A lot of questions and hype floating around, so let me clarify: Pyromancer IS RETURNING to World of Warcraft to follow the new lore, check out The War Within when it releases, and maybe even play current retail to get caught up on what he's missed. However, he is NOT leaving Final Fantasy 14 - the story, world, and setting is every bit of Azeroth's equal, and he intends to continue his journey in Eorzea alongside his return to Azeroth. Thirdly, it has always been the case that he streams and speaks on the games he enjoys, which means that variety, one-offs, and other diversions will also continue. In his own words, for example, he plays more OSRS in his off stream hours than FF14 and WoW combined! That being said, there's obviously a lot of focus on World of Warcraft right now as we're all excited about these new announcements and the promise of the story moving in a healthier and more interesting direction. I would look forward to a lot more World of Warcraft content in the coming days, but I wouldn't be surprised to see gameplay and coverage of other titles as well. Whatever happens, you can be sure I will be here to bring it to UA-cam for those who are unable to watch it on stream live. Pyro may be releasing a video to speak on this more directly, but until then - thank you for the support, everyone! We love the WoW community AND the FF14 community! We're really excited at and grateful for the enthusiasm and can't wait to see you in Azeroth, Eitherys, and beyond. - Editor Jay
Thank you I appreciate it. I’ve been a fan of pyro for so long and truly missed him. You are a great guy man you made my nights during legion that more epic with you’re lore talks. Come back and do the wow community a service WE all deserve
To be fair - if they could implement the "night and day" cycle in the Hallowfall, where during day there is a peace and chill, and when it changes into shadow/night - enemies become aggresive, new ores/plants spawn, events and treasures etc - it would be awesome and something new. And make it like - 1 hour light, 1 hour night cycle or something similar.
Im just stoked that after so much frustration that Pyro's had with their story, and how much passion he clearly has for the property that Metzen comes back and writes Pyro a strait up love note. Watching him get teary while Metzen presented was my favorite UA-cam video this week...
I may personally be a lot more hyped for Dawntrail than The War Within, but you have way more energy here than you did on the fanfest reactions. Love to see it! Who cares what the game is, good to see some big gears turning from you
@sakiyoshidaxiv ....uh, I think that might just be who you're hanging out with/what server you're on. I'm on a server with an RP reputation, and even here the worst I see are sus emotes in limsa, and occasionally an a /shout rp event ad which advertises as 18+.
@@sakiyoshidaxiv Holy hysterical hyperbole, Batman. If you're looking for "sex chat rooms for weirdos", you're going to find it. If you're experiencing anything even close to what you describe, maybe you need to seek new places to hang out in-game. I'm also 10 years in, have been on a variety of servers/DCs, and I've never encountered anything like that. Sounds like a self-inflicted "problem".
I think i read somewhere on WoWHead that the Arathi followed a "Falling Star" and thats how then ended up down there...which if that is the "Star" it could explain why the top looks like it busted through the ceiling. Keeping in mind this is all just info for the release of War Within, i dont think we are deep enough for the tip of the sword yet. I imagine we will keep going deeper as the expac goes on (since there is nothing in the zones that hint to the big burning ball from the visions)
I think its indeed a decaying Naaru. Thats why it changes to void at times, i think the influence of the blood of the old gods around the region is causing the naaru to dispair.
It's funny how Blizzard got this crowd of crybabies around who just create this ridiculous and sad community of clueless peopel who just love to hate on it for no reason. Just as FF14 fans can't explain while the absolute shit story is good, WoW crybabies can't explain what is bad. And for the same reason: stubborn stupidity.
I think it's a step above in the Light hierarchy. It's the Light's version of an Old God. There was a line in Chronicle about how shards of Light crash landed on many planets at the beginning of the universe. That sounds kinda similar to the Void Lords sending out millions of Old Gods to crash land on planets. They also said that the Arathi have an ultra zealous relationship with the Light because of this crystal.
That's actually a fair point. The crystal looks more ornate than even something like a dimensional ship (which from past experience are fairly natural looking crystal structures). I had always assumed that line was talking about world souls. The line in question from wowpedia: "The cataclysmic birth of the cosmos sent shards of fractured Light flying through the cosmos, suffusing the newly formed planets of the universe with the spark of life and giving birth to countless life forms, the most common of which were the primordial elementals."
Could be! Yeah that Chronicles line is referring to shards of light that flew into the cosmos which suffused myriad worlds with the primordial energies of the cosmos. This allegedly gave rise to the titans. It didn’t seem to be referring to actual crystals and we’ve never seen evidence of that before. I’m not sure if that line relates to this. We also know that this thing turns dark after time which is how Naaru behave, especially as the power of them is drained by mortals- like the Arathi drawing Light from it. Also Naaru and Void Lord are on the same power scale. If this is the case, Light Old God would not be a step up from Naaru, it would be a step down. Just as Old Gods are an alleged step down from Void Lords.
@@Pyromancer I think Azeroth IS an old god. The naming is very similar to Azathoth from lovecraft lore. He is the oldest god and the center of all things. A sleeping god in which who's DREAM all reality exists. So all the other old gods like Cthulhu and nyarlethotep are his children. Its all a little too close imo to not be this.. but they could throw us a curve ball so who knows really.
I consider the titan forms like cybermen. They imprison a world soul inside to preserve it within Order. There is such disdain of rot and decay from the titans because these represent change/chaos. They reshaped early life into stone and metal to stop decay. They do not mention protecting Azeroth as the planet, but only her energy, her soul. Sargeras is a titan and used titan designs in his legion. Eredar transfer their souls into those constructs. It is foreshadowing of the titans. The only difference between the pumps within Argus and Azeroth is the color scheme. Why did Sargeras really revolt against the other titans? Not just what they have told us. Maybe he felt it was this order threatening to consume all.
Why would Azeroth be an Old God? It's immensely more powerful than one and why would there be multiple Old Gods imprisoned on the planet if that was the case? That'd be far too much of a drift away from what's been established already. @@riv4196
I was hoping this was the swords tip, meaning, we above the surface see the evil and shadowy cursed looking blade but when it cracks through the surface, being closer to Azeroth reveals that it was a blade of justice all along, trying to reach and kill whatever Azeroth has been sealing (perhaps the void lords or titans corrupt source of power)
I had thought of a possible storyline being Xalatath being impressed by Alleria's mastery and resistance to the Void. Wanting Allerias strength for her side she uses the blood of the Old Gods to overwhelm her forcibly twisting her to her side. Now a void aligned Alleria is tasked with commanding the voids forces to Quel'thalas to snuff out the Lightwell. Where a heartbroken Turalyon stands with the remaining Army of the Light willing to give anything to stop the Void and save his wife. Even if his actions unknowingly lead to the Light gaining ground on Azeroth causing another equally as cataclysmic threat to arrive.
@Pyromancer Azerite was Azeroth's blood if I'm not mistaken. So what if Azeroth's blood crystalized to heal the wound the sword made (around the tip in the case of the new zone), similar to how it works with humans. The blinking in and out of the void glows could mean that the blood leaking in from the Old Gods or whatever the void beings are/have been doing is working to some extend. That could also explain the different visions people get.. some more vulnerable to the radiant song.. some more to the void song. Let me know what you think!
With Anduin off messing in the center of the world, will he go back to being King? And will Turalyon give up that throne he's become accustomed to? And with Anduin not having the light, and Turalyon thinking that the Light is THE way, how is that discussion about the throne and kingship going to go? And what's Turalyon's marriage going to go like with his wife wandering around dealing with the void. I have a lot of questions on this part, it's going to be fun to see how the story goes on (which is why I play).
Demons do indeed go back to the Twisting Nether to reform or get a new body. Illidan confirms this in the DH starter zone if you opt to sacrifice yourself to empower a portal. He tells you that you have an immortal demon soul like him and will await in the nether to go back to your body or find a new one.
Hydaelyn is a single person that for some reason got the power to went Super Hitler on its planet and all life on it and then plays a fake god to manipulate the distorted life it had created out of the corpse of all the people it murdered - and the game forces you to accept this as the good and right thing to do. While it is not clear what Azeroth is exactly it is indeed the planet. If anything than Azeroth is closer to Zodiark, who was created by the Ancients to give their planet a living, thinking soul that is able to fight back against the calamity and save itself and them. Hydaelyn is just a pile of shit more insane than the Nazis and the fact the Square sells this as fine (even more because they are a Japanese company and better not look up what Japan had done during 2.WW - and no, Pearl Harbour was the harmless part...), is just disgusting.
Anduin could become a paladin but not of the light, of Radiance for the light of Azeroth and they could make a new class based around him (complete crackpot speculation)
Speaking of similarity to oribos, i did actually notice alot of similar shapes in the designs of the earthen that can be found alot in oribos, the cubic shapes the same color of brownish orange and zig zaggy lines
I'm pretty sure it is the sword, but they're not saying it because it's a part of the story. But also, if that's like their sun, then it would have had to be there for a while and can't be the sword. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
oh im def thinking its the sword. and the raid directly underneath its trajectory will have lore implications. Just on placement alone you can tell what ever it is. Sargaras wanted destroyed. IS it a lock or maybe a tumor.
What is the hatching process of a Titan? When we "return to Northrend" in The Last Titan, why do I feel like it's going to be a floating continent in the Twisting Nether by that point?
I know its been a while since talked shop about lore stuff (This is Aluneth)... But didn't we talk during Legion/BfA about how killing the Old Gods and letting the blood seep into the earth would/could make its way to Azeroth and corrupt her?
@pyromancer so does this mean that with Alleria Windrunner being officially named Void Hunter and in the WoW Midnight we are unifying all elven kingdoms... would it be a stretch to say that blizzard is setting up either a completely new class or a 3rd spec for Demon Hunters?
Maybe the sword is corrupting the crystal? It seems to have been there significantly longer than the events which took place around a certain stabby fallen titan.
the delves seem like eureka in FF14 i loved world boss trains and map treasure hunts all that was epic that place was fun AF to explore and it all was tied to your Legacy weapon for the expansion
34:32 - It also isn't even new to World of Warcraft. Tons of outdoor content has used player scale systems since Mists. Scenarios too, I believe, were 1-3 players
i was thinking the starting cinematic or one shown at blizcon for one of the future xpacs will open to the seat of the pantheon with the titans but then it moves over to illidan chained up, like maybe they knew illidan was too powerful and too big a nusiance to leave on azeroth so they found a way where he ends up leaving with them to help ''protect'' sargaras when in actuality it was a jail for both of them and maybe one of the titans say eonar finally finds a chance to set illidan free and send him back to azeroth, who knows maybe they've been trying to break his mind this entire time without success because just how strong a will illidan has. ( Okay 3am crackhead time baby) maybe the ''crystal'' is like a dranei ship but of a very ancient powerful dranei who was travelling the cosmos by himself and crashed landed a bit too heavily onto azeroth piercing through until it finally slowed down just as it pierced the top of a cave but in doing so knocked out this being who may be struggling in a fight of light and void, so overtime as they are stuck in azeroth having this battle within, life is happening around it and on the planet and whatever events conspire to bring the arathi to the same cave and his power of light has been bursting the cave full of life energy but then the void starts to get its grip over the light every now and then and allows the creatures that make a move to emerge but she said that light usually comes back overtime but maybe not this time because xalatath is going to help push it over the edge of void.
Hmm, old gods are old Titans who slept too much in the dream, falling into a nightmare, just as Eonar wanted all the new Titans to come. Sargeras slowly learned this throughout the eons and was not on the same page as the Titans so he rebelled. He reached the conclusion that death is the only escape for life as the other options would be endlessly sleeping in the nightmare or the dream . He manipulated and took control of demons who at the time probably were the mightiest army in the universe and began his endless conquest of life, just to end its forever usage by the Titans and their overall plan. In the end we will learn that Sargeras and Illidan are one coin and their destiny is entangled in fel magic , illidan would be the vessel of Azeroth and Sargeras will be the sword . We will fight in the final raid against all the titans , the last raid of World of Warcraft would be a 4 years Saga , where we would chase and take down the Titans alongside Azeroth , Sargeras , Anduin as the avatar of light , Thrall as the avatar of elements , Alleria as the avatar of Shadow , Jaina as the avatar of Arcane , and last but not least , Illidan as the vessel of Azeroth . And as a bonus to rile up the community , Arthas as the avatar of soul .
@Pyromancer Offtopic I guees but i always wandered what happend to Varian spirit after death, why he has not shoved up in Shadowlands, and also if he is realy showing at the fight with Anduin, is he and Varok now in the Shalamayne? is it possible? Ty in advance
Could be a fragment of them, since both wielded it, unlikely that it is their whole soul (and even more unlikely that Zovaal wouldn't have realised that and/or corrupted them with it). The Light could also play a role in there, giving Anduin this vision so he can find the strength to free himself. Both spirits do not help Anduin, they only talk, reminding him who he is - and what the sword in his hand stands for.
Wait, I'm super bummd that's not the tip of the sword...maybe the sword is encased in crystal? I swear it looks too much like a sword poking through a puncture through the ceiling... maybe over time crystal has formed over it?
Anduin will probably learn the light from the arathi. It will be a strange warrior with the light in comparison to the paladins which are priests who became warriors.
I think the Holy Fire thing is interesting, and although we joke about it: might be linked to Fel Fire. Cause so far we have: Shadowflame: Void Flame Felfire: Demonic Flame Lightfire: Holy Flame Deathfire (name pending): Frozen Flame And Azeroth looks so suspiciously like Order Fire (blue-tinted fire). Now, the Deathfire might be a stretch and I honestly haven't played through Shadowlands. But with it I mean the fire that burns in the eyes of The Undeath that are under command of the Lich King. If anyone who actually played Shadowlands has a better idea: please do correct me. The only one we haven't seen is a Wild-themed Flame, but this might honestly be the original Fire. Azeroth just seems elemental in nature though, and anything can take control of those elements. If you look at earth/ores: We have Saronite & Azurite as well as Ghost-Iron Ore & Pyrite. Outland, which seems very elemental in nature as well, has Fel-Iron ore. Even Herbs have some of them tied to the different cosmic forces. Ironically: skinning wildlife doesn't seem to follow the same rules. Instead, they can get "volatile elements" from skinning beasts. This all might absolutely be a stretch, but I just like to think that there's a hidden connection here 😅
I haven't played since wotlk. But if they add a story thats interesting and fun to level through and not just a bunch of level areas with yellow markers and decent casual raiding I would def not mind paying a sub agian to check it out.
The crystal could be a representation for the state of Azeroth? Could be one more old god or being of the void manifesting within Azeroth, corrupting her ergo the changing of the crystals, I think as patches go on it darkens as a gimmick. Or could Azeroth be a being of light and void? Regardless I think it is a representation of the state of Azeroth’s world soul. 😂
I hope they return. The Drustvar are a genius addition to the lore as they represent the ecological class of detrivores, which are the bottom feeders, the organisms (fungus, insects, bacteria) that feed on dead matter, decompose it and create new life. They're creepy and disgusting, but they're very much a part of nature and not of death or shadow.
What if the Titan conspiracy is that the Old Gods did not come from the void but instead from the Titans. Like some sort of early experiment gone wrong.
Unlikely. The whole point of the WoW backround is, that reality is forged between the cosmic forces and the balance of them is utter important for that. The cosmics forces themselves are all extremes on their own, though, what leads them to want to dominate the others and take over reality - what, no matter which force would win, would be desastrous. WoW pointed at this several times, how for example the light wants to brainwash Illidan just like other forces, it is simply seen as more benevolent, but in the and is just as fanatic. The titans, god of order, also see and sell themselves as the good guys, but absolute order is as bad as absolute chaos. That's the main point. The Titans took a quite dominant place and by that managed to spread their propaganda of being the good guys more effectiv. But their sole rule would just be as bad as the rule of the other forces and they were still just as manipulative.
I don't understand how everyone in chat was like : "tip the sword blablabla" the fuck ? The arathi are here since a long time ago, the sword is recent it can't be the tip of the sword >< but the possibility of it being a naaru is pretty cool, like glowy light etc. But since xal'atath arrive in the nerubians empire, the crystal is starting to switch to darkness ? hmm influence of the void on a naaru ? :p We already saw that somewhere nah ? :p So the theory of a naaru being in the crystal is interesting yeah
It would be nice if Xal'atath was conscripting the Nerubians as some kind of fodder or distraction; or tricked them into waging war on us because she secretly just wanted them out of the way. She's fully aware we beat the Old Gods, we beat the Legion and Sargaras, and when all of this is said and done we will beat these Nerubians. Make it part of her plan. And/or let us take an L on something.
34:46 uuu swtor features clone coming over !!! verticals taken over from GW2, it was cool in dragonflight and now it will be even more warbands will be the families of swtor and with a pinch of gw2 where the progression of one is the progression of all, for reputations and renown, something asked for since forever!! So basically since just after shadowlands they've started playing all the other mmo's and cherry picking everything :) still waiting for the crafting system from GW2 where you can experiment with short medium and long hafts with whatever blades and make up crasy patterns, that in the end no one uses :)) Good to see you back Pyro, never thought you would return to cover wow :))
It feels like the Hero talent tree is them leaning in to the whole "Reskin my class" request that players have had for a long time. People want to RP their Demon Hunter as a Warden. They want to give their Paladin fire attacks. They want their night elf warriors to have astral flavoring. Whatever else.
Original Arbiter was Zovaal. Argus went to the Shadowlands, because the Dreadlords used their influence on Sargeras and his abuse of Argus as demon ressurection machine to slowly corrupt Argus with the essence of death. In the end he was corrupted enough to go to the Shadowlands, like a demon hunter corrupted enough by fel could respawn in the fel domain instead of going to the Shadowlands.
The delves and being able to modify your companion's abilities is ripped directly from ESO. I don't necessarily have a problem with that though to be honest.
Kazalgar is not silithus and that crystal is in kazalgar …not only that but There is a parallel : u got sunwell in N-E and that crystal in S-W .coincidence? Dunno
Funny that Magni never tell us any of this. Come to think of it why do we even need the Not-echo to hear the voice of Azeroth when there are diamond dwarf Minfilia?
FF14 story makes zero sense and Hydaelyn was never the planet, at best Zodiark was (whom you fight for no given reason, since you never really get any evidence that Zodiark is bad or whatever). Hydaelyn was just super Hitler who lied all the time about mass murdering everyone for no reason, then tortuing the Frankenstein monster creatures it created out of their corpses for the absurd idea that one of them could magically become stronge to beat that bird breain the original life could have easily beaten up (starting with that a single one of them had created that said bird brain, so they obviously could create something that can fight it with no problem at all). The story is just such lazy shit that it simply ingores this. It's a shallow Mary Sue story where everythig is solved with plot armor. Since Stormblood, where everything (including the gameplay) was cut down more and more, the protagonist don't even care anymore to make a plan. They just KNOW that they are invincible and can just storm in and will succeed, no matter what and of course will be seen as the good guys, no matter how much blind mass murder they commit without any clue what they are actually doing. Hell, the big end of around a decade long 'story' was, that Garlemald just falls apart 99% off screen (helps with their laziness, since they never wanted to actually write anything about Garlemald at all, even though they were clearly far more intereting - and sane - than the protagonists, actually trying to find solutions and save the planet, instead of going full Mary Sue egotour), Asians are just gone, while some random shithead you never heared anything about befoer takes over - just to die like random creep as the rest - and a magical airship is pulled out of the ass of the nation of the guys you for some reason follow (even though they are lying, manipulative bastards and give you zero real reason to trust and even less follow them), with which you just fly to the end of the universe, again without any knowledge or plan beside your plot armor. If WoW (and I played it less than FF14) would be as bad written, Sargeras would just have been a loud dude who yells about killing you, then just dying in a duell, because, well, he sucks, while your player character is super god (still having zero political or any kind of other power in game, nor a voice, nor a will, nor any kind of influence of course). Oh, sure, great writing.
@@miriamweller812 Tell me you never play the game without actually telling me. I am not gonna addressed all those nonsense but just one to prove my point that you are a waste of time and not auguring in good faith. [At best Zodiark was (whom you fight for no given reason, since you never really get any evidence that Zodiark is bad or whatever). ] : Fandaniel literally piloting it and going to kill you. Self-defense is plenty enough of reasons to fight Zodiark.
Happy to see you again in wow. Im not a loremaster, and wow had its ups and downs and some direction of the story i didnt liked and even more some of the dev gameplay decisions, but overall i thini story is somewhat good if you listen content creators or read wow books. Sylvanas and shadowland story was good, idea was good and she kinda was right and in the end achieved major goal, even if Zoval was a joke of the charachter, perhaps he lost lots of anima in the maw somewhere. Dragonflight is amazing gameplay wise and story is enjoyable, charachters actualy interesting, well maybe not some overwelmingly "soft dragons". I hope recent..... staff events in blizzard will not affect outcome of next 3 expansions
A lot of questions and hype floating around, so let me clarify: Pyromancer IS RETURNING to World of Warcraft to follow the new lore, check out The War Within when it releases, and maybe even play current retail to get caught up on what he's missed. However, he is NOT leaving Final Fantasy 14 - the story, world, and setting is every bit of Azeroth's equal, and he intends to continue his journey in Eorzea alongside his return to Azeroth. Thirdly, it has always been the case that he streams and speaks on the games he enjoys, which means that variety, one-offs, and other diversions will also continue. In his own words, for example, he plays more OSRS in his off stream hours than FF14 and WoW combined!
That being said, there's obviously a lot of focus on World of Warcraft right now as we're all excited about these new announcements and the promise of the story moving in a healthier and more interesting direction. I would look forward to a lot more World of Warcraft content in the coming days, but I wouldn't be surprised to see gameplay and coverage of other titles as well. Whatever happens, you can be sure I will be here to bring it to UA-cam for those who are unable to watch it on stream live.
Pyro may be releasing a video to speak on this more directly, but until then - thank you for the support, everyone! We love the WoW community AND the FF14 community! We're really excited at and grateful for the enthusiasm and can't wait to see you in Azeroth, Eitherys, and beyond.
- Editor Jay
Thank you I appreciate it. I’ve been a fan of pyro for so long and truly missed him. You are a great guy man you made my nights during legion that more epic with you’re lore talks. Come back and do the wow community a service WE all deserve
Jay knows the info people want
Who are you? Lol
Every ff video he does has average 3k views and the wow videos are doing incredibly well for him, so why not.
I'm the editor! I literally signed with it! 😂@@LordKamos777
To be fair - if they could implement the "night and day" cycle in the Hallowfall, where during day there is a peace and chill, and when it changes into shadow/night - enemies become aggresive, new ores/plants spawn, events and treasures etc - it would be awesome and something new. And make it like - 1 hour light, 1 hour night cycle or something similar.
Warframe Deimos vibes. I'm with it.
This is a fantastic idea
Im just stoked that after so much frustration that Pyro's had with their story, and how much passion he clearly has for the property that Metzen comes back and writes Pyro a strait up love note. Watching him get teary while Metzen presented was my favorite UA-cam video this week...
I may personally be a lot more hyped for Dawntrail than The War Within, but you have way more energy here than you did on the fanfest reactions. Love to see it! Who cares what the game is, good to see some big gears turning from you
10 years of xiv and I'm on the fence for dawntrail.
It's just not the same game anymore, it's gone from an MMO to a public sex chat room for weirdos.
@sakiyoshidaxiv ....uh, I think that might just be who you're hanging out with/what server you're on. I'm on a server with an RP reputation, and even here the worst I see are sus emotes in limsa, and occasionally an a /shout rp event ad which advertises as 18+.
@@sakiyoshidaxiv
Holy hysterical hyperbole, Batman.
If you're looking for "sex chat rooms for weirdos", you're going to find it.
If you're experiencing anything even close to what you describe, maybe you need to seek new places to hang out in-game.
I'm also 10 years in, have been on a variety of servers/DCs, and I've never encountered anything like that.
Sounds like a self-inflicted "problem".
I think i read somewhere on WoWHead that the Arathi followed a "Falling Star" and thats how then ended up down there...which if that is the "Star" it could explain why the top looks like it busted through the ceiling.
Keeping in mind this is all just info for the release of War Within, i dont think we are deep enough for the tip of the sword yet. I imagine we will keep going deeper as the expac goes on (since there is nothing in the zones that hint to the big burning ball from the visions)
It's literally the tip of The Sword.
It's a dormant or injured Naru. Bet on it.
@@seloslav This might have happened since you made this comment, but an interview confirmed it's not the sword tip
I think its indeed a decaying Naaru. Thats why it changes to void at times, i think the influence of the blood of the old gods around the region is causing the naaru to dispair.
I really hope things are moving in the right direction
It's about gameplay we will see. I would like to see some spell and skill effects upgrades as well.
It's funny how Blizzard got this crowd of crybabies around who just create this ridiculous and sad community of clueless peopel who just love to hate on it for no reason.
Just as FF14 fans can't explain while the absolute shit story is good, WoW crybabies can't explain what is bad. And for the same reason: stubborn stupidity.
In the warcraft 3 intro cinematic, there certainly is a mix of orange and green fire reigning down from the sky.
I think it's a step above in the Light hierarchy. It's the Light's version of an Old God. There was a line in Chronicle about how shards of Light crash landed on many planets at the beginning of the universe. That sounds kinda similar to the Void Lords sending out millions of Old Gods to crash land on planets. They also said that the Arathi have an ultra zealous relationship with the Light because of this crystal.
That's actually a fair point. The crystal looks more ornate than even something like a dimensional ship (which from past experience are fairly natural looking crystal structures). I had always assumed that line was talking about world souls.
The line in question from wowpedia:
"The cataclysmic birth of the cosmos sent shards of fractured Light flying through the cosmos, suffusing the newly formed planets of the universe with the spark of life and giving birth to countless life forms, the most common of which were the primordial elementals."
Could be! Yeah that Chronicles line is referring to shards of light that flew into the cosmos which suffused myriad worlds with the primordial energies of the cosmos. This allegedly gave rise to the titans. It didn’t seem to be referring to actual crystals and we’ve never seen evidence of that before. I’m not sure if that line relates to this. We also know that this thing turns dark after time which is how Naaru behave, especially as the power of them is drained by mortals- like the Arathi drawing Light from it. Also Naaru and Void Lord are on the same power scale. If this is the case, Light Old God would not be a step up from Naaru, it would be a step down. Just as Old Gods are an alleged step down from Void Lords.
@@Pyromancer I think Azeroth IS an old god. The naming is very similar to Azathoth from lovecraft lore. He is the oldest god and the center of all things. A sleeping god in which who's DREAM all reality exists. So all the other old gods like Cthulhu and nyarlethotep are his children. Its all a little too close imo to not be this.. but they could throw us a curve ball so who knows really.
I consider the titan forms like cybermen. They imprison a world soul inside to preserve it within Order. There is such disdain of rot and decay from the titans because these represent change/chaos. They reshaped early life into stone and metal to stop decay. They do not mention protecting Azeroth as the planet, but only her energy, her soul. Sargeras is a titan and used titan designs in his legion. Eredar transfer their souls into those constructs. It is foreshadowing of the titans. The only difference between the pumps within Argus and Azeroth is the color scheme.
Why did Sargeras really revolt against the other titans? Not just what they have told us. Maybe he felt it was this order threatening to consume all.
Why would Azeroth be an Old God? It's immensely more powerful than one and why would there be multiple Old Gods imprisoned on the planet if that was the case? That'd be far too much of a drift away from what's been established already. @@riv4196
Dat Crystal is clearly Sargeras’ turtle head a-pokin!!!
Anduin,Alleria and Thrall, the trinity cycle again and also ''she's patient...that one...'''
I miss Sylvanas already so much...
I was hoping this was the swords tip, meaning, we above the surface see the evil and shadowy cursed looking blade but when it cracks through the surface, being closer to Azeroth reveals that it was a blade of justice all along, trying to reach and kill whatever Azeroth has been sealing (perhaps the void lords or titans corrupt source of power)
it is the swords tip, sargeras was aiming at the world soul
I had thought of a possible storyline being Xalatath being impressed by Alleria's mastery and resistance to the Void. Wanting Allerias strength for her side she uses the blood of the Old Gods to overwhelm her forcibly twisting her to her side. Now a void aligned Alleria is tasked with commanding the voids forces to Quel'thalas to snuff out the Lightwell. Where a heartbroken Turalyon stands with the remaining Army of the Light willing to give anything to stop the Void and save his wife. Even if his actions unknowingly lead to the Light gaining ground on Azeroth causing another equally as cataclysmic threat to arrive.
@Pyromancer Azerite was Azeroth's blood if I'm not mistaken. So what if Azeroth's blood crystalized to heal the wound the sword made (around the tip in the case of the new zone), similar to how it works with humans. The blinking in and out of the void glows could mean that the blood leaking in from the Old Gods or whatever the void beings are/have been doing is working to some extend. That could also explain the different visions people get.. some more vulnerable to the radiant song.. some more to the void song. Let me know what you think!
With Anduin off messing in the center of the world, will he go back to being King? And will Turalyon give up that throne he's become accustomed to? And with Anduin not having the light, and Turalyon thinking that the Light is THE way, how is that discussion about the throne and kingship going to go? And what's Turalyon's marriage going to go like with his wife wandering around dealing with the void. I have a lot of questions on this part, it's going to be fun to see how the story goes on (which is why I play).
Demons do indeed go back to the Twisting Nether to reform or get a new body. Illidan confirms this in the DH starter zone if you opt to sacrifice yourself to empower a portal. He tells you that you have an immortal demon soul like him and will await in the nether to go back to your body or find a new one.
Pyro why you gotta do this man. I thought you were out. Now you sucking me back into your incredible lore theories. Pls don't stop 😢
Hurts so good 😅
welcome back to warcraft happy to see you covering it again
The zones being near pandaria, and then the talk about the black blood of the old gods makes me think of Y'shaarj?
Glad to see you doing wow content again. Missed your lore and theroy videos
Good to see you back in my recommendations Pyro
26:47 after saying this they need to make a special spec for when bear druids are drunk...need to call it "Druid of the White Claw"
Been a while since I've seen your content. Will definitely stay tuned
Whatever it is, I think this is what whispered to Turalyon when he was becoming a Paladin
Its like Bo Burnham and WoW Lore had a baby
I feel Hydaelyn and Azeroth are besties. Living at the center like it ain't no thing.
Hydaelyn is a single person that for some reason got the power to went Super Hitler on its planet and all life on it and then plays a fake god to manipulate the distorted life it had created out of the corpse of all the people it murdered - and the game forces you to accept this as the good and right thing to do.
While it is not clear what Azeroth is exactly it is indeed the planet.
If anything than Azeroth is closer to Zodiark, who was created by the Ancients to give their planet a living, thinking soul that is able to fight back against the calamity and save itself and them.
Hydaelyn is just a pile of shit more insane than the Nazis and the fact the Square sells this as fine (even more because they are a Japanese company and better not look up what Japan had done during 2.WW - and no, Pearl Harbour was the harmless part...), is just disgusting.
ffxiv azeroth style ...
Anduin could become a paladin but not of the light, of Radiance for the light of Azeroth and they could make a new class based around him (complete crackpot speculation)
The 'Unbound' live in "fly-over country" and supply resources to the "city-dwelling" Earthen who adhere to, and are dependent on, the State.
Speaking of similarity to oribos, i did actually notice alot of similar shapes in the designs of the earthen that can be found alot in oribos, the cubic shapes the same color of brownish orange and zig zaggy lines
Hey Pyro. Long time no see. Glad you cover WoW again. Nice to have you back
I'm pretty sure it is the sword, but they're not saying it because it's a part of the story. But also, if that's like their sun, then it would have had to be there for a while and can't be the sword. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
Hey Pyro, will you be putting up a reaction video to the part with Ion as well? :D
oh im def thinking its the sword. and the raid directly underneath its trajectory will have lore implications. Just on placement alone you can tell what ever it is. Sargaras wanted destroyed. IS it a lock or maybe a tumor.
I van see anduin becomming a true paladin, but not of the light, but imbued by azeroth itself. Sort of a prismatic knight
What is the hatching process of a Titan? When we "return to Northrend" in The Last Titan, why do I feel like it's going to be a floating continent in the Twisting Nether by that point?
I know its been a while since talked shop about lore stuff (This is Aluneth)... But didn't we talk during Legion/BfA about how killing the Old Gods and letting the blood seep into the earth would/could make its way to Azeroth and corrupt her?
@pyromancer so does this mean that with Alleria Windrunner being officially named Void Hunter and in the WoW Midnight we are unifying all elven kingdoms... would it be a stretch to say that blizzard is setting up either a completely new class or a 3rd spec for Demon Hunters?
ok but like we use the light and the void. they're not gonna delete the priest class after these expansions are over
Hmm so my first tgought about that crystal that got stuck there is... Could it be one of the spears of light? (From Chronicles, iirc)
Maybe the sword went through part of the Azeroth titan, wounding it and its covered in its blood which like solidfied on it
Maybe the sword is corrupting the crystal? It seems to have been there significantly longer than the events which took place around a certain stabby fallen titan.
Big crystal reminds me of Oshu'gun in TBC Nagrand.
5 years of lore speculation announced. Let’s hope Pyro doesn’t get disappointed again after half a decade.
the delves seem like eureka in FF14 i loved world boss trains and map treasure hunts all that was epic that place was fun AF to explore and it all was tied to your Legacy weapon for the expansion
34:32 - It also isn't even new to World of Warcraft. Tons of outdoor content has used player scale systems since Mists. Scenarios too, I believe, were 1-3 players
i was thinking the starting cinematic or one shown at blizcon for one of the future xpacs will open to the seat of the pantheon with the titans but then it moves over to illidan chained up, like maybe they knew illidan was too powerful and too big a nusiance to leave on azeroth so they found a way where he ends up leaving with them to help ''protect'' sargaras when in actuality it was a jail for both of them and maybe one of the titans say eonar finally finds a chance to set illidan free and send him back to azeroth, who knows maybe they've been trying to break his mind this entire time without success because just how strong a will illidan has. ( Okay 3am crackhead time baby) maybe the ''crystal'' is like a dranei ship but of a very ancient powerful dranei who was travelling the cosmos by himself and crashed landed a bit too heavily onto azeroth piercing through until it finally slowed down just as it pierced the top of a cave but in doing so knocked out this being who may be struggling in a fight of light and void, so overtime as they are stuck in azeroth having this battle within, life is happening around it and on the planet and whatever events conspire to bring the arathi to the same cave and his power of light has been bursting the cave full of life energy but then the void starts to get its grip over the light every now and then and allows the creatures that make a move to emerge but she said that light usually comes back overtime but maybe not this time because xalatath is going to help push it over the edge of void.
Hmm, old gods are old Titans who slept too much in the dream, falling into a nightmare, just as Eonar wanted all the new Titans to come. Sargeras slowly learned this throughout the eons and was not on the same page as the Titans so he rebelled. He reached the conclusion that death is the only escape for life as the other options would be endlessly sleeping in the nightmare or the dream . He manipulated and took control of demons who at the time probably were the mightiest army in the universe and began his endless conquest of life, just to end its forever usage by the Titans and their overall plan. In the end we will learn that Sargeras and Illidan are one coin and their destiny is entangled in fel magic , illidan would be the vessel of Azeroth and Sargeras will be the sword .
We will fight in the final raid against all the titans , the last raid of World of Warcraft would be a 4 years Saga , where we would chase and take down the Titans alongside Azeroth , Sargeras , Anduin as the avatar of light , Thrall as the avatar of elements , Alleria as the avatar of Shadow , Jaina as the avatar of Arcane , and last but not least , Illidan as the vessel of Azeroth .
And as a bonus to rile up the community , Arthas as the avatar of soul .
Id like to know the difference between saronite and this dark old god blood. I mean, yogg saron was an old god, right? Is there any difference?
Wish we could get a single player warcraft game in the cinematic art style
We’re underground…it’s the sword’s tip.
With Anduin, perhaps a sunwalker wolf be more down his path😂😂
A Naaru in the tip of Sargeras' sword?
Better lore than the jailer.
@Pyromancer Offtopic I guees but i always wandered what happend to Varian spirit after death, why he has not shoved up in Shadowlands, and also if he is realy showing at the fight with Anduin, is he and Varok now in the Shalamayne? is it possible? Ty in advance
Could be a fragment of them, since both wielded it, unlikely that it is their whole soul (and even more unlikely that Zovaal wouldn't have realised that and/or corrupted them with it). The Light could also play a role in there, giving Anduin this vision so he can find the strength to free himself. Both spirits do not help Anduin, they only talk, reminding him who he is - and what the sword in his hand stands for.
I’m hoping Anduin has a chance to regain the Light but chooses not to take it (similar to how Illidan rejects Xera).
Wait, I'm super bummd that's not the tip of the sword...maybe the sword is encased in crystal? I swear it looks too much like a sword poking through a puncture through the ceiling... maybe over time crystal has formed over it?
I thought it was the tip of the sword penetrating into some sort of hollow world.
Anduin will probably learn the light from the arathi. It will be a strange warrior with the light in comparison to the paladins which are priests who became warriors.
I think the Holy Fire thing is interesting, and although we joke about it: might be linked to Fel Fire.
Cause so far we have:
Shadowflame: Void Flame
Felfire: Demonic Flame
Lightfire: Holy Flame
Deathfire (name pending): Frozen Flame
And Azeroth looks so suspiciously like Order Fire (blue-tinted fire).
Now, the Deathfire might be a stretch and I honestly haven't played through Shadowlands. But with it I mean the fire that burns in the eyes of The Undeath that are under command of the Lich King.
If anyone who actually played Shadowlands has a better idea: please do correct me.
The only one we haven't seen is a Wild-themed Flame, but this might honestly be the original Fire.
Azeroth just seems elemental in nature though, and anything can take control of those elements.
If you look at earth/ores: We have Saronite & Azurite as well as Ghost-Iron Ore & Pyrite.
Outland, which seems very elemental in nature as well, has Fel-Iron ore.
Even Herbs have some of them tied to the different cosmic forces.
Ironically: skinning wildlife doesn't seem to follow the same rules.
Instead, they can get "volatile elements" from skinning beasts.
This all might absolutely be a stretch, but I just like to think that there's a hidden connection here 😅
Because fire is cool because it burns.
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Do you think Illidan will be back? Last time we saw him was with the titans.
Fun stuff. Still skeptical. Will wait and see.
Why would the tip of Gorshalach be full of holy light though?
its the tip of the sword plunged in to azoroth
Were back!
I haven't played since wotlk. But if they add a story thats interesting and fun to level through and not just a bunch of level areas with yellow markers and decent casual raiding I would def not mind paying a sub agian to check it out.
Season 2, Reno Jackson! We're gonna be rich!
The crystal could be a representation for the state of Azeroth? Could be one more old god or being of the void manifesting within Azeroth, corrupting her ergo the changing of the crystals, I think as patches go on it darkens as a gimmick. Or could Azeroth be a being of light and void? Regardless I think it is a representation of the state of Azeroth’s world soul. 😂
Could that crystal be what Sargeras was aiming at? maybe thats whay its been losing its light.
The colour scheme and appearance of the crystal is so SIMILAR to the purified crystals of Drustvar.
I hope they return. The Drustvar are a genius addition to the lore as they represent the ecological class of detrivores, which are the bottom feeders, the organisms (fungus, insects, bacteria) that feed on dead matter, decompose it and create new life. They're creepy and disgusting, but they're very much a part of nature and not of death or shadow.
Hey pyro and fans, anywhere im able to watch pyro blind ff7 playthrough?
Huh. I thought it was the tip of the sword.
That’s the tip of sarg’s sword
Azj Kahet is like Menzoberrazan
These new earthen remind me of the Cultus Mechanikus from 40k... then again Warcraft was suppose to be originally long long ago. A Warhammer 40k game.
could fel just be a corrupted version of Holy Fire?
What if the titans try to lightforge Sargeras and Illidan stops it
Pyro back on WoW?!
Last bit of motivation to jump back in the next xpac.
Go ducks! Just went to the cal game last weekend. What was the last game you went to?
That crystal is the tip of the sword
What if the Titan conspiracy is that the Old Gods did not come from the void but instead from the Titans. Like some sort of early experiment gone wrong.
Unlikely.
The whole point of the WoW backround is, that reality is forged between the cosmic forces and the balance of them is utter important for that.
The cosmics forces themselves are all extremes on their own, though, what leads them to want to dominate the others and take over reality - what, no matter which force would win, would be desastrous.
WoW pointed at this several times, how for example the light wants to brainwash Illidan just like other forces, it is simply seen as more benevolent, but in the and is just as fanatic.
The titans, god of order, also see and sell themselves as the good guys, but absolute order is as bad as absolute chaos. That's the main point.
The Titans took a quite dominant place and by that managed to spread their propaganda of being the good guys more effectiv. But their sole rule would just be as bad as the rule of the other forces and they were still just as manipulative.
I don't understand how everyone in chat was like : "tip the sword blablabla" the fuck ? The arathi are here since a long time ago, the sword is recent it can't be the tip of the sword >< but the possibility of it being a naaru is pretty cool, like glowy light etc. But since xal'atath arrive in the nerubians empire, the crystal is starting to switch to darkness ? hmm influence of the void on a naaru ? :p We already saw that somewhere nah ? :p So the theory of a naaru being in the crystal is interesting yeah
Well well well, looks who's back covering WoW content. Guess who called it when he "quit" a while back.
Its where the sword impaled
No… think about it it’s been there for centuries the wrath I used it as a source of light long before the sword happened
Give us masculine, badass stories again and we're in. It's that simple.
It would be nice if Xal'atath was conscripting the Nerubians as some kind of fodder or distraction; or tricked them into waging war on us because she secretly just wanted them out of the way. She's fully aware we beat the Old Gods, we beat the Legion and Sargaras, and when all of this is said and done we will beat these Nerubians. Make it part of her plan. And/or let us take an L on something.
34:46 uuu swtor features clone coming over !!!
verticals taken over from GW2, it was cool in dragonflight and now it will be even more
warbands will be the families of swtor and with a pinch of gw2 where the progression of one is the progression of all, for reputations and renown, something asked for since forever!!
So basically since just after shadowlands they've started playing all the other mmo's and cherry picking everything :)
still waiting for the crafting system from GW2 where you can experiment with short medium and long hafts with whatever blades and make up crasy patterns, that in the end no one uses :))
Good to see you back Pyro, never thought you would return to cover wow :))
Evolved Nerubians like drow
Pyro will take candle! :P
azeroth is the true light. sargeras is the link between light and void.
Wow Pyro back!????
Maybe Sargeras hit that crystal thing with the sword
That is possible.
Thats the tip of the sword I think? 🧐
It feels like the Hero talent tree is them leaning in to the whole "Reskin my class" request that players have had for a long time. People want to RP their Demon Hunter as a Warden. They want to give their Paladin fire attacks. They want their night elf warriors to have astral flavoring. Whatever else.
Argus was the original arbiter? hence why his soul went to shadowlands?
Original Arbiter was Zovaal.
Argus went to the Shadowlands, because the Dreadlords used their influence on Sargeras and his abuse of Argus as demon ressurection machine to slowly corrupt Argus with the essence of death. In the end he was corrupted enough to go to the Shadowlands, like a demon hunter corrupted enough by fel could respawn in the fel domain instead of going to the Shadowlands.
The delves and being able to modify your companion's abilities is ripped directly from ESO. I don't necessarily have a problem with that though to be honest.
Kazalgar is not silithus and that crystal is in kazalgar …not only that but There is a parallel : u got sunwell in N-E and that crystal in S-W .coincidence? Dunno
Funny that Magni never tell us any of this. Come to think of it why do we even need the Not-echo to hear the voice of Azeroth when there are diamond dwarf Minfilia?
FF14 story makes zero sense and Hydaelyn was never the planet, at best Zodiark was (whom you fight for no given reason, since you never really get any evidence that Zodiark is bad or whatever). Hydaelyn was just super Hitler who lied all the time about mass murdering everyone for no reason, then tortuing the Frankenstein monster creatures it created out of their corpses for the absurd idea that one of them could magically become stronge to beat that bird breain the original life could have easily beaten up (starting with that a single one of them had created that said bird brain, so they obviously could create something that can fight it with no problem at all).
The story is just such lazy shit that it simply ingores this. It's a shallow Mary Sue story where everythig is solved with plot armor. Since Stormblood, where everything (including the gameplay) was cut down more and more, the protagonist don't even care anymore to make a plan. They just KNOW that they are invincible and can just storm in and will succeed, no matter what and of course will be seen as the good guys, no matter how much blind mass murder they commit without any clue what they are actually doing.
Hell, the big end of around a decade long 'story' was, that Garlemald just falls apart 99% off screen (helps with their laziness, since they never wanted to actually write anything about Garlemald at all, even though they were clearly far more intereting - and sane - than the protagonists, actually trying to find solutions and save the planet, instead of going full Mary Sue egotour), Asians are just gone, while some random shithead you never heared anything about befoer takes over - just to die like random creep as the rest - and a magical airship is pulled out of the ass of the nation of the guys you for some reason follow (even though they are lying, manipulative bastards and give you zero real reason to trust and even less follow them), with which you just fly to the end of the universe, again without any knowledge or plan beside your plot armor.
If WoW (and I played it less than FF14) would be as bad written, Sargeras would just have been a loud dude who yells about killing you, then just dying in a duell, because, well, he sucks, while your player character is super god (still having zero political or any kind of other power in game, nor a voice, nor a will, nor any kind of influence of course). Oh, sure, great writing.
@@miriamweller812 Tell me you never play the game without actually telling me. I am not gonna addressed all those nonsense but just one to prove my point that you are a waste of time and not auguring in good faith.
[At best Zodiark was (whom you fight for no given reason, since you never really get any evidence that Zodiark is bad or whatever). ] : Fandaniel literally piloting it and going to kill you. Self-defense is plenty enough of reasons to fight Zodiark.
Happy to see you again in wow.
Im not a loremaster, and wow had its ups and downs and some direction of the story i didnt liked and even more some of the dev gameplay decisions, but overall i thini story is somewhat good if you listen content creators or read wow books. Sylvanas and shadowland story was good, idea was good and she kinda was right and in the end achieved major goal, even if Zoval was a joke of the charachter, perhaps he lost lots of anima in the maw somewhere. Dragonflight is amazing gameplay wise and story is enjoyable, charachters actualy interesting, well maybe not some overwelmingly "soft dragons". I hope recent..... staff events in blizzard will not affect outcome of next 3 expansions
Void hunter?I New hunter spec perhaps?! :D
whats the blood of the old god?
Probably Prophet Velen Crashed ship again