I was playing against lvl 8 bots earlier and she is fucking crazy with her normals. Shes got wacky combos and kill confirms ans that only what the bots do. Ive never seen anything like it online
zelda is so underdeveloped by most of the community, people need to realize her normals are surprisingly good and that she doesn't have to just rely on her strong specials
Zelda is what I wish all the top tier characters sans Pokemon Trainer were designed like. On paper, Zelda has really obvious weaknesses but when played at her max, humanely attainable potential, she is an absolute monster. She's extremely powerful not because she can do everything, but because her strengths are so overwhelming that they can cover for said weaknesses. She's not a character who isn't allowed to fail, it's why she's so hard to pick up because her advantages aren't obvious aside from her zoning game. But when you realize "Wait, N-Air can do *THAT*" or "F-Air killed at *THAT* percentage" that's when you understand the very real danger she presents. I'd call her top tier, I believe it in my heart. But Palutena exists. :/
@@heartnet40 100% Agree. I think a lot of these "low tier" characters are just ranked so low because people don't know how to fully use them. That's why I laugh every time when a player uses a supposed "low tier" character to whoop someone with a "high tier" character in competitive play. It's awfully hilarious, especially when the chat gets MAD and starts screaming "that character is still low tier" or "that was a fluke!" 😂
right?! I watch supposed "pros" talk about Zelda or commentators on a Zelda match and they're completely clueless... but they're confident in their opinions. Zelda is a great character. There are things I'd change of course (like grab speed and I'd bring back the easier displaced phantom from that one patch they did) but honestly I pretty much never struggle to do well with her. Like one person I was watching talk about her was going on about how she has super laggy options and her neutral is bad because of it and I'm just #facepalm the whole time. Her normals are actually very fast. Especially after they buffed her jab speed in the last patch. Zelda's BIG weakness is her mobility. She struggles HARD against very specific characters (like zss/wolf/palu) and those matchups just happen to be super top tier characters that are EVERYWHERE in bracket. So it really holds her viability back.
I feel so bad that in online she literally loses much of her properties because of lag, yeah, she has some unreactable stuff too, but she's a character with precise timings, and need a lot of reaction to work properly. And who mains her, knows how suck is her disadvantage state at online, being juggled by swordies in non-true combos, dying because wrong time with farore's wind and other things is frustrating af.
I noticed I've got the highest GSP with Zelda, not because I main her (she's my secondary), but because my opponent don't know how she's effective. Most people see her as a spamming character or a projectile user, but she's very close-range oriented and aggressive
I don't tend to watch this video series, but I'm glad I'm sort of a part of it. Thank you for contacting me. And this makes me realise, I still have some things to really tweak in my game. My spacing is usually subpar (don't take full advantage of spaced Kicks, Dtilt and reverse Utilt). A lot of this has to do with her initial dash, which can be very hard to control if you're constantly using it.
There is a easier way to do a phantom displacement which I figured out a long time ago which made it for me a lot more consistent to pull it off! Alright for some reason if you press during the input A at the same time as B and jump, I get consistent displaced phantoms without the tight timing of the shorthop jumpsquat frames to take into consideration. I also made sure to bind jump to one of the shoulder buttons for a easier way to press all 3 buttons. If anyone else can test this I would appreciate it to hear if it works.
Thats cool! The way learned was to dash away and jump on the same frame as i hold down in the opposite direction. I basically just roll my thumb on Y and B really fast. It works 5/6 times atm but with more practice I'm sure I'll be able to hit it consistently
- unless it is smash 4 that is how you do it lol... funny that phantom became such a complex and powerful move in smash ultimate when it was so bad before (it had some uses, but was soo slow and comital), and that it is the same move that used to switch to a better character, who is now much more comparable in power.. tbh I think sheik players would want Zelda back for down b, after neglecting her for so long
@@TurboPancake Ofc, but the way you use it make me think of Nirvana in Blazeblue. You input her move, she does the thing, and you act depending on how the opponent react. Phamtom is not as complex, but the concept is similar
I picked up Zelda in Ultimate after years of playing close-up melee characters... just to melee with her, lol. I pretty much just use her Side-B to stop people from camping/staying away from me, and Up-B to kill sometimes. I thought I'd never get a How-To for Zelda because of her reputation and how normal people play her, but I was wrong! ... I'll watch the video now lol
What I love about Zelda is that she can be used in a large variety of ways. She can zone, be agressive or defensive, and more. Additionally, she can switch playstyles at the drop of a hat
The long awaited sequel. The first one perfected my Zelda in smash 4, and even though I now main incineroar, hopefully I can master her too with this video.
People who constantly complain about Zelda's only spamming Phantom need to shut up because there's more to her than that. Plus, it's not like every single top tier doesn't spam something, or heck any character can spam something. If it works, then *use it!*
This was probably one of the best Zelda guides I have been scouring around for. Not only do you showcase topics rarely covered by other Zelda guides that are crucial for good transferrable habits with Neutrals, Recovery, and Ledge Trapping, but you also present them in a practical way showing off weaknesses like ending lag, what being punished for misreading looks like, and other nuances that other creators don't capture (only VODs of themselves owning their opponents). Thanks so much for this guide!
absolutely beautiful video. i loved seeing all of the crazy combos you did, i was unaware she was even capable of such magnificent combos! even though ive been maining zelda since ultimate came out, i learned new things. marvelous work :D thank you for posting this superb video.
I learned exactly 3 things I would not have thought of before and not necessarily on everything he was teaching but the three moves he did that he didn't mention per say but made me go... ooooo! Thank you Izaw!😏
She also has one thing with her Phantom where if you input Neutral B or Up B on exactly Frame 66 she'll launch the Phantom and do the special at the same time.
I literally watched your ganon video, and as a 2D competitive player ( sf mainly tournament goer ) i learned how to understand smash and ganon instantly from you. Keep up the great work
bruh I've been playing Zelda since Melee, and I didn't know about half of these. I didn't even know how to properly use Phantom, like this is so great and informative. I mostly just played defensive or punish style, but like wow, the setups and traps are so cool. the editing with the visuals is just so good too. i've really been liking these videos for how well put together they are
At a Zelda main, I think she's one of the very best at edge guarding in the game but must Zelda's I play don't bother worth it. Jumping off with phantom or Din's fire and punishing the air dodge with an aerial can cover so many options, and if you hit a fair off stage it's GG
My Friend/Roomate loves playing Zelda and labbed all of this stuff for years. Best Zelda I have ever faced.. still cant beat him to this day and if I do I go treat myself to therapy and ice cream.
yesterday it took me 10 mins, 3 matches won with a never before used Kirby to take him to Elite Smash. The fact is, it's way faster when your overall GSP is already high and it's quite a stupid feature honestly!
Are most Zelda players Tilt Stick, Smash Stick or B-Stick? I can't see much Smash Stick advantage, but she is one of the few characters where B-sticking might have some upside...: - Phantom on speed-dial - Fully directing Din's Fire (up or down) before releasing it - Directing Up-B before activating it - Up-B out-of-shield on speed-dial If there was a way to use B-sticking for easier Displaced Phantoms, I'd be sold. However, I am not sure if losing instant Tilt Stick aerials (and having to re-wire my brain and muscle memory) is worth it.
As one of my new mains in ultimate, I wanted to see this guide mainly for understanding the new Phantom Slash mechanics. Other than that, I’d say Zelda is solid in this game. Thanks for the guide Izaw!
and it's like if she were a little quicker and had one or two safer options, she'd be able to reach that potential. but clearly buffing those goes against her design philosophy. she is overcentralised on one option (phantom) that I don't see her improving until she becomes less dependant on it.
I play a nasty Zelda and I almost never use her phantom. People get mad at me for not using it but they are loosing to me 9/10. I'm such a naturally aggressive player that it hardly ever crosses my mind. If you know how to move precisely, Zelda can keep up with literally anyone. Her tilts make for great up close combat setups into a smash, ALL of her ariels are literally perfect and devastating, and her smash attacks are just off the charts strong.. She has insane speed as well. She's the perfect character but most people just like to rely on her phantom which is predictable and boring imo. Good to know this stuff tho.
I started using Zelda like 2 weeks ago and I've gotten really good with her. As a new Zelda main I never really use her phantom since it sort of makes you vulnerable and slows you down so I just tend to use her air attacks, neutral B, side B, Up B, and her other ground attacks for racking up damage. I also use her down air for spikes which made me want to main her in the first place
This has been the first character to really click with me. I did very well with Mario, but Zelda just feels so cool. There were so many tricks I was missing too.
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Very helpful can you do an art of me and Ganondorf? Please
So what I’ve learned is that I’m losing to scrubby Zeldas that don’t even use a third of their potential
Play me then i got 2nd place in an offline tournament with Zelda
@@ruthlessan00bis for real? If so that's amazing
my guy
You're losing to wifi.
@@ruthlessan00bis just got 3rd yesterday. Choked against puff😔
I was playing against lvl 8 bots earlier and she is fucking crazy with her normals. Shes got wacky combos and kill confirms ans that only what the bots do. Ive never seen anything like it online
zelda is so underdeveloped by most of the community, people need to realize her normals are surprisingly good and that she doesn't have to just rely on her strong specials
Agreed and she is a option select monster forcing ur opponent to play the way she wants them 2
Exactly
Now I have seen her power and it's almost like she plays like a swordy this is funny.
Zelda is what I wish all the top tier characters sans Pokemon Trainer were designed like. On paper, Zelda has really obvious weaknesses but when played at her max, humanely attainable potential, she is an absolute monster. She's extremely powerful not because she can do everything, but because her strengths are so overwhelming that they can cover for said weaknesses.
She's not a character who isn't allowed to fail, it's why she's so hard to pick up because her advantages aren't obvious aside from her zoning game. But when you realize "Wait, N-Air can do *THAT*" or "F-Air killed at *THAT* percentage" that's when you understand the very real danger she presents.
I'd call her top tier, I believe it in my heart.
But Palutena exists. :/
@@heartnet40 100% Agree. I think a lot of these "low tier" characters are just ranked so low because people don't know how to fully use them. That's why I laugh every time when a player uses a supposed "low tier" character to whoop someone with a "high tier" character in competitive play. It's awfully hilarious, especially when the chat gets MAD and starts screaming "that character is still low tier" or "that was a fluke!" 😂
Gosh, Zelda's set ups are so cool! I wish I saw more high level play with her cause she's got such a cool kit.
Look up Venason. His Zelda is super fun to watch, especially because he's an offline player. He's been doing great on the weekly tournaments too.
"Use Nayru's Love to Deny Approaches" that sounds like something that the girls at my high school would do
IMAO
Nayru's Rejection sits in the forgotten pile of custom moves :(
The fact he herted this tho
LOOL
“The worst she can say is no”
(She set up into a tech chase 😢)
My roommate plays zelda, I sent him this video. Pray for me bois.
you dug your own grave
He got evicted press f in chat bois
I play zelda and cannot fathom why you did this 💀, may the odds be ever in your favor
And then he never came back
As a Zelda co-main, I will pray for you boy-o.
Finally someone else understands how to play Zelda
I learned like 3 things I didnt already know. Been a zelda main since day 1. But any information learned is a blessing. Thank you izaw
right?! I watch supposed "pros" talk about Zelda or commentators on a Zelda match and they're completely clueless... but they're confident in their opinions.
Zelda is a great character. There are things I'd change of course (like grab speed and I'd bring back the easier displaced phantom from that one patch they did) but honestly I pretty much never struggle to do well with her.
Like one person I was watching talk about her was going on about how she has super laggy options and her neutral is bad because of it and I'm just #facepalm the whole time. Her normals are actually very fast. Especially after they buffed her jab speed in the last patch. Zelda's BIG weakness is her mobility. She struggles HARD against very specific characters (like zss/wolf/palu) and those matchups just happen to be super top tier characters that are EVERYWHERE in bracket. So it really holds her viability back.
I KNOW RIGHT!!! Shes soooo underrated!!
Zelda is the Personification of “oh you’re approaching me”?
Phantom is her stand
I dropped everything to watch this right now
I always loved playing Zelda! Playing her "uncharacteristically" really throws people off. He Fair and Bair sweet spots are so satisfying
Zelda is definitely lucky to have that triforce of wisdom with all the reads she needs to make.
Zelda mains rise up!!!!
I cannot express to you how much this made my day. I was secretly hoping you'd do an Art of Zelda someday. Awesome
I too was waiting and stopped following this channel for a while. Came back to it today and looked at video history until i found Art of Zelda!
I never thought this day would come. I can become the strongest Zelda user in existence. My battles will be *legendary.* Thank you, great IzawSmash.
brahhhhh thats like youll be the best Cigarette Smoker in the world. Nobody is racing with you to the bottom.
@@Turnpost2552 No
@@Turnpost2552 yea okay bud
@@Turnpost2552 bro you didn't have to do him like that 😂😂 ah shit you funny
I feel so bad that in online she literally loses much of her properties because of lag, yeah, she has some unreactable stuff too, but she's a character with precise timings, and need a lot of reaction to work properly.
And who mains her, knows how suck is her disadvantage state at online, being juggled by swordies in non-true combos, dying because wrong time with farore's wind and other things is frustrating af.
FINALLY OMG YOU DONT KNOW HOW LONG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Beautiful work. I kinda knew everything but It’s covering Zelda so I had to watch it. I wish pros didn’t sleep on her.
Isn't Ven a pro who mains Zelda?
Who are the sad people that dislike these videos? The quality is supreme. Very nice.
I noticed I've got the highest GSP with Zelda, not because I main her (she's my secondary), but because my opponent don't know how she's effective. Most people see her as a spamming character or a projectile user, but she's very close-range oriented and aggressive
I don't tend to watch this video series, but I'm glad I'm sort of a part of it. Thank you for contacting me.
And this makes me realise, I still have some things to really tweak in my game. My spacing is usually subpar (don't take full advantage of spaced Kicks, Dtilt and reverse Utilt). A lot of this has to do with her initial dash, which can be very hard to control if you're constantly using it.
I don't even play 90% the characters you do these videos on, but these videos are so well made that I still watch them
She's so sick man I love this character. Ike and Zelda are my mains. Thanks for finally making a guide for her Izaw!
There is a easier way to do a phantom displacement which I figured out a long time ago which made it for me a lot more consistent to pull it off!
Alright for some reason if you press during the input A at the same time as B and jump, I get consistent displaced phantoms without the tight timing of the shorthop jumpsquat frames to take into consideration. I also made sure to bind jump to one of the shoulder buttons for a easier way to press all 3 buttons. If anyone else can test this I would appreciate it to hear if it works.
Thats cool! The way learned was to dash away and jump on the same frame as i hold down in the opposite direction. I basically just roll my thumb on Y and B really fast. It works 5/6 times atm but with more practice I'm sure I'll be able to hit it consistently
how to play zelda : press down b
oh wait this isnt melee
I don't know if I have to laugh or to be really mad as a Zelda main lmao
Honestly still true
As the Phantom is a major part of Zelda’s move kit, Down B is still what you want to press
No no, he’s got a point
- unless it is smash 4 that is how you do it lol... funny that phantom became such a complex and powerful move in smash ultimate when it was so bad before (it had some uses, but was soo slow and comital), and that it is the same move that used to switch to a better character, who is now much more comparable in power.. tbh I think sheik players would want Zelda back for down b, after neglecting her for so long
That Wydado 0-death at 17:55 🤌
after seeing this zelda might be a little better than i thought, really good and in depth guide izaw!
15:48 that was absolutely brutal
and it just gets crazier. so many 0-💀
10:54 You know, This up air's hitbox is bigger than Zelda herself. But really? This touches through Smashville? Bruh
At this point, can she be classified has a "puppeteer" kind of.character? It is different from Rosa, but....
@@TurboPancake Ofc, but the way you use it make me think of Nirvana in Blazeblue.
You input her move, she does the thing, and you act depending on how the opponent react. Phamtom is not as complex, but the concept is similar
Izaw says it best, she’s more of a bait and punish trapping character than a puppeteer, she doesn’t quite fit that archetype.
@@TurboPancake Nothing to do with its form. But I get your point.
Also you just reminded me that sephiroth was in that game, I completelu forgot
I picked up Zelda in Ultimate after years of playing close-up melee characters... just to melee with her, lol. I pretty much just use her Side-B to stop people from camping/staying away from me, and Up-B to kill sometimes. I thought I'd never get a How-To for Zelda because of her reputation and how normal people play her, but I was wrong!
... I'll watch the video now lol
Izaw teaching us to slingshot a year ago (see 5:50) Godlike!
we just gonna talk over 17:54 where that Lucina lost their Stock 1 frame after their invincibility wore off? Okay then...
What I love about Zelda is that she can be used in a large variety of ways. She can zone, be agressive or defensive, and more. Additionally, she can switch playstyles at the drop of a hat
The long awaited sequel. The first one perfected my Zelda in smash 4, and even though I now main incineroar, hopefully I can master her too with this video.
This is awesome! My zelda has been struggling a lot recently, so this will help my game so much! More great work izaw
It was your smash 4 Zelda video that got me to play her so happy to see this as a Zelda main
People who constantly complain about Zelda's only spamming Phantom need to shut up because there's more to her than that.
Plus, it's not like every single top tier doesn't spam something, or heck any character can spam something. If it works, then *use it!*
Decided to learn Zelda today, and you posted this amazing video.
What a hard read.
Thank you for the amazing job
This was probably one of the best Zelda guides I have been scouring around for. Not only do you showcase topics rarely covered by other Zelda guides that are crucial for good transferrable habits with Neutrals, Recovery, and Ledge Trapping, but you also present them in a practical way showing off weaknesses like ending lag, what being punished for misreading looks like, and other nuances that other creators don't capture (only VODs of themselves owning their opponents). Thanks so much for this guide!
This is the best Zelda tutorial I've seen so far. Keep up the great work Izaw!
I made it in at 12:55!! THANK YOU IZAW!!
As a zelda main, this is beautiful!
She has come so far from when she started in melee it feels so satisfying
absolutely beautiful video. i loved seeing all of the crazy combos you did, i was unaware she was even capable of such magnificent combos! even though ive been maining zelda since ultimate came out, i learned new things. marvelous work :D thank you for posting this superb video.
I learned exactly 3 things I would not have thought of before and not necessarily on everything he was teaching but the three moves he did that he didn't mention per say but made me go... ooooo! Thank you Izaw!😏
She also has one thing with her Phantom where if you input Neutral B or Up B on exactly Frame 66 she'll launch the Phantom and do the special at the same time.
Man legend of Zelda has such good music
I literally watched your ganon video, and as a 2D competitive player ( sf mainly tournament goer ) i learned how to understand smash and ganon instantly from you. Keep up the great work
Didn't know elon musk played Smash
bruh I've been playing Zelda since Melee, and I didn't know about half of these. I didn't even know how to properly use Phantom, like this is so great and informative. I mostly just played defensive or punish style, but like wow, the setups and traps are so cool.
the editing with the visuals is just so good too. i've really been liking these videos for how well put together they are
I miss twilight princess Zelda :(
OMG! Just last week posted a comment on the other Art of Zelda video asking for an updated version... and here it is. 😍
IT’S ABOUT TIME. Zelda mains rise up, welcome to teleportation class, please take your seats!
Present!
Here!!
All 9 of yall
I waited for so long since the Smash 4 Art of Zelda video, Thanks!!!!
We need to see some credit for Mysterica for pushing Zelda tech further than anyone else.
This I have been waiting for a Long Time! Thank you Izaw!!
Can you do an tutorial on how to find a main?
Great video as always. So glad I could be a part of it, thanks for using my clip! Some insane clips in this one!
This is why I main Zelda!! ♡♡♡ She's not just her B button, she's a deep, tech heavy, super hype character that can show off so much big brain ♡
My man releasing another banger video! Also, my review be up there 🔥
Would love an “Art of BEATING …” series and series of 2-minute videos with the absolute most vital info.
At a Zelda main, I think she's one of the very best at edge guarding in the game but must Zelda's I play don't bother worth it. Jumping off with phantom or Din's fire and punishing the air dodge with an aerial can cover so many options, and if you hit a fair off stage it's GG
If he keeps making these well-made art of's I'm going to want to play every character on the roster lmao
My Friend/Roomate loves playing Zelda and labbed all of this stuff for years. Best Zelda I have ever faced.. still cant beat him to this day and if I do I go treat myself to therapy and ice cream.
The editing in the beginning was so fucking good
I have no words to say how good this video is.
yesss i’ve been waiting for this thanks so much Izaw
When an art of comes out, I watch it no matter what I was doing before
At 6:00 min in I realized Izaw was teaching Slingshot tech way before it ever blew up. What a G!
5:55 izaw knew about slingshot a year ago
Just picked her up 3 hours ago and got her into elite smash, she’s so much fun to use
yesterday it took me 10 mins, 3 matches won with a never before used Kirby to take him to Elite Smash. The fact is, it's way faster when your overall GSP is already high and it's quite a stupid feature honestly!
I've been waiting for this one for a long time.
Are most Zelda players Tilt Stick, Smash Stick or B-Stick?
I can't see much Smash Stick advantage, but she is one of the few characters where B-sticking might have some upside...:
- Phantom on speed-dial
- Fully directing Din's Fire (up or down) before releasing it
- Directing Up-B before activating it
- Up-B out-of-shield on speed-dial
If there was a way to use B-sticking for easier Displaced Phantoms, I'd be sold.
However, I am not sure if losing instant Tilt Stick aerials (and having to re-wire my brain and muscle memory) is worth it.
somehow missed this when it dropped and I am stoked to see it! love this char!
Where’s Shybaka at?
Oh no every time one of these Art of Videos came out, it feels like a new broken DLC Character is born XD
10% f smash, 20% neutral b, 15% concentrated power of b, 5% side b, 50% the b button and 100% reason to not rematch because of lag
learned more about zelda than i ever wanted thanks sir
As a Zelda main, I love this. This will be very useful if I ever get back to competing
As one of my new mains in ultimate, I wanted to see this guide mainly for understanding the new Phantom Slash mechanics.
Other than that, I’d say Zelda is solid in this game. Thanks for the guide Izaw!
Zeldas has all this potential and uniqueness but it’s absolutely squandered by the optimal way to play her
and it's like if she were a little quicker and had one or two safer options, she'd be able to reach that potential. but clearly buffing those goes against her design philosophy. she is overcentralised on one option (phantom) that I don't see her improving until she becomes less dependant on it.
These were some amazing combos.
5:55 “not an essential tech”
i don’t think we’ve played against joker yet
I play a nasty Zelda and I almost never use her phantom. People get mad at me for not using it but they are loosing to me 9/10. I'm such a naturally aggressive player that it hardly ever crosses my mind.
If you know how to move precisely, Zelda can keep up with literally anyone. Her tilts make for great up close combat setups into a smash, ALL of her ariels are literally perfect and devastating, and her smash attacks are just off the charts strong.. She has insane speed as well.
She's the perfect character but most people just like to rely on her phantom which is predictable and boring imo.
Good to know this stuff tho.
Zelda mains. Rise. 😤
Ah yes, the art of neutral b
Zelda-art of neutral B.
Sonic-art of side B(maybe steve and banjo too).
G&W-art of up B.
Zss-art of down B.
I don’t play smash anymore but i need to see this cause I used to main her
Same.
Minute 6:03; Wow Slingshot were way earlier discoverd, then we thought.
Damn I underestimated this character. Zelda is insane
It's finally here, i'm happy to see this ! I dropped everything and watched it !
I started using Zelda like 2 weeks ago and I've gotten really good with her. As a new Zelda main I never really use her phantom since it sort of makes you vulnerable and slows you down so I just tend to use her air attacks, neutral B, side B, Up B, and her other ground attacks for racking up damage. I also use her down air for spikes which made me want to main her in the first place
Yet another quality video! Makes me want to pick up Zelda now and give her a more serious try! Keep up the great work Izaw!
This has been the first character to really click with me. I did very well with Mario, but Zelda just feels so cool. There were so many tricks I was missing too.
Bro, hit us with some of those traditional fighting game characters and sick combos! I'd love to see Art of Ryu, Ken, or Terry.
5:53 I was here all night trying to figure out how to do this 😅😂😂
Dang Zelda is sick, now I want to play her. Might have to try her out sometime. . .
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
6:10 You found the slingchot 1year before everyone 🤣
zelda underrated; i bet one day shes creeps into bottom of high tier
19:05 phantom is always painful to play against