Italian Destroyers of WW2
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- Опубліковано 5 кві 2022
- An overview of the history and specifications of the Italian destroyers that fought in WW2.
SOURCES:
Bagnasco, E. (2021). Cacciatorpediniere classe "Soldati", 1937-1965.
Brescia, M. (2018). Cacciatorpediniere classe "Navigatori".
Giorgerini, G. (2001). La Guerra Italiana sul mare, La marina tra vittoria e sconfitta 1940-1943.
Stille, M. (2021). Italian destroyers of WW2.
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The men of the Italian navy worked very hard for what they all have! And the success in convoy escort was excellent! Excellent video again!!
An excellent and very informative presentation.
Thank you for the appreciation!
Long missing informations about italian ships! Please more.
Very cool destroyers. I'm very fond of the Leone class.
An excellent presentation very good article at Commando Supremo as well. Great work
Many thanks!
The RM had some very beautiful destroyers, i wish some model manufacturers made some in 1/700 scale.
Imagine what 6 Italian destroyers could have added to Axis naval punch in the Black Sea, when one considers how effective the mini-submarines and torpedo boats were...but there was almost no way to get them there...
Sold them to Romania, which would meant guaranteed access to the Black Sea via Montreal treaty
Thank you for a very excellent video.
Giulio, Just returned home from a three week vacation and am catching up on presentations which I have missed of which this is the first. Another great presentation on the basic details of Regia Marina destroyers in WW2! Regards, Bob
Another big thank to you Bob!
Very nice and bravo. Thank you!
Very keen to see a video on the anti-submarine side sometime.
Thanks! For the ASW you can read the article in the description for the time being
@@Italian_Military_Archives will take a look :)
Hello !! I have a slightly off topic question; maybe you could help ?
Firstly, I am a model ship builder- 1:700 is my scale.
Trumpeter Models has just released a 1:700 scale Russian Destroyer TASZHKIENT- which was built in Italy for the Soviets.
Upon delivery to USSR, many Soviet sailors referred to her as "The Blue Cruiser".
Would you know which color blue was used by Regia Marina/Italian Navy yard when TASZHKIENT was built ?
There is conjecture within the modelling community about this, and I am hoping you might know something in particular, or could surmise a particular color of RM paint when she was delivered to her navy in 1940.
Btw, there is a GREAT new book called Warships of the Soviet Fleets, 1939-1945, Vol. 1. This is by far the most comprehensive book on the subject I have ever seen, printed in English, anyway....
It is well worth the price. I paid $60. USD at Naval Institute Press- as I am a member- regularly it is $100. USD.
I think Pen & Sword handles it for Great Britain & Europe, if I'm not mistaken....
Thank you, chief & keep up the great work.
Maybe that could be another subject for an upcoming video ? Soviet vessels that were built in Italy 🇮🇹 ?.....
Again, thank you !!
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Thank you very much for this video. The history of the Regia Marina is often undertold and I find it so interesting.
Thanks for the appreciation! The fact that RM history is undertold is what led me to do this videos! Let me know what you think of the others!
What do you think was the main cause of the stability issues of the Italian DDs before the Maestrales? Could it have been the weight of the dual gun mounts? Or mostly due to the poor beam and length, as you mentioned with the Maestrales?
The sources mainly refer to the weight distribution, especially those on the superstructure. But also the hull design
Esploritoti awesome way to say scout
Thank you.
I find it very difficult to understand why Italian destroyers had such low rates-of-fire. I think that really handicapped them when they had to fight British destroyers, especially Tribals.
In comparison with which ships exactly though?
"Handicapped" thats harsh, considering the 8 rpm most italian destroyers had, wich is comparable with many similar destroyer except the u.s dds, japanese dds had at avarage 9 rpm, british 120mm about 10 rpm, french destroyers from 6 to 7 rpm, and USSR dd's 8 rpm on their 130mm.
Also theres to consider the fact italian guns of ww2 mostly were presented with their actual avarage rpm, unlike the laughable figures some other nations used for their guns, like germany's 128mm """"18 rounds per minute"""".
If theres a peculiarity of the guns that could be considered a handicap is the single sleeve, but certinaly not the rate of fire.
Also, italian destroyers rarely gun fighted the british tribal class (wich were among the most powerful destroyers anyway), they mostly fought j class and h class, HMS Mohawk, a tribal class for example was sunk by an italian destroyer torpedos (Luca Tarigo's).
Keep in mind games like warthunder do NOT account for cyclical rate testing vs sustained. Compare the minisini on Russian ships which had a SLOWER ramming mechanism compared to the modernized Italians but were otherwise unchanged from the older ones on Italian ships.....they have a higher fire rate than even the modernized guns because Russia used cyclical rate and Italy used sustained rof. Irl the rof of Italian DD varied due to crew training. Some could probably make upwards of 10-12 shells a minute for short periods while others maybe only 6. They were two piece ammunition with hand ramming the us army used to run 152 mm guns with the same style ammo at around 10rpm. The Americans/UK/ijn probably all used autoloading. The difference is like the NATO/Warsaw difference. I.e. Abrams can actually fire much faster than an autoloader with a good crew but with a bad crew who knows.
@@TheAngelobarker Japanese 127mm did not use autoloading though, neither did most british 4.7 inch, they were simply a bit better guns in comparison with italian 120mm with a mildly better ROF since they were intended also to be used for AA, but that surely did not make italian guns handicapped in comparison.
@@TheAngelobarker But that doesn't explain the difference between those and other hand-loaded guns like the German 12,7 cm, which is rated at 15-18 rounds/minute, while Campbell gives the Italian 120 mm/50 at 7 rounds/minute.
I'd like to see Italian sources on the rate-of-fire, but I've never seen any.
The British QF 4.7 inch gun did have power ramming in the twin mounts and was rated at 10-12 rounds/minute, but even the hand loaded version was rated at 7-10 rounds, while the Italian 120/50 is rated at 6-7 rounds.
What about the ltalian navy cruiser
I briefly talked about them in the naval policy video. In the future I will cover them in more detail
More than 20 italian destroyers could be used for fleet duties though, while its true they were not optimal for it they still did it , many Folgore class for example, and Malocello and Vivaldi were technically escorting cruisers at Pantelleria, so still fleet duties.
About the apparent "lack" of italian destroyer AA i think it should be put into context, almost every italian destroyer by late 1941 had 8 20mm put on it, wich when put in comparison with simirarly big ships IMO dosent seem that bad, british G, H, and I class destroyers by 1942 mostly had 8 12.7mm and 2 oerlikon 20mm, japanese dds all had worse AA even in early 1943, USSR and french dds also had quite bad AA.
The number "20" refers to those ships that could "effectively" operate with the Littorio class battleships and Cruisers, this is also reported by Giorgerini. Other destroyers could be used to escort the rebuilt dreadnoughts but they were less and less used since early 1941, Exceptions made for the convoy escort operations of late 41 early 42, but these were convoy escort operations thus they did not require sustained high speeds. Regarding the AA armament, the claim that it was "insufficient" comes from the poor AA effectiveness (not real dual purpose) of the 120 mm complexes, given the role assigned to those ships
@@Italian_Military_Archives In fairness, the British 4.7 inch guns were not true dual-purpose guns either due to limited elevation.
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Folgore e 2 delle sue navi sorelle furono usate a Mezzo Giugno, che che fu combattuta nel 1942, e non era una difesa di convogli.
Riguardo L' AA , contesto , contesto, le uniche nazioni che avevano un buon numero di cacciatorpediniere con cannoni principali a duplice impiego era il regno unito e U.S, se si parla di insufficenza di caccia con cannoni a duplice scopo é piú una carenza della piattaforma in sé del cacciatopediniere, che in specifico dei caccia italiani, persino il Giappone non aveva un buon cannone DP prima della classe Akizuki del tardo 1942, i 127mm dei caccia nipponici precedenti non erano assai migliori dei 120mm nostrani, ma comunque migliori di essi.
@@dariomasi9 Non sto dicendo che gli altri fossero tutti meglio e non sto dicendo che i CT che non fossero Maestrale-Oriani-Soldati non abbiano scortato le FNB, ho infatti usato il termine "effectively"
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Ah allora scusa.