SIBLING RIVALS -- 2025 Subaru Forester vs. Subaru Outback: Comparison

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  • Опубліковано 3 лис 2024

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  • @CarConfections
    @CarConfections  4 місяці тому +4

    Are you looking to buy a Subaru Outback, Forester or any new vehicle? Go to carconfections.com/new-car-quotes/ to get the BEST price and access to invoice pricing information!

    • @yamaha642
      @yamaha642 3 місяці тому

      Is there not a Touring trim on the Outback? Should bring the price closer to the Forester

  • @thomasb.1124
    @thomasb.1124 4 місяці тому +57

    On 3rd Outback. 2 over 200,000 miles with no issues 21 with almost 100k already. I feel the outback rides better and is quieter. Plus I like the longer cargo area. Average over 33mpg. Always almost 600 miles to a tank is awesome for traveling.

    • @MrPootzen
      @MrPootzen 4 місяці тому +2

      hybrid Outback would be even better!

    • @movieclipscobrakia9971
      @movieclipscobrakia9971 4 місяці тому

      How about cvt save

    • @steve8803
      @steve8803 4 місяці тому +9

      ​@@MrPootzen sounds like he does mostly highway driving, in which case hybrid is not worth the extra upfront cost.

    • @markwetty2269
      @markwetty2269 4 місяці тому +6

      I have had two Outback’s and one Forester, liked both but the Outback is a bit quieter and feels somewhat premium.

    • @thomasb.1124
      @thomasb.1124 4 місяці тому +2

      @@markwetty2269 Agree I do feel it’s more premium.

  • @madcolor
    @madcolor 4 місяці тому +16

    Viewer Tip: When reviewing a car like a Forester (or any Subaru or AWD vehicle).. The reviewer should always say: "I'm 5'10"." Then get into the back cargo area and lay down and sit up (if possible). There are a ton of us who consider these vehicles for car camping. It'd be nice to get a sense of how that feels.

  • @KimKirchner-i6j
    @KimKirchner-i6j 4 місяці тому +24

    Great comparison!We were headed towards the 2025 Forester, but after test-driving a 2024 Outback XT, we changed our minds!

    • @Zanderthelab
      @Zanderthelab 4 місяці тому

      You didn’t even try the forester…

    • @sandhill9313
      @sandhill9313 4 місяці тому

      @@Zanderthelab The turbo XT Forester? Where I live turbo is a near must, so Forester does not enter the discussion...🙂

  • @nopalez100
    @nopalez100 4 місяці тому +22

    I would have loved a comparison between FULLY loaded Outback and Forester... I really enjoy and appreciate your content.

    • @KastkingAngler
      @KastkingAngler 4 місяці тому +1

      Just bought a 2025 Outback Touring XT. It has all the features of the Forester except for the 360 camera.

  • @KNRS927
    @KNRS927 4 місяці тому +13

    I've always liked the Outback and with the Forester shooting up in price this latest redesign being almost identical to the Outback in price, I'd easily go Outback.

  • @joeanunez
    @joeanunez 4 місяці тому +38

    Bring the Turbo XT engine back to Forrester!

    • @scottanthony3426
      @scottanthony3426 4 місяці тому +4

      Yup. I have a '14 and am looking for an eventual replacement. (I say "eventual" because nothing has quite hit the spot on other SUV's I've been trying out.) The modern XT Outback is not the old Forester XT in an Outback body. In addition to the 250 HP turbo 2L, the Forester XT included bigger wheels/tires, bigger brakes, a sportier suspension, and special XT front fascia. It has "sport" and "sport sharp" buttons on the steering wheel, to easily access those modes. While the current Outback XT uses the 2.4 L and puts out a little more power than my 2L, Outbacks are about 400 lbs heavier than Foresters. They did NOTHING to improve the suspension on the Outback XT's vs the regular 2.5L Outback. And, there is only a single sport mode, which is buried 2 screens deep on the clunky user interface touch screen. I was disappointed when I drove it, and didn't feel like the penalty in gas mileage was worth the cost, given the underwhelming performance and features. And BTW, Car Confections kind of glossed over the acceleration, but IMO, the 2.5 in the Forester is barely "adequate". It is fine around town, but once you need to accelerate past 50, it really shows its lack of punch. In the heavier Outback, it's even worse, and something I definitely felt. (I drove a '24 Forester 2.5 back-to-back with both Outback drivetrains on the exact same route.) I hope the hybrid packs a little more punch. I can tolerate my next one not being quite as quick as my XT (especially if the mpg is significantly better), but I could not see having another 10 year relationship with a Forester that is packing the wheezy 2.5L drivetrain. Toyota has managed to make the RAV4 hybrid accelerate better than their gas only RAV 4, so I hope Subaru follows suit. It will be interesting to see what the hybrid is, and how they manage it with the Symmetrical AWD. The old Crosstrek hybrid was really mild and provided very minimal benefit.

    • @AntilleanConfederation
      @AntilleanConfederation 4 місяці тому

      @@scottanthony3426if you want to try a good outback try the wilderness.

    • @sandhill9313
      @sandhill9313 4 місяці тому

      @edysinsimon8646 me two

  • @lindathomas2407
    @lindathomas2407 4 місяці тому +3

    You two do a great job on these comparison videos-showing what you’re talking about and the point system really help clarify the differences. Keep them coming!!

  • @sethsensaboy3524
    @sethsensaboy3524 4 місяці тому +5

    Wife had a 2018 Forrester touring reserved her a 2024 Forrester. While waiting for the Forrester I ended up with a 2024 white outback touring 2 weeks later we canceled the Forrester and she got a 2024 outback limited....in white

  • @m3rdpwr
    @m3rdpwr 4 місяці тому +1

    I bought a slightly used 2023 Subaru Outback touring XT 3 months ago. Three big things that I wanted that the Forester didn't have, was the updated infotainment with wireless play, the turbo and ventilated seats. The new Forester takes care of two of those things, which is why I believe we will be trading in my wife's old Nissan Rogue SUV for the new Forester next year, possibly a hybrid model.

  • @fregion4
    @fregion4 4 місяці тому +16

    One reason not to buy any of Subaru's current model, based on my experience as an owner of a 2024 Outback and 2019 Forester, is the 12-inch touch screen that controls almost everything. Touch screens rely entirely on sight, making it nearly impossible to build muscle memory like with physical controls. They're often slow and require taking eyes off the road, increasing the risk of accidents. Using them often requires taking your eyes off the road or constantly shifting your focus between the screen and the road Carmakers are willingly ignoring the fact that things can go south in a blink of an eye.
    Tech is good but it has to be implemented in such a way that controls are accessible and purpose fit. I will reiterate: touch screens lack tactile feedback and rely entirely on sight and you either have to constantly shift focus between the road and the screen or stare at the screen which is clearly not fit for purpose nor accessible. Also the position is seated far below the driver's line of sight which increases the driver's response time when operating the touch screen. In a UI/UX perspective, Subaru and automakers who do the same thing will earn a failing grade. More on this is how bad the implementation of AC controls are and I can summarize it like this: cramped and buried. Cramped on a tiny portion of the screen and buried the remaining controls under menus. Remember, things can go south in a blink of an eye.
    If you chose a trim that has the driver monitoring system, it will scream at you for fumbling on the screen which is them sort of penalizing you for how bad they have implemented things.

    • @cyndiecityify
      @cyndiecityify 4 місяці тому +1

      Absolutely agree with you !! I worry about being in a situation where you need defrost asap . I definitely wish both had actual knobs .

    • @davidrenwick6334
      @davidrenwick6334 4 місяці тому +5

      @@cyndiecityify i understand and share your concerns as i don't like relying on the touchscreen for most climate controls but defrost has its own physical button

    • @davidjym
      @davidjym 4 місяці тому +1

      Most cars have stupid large touch screens nowadays. I much prefer the current 2024 Forester interior.

    • @zoneundertop
      @zoneundertop 3 місяці тому +1

      At night changing controls on screen is highly dangerous, focus needed, contrast change from road to screen all takes time away from watching road especially in adverse conditions strong winds, unfamiliar roads or rough bumpier, potholed filled or pedestrians all around.

    • @SMBowers
      @SMBowers 3 місяці тому +1

      I agree that touchscreens in vehicles seem dangerous but maybe the passenger could help the driver out but of course there is not always a passenger.

  • @bruceobrown534
    @bruceobrown534 4 місяці тому +3

    Hi ya - I enjoyed this comparison, however, comparing the 25 Forester Touring to a 24 Outback Premium might not be a fair comparison. The 25 Outback (when it is released) might also have all the same features as the Forester for which you gave the extra points. IMO, you should have waited until the 25 Outback was released and do a true comparison between the 25 Outback Touring to the 25 Forester Touring. Having said that, I currently own a 23 Legacy Touring XT and have a 24 BRZ tS being delivered in August. The BRZ will be my 10th Subaru having previously purchased 2 Foresters, 5 Outbacks, and 2 Legacys. I'm kinda 'sold' on Subaru. Thanks for this comparison - stay safe and healthy!

    • @CarConfections
      @CarConfections  4 місяці тому

      Thanks! Our review of the 2025 Outback is posting in a few days, there are no meaningful changes

  • @adamrenissance3322
    @adamrenissance3322 4 місяці тому +1

    I chose the Outback and three years later I am very happy. I got the Limited with the 2.5 and I am averaging 31.1 mpg real world driving. My Subaru Outback is the first time I could afford a luxury car. I know Volvo owners will not like that. 1997 was the last time I bought a new car so I did a lot of comparison shopping. I chose it over the Honda CRV. Incidentally my daughter chose the CRV. I also chose the Subaru over Nissan Rogue, Toyota RAV4, Mazda CX5, and the Volvo CX60

  • @grantbenjamin5808
    @grantbenjamin5808 4 місяці тому +10

    The rear seat windows on the Outback roll down all the way. The rear seat windows on the Forester only go down ⅔ of the way.

    • @бредлит
      @бредлит 4 місяці тому

      Вы садитесь на диван через окна?

  • @RScottNH
    @RScottNH 4 місяці тому +5

    I like the fog lights on the Outback better than the Forester.

  • @jetskiwu
    @jetskiwu 2 місяці тому

    Since I wouldn’t get the turbo either way I went with the forester. The car I had before was a 2016 forester and I just really liked how spacious the cabin felt on the forester over the outback (especially with the moonroof). IMO both cars are great and really worth looking in to. I would just say it’s important to actually sit in the car and see which one you like the feel of better.

  • @darlene19668
    @darlene19668 14 днів тому

    Bought an outback …love it

  • @patrick-rb3ul
    @patrick-rb3ul 21 день тому

    First Outback 2024 Base. Three previous Base model Foresters. Simply very capable vehicles with Safety in mind for this owner. By choice, the Base models suffice! Thanks for posting!

  • @TerryClare
    @TerryClare 22 дні тому

    Love my 2025 Outback Premium. My 2014 Forester went to my niece. I won’t go back to a Forester. The Outback has a smoother ride.

  • @michaelmooney1474
    @michaelmooney1474 2 місяці тому

    Outback
    Reclining back seats.
    Not much recline,but what a great place to be.
    I've had both.
    Love them both.
    Great car / especially considering the price point.

  • @prgonzas
    @prgonzas 2 місяці тому

    Best comp. Thanks

  • @CAMPFIRESKY
    @CAMPFIRESKY 4 місяці тому +16

    The new 2025 FORESTER looks like a FORD and not a SUBARU. Very sad.

    • @lordvadore1960
      @lordvadore1960 4 місяці тому +1

      I agree. Which is why I'm looking at purchasing the 2024 Outback Onyx Edition or Wilderness. I love the ground clearance in the Outback Wilderness Edition.

    • @davidjym
      @davidjym 4 місяці тому

      I care more about car company rather than their designs.

  • @kevinW826
    @kevinW826 4 місяці тому +1

    My wife hates wagons, that’s ironic since she is from South Africa and wagons are a big seller, so I need to try and sell her on the outback as my next car. Should be fun.

  • @braddruehl6786
    @braddruehl6786 4 місяці тому +3

    I've always loved the Outback, but the base engine is underpowered and I don't want a turbo. The new Forester has some nice additional features (360-degree camera, ventilated seats, larger screen), so I would wait until next year and get the hybrid Forester for more power and better fuel economy.

  • @GrappIer
    @GrappIer 4 місяці тому +3

    If the Forester had the turbo that would be my choice, without that it's just too slow it felt a bit sluggish trying to pass on highways during road trips.

  • @NDT-hw7nr
    @NDT-hw7nr 4 місяці тому

    Going to the dealer tomorrow for my first Subaru.. I have a Scion FRS and love it. Tomorrow i'll either drive out with an Outback or an Ascent! Probably an outback though!

  • @vlj1133
    @vlj1133 12 днів тому

    I would not give the Forester a half point for having larger wheels. If anything, I would deduct a point for that. On an SUV built for comfort, fuel economy, and a bit of offroad ability, smaller wheels with taller sidewalls are always better. Also, giving the Forester a half point for a hybrid system that hasn't officially been announced yet and definitely won't be available this year or any time soon is rather silly.

  • @automobilecentral342
    @automobilecentral342 4 місяці тому +1

    Funny story, in Japan, the Outback offers a digital guage cluster, but again, not available for US models. F
    However I am still going for an outback being the fact that I own a 2020 outback

  • @CRVgarage
    @CRVgarage 4 місяці тому +2

    Does blind spot system beep on the new Forester to alert the driver??
    Honda, mazda, hyundai, kia, chevy offer the audible beep.

  • @tomdfrog
    @tomdfrog 4 місяці тому +1

    I always break it down to people...if you want Cargo Room/flexibility...get a Forester. Its taller roof makes easier filling with bulky cargo. If you want people comfort/luxury...get an Outback. I love my Outback XT Touring...but will be taking a hard look at the upcoming Forester Hybrid. With so many miles behind me with the 2.4l turbo, I dread ever going back to the 2.5l. Hoping the hybrid bridges the power gap enough to make the Forester a contender for me.

  • @sumbiz00
    @sumbiz00 3 місяці тому +1

    Why didn't you compare the Outback Touring to the Forester Touring? Seems you were choosing on price but the Outback Touring has more features than the Forester Touring.

  • @garynewcombe910
    @garynewcombe910 4 місяці тому +3

    I much prefer the Forester but it’s crying out for the turbo.

  • @PureLotusPond
    @PureLotusPond Місяць тому

    I live in a cold area. I wear gloves for half the year. I wonder if I can operate the touch screen while wearing gloves? If not, I would have to take off my gloves every time I need to use the tablet, which would be annoying.

  • @alexiiperez7036
    @alexiiperez7036 4 місяці тому +1

    Was thinking of getting a forester 2025 but when I saw it at the dealership, I went for the outback 2024 instead.

  • @alanabcd
    @alanabcd 4 місяці тому +2

    I love my outback

  • @pukthewizz
    @pukthewizz 4 місяці тому +1

    Love the outback xt version swings me away from forester

  • @tedboggs4569
    @tedboggs4569 4 місяці тому +1

    Why did you give points for larger, heavier wheels which will require more expensive tires on the Forester?

    • @davidjym
      @davidjym 4 місяці тому

      Because bigger is better in America

  • @ryanfrisby7389
    @ryanfrisby7389 4 місяці тому

    Excellent comparison guys!😸😸

  • @sansin6250
    @sansin6250 3 місяці тому

    Which one will be better as a canyon carver, such as in California?

  • @leslieviner
    @leslieviner 2 місяці тому

    Test drove a 2025 Forrester yesterday. The only downside I found was the uncomfortable headrest! As a shorter driver, it hit my head high and forced my head forward. Has anyone had this experience? We could not figure out how to make a necessary adjustment. Is there a remedy to make this more comfortable. It may be this little ‘con’ that discourages me from choosing the Forester. Otherwise, loved this car!

    • @hrundgren4352
      @hrundgren4352 Місяць тому +1

      It is supposed to snap back if you pull it forward. There are detents to pull it forward and after the last detent it snaps back into the rearmost position and should be clear of your head. Did you try that?

  • @jimwilliams7136
    @jimwilliams7136 Місяць тому

    Traded in my 9 year old Legacy for a 2025 Outback Tourinng XT. I wouldn't trade my XT for anything else on the road.

  • @juanseaforth5111
    @juanseaforth5111 4 місяці тому

    Excellent comparison. Thank you!!

  • @USNAVDC
    @USNAVDC 4 місяці тому +1

    Remember....there is also a OUTBACK TOURNING model also that is more expensive than the LIMITED. Nice video....both brothers are excellent speakers.

  • @DominionAnako-bb7ry
    @DominionAnako-bb7ry 4 місяці тому +2

    Love your car video 📹 😍

  • @adamrenissance3322
    @adamrenissance3322 4 місяці тому

    I forgot, after all it has been 3.5 years ago. But, I also chose the Subaru over the Chevy Equinox, and the Ford Edge.

  • @Juan_Carlos_2003
    @Juan_Carlos_2003 4 місяці тому +5

    Outback!!

  • @sfop1
    @sfop1 4 місяці тому

    I followed the link to your web page, but could not find how to get invoice pricing. Can you help?

  • @alsw3553
    @alsw3553 4 місяці тому

    Thank you!
    I have a wonderful 2018 Honda Odyssey that is just too big for my Rottweiler & I. My daughter loves her Crosscheck, but I can’t copy her🤭😅‼️

  • @karinad3987
    @karinad3987 4 місяці тому

    Will there be major changes in the 2025 Outback?

  • @michaelfredmon4748
    @michaelfredmon4748 4 місяці тому

    The Outback 2.5L engine is loud but when you try it with XT it’s a 2.4L turbocharged engine that’s very quiet and very powerful. Refer to 2020 review by Savage Geese. He complimented the great suspension and quiet XT engine. It’s still the same for 2024/25 but the infotainment has been fixed and some functions returned to knobs underneath it.

    • @steveprinty5674
      @steveprinty5674 18 днів тому

      Savagegeese is my favorite auto UA-camr. By far. ☺️

  • @kubi0461
    @kubi0461 4 місяці тому +2

    I prefer the Forester dimensions and more suv like driving position. And it finally has some tech I look for.. ventilated seats, 360 camera, digital rear view mirror option. But only the Outback currently has the reasonable engine option. The base engine just isn’t enough for either vehicle. I just hope they don’t drink oil in between oil changes like my 2013 Outback did almost from day one. Subaru likes to say that’s normal, but it’s never happened in any other brand I’ve owned.

    • @AntilleanConfederation
      @AntilleanConfederation 4 місяці тому

      Oil consumption has alot to do with proper break in. And quality oil used.

  • @darrellborland119
    @darrellborland119 4 місяці тому +2

    We have a 2020 Onyx Turbo OB...great driver...ridiculous info system. Question: should the transmission oil be changed? 65K miles...seems to be some controversy. Thanks.

    • @thomasb.1124
      @thomasb.1124 4 місяці тому +2

      Yes. I have had 2 Outbacks with Cvt and have hand them changed every 60k. Have never had cvt issues.

    • @movieclipscobrakia9971
      @movieclipscobrakia9971 4 місяці тому

      How about save cvt secret😊

    • @davidlogic1440
      @davidlogic1440 4 місяці тому +1

      Yes, the transmission fluid should be changed. I could not get it done at a quick lube place because the transmission is sealed. You will need to take it to the dealer or a transmission specialist.

    • @darrellborland119
      @darrellborland119 4 місяці тому

      @@davidlogic1440 thanks for the reply concerning transmission. The Dealer wants to do an intake cleaning too...wonder if that is a money wasting scam? Thanks.

    • @JK-sf3vg
      @JK-sf3vg 4 місяці тому

      Outback

  • @Zanderthelab
    @Zanderthelab 4 місяці тому +1

    Why did you say that only the forester had rain sensing wipers?

    • @CarConfections
      @CarConfections  4 місяці тому +1

      As equipped, yes. Touring Outback also has them

  • @nchia
    @nchia 4 місяці тому

    Outback facelift grille looks nice, but not so sure with the fogs.

  • @l...
    @l... 4 місяці тому +1

    ARB
    Automatic Reverse Braking

  • @GarlandTexasSpotter2024
    @GarlandTexasSpotter2024 4 місяці тому +2

    Can you do ascent vs Outback please?
    Also Pilot vs Odyssey???

  • @theamazinggoldfish8713
    @theamazinggoldfish8713 4 місяці тому

    We want the WRX wagon in 6 speed manual like "Mexico" is getting..... Subaru I would rather buy this than Toyota's GR Corolla hatchback but the choice is up to you.

  • @jimwilliams7136
    @jimwilliams7136 2 місяці тому

    The Touring XT has the camera in the rear view mirror.

  • @JBLynch
    @JBLynch 4 місяці тому +1

    The 2025 Forester looks like a beefier version of the Corolla Cross.

    • @davidjym
      @davidjym 4 місяці тому

      Or the Ford Explorer ...

    • @JBLynch
      @JBLynch 4 місяці тому

      @@davidjym I think the Explorer slopes more to the rear, whereas the '25 Forester seems boxier, more like it's going back to it's roots.

  • @l...
    @l... 4 місяці тому

    4:46
    SUBARU what’s hard about seat ventilation why in forester but not in OUTBACK

  • @magnoliap5824
    @magnoliap5824 4 місяці тому +2

    Wait for the 2025 Outback. They need to update that infotainment and camera. Those engines are loud. 😮

    • @michaelfredmon4748
      @michaelfredmon4748 4 місяці тому

      The 2024 Outback Touring has the 360 camera. They tested an Outback Limited against a Forester Touring. Don’t know why other than equalizing the price.

    • @michaelfredmon4748
      @michaelfredmon4748 4 місяці тому +2

      The Outback non-turbo is loud. The Outback XT turbo is quiet and very powerful

  • @Kjhgr01
    @Kjhgr01 4 місяці тому +1

    I would get the one with the 18.5-gal fuel tank. 🤪

    • @peterp9148
      @peterp9148 4 місяці тому +1

      unfortunately, it is only us spec OB with the 70 L tank (18,5 gal). in europe we get just the regular 63 L tank:(

    • @Kjhgr01
      @Kjhgr01 4 місяці тому

      @@peterp9148 😒

  • @darriontunstall3708
    @darriontunstall3708 4 місяці тому

    They both look alright!!!

  • @papatadzRN
    @papatadzRN 4 місяці тому +1

    I’m eyeing forester hybrid next year 😊

  • @juanplus3324
    @juanplus3324 4 місяці тому

    It needs to be at least 220hp, 10 speed transmission.

  • @samkitty5894
    @samkitty5894 4 місяці тому

    What was the worst car sold in America?
    Subaru 360 (North American version) (1968-70)
    The first Subaru model sold in America, the 360 had an MSRP of $1,297 and was marketed with the slogan "Cheap and ugly does it!" The 360 was a commercial failure in North America.
    They haven't improved much although the price did go up dramatically.

  • @subiesojourner777
    @subiesojourner777 4 місяці тому

    So this is a 2025 Forester and a 2024 Outback? It will interesting to see if the 2025 Outback has a big body style change like Subaru did with the 2024 Forester to the 2025 Forester.

  • @markcolley309
    @markcolley309 3 місяці тому

    I oreffer my Subaru Forester Touring Edition.

  • @aussie8114
    @aussie8114 4 місяці тому +2

    Would not buy. Windscreen cracking is likely still a problem which Subaru will decline the warranty claim.

  • @michaellewis7715
    @michaellewis7715 4 місяці тому +2

    I would like you to talk about phone sound quality both talking and listening. We have two members of our family that have Honda CRV's and both of them have horrible phone connections and a lot of road noise you can hear as they are driving. We also have Toyotas, Nissans, and Kias. None of them have this problem. Also. I would like to see the cup holders in the cars you review. They are a big deal for my family. We travel long distances and need large cups for our beverages.
    Thanks for your helpful and useful reviews.

  • @lauriealmy7073
    @lauriealmy7073 4 місяці тому

    So glad I left Fort Lauderdale for so many reasons!

  • @letzgow6110
    @letzgow6110 4 місяці тому

    It’s looking more and more like a Outback lol

  • @AntilleanConfederation
    @AntilleanConfederation 4 місяці тому

    OB wilderness 👌🏻

  • @zydrunasnormaliai6997
    @zydrunasnormaliai6997 4 місяці тому +1

    Forester

  • @бредлит
    @бредлит 4 місяці тому

    Они поменялись местами в ранге?!

  • @kenbo80
    @kenbo80 3 місяці тому

    CVT? EyeSite? Nope.

  • @movieclipscobrakia9971
    @movieclipscobrakia9971 4 місяці тому

    ❤❤❤ subaruuu

  • @larryinnova2745
    @larryinnova2745 4 місяці тому +1

    0:30 ford 😂

  • @robissonwillard7266
    @robissonwillard7266 2 місяці тому

    Hi🇸🇦

  • @paulholterhaus7084
    @paulholterhaus7084 4 місяці тому

    They are both gasoline powered........My next car will be electric.............Paul

    • @davidjym
      @davidjym 4 місяці тому +1

      good luck with EVs

    • @MrToede
      @MrToede 2 місяці тому

      good luck with theirs explosive batteries