI, must have dropped out of school. :D
I booted up the software and i think i know whats the issue is here. They have a standard flag dimension for each button. Using vertical flags would stretch them out. Its probably a design choice.
Linus, I'm more worried about the durability. I heards loads of people stating that after around 3 months the stick buttons stop working or other dials.
I've had mine for almost a year now and everthing is still working fine.
had mine for ages works fine
I've had mine since release without issue and I use it daily. It comes with a warranty also, if I remember right the warranty is for 2 years. That was the deciding factor in buying it. I figured if it broke I'd just get a new one once they get their shit together.
Gungriffen Don't, just don't put the warranty as a plus, not at all. So, sooo many stories of Saitek atrocious costumer support. Do a research, its not only about the stick, they don't answer or take ages to answer when you contact them. They can send you a worse re-furbished product instead of one in good condition. I had a RAT.5 mouse from Saitek, 3 months and the left button stopped working. I'm extremely prudent about buying from this company that seem all about profits.
True, but Saitek gets away with it because who else makes high quality HOTAS joysticks :( No competition, if someone was to come along and make something to compete I would switch over but right now the options are buy a saitek or deal without a HOTAS joystick :(
that is one of my biggest things with flight sticks is the weight of the base. you need something that isn't going to be moving around when you use it. suction cups, clamps are a few ways to offset that, but if you actually feel the flight stick bend as you move the stick shouldn't be an issue if it is well designed
im watching this on my second monitor while using this exact joystick to fly around in X4. pretty sweet!
also worth to mention, there were some quality control issues in general. this was because when they released this stick. shortly after saitek was bought by another company. (i believe Logitech)
the X-55 was the only Saitek product i used. when this review came out, but since ive bought a few more things from them, mainly rudder pedals, and 2 screens (the radio box, and instrument LCD) no complaints.
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Haha you're funny
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Still have my Cougar. I so miss Frugalsworld for falcon 4.
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No, Linus. I will not get my hands off your HOTAS
Me to
Just got the Thrustmaster 1600 and absolutely love it
4 years later and that Star Citizen jab still lands nicely.
lol "Star Citizens coming... we hope"
jonathan red still hasn't showed up.
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Linus Grammar Tips.
I've had one of these for a number of years and I haven't used it for close to half the time I've owned it.
This is a notoriously bad HOTAS with numerous software bugs, power issues and ghost inputs among other things.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
Which do you recommend?
Clumzy Gamer want to send it to me? I’ll responsibly decommission it 😂
Still sporting the Saitek X45 which works in Windows 10 regardless of what ppl cry about on the forums. Saitek was the goto for pro use sticks back in the late 90's and 2000's. Logitech owns them now and basically released a direct rebrand Saitek as their own shortly after taking over with the X56 which believe it or not is a great unit however the Quality is much lower.
I own the Thrustmaster HOTAS stick only and i can tell you its a quality piece. very heavy and from what i understand its an exact replica of the A-10 Thunderbolt controls. yes its crazy expensive.
I'll never buy a saitek product ever again. The quality is piss poor,and the quality control is close to 0.Don't get me wrong there was a time where i loved saitek products,but after 2007 (when Madcatz bought them) it was clear as day that Saitek's department was the one that suffered from it. And it showed off in their products. Yes the warthog cost twice as much,but it's also twice as much the product. If you go on the saitek forums you see complaints after complaints. And negative reviews comes in bucket loads. If you thinking of buying a saitek product to save some money,think it through THOROUGHLY. Cause the chances are you will regret your decision afterwards,and you might not be so lucky to get a refund.
Cid1 tell me about it i had one last one week and the joystick failed. very disappointing because i really liked having a hotas.
had to solder wires many time in my x52 and it seems to have spiking issues now, well I have to warthog now so fuck that shit
No issues here with my 55.. but thats because i was smart enough to buy after the defect batch... and even if itl brake down in 3 years.. i still have factory warranty(issued by dutch law) so yha.
Saitek quality is .. variable. I bought their Cessna yoke, and it was pretty nasty, with lots of sticking going on and a cheap feel that, for a 'cessna sponsored' product felt disappointing. I sent it back, Amazon were cool enough to refund immediately. On the other hand, I also have the Saitek combat rudders which are NICE. Solid metal pedals, smooth movement, accurate, no problems at all. I also have the throttle quadrant and trim wheel which though a bit plasticky, do the job OK and have a nice modularity which makes mounting pretty easy.
That said, my Warthog is just light years ahead in every way. Its only down side is the slight sticking you get if you hang your hand off it, e.g. if you have it on a desk. But the metal shaft, solid machining, super smooth operation, nice heavy throttle, endless buttons, and perfect replica-ness of the relevant bits of an A-10 just make it THE stick to go for. If you can save up, then do it and get it. It will bring you years of flying pleasure.
Yeah only saitek products i would recommend to anyone is their pedals.
Joy sticks are weird.
Logitech 3d extreme $30
T.Master T-flight $45
X52 $150
x55 $300
Warthog $500
Can ya spot any price gaps? not to mention I wouldn't buy a used joy stick
Its hilarious that the Logitech does just fine...and is arguably as good as the X52, as a stick atleast
The Joystick market is a scam anyway...Its a niche market that they priceGouge because people are for some reason willing to throw the money at them
Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz The logitech doesn’t even have a throttle! How is it just as good?
chase speer You forgot to mention the 110 dollar T16000m or the 99 dollar VKB gladiator the 250 dollar VKB gladiator MCG. There is a price gap because you only wrote 5 different joysticks. (Also the X52 is 90 USD and the Warthog is 450 USD)
are you gonna review the new one?
Meaning the X-56
I use a Virpil Constellation Delta on a WarBRD base. They have two other sticks and a badass throttle as well.
I have the X56 which is very simular but its heavier then the 55 and better plastic. Also I got mine used that is referbished from Amazon and have no complaints at all. Even used its far better then anything else I have ever had. I use it not only for Flight sims but for other sims that I play and it works well for all of them. and Yes OMG buttons.
"with star citizen coming out eventually" - watching this in 2025
"with star citizen coming out eventually" - watching this in 2125
watching this in Elite Dangerous 3306
The title abbreviates to F.L.A.P...
You did that on purpose didn't you.
Have you ever touched an actual plane's cockpit?
Fun fact: That is about a quarter amount of the buttons you would need for the dcs f-18 module or the A-10C module
You nearly lost me at "I'm more into arcade flight" >:D Thanks for the review!
What did you do to fixate your Stick? I don´t want to drill holes into my desk...^^
stuck it in the slot......
Tyre weights could help.
Double Sided sticky pads. Watch his review of the desk.
I believe he used two sided tape
I use sticky velcro
Who clicked his face but got nothing in 2018?
"With Star Citizen coming out eventually" - watching this in 2038
Linus from the past Flight Sim 2020 will appreciate this video.
I had a Saitek Pacific AV8R, replaced it with the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Throttle and Stick. So much better!
Star citizen... 2020 and they expect us to pay insurance for virtual ships
It's a scam, that much is clear lol.
*Oh but people want a way to support us*
Yeah sure dude, your 300+ million dollar isn't enough ?
Any KSP players here?
yup
Mihkel Kukk Yup
You forgot the phantom button strikes, the X-55 sucks DO NOT buy this product!
That's an issue with power delivery over USB. It's annoying yes, but you can potentially fix it by switch USB ports. Especially if you happen to be using one of the front USB ports. Switch it to the back.
i payed $5 to play elite dangerous with these, along with VR headset and a dope spaceship like chair. gr8 experience
I'm an Airbus pilot!
If you positioned the stick better, and positioned an armrest so you could make fine adjustments to attitude (check out a modern Airbus flight deck) you'd be much more comfortable.
Is seems to me that your stick is a little too high, hence the wrist discomfort. Which isn't an easy fix when you can't mount the thing to the floor if you want a centre stick...
Love the video.
if you're going for an x5* go for the x52.....
Needs more HOT ASS jokes.
That throttle in the video looks more fun than the joystick xD
My first and still only joystick was/is the Trust Predator GM-2500 (with suction cups as feets), and the first game (with it) was Hawx, works like a charm.
But since it's my only one, nothing to compare to, I'd say it was fun and definitely got the job done.
(I never installed "extra" drivers, only used plug N play... not sure there were/are any "extra" drivers though).
(I also had fun with it and DirectInput8 much later, polling data from it and applied it in my own little space game).
CMDR Linus, you called the market with this one. good job and on the review. would love to see maybe another favorite or best in class throttle/joystick review. also, I'm super happy to see you actually enjoy E:D? hope to see you out there in the black!
I got to chance to visit delta airlines repair and maintenance facility. I naturally ran over to the A320 and immediately went to work on the side stick. NOTHING LIKE WHAT WE HAVE. NO CONTROL EVEN COMES CLOSE. AND WHEN THEY ACTUALLY TURN ON THE AUX UNIT SND THE SIDE STICK BECOMES ALIVE ITS INCREDIBLE PERCISE AND HAS A SMOOTH AND THICK FEELING. LIKE YOU TOOK A SPOON AND STUCK IT IN A JAR OF HONEY.
i just bought one for £ 95 , cant wait to use it on dcs world
I'm gonna get this when I get my VR set up for DCS
I got an X52 and some pretty awesome rudder pedals for $50 about 8ish years ago.
i have velcro under my keyboard so when i slide it back i can velcro accessories in the correct spot, its hidden and a very good way to have my wheel mount on safer and my flight sticks.
its a bit of a pain to peel off and replace, but if your careful and have a decent desk, it isnt that big of a deal..
The thrust master warthog is amazing but I only recommend if you do a lot of flying and you are into being realistic
Glad you mention Elite Dangerous could you please do a VR review with different headsets and levels of cpu/gpu? Pleeeese
i've been using mine for about 3 years now and honestly it's still a rush jumping onto elite and just warping my hands round the controls, the only bit of advice i'd give if you do want to get one is make sure you have some petroleum jelly because after a few months you will notice a squeak coming from the flight stick where the top of the ball rubs against the plastic sleeve on top. but it's a simple fix. the throttle has had no issues for me whatsoever the only thing i've had to do is occasionally re-tension it but that is the only thing. also I use this in arma 3 and again find it so much easier than keyboard and mouse.
You want a good stick? Get a Logitech ATTACK3. It's what I have, and I don't need yaw pedals (it has yaw buttons) or throttle, and it's ambidextrous. Not to mention the trigger, four thumb buttons, and six offhand buttons. I like to use 1 (trigger) for brakes, 2 for gear, 3 for ag10 (action group 10, aka my missiles), 4 and 5 for yaw left and right, respectively, 6 for ag1 (afterburners), 7 for ag2 (toggle thrust), 8 for reaction control, 9 for stability assist, 10 for ladder toggle, and 11 for flaps.
Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 is still the best thing MS ever made. I miss mine but the PSU blew up. The X52 is a good replacement but it's not the same.
At 3:13, it's a Dutch flag for the France language option. The France flag is Blue, White and Red, vertical, and not Red, White and Blue horizontal.
Watching this in 2022, still waiting for Star citizen, video uploaded 7 years ago!!! Lol
Great video though, keep up the good work 👏🏻