Wing Chun vs Boxing: Can you use trapping against a boxer
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- In this video, self-defense instructor Kevin Goat demonstrates how to use Wing Chun's trapping skills to defend against a boxer. Goat explains the key principles of Wing Chun's trapping techniques and shows how they can be used effectively against a skilled boxer. He also covers the importance of footwork and body positioning in a Wing Chun vs a Boxer in a self defense situation.
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I feel all styles have a benefit to offer, wing Chun included....but.. let's not get ahead of ourselves. Boxing is the KING of punches.
Yes I am a JKD guy and this guy understands and explains from experience how to use the different styles from kicking, punching, trapping, ground fighting and there perspective ranges within that style being effective through the progression of each. Bruce Lee and I quote if you can’t finish the fight in 60 seconds or less you have no business fighting. I like this guy he is good, we can learn a lot from him!
Still I don't totally agree with him. Boxing is no ordinary combat sport. Boxing would have overcomed soccer in terms of sports though fighting isn't everyone's cup of tea. That's why, it is far behind the track. Mike Tyson & Muhammad Ali is said to be above bruce Lee's caliber. So, I bet its quite understandable
Most definitely boxing itself is very similar to different styles of martial arts, it requires training and exercise. Boxing vs boxing in fighting size (weight and height) absolutly play a role in it. That makes a very large difference and is in reality vastly unfair for one of smaller stature to go up against another of twice their size.
However when it comes to martial arts/Kung Fu (ofcourse not all, especially those requiring gripping) some types are ment specifically for helping smaller people to take down larger people. Also not all just rely on fists, some actually tend to rather specialize in kicking which can actually be far more popular than our human arms.
It is absolutely true both Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali were fantastic and supreme fighters in their generation, I myself am a fan of both of them and have watched their fights. On the other hand I am a fan of Bruce Lee as well and have studied about him. Speaking to Lee on the set of the 1973 film Enter the Dragon, director Robert Clause recalls the actor stating, “Everybody says I must fight Ali some day…I’m studying every move he makes. I’m getting to know how he thinks and moves”. But despite his studies, Lee doubted his chances against the iconic fighter, humorously explaining, “Look at my hand…That’s a little Chinese hand. He’d kill me”.
Now you can take that as Lee being serious, or as being humorous. In all we will never truly know, but as stated and we'll known, Bruce was the father of MMA, he took parts of different types (including boxing itself which he did in Hong Kong) and added that to some of the Wing Chun he left in. Those famous kicks of his definitely are not in Wing Chun (which is 70% hand and 30% feet). Northern China tend to use more feet attacks while Southern China use more arm attacks.
Lee also happened to be extremely fast, back then when playing as the sidekick in the Geen Hornet as well as some of his own films they had to ask him to slow down his punches and kicks, the technology then simply couldn't keep up with it. I assume that wasn't very commonly heard even then.
My point is basically if they both were boxers then yes, Bruce Lee would most likely get crushed even with his speed (besides Tyson and Ali were both lightning fast themselves)! The difference is that Lee used MMA and in his case (what many don't understand) it was made to specially suit himself and what worked for him.
Boxers are tought and trained to fight against other boxers in the ring, Bruce Lee trained to take out an enemy in real life with no rules in any way possible and stepped away from the more reliance on hand combat to both hand and leg then to grappling as well.
Obviously leg has longer range and as stated before, with excessive training can do far more damage than fist.
I'd definitely say ther would still be a disadvantage for Bruce Lee do to his size, but with his multiple styles of MMA and the fact he was open to try knew things and actually studied other people (including Muhammad Ali) i think it would have been an interesting battle.
Now if it was just boxing... with no kicks.... yeah Bruce Lee would most likely get hammered.
Except getting hit in the mouth from a real puncher with knockout power!
Nah. I'm a wing Chun student boxers will win all the time. Sorry that's reality. That's why Bruce incorporated other various forms to adapt.
The shots will fly in and retract really fast. What most boxers were taught to either cover up ( very suboptimal ), parry and counter back with a hook or use head movements and footwork to dodge, these actions are the fastest thing a trained human can do while being under stress if we're just talking about upper body defense only
Feint and kick to the groin
As a boxer I'd have to agree that head movement and footwork are the best ways to actuate proper defense, and what most boxers focus
Yes like always these Bullshido guys waste our time trying to show their art is actually working...But always against an opponent that attacks slowly, leaves his arm extended for 5 seconds. GET REAL PEOPLE GET REAL !
Iv been practicing boxing then i go out to spar other system. In my exp. The important is the footwork and your range. I always use my angles. Then i go 1 - 2 and It works abt. 90%. Im a southpaw btw
I have been a recreational boxer for 15 years, these drive me crazy 🤣. I still can't block/evade every combo thrown at me after 15 years (not possible to do so lol), how the hell is someone going to learn how to not only block and evade every shot, but also trap, seems vary unrealistic. Love to see a live fire spar session with a boxer throwing mix combos of 3-5 punches against this. Just cover, Bob and slip out, this will save you more head trauma hahaha 😂
Most decent boxers are not just going to stand in front of u and throw punches. They'll also be incorporating head movement, feints,and footwork.
Maybe WC can be more effective if u also train for those scenarios....I see some potential. But I'd really like to see you do some medium sparring with a pure boxer who wouldn't just allow u to take off on him like that.
This shit burns me up. I feel like the only wc guy in the world that boxes. I see these videos and I'm like "it ain't going down like that". These guys gotta get out here and spar
Against a boxer in a real Fight, ill kick his nuts
I use this stuff to close the distance until I can grapple. Trading punches with trapping? no way. Trap one arm for a split second to push yourself into the opponent and throw him? Easy money.
@@danielschulz7391 I agree. It's actually why I want to learn wrestling and other bits of grappling.
So won't we all !!!
If you put a boxer in a different field like MMA, I'm really sorry to tell you your boxing ant shit. Corner only Los to Floyd "because they were boxing and Floyd is a better boxer".
The only thing boxing can beet is another boxer!
Most boxers would not just stand in front and throw straight punches and then pause when they get hit. They are going to move, throw strong punches from different angles and that would easily overcome wing chun techniques. Also, boxers retract their punches making it hard to block if not trap punches. I know from experience from practicing wing chun and found how ineffective it was.
Exáctamente, los bloqueos son buenos, pero no deben usarse como herramienta única de defensa, tienes que moverte y cabecear también, igual cuando hace el agarre por la cintura, tienes que moverte tú mismo, no esperar a que el otro caiga en tu agarre.
True, used to practice some wing Chun & karate years way back unless you have at least half the combat I.Q. of ipman or Bruce Lee incorporating all those moves fluidly in midfight on the fly, it really doesn't work in real life some thing as simple as boxing with it's sweet science is very practical & more effective in real life fighting. Muay Thai is very effective also.
I spent nearly 10 years with Wing Chun. My instructor said exactly same things as the video.
Did 10+ yrs or karate plus some kick-boxing beforehand.
Really enjoyed the coordination training and has helped my reflexes. But it did not add much to my striking game.
I did try hard to incorporate it with my previous training.
The issues i found summed in one sentence. (Happy to elaborate if when i have more time)
Lack of power and overall poor mobility/distance management.
@@dariusjavidan5609 Kung Fu like wing Chun or JKD just isn't for everyone, yes it worked well with ipman & Bruce Lee but how many students do they have that achieved the same heights as they did? I couldn't think of any actually. But if you look at the other so called generic arts that everyone can do like Muay Thai, boxing, taekwondo or karate they translate & transcend so well a lot of people became good at them. These art flourish & improved over the decades.
This is why it never works. They spend years training flashy moves and scenarios and then they encounter someone who moves around them and throws combo,s and counters. All those things they trained go out the window.
I have practiced Kung-fu for 14 Years ( Praying Mantis Style) and Boxing for 1 Year and a Half and I can Say with certainty that Boxing is clearly superior to Kung-fu:
- Boxing is the Discipline with the most immediate and rapid defense;
- Boxing has the best guard setting;
- Boxing has the best footwork ( compared to any discipline);
- And also Boxing is the Discipline that is learned first and is the most direct and more realistic for a physical fight.
Very-very nice video: good resume of the subject and rarely heard honesty, but without jeopardizing the intended message. We need more of these! Really great; respect!
Wing Chun's enemy is not the punches. It's the foot work and head movement. A good boxer recognizes the trap and uses a step on the 2 or head movement. You throw into an empty space. Wing Chun shines when you start already close like in a stairwell or a bar. But if you think you can counter and enter on a really good boxer, you're wrong.. Another thing wing Chun doesn't take into account is you don't know what will be thrown. A luve shot or break the bottom ribs will drop anyone in a fight just as good as a head shot.
Learn both arts. They both have specific purpose.
bro wing chun works on countering attacks that can come from anywhere, they are too quick a liver/ rib shot will be countered easily by a well trained wing chun fighter😂
Nice tips! Boxers are extremely dangerous for wingchun. I box aswell and can attest blocking hooks in combos consistently is not gonna happen. But that's why we train! Like he said perfect scenario the wing chun is flawless but incorporating other styles is his go to 2:56.
Yeah that's why I wanna do both Wing Chun and Sanda (Chinese kickboxing) so that one can cover the other
As long as he’s boxing in slow motion and not moving around like Mohammed Ali and most other competitive boxers, sure, you can trap a punch with Wing Chun. No problem. It is style versus style AND person versus person. To say otherwise is a comforting lie.
I think it's mostly person vs person though, because there must be people who are able to keep up with high boxing speed, and maybe develop their custom stile that "patches" the disadvantages of their chosen style/art
A good martial artist will adapt and adjust to the situation. A real fight is messy and chaotic, its up to you to control the situation and use what you can that will work.
Or get your ass kicked
Informative as always. Keep up the good work
Thanks so much! We’ll keep these lessons coming 🙌🙏
Think you basically answered the question WC vs Boxer.
By ultimately resorting to a combination of various martial arts & techniques. Such as resolving to jujitsu.
Starting off with WC then resolved to jujitsu. So on the merits alone WC isn’t a match against a Good Boxer.
Appreciate your honest assessment in this video .. refreshing. No doubt you are well rounded “fighter”.
This work so well in this demo. I feel he could have done this just as well blindfolded, also in this demo
Honestly as a boxer myself the Jab is Just a set up punch to angle the position for the next hit..you never expect to Get hurt by the first Jab these first movements are only to position your apponent knock them out trust me kicks ain't gonna save you when you can take really hard hits to body and head and even leg hits. As a boxer you are always constantly looking for an opening .bobbing and weaving makes things hard for your apponent to any kind of fighting skill. It doesn't matter what self defence technique or Combat whatever ..when you know how to break people's defence you can destroy them.. as a boxer myself jabbing is not the punch you need to be worried about...if your a boxer you understand what I mean
If it worked, pro and amateur boxing would have been dominated by Wing Chunners since the turn of the last century 😂
I've created a system that combines Aikido and Wang Chung. I did this to make sure that I could never win a bar fight. So far it's 100% effective.
Lol. You didn't have to do this. 🤣🤣🤣
lmmfao
You almost had a good fight combo Aikido & Wing Chun- But you incorporated Wang Chung and thats whats causing you to lose in bar fight.
Wankido
Make sure you repeat that twice cuz some people didn't read it correctly.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the individual applying the boxing or trapping decides whether it's effective or not.
🥊 Boxing emphasizes evasion, range control, and timing to open up opportunities to strike. Where as any kind of trapping emphasizes entering sensitivity, forward energy pressure, and framing structure to bridge, stick, deflect, grab, or strike. Trappers apply leverage or other energy advantages over position and free movement...
Both ranges are flexible and can transcend each other when applied by a skilled individual...
Professional boxers probe, pressure-in, hold, tie-up, block, angle, cover, push/pull and manipulate their opponents heads, arms, and body space whenever necessary and when the opportunities present themselves.
Learn to make your adjustments from open hand, to small gloves, to large gloves, and go up and down the ladder if you want a real feel for what you can work and feel comfortable with.
Stop relying on stereotypes and lack of personal experience to form your opinions. Go practice your trapping while you box/kickbox/wrestle or practice MMA. Or go box a Thai Boxer, wrestler or, MMA fighter or just try going against another boxer who uses some trapping... 👊
Thank you Kevin... realistic info from a skilled fighter!!!
Not exactly related to this video but if you watch breakdowns of boxers like George Foreman ( latter years) and Roberto Duran you'll see lots of trapping and framing being used . Not Wing Chun per se' but the principles carry over
Nice video! I tried Wing Tsun once. To be honest, I didn’t like the stances (Boxers and Judo guys have very good ones) nor the punching. But I 100% agree it’s not the style, it’s the person, the mix of mind set and training.
While it is great that Bruce Lee demonstrated wing chuns intercepting fist...he also says do not under estimate boxers. I was in karate before I join boxing in 2008. Boxing may look boring when watching it but when your the one in the ring you'll feel the difference between whos noob and who's not.
By far my favorite channel. Thanks Kevin!👍🏻
Interesting, I’ve never studied Wing Chung I do Kali. But putting these styles together seems ideal.
I think it would be great to put on some gloves n headgear. Everyone seems to think boxing rules the cage n streets.
I am afraid not that simple. One the main weapons of a trained boxer is his foot work, body and head evasions. Power, cardio and ability to take a punch. Put that all in the mix and your video will look differently.
He won't do that .....like actually having a real boxer , free sparring .....won't happen because all thes what if's .....
First self-defense person have ever heard on UA-cam give good advice.
He said run away.
That is the best advice, 99.9% of the population of this planet cannot use the techniques professional who's been training for decades users like second nature.
Thanks for sharing. Appreciate your energy.
Good points thanks Sir
Great content.
The thing is boxers and most fighter's retract there punches as fast as they throw them. And as they retract at the same time another strike is coming. You would have to accurately predict where the next strike is coming from. Three or more strikes a second is hard to work with that way. Let alone if someone throws in a kick or something.
Thanks
You know two hands to block one hand is stuip
Think about position
THANK GOD SOMEBODY FINALLY SAID IT!! I have always known this for years! It should be common sense! At the end of the day its never about style! It is incredibly important that you learn about yourself first, meaning, what you can do and what you cannot do. Any style of fighting is simply an IDEA. You are the individual who takes it and gives it form, which means your form can either be good, or not so good. Then comes the application of the skills you have acquired, which again, circles all the way back to knowing yourself!
I always like to compare this sort of thing with a professional basketball player. Every one of them is playing the same sport, using the same ball, same goal height, etc. They all practice skills, dribbling, passing, shooting, etc. But they are not all equal when it comes to showcasing their skills in real time, during a game. Even if you put them all on the same program, some will be exceptional, some will be good, some will not be soo good. This is individual ability and is apparent in literally anything you do in life, including martial arts.
Well said 👍👍
I can feel the KMA force being quite strong here. Somehow just by watching MMA has helped many established this confidence.
I personally would use Wing Chun like how boxing is trained. I've trained in boxing on and off since the age of 16 and I'm 45 and Wing Chun has always had an interest to me regardless of the Gen Z weenies nowadays talking crap about everything non MMA or sport fighting.
This is a very good point. I've long known that old style pugilism/early boxing, looks very similar to wing Chun in many respects. Most people do not train Wing Chun in any kind of real fighting aspects. If you took boxing & didn't do any kind of realistic sparring, boxing would be just as useless looking as most Wing Chun is
great content! love the point of it being person vs person rather than style vs style.
it really doesn't make sense to compare style vs style in terms of whether one works or not bc there is just no objective medium to do so. anything can work depending on the context (fighter, weapons, setting, opponent, etc.) and thus its illogical trying to prove that a martial art doesn't work. its a lot more practical to talk instead about how easy it is to make each style work (which of course is correlated to how much success has been seen by its users)--or HOW applicable it is, rather than whether or not it IS applicable
Dan Lok has a video like this too. Wing Chun VS boxing. He said "it's stupid to argue about different martial arts". Best thing to do is learn from different martial arts instead of saying which is the best, at the end he also said "that's what Bruce Lee did he experiment different martial arts".
Great teaching-- awesome!!!!! Thanks
Excellent video. When Kung Fu was invented they did not know about western boxing. Kung fu is excellent against telegraphed punches but a good boxer is not predictable.
The technique is great as long as the boxer is compliant.
"She said it hurt like crazy and I have no idea why" -Mai Long Dong
VERY ENLIGHTENING
Problem is u don't know when the combination is coming. Boxers can feint a jab and watch you react. They can probe with that jab, etc. Then he can change angles on you. Footwork and rhythm is the unpredictable part of that style. Watch somebody like lomanchenko or a European boxer that uses their backfoot and dictate the range and exchange. Best thing to do is go mixed style and try and grapple when u can somehow predict when he commits on a combo.
Boxers are hard to close range on. Because of the footwork and feigning. You never really know when they commit so u can fire off counters.
This is nonsense. Everyone should watch One armed boxer vs wing chun master on UA-cam. I have yet to see fancy trapping like this work in a pressure testing situation. You might get the occasional grab the guarding arm and drag it down to strike like in boxing and Muay Thai, but that's about it.
I do agree this sequence is nonsense. However the One armed boxer vs Wing-Chun master fight on youtube is not a good representation of Wing-Chun, since both Ding Hao and Yu Changhua are frauds. There is no evidence based connection from their Wing-Chun to Ip Man at all, for all we know they might have only watched the Ip Man movies. Even the One armed boxed said he believes Wing-Chun works whenever it is trained properly like often in Europe.
That fight was totally unfair, the boxer was allowed to use one full arm
as i may understand you correctly wing chun as shown uses underarm to block / attack and maybee fist in close so you loose lever and speed against the boxer. So timing to block with wing chun is not that easy because you block very close to your body. I like your comments about that
Well said.
The best tactic of wing chun aghast boxer is to run
Yea, and make yourself look stupid on the ring
What happens if the guy your running from is faster and cracks you in the back of the head
@@seekerofknowledge78 Try flying.
That's the truth, depending on fighter , timing and size
I would like to see you sparring with some boxers with full speed and like 30% power. IMO these kind of blocks are beaten by feints. You have to be very calm and masterful to be able to block punches consistently.
Interesting stuff but I'm unconvinced untill I see some sparring.
YES! You can use trapping against the boxer. It is one of the strengths of Wing Chun. BUT!! The follow up should be a fully loaded power punch from the ground up. NOT A SLAP, like what most Wing Chun demonstrations do!!
Sorry friends but the true is in a fight you never going to know what he is going to throw, is easy when you know what they are throwing.
With recoil striking and speed of a real boxer your timing has to be incredibly advanced ,so its not practical it would be better to cut distance from an outside gate then to try to stop a 2 punch combo while entering..
The representation of how a boxer punches is way off. It's why the this strategy wouldn't work, the commitment shown in this video shows how a non boxer throws a bunch and it's. clear where the boxer's weight is. This movement/counter requires over commitment of weight distribution, something you'd rarely see from a boxer, even while doing MMA.
Duran used a lot of these kinds of techniques. Moving the opponents arms around controlling them.
Then deliver destruction.
A street fight isn't like state sanctioned championship boxing.
Completely different.
Develop an instinctive reaction and good speed too.
I believe it could work, but yeah you must train under stress, full contact sparring situations to learn how to make it work
Wing Chun guys generally do not have almost any chance against good boxers. The boxer's advantage is in strong effective punches, great footwork, ability to avoid punches with body movement (giving boxer immediate opening), stamina and learned timing. The reason why traditional wing chun will lose is lack of real fighting and very bad footwork. They are waiting for opponent to attack and are usually unable to close distance and attack themselfs. I am speaking based from my own experience when I sparred with them years ago while doing shotokan karate. When they train they are usually already close to each other and with their hands touching each other. In free sparring They have nothing to surprise you with and are waiting for your mistake. It is very very difficult for them to actually impose their close distance style on somebody who has a good footwork. Wing Chun guy will try get closer but I am not there anymore. Second later I am able to counter attack with strong punches from middle distance. If you have good timing they are never able to trap your hands. There was one guy who I knew who was able to use wing chun efectively and kind of create his own effective style but he had a lot of karate sparring experience from before and knew how to close distance. Most of the wing chun guys are living in their dream world and it is actually type of bullshido as are pretty much all styles of traditional kung fu. They will do anything to avoid real full contact sparring. Of course there are exceptions. Wing Chun people think that they have unpenetrable defense but believe me they dont and you can get them with uppercut or hook or anything. One time I remember how one was trying those short quick punches and I just landed left hook and the fight was over. That said some principles of wing chun are definitely worth considering. Just one more thing - the bad footwork makes them very vulnerable to takedowns as they dont know how to avoid them.
What if you do both? I'm sure the trapping techniques must be helpful in some cases
@@sasino That one guy was actually pretty annoying to deal with once he got closer and I have seen him to be able to overwhelm people who did not know him with his hands. So yes I would agree with you.
Doesn't work like this. I'm not trying to be that guy but I've boxed for almost 15 years, had a chance to go pro but didn't for reasons. I still box and spar with fighters who are on top rank and showbox. I've also studied wing Chun for 15 years. It does not work like this. Your best option to take the fight to them by attack at the same time and getting in on the inside. Once you're in, that's where wing Chun works the best, the clinch range. You're going to get punch in the face and touched up every time if you try to trap on the outside. You can't be last in a fight, you have to be first.
I love wing Chun so much and I love boxing the same. Please guys, pressure test your wing Chun. Get in there and fight and spar, get beat up, learn how to take a hit, learn how to give one. You'll learn very good spacing and footwork from boxing. Boxing isn't wing Chun enemy, it's the nail in the coffin for your opponents. Once you finish up learning wing Chun, go box. Like for real, like at a hood ass gym where the guys do this for a living. You'll learn so much.
Looking at most comments below, it has become an argument on who will win a "free-for-all" boxer or WC. Do remember that despite a boxer's devastating punching power, endurance, speed, evasion, and footwork, a boxer's fists are nearly useless in the street without their meticulous wraps and huge gloves. The great Mike Tyson broke his hand punching bare-knuckled in a street fight.
Yeah a fight he won against another trained fighter far from useless.
What I see mostly was a boxer punch in slow motion and the other guy was defending the very slow punches. Well that every one can do but put a real boxer in front of ur self and try to defend the punches in real time I would like to see that.
무술에서 distance는 그 무엇보다 절대적인 것이다. 하지만 이 영춘권사가 해법을 내놓으려고 시도하는 것 자체가 긍정적이다. 그게 필연적으로 기술의 실용성과 현대화에 좋은 발전을 가져올테니.
Some good points here but trapping in my humble opinion, is more applicable as a weapon defense in a battle against, armed combatants or while armed, and against others welding weapons, both blunt or edged, whilst holding a shield and a weapon or with two weapons.
Kuen sui kuen techniques, are the best techniques a wing chun practioner can use against boxers or even just, an attacker throwing good punches with bad intentions.
The bong sao can also be useful, but a seriously good striker, is not going to stand flat-footed in front of someone and is going to have head motion and strike and clinch/ pummel, over, under and around. Just my take, I'd love to see someone using trapping with 8oz MMA sparring gloves, in a less choreographed
scenario, but I have yet to see pure wing chun trapping, used in any combat sports.
Thanks for showing this JMoore
What I am missing from a lot of those exhibitions is how to act when your initial attempt fails. What happens if you miss your first control and you get punched in the face? What do you do? This is not specifically directed to this video, but in an actual fight, you will get punched. How do we deal with that? Let's assume the other person isnt a horrid fighter either, they know how to throw a punch and put up a basic defense. And they land the first blow...
You want to use bk boxers. Mainstream boxers often bust open their knuckles when they use it in a real situation. Gloves cause boxers to not care where they hit as much.
Wing chun works against boxers. I have knocked down two good boxers in sparring using wing chun and the vertical fist.
100%.. dudes just dont know lol
If I get trapping range of boxer I’m using knees elbows and head butts I going use more than punching and if I’m in his jabbing range I use destructions to render his jab and cross and hooks and upper cut useless
@Rodney Wilson
You have obviously never set foot on a mat or a ring in your life. Stick to computer games!!
@@dermotegan7696 that’s just it I’m talking about the street not sports where there are no rules buddy where I can even bite or eye to poke I’m pretty sure it’s hard to trap with boxing gloves but you can trap with mma gloves they trap all the in ufc but I’m talking mainly about street combat
And by the I was part of Paul vunak organization and we do street combat not sports and I have been on the mat and did full contact wing chun under Anthony arenett in full contact combat who is a wing chun instructor under William chueng and we fight several different styles as well
A good boxer would position his feet and body angel to angel! it won't be a one two with a good fighter.. it be fake a puch step to the side and overload 5-6 punches for the take out 👊 and it will be done over and over with great power and speed to end a fight soon as possible!
You CAN make make Wing Chun work against boxing, but it's just so much easier to make boxing work (though both pure arts fail against MMA). Sticking to Wing Chun while boxing/MMA exists is like rowing a canoe with a plastic fork when you can just use an oar.
He will retract his punches fast using also head, foot and bodymovement. Any if these WC moves would work in reality....
haha my first spar at a boxing gym, I trapped my partner's glove under my arm as they were too slow to retract
I get what you're saying but I think it would have been better to do it while the boxer retracts their fist and moves around. I think that would have been more of an effective demonstration.
When I was a kid I trained wing Chun and it's great for exercise but for fighting it's useless. MMA style (jeet kun do) and muy Thai would destroy most kung Fu fighting.
An experienced boxer would tear up a wing chin fighter
maybe an experienced boxer would tear up A wing chun fighter but not an experienced wing chun fighter
There really aren't any experienced wing chun fighters. It's a practice, not a combative sport. You go to a boxing gym and get beat up. You go to learn wing chun and it's 90 percent philosophy. And for self defense.
Peekaboo style boxing is different to normal boxing because your always bobbing and weaving it's more harder to keep your center line when the boxer is constantly moving I've been boxing for years and even though any other martial arts have there strategies and techniques to do certain manuevers you need to be accurate because as a boxer it's constant combos that keep them going not just one punch also fakeys are dangerous aswell because you wouldn't know if it's just a set up to get a quick knockout
A slick speed boxer that uses great mobility will avoid a lot of wing chun traps .
person vs person not style vs style, yu almost never hear ppl say this, it needs to be understood more widely. style vs style is clickbait, its always person vs person!
This doesn't factor in boxing footwork/pivots, angles, steps etc
Which is what boxing thrives on with defense
Parrying, bobbing or weaving, body shots, holding/clinching
Boxing relies heavily on rhythm, so you also punch not only in an attacking manner, but an evasive or counter punching manner too.
The technique will work if you spar with real time speed using the technique but without sparring you will never understand the timing because it is just to fast and powerful
I am disappointed with another boxer video going bare fisted but using gloved techniques. Manny Sombrada has a lot of vids on barefisted pre Marquis de gloved boxing. Even modern “bare knuckles” boxing is not truly bare knuckles like the guy in this video. English martial arts and Hema have several vids about how old time bare knuckles fighter boxed. Imo, the principles are much closer to WC and JKD than modern gloved boxing. Even in MMA we find smaller gloves are no defense when held up to our cheeks. We need technique like elbow shells to break fists of boxers and then follow through with WC. Please consider the weaknesses of gloved techniques without gloves.👍
Just like he said doesn't matter What type of martial art your using it difficult to counter Boxing, that's why FMA and other martial arts is mix with boxing because it's to dangerous to counter fit the style of boxing lot of practitioner like me uses a lot of boxing skills maybe because the style unpredictable.
But i see many winchun practitioner dont cover themself..they just throw the rolling punch like crazy..
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It is style vs style. Wing chun vs boxing. And it's also man vs man. Wing Chunner vs boxer. One is limited to wing chun techniques, the other fully using boxing techniques
Broken rhythm, non telegraph attack, footwork, feints , principles that come from boxing , fencing and then JKD, is the reason this art was abandoned by Bruce in the latter stages of his development. When you possess those attributes, you don’t need to trap. But yes, practical on a crowded subway, crowded elevator. Try trapping boxer Ryan Garcias or Floyds jab and you’ll see what I mean.
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Comme souvent les jobs et cross ne sont pas donnés comme ceux d'un vrai boxeur, avec déplacements, esquives et feintes de bras. Je pense que c'est très difficile à mettre en œuvre face à un boxeur qui enchaîne les coups à vitesse réelle. Cordialement.
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Wasn't that Ip Man 2 or 3?
Every boxer would shot fast, retracting quickly the fists and keep distance. Trapping or defending against boxer fists is impossible and it’s not the way wing chun is meant. Wing chun only works on closed distance keeping contact with offender’s arms. The way to close distance is only one: act first and close the gap. If the boxer retract his fists, you should better avoid conflict, unless the boxer is not that good, or try to use a different style meant for middle distance. I love wing chun and I have practiced for years, but that’s a sad truth, is not a complete style and works only in some scenarios for self defense.
Love the Chanel, love the content , person vs person for sure. Great stuff Kevin 🤟.
From what I have seen from Wing Chun over the years vs boxers .Is wing Chun practices always presume boxers are not going to use foot and head movement .At school I did boxing .Some guy did Wing Chun .He was like look at my 100 knockle whacks .I said I would not just stand in real life .After you got a shot I would move my head or feet or both then counter punch .People forget Bruce Lee studied western boxing , wrestling , Judo , karate and. Even fencing .He was not convinced it was the ultimate martial art .
if your punch is weak , you aren't punching right
close range or not
Wing Chun that looks like Wing Chun is not Wing Chun. All Kung Fu can't be seen, it must be felt. Only by crossing hands will you know if someone's Kung Fu is good.
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Wing chin works…..in the movies. In the street, a proper boxer wipes the floor with a wing chun person.
Sensei kevin. So it always seem were looking to defend ourselves were possible, but what about if a bunch a guys are just trying to rip you off??how about giving up some money your watch, jewelry. Whatever and throw it to the ground and hope they fight for it, find daily f**cking run like hell.
Good Luck trying to trap or grab a punch. If fighters way better than you cant do it, maybe the premise is wrong?
I disagree boxing is the best striking art out there. Speed the defence,head movement. This is not realistic
Running away is no good some people will chase you I would go in for the finish
Can we see this in regular speed with a real boxer and no choreograpy 🤔