Not sure why they don’t use twisted-wire differential op-amps into a fiber back to the processor? (this is what is done with a standard EEG/EKG sensors). However, if they are using an Arduino, it must be really early prototypes and the video you showed must only be a 3D printed mockup, which sadly Meta has tendency to rely on more and more. Bringing it back around to Magic Leap. Meta should take a lesson from them on how quickly hyping a product with “fake” videos drives you to the bottom.
Great job Karl and Brad! Karl I wouldn’t be surprised if booth reps don’t run from you when they see you coming. :) Magic Leap looks like a round version of a Minisforum UM6xx. Oh that’s right maybe its because it uses a NAVI 2 GPU. What did you think of the Processor pack? I actually like the idea, and have been testing the UM690 with a Graphene 5000 mAH battery and WMR HMD. I sure hope we see an inside/out tracking system from Valve Index so I can hook it up to my “VR Fanny Pack” (Okay I need to work on the name) On hand tracking. Tried out Meta’s latest update on the Quest 2. Hand tracking is much improved. I noticed stability and tracking works better if you actually look at your hands when pointing and pinching. Still not as stable as the controller when it comes to moving a slider in a file menu window. But then again, not sure controllers fair much better. A better interface needs to be created, like maybe rubbing your thumb and index finger together either up or down to move the window up or down. (of course this might already be the case, I haven’t figured it out yet). EEG sensors have been around since 2007, I did an interview with the company at GDC as they used it to control some type of game.
At AWE a few years ago, someone at a booth told me, "we love reading your blog when it is not about us." 😁 I hate the cord wired into the headset and said so back in 2018 before the Magic Leap One was available. It is a terrible snag hazard. Then when I got one, I accidentally dragged the unit off of a table when I took the headset off and forgot the computer was in my pocket. The Hololens type "Bussle on the Back" is a better way to go. The Magic Leap 2 has a cord on only one side which will tend to weigh down that side. At a minimum, the cord should have been break-away, but there were too many high-speed signals to have an affordable breakaway connection.
The engineers vs the suits issue is as old as the hills. Back in the days of print the engineers got hidden by the suits who tried to grab us before we got the guys who looked really uncomfortable in a suit. But if you got to the engineers offered to buy them a burger & beer away from the corporate front, you could build up a good connection. BTW do you know Charbax & Stop the Fomo? You remind me of both of them also RedGamingTech & Wendell from Level 1Techs, TechTechPotatoe, Patrick from STH Your all 'real journalists' not like the 'influencers' who seem to predominate on UA-cam. By the way I've never been a 'real' anything in terms of Journalism
I'm going to have to watch it again to absorb more of the details. Assuming that several VR HMDs are going to come out in the coming year or so which emphasize pass-through, where does Karl think things are going with AR "glasses" in the next couple of years? There are these various technological challenges that have to be overcome to get to mass-market AR glasses in the form that most consumers would want. What is likely to be going on to get towards that over the next year or two?
VR with Passthrough is no substitute for optical AR as Brad, and I discussed in ua-cam.com/video/lvJ1WmWYCdE/v-deo.html and as we discuss in ua-cam.com/video/Lc1ozD_Rcds/v-deo.html, AR is Hard. We will see AR be used in commercial/enterprise applications where they can be valuable in the next few years. Something like Pokemon Go might come next where there is a fanatical following. But there are too many major challenges for a widespread consumer product in the near future.
VR passthrough mixed reality has the issue that it does not work well in low light, the camera sensors would need to be huge for them to work well in normal indoor lighting conditions.
Optical passthrough AR (especially Magic Leap) is aiming to be in a mobile context to augment realities beyond indoors in public. Plus most people will not wear a visor with passthrough in public. Not desirable or arguably safe.
Also I have driven to and from work for a week striaght with Nreal Air AR augmented reality glasses, you just push them up for a better view, commuting plus tesla drive assist will be completely fine. Now if you're on a new road, different story.
The wrist sensors have an obvious flaw. As soon as you start moving your arms and hands about, you're going to get a whole set of false triggers, because your hands, and fingers are doing a whole ton of stuff besides activating the control. If you go to scratch your nose you will have launched a missile attack on your teammates. If you're paralyzed and not generally using your arms and hands this might be useful. This sort of thing happens a lot when an engineer gets excited about a concept and jumps into development, while ignoring the obvious problems. They think "let's get the arm sensor detecting movement first, and then we'll tackle the other problems".
I think the interference comment is cobblers or obfuscation. If they really had an issue with interference then they could use an optical fibre for the signal.
The entire _venue_ for Trade Shows is downright silly in the modern era. Hotels, casinos... We'll never have anything as meaningful to the future, or as grand and dignified, as an 1889 or 1964 World's Fair. Because $$, media, and commercialization are all that matter now. Prefab fabulous.
Good to see Karl on the channel again! Thanks!
I love listening to you two nerding out.
Awesome video and great information on coming technology...👍
Ey. Cool. Love these updates.
More to come!
great video! Excited for the future of VR. Always learn something new
Awesome hope to see more of these ^_^
I want AR/VR glasses with IP68 to be able to take a shower everyday in the waterfalls of Amazonia I mean what can be more immersive?
Good stuff
Glad you enjoyed
Not sure why they don’t use twisted-wire differential op-amps into a fiber back to the processor? (this is what is done with a standard EEG/EKG sensors). However, if they are using an Arduino, it must be really early prototypes and the video you showed must only be a 3D printed mockup, which sadly Meta has tendency to rely on more and more. Bringing it back around to Magic Leap. Meta should take a lesson from them on how quickly hyping a product with “fake” videos drives you to the bottom.
Dadly with Bradley.
14:16 i really LIKE this part of the video 🙃
Are you going to do a deep dive on Ant-reality at CES? That looked the most amazing!
I think we talk about it *eventually*
Oh damn, special guest
Great job Karl and Brad! Karl I wouldn’t be surprised if booth reps don’t run from you when they see you coming. :) Magic Leap looks like a round version of a Minisforum UM6xx. Oh that’s right maybe its because it uses a NAVI 2 GPU. What did you think of the Processor pack? I actually like the idea, and have been testing the UM690 with a Graphene 5000 mAH battery and WMR HMD. I sure hope we see an inside/out tracking system from Valve Index so I can hook it up to my “VR Fanny Pack” (Okay I need to work on the name)
On hand tracking. Tried out Meta’s latest update on the Quest 2. Hand tracking is much improved. I noticed stability and tracking works better if you actually look at your hands when pointing and pinching. Still not as stable as the controller when it comes to moving a slider in a file menu window. But then again, not sure controllers fair much better. A better interface needs to be created, like maybe rubbing your thumb and index finger together either up or down to move the window up or down. (of course this might already be the case, I haven’t figured it out yet).
EEG sensors have been around since 2007, I did an interview with the company at GDC as they used it to control some type of game.
At AWE a few years ago, someone at a booth told me, "we love reading your blog when it is not about us." 😁 I hate the cord wired into the headset and said so back in 2018 before the Magic Leap One was available. It is a terrible snag hazard. Then when I got one, I accidentally dragged the unit off of a table when I took the headset off and forgot the computer was in my pocket. The Hololens type "Bussle on the Back" is a better way to go. The Magic Leap 2 has a cord on only one side which will tend to weigh down that side. At a minimum, the cord should have been break-away, but there were too many high-speed signals to have an affordable breakaway connection.
Bravo, great video.
Thank you! Cheers!
I don't have the money to support you but I think you are great brad. Great conversation
The engineers vs the suits issue is as old as the hills. Back in the days of print the engineers got hidden by the suits who tried to grab us before we got the guys who looked really uncomfortable in a suit. But if you got to the engineers offered to buy them a burger & beer away from the corporate front, you could build up a good connection.
BTW do you know Charbax & Stop the Fomo? You remind me of both of them also RedGamingTech & Wendell from Level 1Techs, TechTechPotatoe, Patrick from STH Your all 'real journalists' not like the 'influencers' who seem to predominate on UA-cam. By the way I've never been a 'real' anything in terms of Journalism
I am aware of Charbax! Some of their videos helped me understand some display technologies in my early days of doing this :D
I'm going to have to watch it again to absorb more of the details. Assuming that several VR HMDs are going to come out in the coming year or so which emphasize pass-through, where does Karl think things are going with AR "glasses" in the next couple of years? There are these various technological challenges that have to be overcome to get to mass-market AR glasses in the form that most consumers would want. What is likely to be going on to get towards that over the next year or two?
VR with Passthrough is no substitute for optical AR as Brad, and I discussed in ua-cam.com/video/lvJ1WmWYCdE/v-deo.html and as we discuss in ua-cam.com/video/Lc1ozD_Rcds/v-deo.html, AR is Hard. We will see AR be used in commercial/enterprise applications where they can be valuable in the next few years. Something like Pokemon Go might come next where there is a fanatical following. But there are too many major challenges for a widespread consumer product in the near future.
VR passthrough mixed reality has the issue that it does not work well in low light, the camera sensors would need to be huge for them to work well in normal indoor lighting conditions.
God this is fantastic.
2:20 - _"It's an insane form of mass transit"_ , the problem is it's NOT A MASS TRANSIT.
We need more PSVR2 analysis, please
when it releases
Optical passthrough AR (especially Magic Leap) is aiming to be in a mobile context to augment realities beyond indoors in public. Plus most people will not wear a visor with passthrough in public. Not desirable or arguably safe.
Youre talking about driving, biking its totally fine for most other stuff
Neither is safe, distracted walking is a major issue in these trying times, DON'T WUI!
@@paulct91 indeed
Also I have driven to and from work for a week striaght with Nreal Air AR augmented reality glasses, you just push them up for a better view, commuting plus tesla drive assist will be completely fine. Now if you're on a new road, different story.
The wrist sensors have an obvious flaw. As soon as you start moving your arms and hands about, you're going to get a whole set of false triggers, because your hands, and fingers are doing a whole ton of stuff besides activating the control. If you go to scratch your nose you will have launched a missile attack on your teammates. If you're paralyzed and not generally using your arms and hands this might be useful. This sort of thing happens a lot when an engineer gets excited about a concept and jumps into development, while ignoring the obvious problems. They think "let's get the arm sensor detecting movement first, and then we'll tackle the other problems".
My big takeaway from this video: Brad is very tall.
Haha-that’s the first thing I thought, too-Brad’s tall!
Nice
Notification Squad! :D
If we got an EEG that only sent a forward input to simulate an analog stick, id be happy.
The headnods lol
18:48 "mental states" from electrical patterns? Good luck buddy.
I think the interference comment is cobblers or obfuscation. If they really had an issue with interference then they could use an optical fibre for the signal.
Don't forget me when you get famous Badly.
woof
The entire _venue_ for Trade Shows is downright silly in the modern era. Hotels, casinos...
We'll never have anything as meaningful to the future, or as grand and dignified, as an 1889 or 1964 World's Fair.
Because $$, media, and commercialization are all that matter now. Prefab fabulous.
1st like 1st comment :P
nice
4th!
fIRsT
NOPE. FAILURE
EPIC FAIL
oh gawd no
I can do 4 hours of this.
many thanks for your work - really -- but for what ? - poor CES - nothing important..
Box head man
I dislike the video brad. I know you see it ;)
:(