Couple of points I might not have hit on hard enough in this video. While the overall power isn't what I was aiming for, the curve is WAY better. At around 5k I went from 12hp to 22hp! This thing actually snaps now. Look at 9:19 to see the dyno's compared. At 12:54 you can really see how that plays out in the real world. The engine is physically the same now as a CBR300 motor other than gearing and clutch. However there is something I did overlook that's holding it back. It's an easy fix too, I'll have a video on that once I've experimented with it. Also I bet if dyno'd it with the SM wheel it would be 2 or even 3 hp higher. It was done with a MotoZ tire (very heavy), heavy duty tube, rim lock, and balanced (took 6oz!). That's a pretty hefty wheel! But even now the bike is a lot nicer to ride. Throttle response is a ton better. But I will keep going, I am the guinea pig for this as far as I'm concerned. If it just crap I'll tell you, or if we can make it better but it cost a ton of money I'll tell you. I'm just trying to see if this platform is worth it or not.
Been following this...really appreciate the effort. I don't have dyno data but after an ECU tune, full Yoshimura exhaust, and high flow air filter...she runs a lot better, way better and smoother throttle response. I think a proper 350cc big bore kit is exactly what this bike needs. Here's hoping.
I feel for you... Went through something similar with my WR250R years ago. In the end I gained just shy of 2hp but in my case the little bit of bottom end I had was even less which didn't work well for the riding I was doing. After playing around with it for a couple of years I pretty much put it back to stock and left it at that. I learned that these Performance Parts companies are really selling parts and not necessarily performance.
Poor Jake, you've got to deal with all these "experts" commenting every day. What a bunch of clowns 😂, just know the majority love and support everything you're doing, I've been watching your channel since I was around 12-14 years old, 23 years old now and soon to be married. It feels like you've been a life long friend of mine at this point. Don't worry about these clowns and keep doing your thing man 👍
i got the same exhaust(thanks to you, it was so much cheaper then a yoshi and sounds awesome). and the stage 1 550 tune. and i only removed the backfire screen on my 300 rally. and it feels so different. it used to have a little lag in the throttle and sometimes almost bog. now it is there instantly . also now it pulls all the way from 0-100 km no problem. it no longer stalls when you take of randomly from a stop sign. it was such a great improvement. dont get me wrong these are all nitpicky things. the bike is great stock. but just better now lol. it was well worth the money spent. even if the numbers dont show a massive increase. how it feels to me is more important .
Hey Jake. I own a 2018 250L that has been converted to all CBR 300 parts: crank, piston, balancer, cams flywheel, ecu. And, a Power Commander V with Autotune (wideband O2 sensor). What I found is that I had to delete the oem O2 sensor (narrow band) because the factory ecu may have been trying to undo the afr I was telling the PCV to run the motor at. It was as if the settings were going towards stock the longer I left a tune in. So, with the factory O2 out of the way, and a new Power Commander O2 bung welded in, my engine runs at whatever air fuel ratio I please. Once the tune has been optimized, you pull the Autotune O2 sensor out and now there is nothing in the header pipe and flows better. These motors also love some timing advance. Make sure you tell the tuner to add some in when on the dyno. I also have been in touch with AH, and purchased/installed his +2mm piston. While it lasted, my bike felt like a DRZ w/a 3x3 and a rejetted carb. It was absolutely awesome. I would try it again but money is tight. The machine shop I used may have bored my cylinder on the tight side and the piston was damaged after 1200 miles. Oh well, my fault, my problem. Overall, it is a great bike and will keep it a 286 with some solid head work and a matching tune. If I get the chance I will get another piston from AH but for now it is a true do-all that greatly benefits from head work and a tune. Great vids. Keep it up 👍
You are amazing jake. I have been watching over 6 years now. Love the way you carry yourself and are always open about anything you encounter. BE PROUD, STAY HUMBLE, AND KEEP AT IT.#JAKETHEGOAT
The bike doesn't come lean from the factory . The bike has the most economical setting you can get from a 300 cc engine . The amount of air allowed in with the amount of gas going in keep the engine at its coolest temp possible . Its only when people altered the air intake to allow more air in that causes the ( dangerous way , toasted exhaust, crispy exhaust valve and general wear increase ) . Notice that he said in breathing better meaning opening up the air box to allow more in , is when all the crispy exhaust comes from . If you just except the power the way it comes from the factory you will get 70 to 75 mpg . If you start adding more fuel and more air your going to burn more gas faster . Why in the world would you want to decrease the mpg ? You are going to go from 75 mpg down to 50 or less and for what ? As far as running hotter any time you add more gas and more air at the same time you are going to make the engine hotter just think about it . If you think you're are going make your engine last longer by burning more gas at a hotter temp you are badly mistaken . If you leave the bike stock its going to run the coolest it can possibly run so it will last a lot longer leaving it stock . Just except the power the bike gives you and enjoy the 75 mpg and go 255 mile between fill ups and have fun along the way .
A KTM 500 really would have been such a perfect fit for you. I was shocked to find out people actually cross country them. The fact that are able to do that and make 50+ HP is impressive. Jake one day I hope you jump on the orange wagon.
That kinda sucks man. Is the rocker assembly the same? (I come from Ford's and OHC ones too) and rockers could be a slightly different ratio changing the valve opening size..
Good luck with finding the 30bhp that should be in a tuned CBR300 motor, I'm sure you'll get there before any big bore or stroker kits are needed. I've had a similar long journey getting an old 1980's 125 trail bike from 18bhp to 24.6bhp so far, and when I finally get it over 25bhp at the tyre ill say it's done, and fit a bigger engine to do the same mods to that too.
Since then I think I got it figured out. Remember the engine is physically the same. I just put a video out on Patreon on a new mod I did. I’ll have a public one up soon.
Well that's a real bummer. I am looking into getting one of these bikes and was hoping for a good result. Loving the build series even if the power results aren't there. Keep it up!
Further clarification, running same cbr cams, similar air intake. Free flow exhaust, ext. Per 550 Performance it is generating over 28hp peak power @ around 7k rpm. I appreciate this guys videos, but he does things half baked...
My guess is air intake, the 300r has the sport bike style ram intake that feeds all the air at higher RPMs disclaimer: I don't know anything about the 300L aside from your videos
The KTM 390 adventure makes 43 horsepower stock from the factory for msrp $6100. I also receive Led headlight, TFT dash, adjustable suspension, And stability control. KTM makes the best dirt bikes, period! Honda is not in the horsepower game anymore especially in less premium bikes
I agree that the KTM has more power. For sure. But try taking the KTM 390adv on half serious off-road. None of the benefits you mentioned will matter when you are cased out on the first rut or have smashed all the plastics from dropping the bike
Such a cool little tuner. I am going to go the 550 route though because Im doing hood rat stuff on a budget. Still confused on the results, because the CRF300L with the Thailand ECU supposedly make 30hp vs 27 everywhere else in the world. Im really wondering the the ECU itself is pulling fuel.
I know this video is kinda old now, but I had an issue with an exhaust on another bike. The way the pipe was internally made tuning the bike difficult. I switch my exhaust and the bike finally tuned the way we wanted it to. I know black widow is a reputable company, but their exhausts are universal and they don’t even give power figures on their site. That may be your problem?
2 things to say: - All the mods in the world won’t make it not a 300 class engine - I have a very hard time believing that bike does a 3.2 second 0-60. That’s what an SV650 does, not a 286cc dirt bike.
I own a 450L and I have ridden both. My thoughts are if you want powerful, fast bike get the 450L. People will say you need a vortex to feel the power to "uncork" it and no you don't the bike is powerful enough without the ECU. The 300L is smooth power good for technical trails more like a beginner bike. The suspension on the 450L is way better. So you pay what you get.
@@emmet_fk832 I have seen several reviews showing the 450L stall out on more technical slow speed maneuvers... I can't remember what they called it but it almost make me not want to buy it.
@@ricochetey the issue it's called flame outs you have to manage the clutch and find the friction zone that's all you have to do. I'm not trying to convince you to buy one. You do what's best for you.
@@emmet_fk832 Flameouts is the word I was looking for! It would be nice if I could test ride one. The reviews I watched seemed like they couldn't find the sweet spot with the clutch. In my opinion if a guy could master that issue it's the best dual sport as far as suspension and power.
out of curiosity, why would the 450L not be a better bike for the purpose? It's double the price and I suppose it's a proper high compression dirt bike engine and will need more maintenance and premium fuel?
Hello Jake ! i have a question abot the Dynojet. I have to only plug it, flash the ecu and remove the dynojet? and then each time i want to flash it i just have to plug it again and modify, flash ecu and remove? And the other question is that a friend is buyinga crf 300L too. If i buy the dynojet can i flash both bikes? Or the Dynojet only let me flash my bike and none other than mine? sorry for my english but i think i make my point haha. Have a great day mate, really appreciate your videos. Cheers from Chile
The pv3 dyno jet is flashing the ecu. So it doesn’t have to stay connected. You can leave it on if you want to data log or if you want to view so thing in the fly. It will pair itself to your ecu so you can’t share it unfortunately.
My guess is something intake related. Don't wanna spoil the surprise so I'll stop there 🤣 get a 550 tuned ECU and see if it makes a difference. Thier tune adjust ignition timing also.
Great vid, bit confused about your 0-60 times though. I got out my own stopwatch and counted 6 seconds in the time yours took 3. What are you measuring in these tests? Cause a CRF300 running a 3 and a half second to 60 would be amazing if it was possible!
Something's def off, my Ninja 400 struggles to get about 5sec 0-60, I think he mentioned he thinks his speedo is off and I'd say that's probably the case.
I just wonder if your bike has a power band spring like my KTM 250 SX. i took my yellow spring out and put a red spring in as well as backed out the spring tensioner all the way out. It definitely made a difference.
Quick questiorino for you, not trying to dis at all and I love your build. But what made you go for the crf300 rather than something like the ktm690smcr/husqvarna701sm or something similar?
Well one a lot of youtubers has done projects on them already. And I really wanted to see if this was worth it. Like could this be the next DRZ or something.
So, just wondering.. how can I make my 2022 crf300l higher toppled ans torque without tossing 10,000 into my bike? In buying ot because of the convenience in price..... and, can I do it in time to have enough offroad fun and go supermoto before mid summer? With Flash ecu,gear ratio, cams intake,exaust..?
If you were to buy a single bike again, and you were going to use that bike to commmute daily (top speed 70 -75 mph) and the occasional off road adventure, would you choose the crf300l (including rally) or the drz400 (any variant)? And why? This is open to anyone to answer
Enjoyed the build. Might get one for the girlfriend one day. Not enough of a change from my Drz400sm to make me want to change but for a smaller bike its appealing, just needs some aftermarket love, hopefully the cost isn't to outrageous in the end
Ah yes R&D it's always like this for me at least. Even if it is a very very similar motor but there are some minor differences it'll be some little thing you're overlooking. Good news is if you got someone who tunes them constantly then he can help a lot hopefully, you'll get there partner!
I'm sure that the same power is available to this modified CRF as a similarly modified CBR 300 would have on the same Dyno/day. Maybe Jake should look for some tuned CBR Dyno charts with the same sorts of modifications, which Id guess would be around 29-30bhp and what Id hoped to see in this video. I would also check the part numbers on the fuel injector and throttle body to make sure they are definitely the same as CBR parts. The issue looks to be in the tuning as I don't think the after tuning Dyno charts are possible with a 300cc engine. I.e making the same power at much lower rpm and over a wide rev range with next to no change in peak. It doesn't really add up?
Most inexpensive mods you feel it in a snappier throttle response. Even expensive mods will not cut 0-60 secs in half. I am old enough now and spent enough on mods that just buy them with the stock bike from factory. The future is locked ECU’s, proprietary tools and scanners. Too expensive or software dependent for backyard or small shop mechanics to modify or repair. Many Cars out of warranty too expensive to repair cuz complexities of engine. Electric is the future as plug and play vs repair.
Hey Jake, Love ur knowledge and personality 😅 Ur the best bro. Quick question, by tuning my ECU to my M4 rm1 full exhaust on my 2022 MT-07 when I receive it in 2-3 weeks, will it make a difference in power or how it runs? Appreciate you and your opinion. Love you bro. Stay safe and take care brotha👊🏾
I hate to be that guy, But that 0-60 time was not even close to accurate. I re-watched the video multiple times because it seemed like the timer was counting really slow. So i took this video and put it in my editing software so i could try and get the most accurate time and i'm getting around a 6.30 second 0-60 time. that's double what what said in the video.
Is that what it is? I had it set to time, not frames or something else. I knew it wasn't right but I did say that in the video. I not trying to act like it's that fast. That was the unit of how it was measured before so I needed to do it that way at the end. I figured it was somewhat due to the 17 inch wheels but even that seemed like it was too much of a difference. I guess I need to look at how premiere pro is setting up that timmer better.
@@TheGardenSnake No hard feelings or anything. I wasn't trying to call you out. Just thought I'd mention that the timer was off so much. I kinda wish your timer was correct though lol. A dual sport of that size going 0-60 in 3 seconds would be crazy. On a slightly separate note, Thanks for all the great content you put out. I really appreciate the lengths you go to to explain things so people can learn. Ride safe Brother.
Is there a reason why you bought a 300L rather than an SMC 690 which weighs the same and puts out 74hp stock? You said you like riding wide open but yet just put loads of hours into increasing the power.
690 is definitely heavier and I wanted to do something more realistic for the viewers. Building a $20k 690 is pretty outa reach for the average person.
@@TheGardenSnake Impossible to believe that 0 - 60 mph time even accounting for the speedo being considerably out. It should be around 7 seconds. Do another run with a gps tracking your speed.
@@Scoottoots For sure it's not actually going 0-60 that fast. I did mention that. Speedo is off due to the SM wheels and that speed jumps big time between speeds. I was I had used one of those apps or my GPS to test it.
@@TheGardenSnake Well it would sure be fun if it really was that fast... or maybe not. Much of the charm is trying to squeeze that bit extra out of these bikes. Fun stuff :-)
Hey, I would degree the cams to make sure they match the CBR specs, what if the CRF timing marks on the flywheel are different the the CBR? Symptoms look like an advanced intake. Since you have the power vision can you see or log the manifold pressure sensor? If it is reading close to atmospheric at WOT then you don't have an intake restriction problem. Anybody mentioning 35 HP needs to put the crack pipe. Any side by side off road suspension comparisons to other dual purpose bikes, I love the suspension upgrade. Great job on the vids, good for you hanging it out with real time experiments. I sub'ed to the Patreon by the way, first one ever.
I enjoy your shannagans keep up the good work on the 300l I have one my self on our UA-cam channel. If you were close I would like to ride with ya one day
Engine mods are the most expensive mods vs suspension stuff. It takes hundreds air thousand to make big horsepower. Another reason buy the horsepower stock from the factory. These Harley guys Buy an expensive Harley and need a stage 2-4 to up the power that should be from the factory. Of course, not the case with the new generation of Harley’s Pan America, Sportster S, Nightster.. they all have power to weight ratios more than Harley’s CVO’s.
Would you get more power with a different tune from 550 performance ?? After all hard to trust the first one you tried that didn’t work for ya or the second one I’m not buying a tune that gives you all that trouble having to do it multiple times an still have to send it to a expert to get it right I donot have the money or patience for that crap dyno whoever will not get a cent from this poor sorry but that’s reality
New Porsche cars are interesting. Every year another 30 horsepower, fancier electronics with improved snappier throttle. Could Porsche increase horsepower 50 each year? Yes, but why.
Couple of points I might not have hit on hard enough in this video. While the overall power isn't what I was aiming for, the curve is WAY better. At around 5k I went from 12hp to 22hp! This thing actually snaps now. Look at 9:19 to see the dyno's compared. At 12:54 you can really see how that plays out in the real world. The engine is physically the same now as a CBR300 motor other than gearing and clutch. However there is something I did overlook that's holding it back. It's an easy fix too, I'll have a video on that once I've experimented with it. Also I bet if dyno'd it with the SM wheel it would be 2 or even 3 hp higher. It was done with a MotoZ tire (very heavy), heavy duty tube, rim lock, and balanced (took 6oz!). That's a pretty hefty wheel! But even now the bike is a lot nicer to ride. Throttle response is a ton better. But I will keep going, I am the guinea pig for this as far as I'm concerned. If it just crap I'll tell you, or if we can make it better but it cost a ton of money I'll tell you. I'm just trying to see if this platform is worth it or not.
Thanks for the taking the lead...on this stuff.
Let me guess, bigger fuel injector?
Been following this...really appreciate the effort. I don't have dyno data but after an ECU tune, full Yoshimura exhaust, and high flow air filter...she runs a lot better, way better and smoother throttle response. I think a proper 350cc big bore kit is exactly what this bike needs. Here's hoping.
I appreciate TRUTH. You don't see this from most ppl on this platform, best reguards Jake!
Patreon member. What sorts of things can we expect for the 35ish hp to the wheel?
I feel for you...
Went through something similar with my WR250R years ago. In the end I gained just shy of 2hp but in my case the little bit of bottom end I had was even less which didn't work well for the riding I was doing. After playing around with it for a couple of years I pretty much put it back to stock and left it at that.
I learned that these Performance Parts companies are really selling parts and not necessarily performance.
Getting big gains on bikes is difficult, but in this instance Jake just wanted stock CBR power which would seem easy.
Poor Jake, you've got to deal with all these "experts" commenting every day. What a bunch of clowns 😂, just know the majority love and support everything you're doing, I've been watching your channel since I was around 12-14 years old, 23 years old now and soon to be married. It feels like you've been a life long friend of mine at this point. Don't worry about these clowns and keep doing your thing man 👍
You are the biggest 🤡...together with Jack...
i got the same exhaust(thanks to you, it was so much cheaper then a yoshi and sounds awesome). and the stage 1 550 tune. and i only removed the backfire screen on my 300 rally. and it feels so different. it used to have a little lag in the throttle and sometimes almost bog. now it is there instantly . also now it pulls all the way from 0-100 km no problem. it no longer stalls when you take of randomly from a stop sign. it was such a great improvement. dont get me wrong these are all nitpicky things. the bike is great stock. but just better now lol. it was well worth the money spent. even if the numbers dont show a massive increase. how it feels to me is more important .
Been running a similar setup with 550 performance stage 1.5 tune. Much better riding experience in my opinion.
Sometimes projects don’t turn out how you’d expect and that’s half the fun. Glad you were able to test it out and share the results!
Throw a CBR300R ecu on and see if that ups your HP to where it should be with the cams
Hey Jake. I own a 2018 250L that has been converted to all CBR 300 parts: crank, piston, balancer, cams flywheel, ecu. And, a Power Commander V with Autotune (wideband O2 sensor). What I found is that I had to delete the oem O2 sensor (narrow band) because the factory ecu may have been trying to undo the afr I was telling the PCV to run the motor at. It was as if the settings were going towards stock the longer I left a tune in.
So, with the factory O2 out of the way, and a new Power Commander O2 bung welded in, my engine runs at whatever air fuel ratio I please. Once the tune has been optimized, you pull the Autotune O2 sensor out and now there is nothing in the header pipe and flows better. These motors also love some timing advance. Make sure you tell the tuner to add some in when on the dyno.
I also have been in touch with AH, and purchased/installed his +2mm piston. While it lasted, my bike felt like a DRZ w/a 3x3 and a rejetted carb. It was absolutely awesome. I would try it again but money is tight. The machine shop I used may have bored my cylinder on the tight side and the piston was damaged after 1200 miles. Oh well, my fault, my problem.
Overall, it is a great bike and will keep it a 286 with some solid head work and a matching tune. If I get the chance I will get another piston from AH but for now it is a true do-all that greatly benefits from head work and a tune.
Great vids. Keep it up 👍
0:38 "Why Tune" Section
This makes me glad Jake's a Mechanic. Man is a walking, talking motorcycle encyclopaedia
You are amazing jake. I have been watching over 6 years now. Love the way you carry yourself and are always open about anything you encounter. BE PROUD, STAY HUMBLE, AND KEEP AT IT.#JAKETHEGOAT
Of Course advancing the Ignition timing can improve the power and fuel Economy as long as the octane of the fuel you are using is high enough .
The bike doesn't come lean from the factory . The bike has the most economical setting you can get from a 300 cc engine . The amount of air allowed in with the amount of gas going in keep the engine at its coolest temp possible .
Its only when people altered the air intake to allow more air in that causes the ( dangerous way , toasted exhaust, crispy exhaust valve and general wear increase ) . Notice that he said in breathing better meaning opening up the air box to allow more in , is when all the crispy exhaust comes from .
If you just except the power the way it comes from the factory you will get 70 to 75 mpg . If you start adding more fuel and more air your going to burn more gas faster .
Why in the world would you want to decrease the mpg ? You are going to go from 75 mpg down to 50 or less and for what ?
As far as running hotter any time you add more gas and more air at the same time you are going to make the engine hotter just think about it . If you think you're are going make your engine last longer by burning more gas at a hotter temp you are badly mistaken .
If you leave the bike stock its going to run the coolest it can possibly run so it will last a lot longer leaving it stock . Just except the power the bike gives you and enjoy the 75 mpg and go 255 mile between fill ups and have fun along the way .
In the age of information, ignorance is a choice...
People are ignorant...
I work at my local Ford dealership and those Broncos are badass they drive really nice.
Some smooth brains in the comments
A KTM 500 really would have been such a perfect fit for you. I was shocked to find out people actually cross country them. The fact that are able to do that and make 50+ HP is impressive. Jake one day I hope you jump on the orange wagon.
Comparing an enduro bike that cost twice as much is kinda silly but sure
@@TheGardenSnakehe wasnt really comparing anything? He just explained how he thought you would love an exc 500.
That kinda sucks man. Is the rocker assembly the same? (I come from Ford's and OHC ones too) and rockers could be a slightly different ratio changing the valve opening size..
The 0-60 timer wasn't in seconds as labeled, it was in frames (60 fps). Thats why it cycled to the next second after .59 instead of after .99
Good luck with finding the 30bhp that should be in a tuned CBR300 motor, I'm sure you'll get there before any big bore or stroker kits are needed.
I've had a similar long journey getting an old 1980's 125 trail bike from 18bhp to 24.6bhp so far, and when I finally get it over 25bhp at the tyre ill say it's done, and fit a bigger engine to do the same mods to that too.
Since then I think I got it figured out. Remember the engine is physically the same. I just put a video out on Patreon on a new mod I did. I’ll have a public one up soon.
Well that's a real bummer. I am looking into getting one of these bikes and was hoping for a good result. Loving the build series even if the power results aren't there. Keep it up!
Awesome video. I like the comparisons and digging into stuff like at 12 mins.
Further clarification, running same cbr cams, similar air intake. Free flow exhaust, ext. Per 550 Performance it is generating over 28hp peak power @ around 7k rpm.
I appreciate this guys videos, but he does things half baked...
Anyone notice the cop ride by when you were wheeling in the development at 13:28?
I was looking for this comment.
Lmaooooooooo I'm rewatching this a year later and I had to come look for this comment
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it but that clip with the first Dyno pull sounds EXACTLY like the opening to kickstart my heart by motley Crue.
My guess is air intake, the 300r has the sport bike style ram intake that feeds all the air at higher RPMs
disclaimer: I don't know anything about the 300L aside from your videos
That is an awesome intro!! Wow! Great Job!
The KTM 390 adventure makes 43 horsepower stock from the factory for msrp $6100. I also receive Led headlight, TFT dash, adjustable suspension, And stability control. KTM makes the best dirt bikes, period! Honda is not in the horsepower game anymore especially in less premium bikes
I agree that the KTM has more power. For sure. But try taking the KTM 390adv on half serious off-road. None of the benefits you mentioned will matter when you are cased out on the first rut or have smashed all the plastics from dropping the bike
buy a KTM 500 exc-f much lighter and more power gets you anywhere you need to go
Hey Jake we see the big difference down Low in the power range , huge shift. How did the top end do for cruising?
It feels a better then stock on the highways now. Not crazy better, just a little bit. Around town and off road is where this is the most fun now.
@@TheGardenSnake did you consider 550 performance when tuning your bike? It is a whole new ECU, I've heard good things about them.
I’m sure it’s the fuel system and or throttle body
I’ve been waiting for this video to come out to see if it was worth it for the mods. I pulled the trigger on all the mods lastnight.
Such a cool little tuner. I am going to go the 550 route though because Im doing hood rat stuff on a budget.
Still confused on the results, because the CRF300L with the Thailand ECU supposedly make 30hp vs 27 everywhere else in the world.
Im really wondering the the ECU itself is pulling fuel.
I know this video is kinda old now, but I had an issue with an exhaust on another bike. The way the pipe was internally made tuning the bike difficult. I switch my exhaust and the bike finally tuned the way we wanted it to. I know black widow is a reputable company, but their exhausts are universal and they don’t even give power figures on their site. That may be your problem?
2 things to say:
- All the mods in the world won’t make it not a 300 class engine
- I have a very hard time believing that bike does a 3.2 second 0-60. That’s what an SV650 does, not a 286cc dirt bike.
Ignorant people don't know that...
Is the new exhaust super loud in person because it sounds exactly load on the video?
I've been waiting for this to decide if I should purchase a 300L. Looks like more power for cheaper in a 450L or comparable.
I own a 450L and I have ridden both. My thoughts are if you want powerful, fast bike get the 450L. People will say you need a vortex to feel the power to "uncork" it and no you don't the bike is powerful enough without the ECU. The 300L is smooth power good for technical trails more like a beginner bike. The suspension on the 450L is way better. So you pay what you get.
@@emmet_fk832 I have seen several reviews showing the 450L stall out on more technical slow speed maneuvers... I can't remember what they called it but it almost make me not want to buy it.
@@ricochetey the issue it's called flame outs you have to manage the clutch and find the friction zone that's all you have to do. I'm not trying to convince you to buy one. You do what's best for you.
@@emmet_fk832 Flameouts is the word I was looking for! It would be nice if I could test ride one. The reviews I watched seemed like they couldn't find the sweet spot with the clutch. In my opinion if a guy could master that issue it's the best dual sport as far as suspension and power.
@@ricochetey if you are close to TN I can let you ride mine
out of curiosity, why would the 450L not be a better bike for the purpose? It's double the price and I suppose it's a proper high compression dirt bike engine and will need more maintenance and premium fuel?
he wanted to show a budget bike that could do everything. the 300l is much cheaper than anything but a drz400
Just buy a ktm and call it a day.
@Richard Simmons 😆
Hello Jake ! i have a question abot the Dynojet. I have to only plug it, flash the ecu and remove the dynojet? and then each time i want to flash it i just have to plug it again and modify, flash ecu and remove? And the other question is that a friend is buyinga crf 300L too. If i buy the dynojet can i flash both bikes? Or the Dynojet only let me flash my bike and none other than mine? sorry for my english but i think i make my point haha. Have a great day mate, really appreciate your videos. Cheers from Chile
The pv3 dyno jet is flashing the ecu. So it doesn’t have to stay connected. You can leave it on if you want to data log or if you want to view so thing in the fly. It will pair itself to your ecu so you can’t share it unfortunately.
it would be interesting to see it tuned for E85 with higher compression ratio to take advantage of the higher octane
I always thought you would just get the cbr300 ecu to copy the power
My guess is something intake related. Don't wanna spoil the surprise so I'll stop there 🤣 get a 550 tuned ECU and see if it makes a difference. Thier tune adjust ignition timing also.
The 550 tune made my bike perform worse. Lol
Those explosion clips tho 😂😂😂😂
Big bore kit would probably give you some real power increases.
Would be nice if you got the stage 1.5 tune from 550 performance and dynoed it to see the difference
Interested in seeing the cheap overlooked fix.
Do you think that tuning thingy would work on my V-rod with straight pipes?
Great vid, bit confused about your 0-60 times though. I got out my own stopwatch and counted 6 seconds in the time yours took 3. What are you measuring in these tests? Cause a CRF300 running a 3 and a half second to 60 would be amazing if it was possible!
Something's def off, my Ninja 400 struggles to get about 5sec 0-60, I think he mentioned he thinks his speedo is off and I'd say that's probably the case.
Yeah it makes no sense at all. A stock one is nearly 8 seconds.
how do you get 40hp out of this engine I want to know
Ditto! This thing with 40hp and same the reliability and service intervals would be amazing!
Nicely done.
I just wonder if your bike has a power band spring like my KTM 250 SX. i took my yellow spring out and put a red spring in as well as backed out the spring tensioner all the way out. It definitely made a difference.
Shonky Productions appeared to do the same mods with the exception of the ECU. He did the 550 and seemed to have much better results.
Did he switch to the cbr air boot? Because this was before I did that.
@@TheGardenSnake I believe he did. Plus he used FrogzSkin for an additional air inlet. I didn't see a video where you did that.
I want to change my exhaust. Do I need to do this before tuning the ecu?
Black widow exhaust have a reputation for loosing power on a few different bikes
Is that the stock pipe ? If so thats some of the problem you should have bump the compression to 12.5 to 1
Is the engine braking still really strong with a new pipe on it ?
Will you be at the GET ON ADV in South Dakota?
Quick questiorino for you, not trying to dis at all and I love your build. But what made you go for the crf300 rather than something like the ktm690smcr/husqvarna701sm or something similar?
Well one a lot of youtubers has done projects on them already. And I really wanted to see if this was worth it. Like could this be the next DRZ or something.
@@TheGardenSnake ah fair fair
So, just wondering.. how can I make my 2022 crf300l higher toppled ans torque without tossing 10,000 into my bike? In buying ot because of the convenience in price..... and, can I do it in time to have enough offroad fun and go supermoto before mid summer? With Flash ecu,gear ratio, cams intake,exaust..?
If you were to buy a single bike again, and you were going to use that bike to commmute daily (top speed 70 -75 mph) and the occasional off road adventure, would you choose the crf300l (including rally) or the drz400 (any variant)? And why? This is open to anyone to answer
So you're saying at the end of the day you're better off just keeping it stock and spending the money on suspension. Good to know.
Have you talked to Richard Holdener?
Enjoyed the build. Might get one for the girlfriend one day. Not enough of a change from my Drz400sm to make me want to change but for a smaller bike its appealing, just needs some aftermarket love, hopefully the cost isn't to outrageous in the end
I wonder if the trans gearing is the problem?
Ah yes R&D it's always like this for me at least. Even if it is a very very similar motor but there are some minor differences it'll be some little thing you're overlooking. Good news is if you got someone who tunes them constantly then he can help a lot hopefully, you'll get there partner!
I'm sure that the same power is available to this modified CRF as a similarly modified CBR 300 would have on the same Dyno/day. Maybe Jake should look for some tuned CBR Dyno charts with the same sorts of modifications, which Id guess would be around 29-30bhp and what Id hoped to see in this video. I would also check the part numbers on the fuel injector and throttle body to make sure they are definitely the same as CBR parts. The issue looks to be in the tuning as I don't think the after tuning Dyno charts are possible with a 300cc engine. I.e making the same power at much lower rpm and over a wide rev range with next to no change in peak. It doesn't really add up?
Most inexpensive mods you feel it in a snappier throttle response. Even expensive mods will not cut 0-60 secs in half. I am old enough now and spent enough on mods that just buy them with the stock bike from factory. The future is locked ECU’s, proprietary tools and scanners. Too expensive or software dependent for backyard or small shop mechanics to modify or repair. Many Cars out of warranty too expensive to repair cuz complexities of engine. Electric is the future as plug and play vs repair.
would it be better to load up the cbr300 tune first then go off of that? bike seems much much better than stock regardless
That is one sweet-ass shirt.
Hello jake. Have you ever tried the rapid bike evo for tuning?
What's the difference between the ecu tuning you've done and the 550 performance ecu?
Both will make your wallet thinner.
Hey Jake,
Love ur knowledge and personality 😅 Ur the best bro. Quick question, by tuning my ECU to my M4 rm1 full exhaust on my 2022 MT-07 when I receive it in 2-3 weeks, will it make a difference in power or how it runs?
Appreciate you and your opinion. Love you bro. Stay safe and take care brotha👊🏾
I hate to be that guy, But that 0-60 time was not even close to accurate. I re-watched the video multiple times because it seemed like the timer was counting really slow. So i took this video and put it in my editing software so i could try and get the most accurate time and i'm getting around a 6.30 second 0-60 time. that's double what what said in the video.
Is that what it is? I had it set to time, not frames or something else. I knew it wasn't right but I did say that in the video. I not trying to act like it's that fast. That was the unit of how it was measured before so I needed to do it that way at the end. I figured it was somewhat due to the 17 inch wheels but even that seemed like it was too much of a difference. I guess I need to look at how premiere pro is setting up that timmer better.
@@TheGardenSnake No hard feelings or anything. I wasn't trying to call you out. Just thought I'd mention that the timer was off so much. I kinda wish your timer was correct though lol. A dual sport of that size going 0-60 in 3 seconds would be crazy. On a slightly separate note, Thanks for all the great content you put out. I really appreciate the lengths you go to to explain things so people can learn. Ride safe Brother.
Why did you buy a Honda CR-300-F when you already have an Adventure bike the FT-07?
Well there quite different bikes
@@TheGardenSnake I know but you claimed to be building an adventure bike out of it.
Is there a reason why you bought a 300L rather than an SMC 690 which weighs the same and puts out 74hp stock? You said you like riding wide open but yet just put loads of hours into increasing the power.
690 is definitely heavier and I wanted to do something more realistic for the viewers. Building a $20k 690 is pretty outa reach for the average person.
Can someone comment the link to the ram ball mount he has screwed into where the stock mirror was?
My Crf250l (301cc) is 39 hp bro
What's the new bike in the background?
Is it possible the cam timing is off by a tooth or something? Or maybe the heads / rocker arms are slightly different impacting the cam timing?
I checked that after that trip, nope
@@TheGardenSnake Bummer bruh.
After all that why not just goto a crf450l???
Cbr500r engine swap?
Your timer is off, it only counts up to 0.6 before changing seconds
Maybe that's the frame rate of the video, not sure
@@TheGardenSnake Impossible to believe that 0 - 60 mph time even accounting for the speedo being considerably out. It should be around 7 seconds. Do another run with a gps tracking your speed.
@@Scoottoots For sure it's not actually going 0-60 that fast. I did mention that. Speedo is off due to the SM wheels and that speed jumps big time between speeds. I was I had used one of those apps or my GPS to test it.
@@TheGardenSnake Well it would sure be fun if it really was that fast... or maybe not. Much of the charm is trying to squeeze that bit extra out of these bikes. Fun stuff :-)
Nice slow bike but it's great on fuel. Wish I had one right now.
Hey, I would degree the cams to make sure they match the CBR specs, what if the CRF timing marks on the flywheel are different the the CBR? Symptoms look like an advanced intake.
Since you have the power vision can you see or log the manifold pressure sensor? If it is reading close to atmospheric at WOT then you don't have an intake restriction problem.
Anybody mentioning 35 HP needs to put the crack pipe.
Any side by side off road suspension comparisons to other dual purpose bikes, I love the suspension upgrade.
Great job on the vids, good for you hanging it out with real time experiments. I sub'ed to the Patreon by the way, first one ever.
I wish this k8nd of bikes come to India, i will be one of the first to own it if not the no1.
I enjoy your shannagans keep up the good work on the 300l I have one my self on our UA-cam channel. If you were close I would like to ride with ya one day
One word - Nitrous . 😁
Assuming it’s something to do with porting
Engine mods are the most expensive mods vs suspension stuff. It takes hundreds air thousand to make big horsepower. Another reason buy the horsepower stock from the factory. These Harley guys Buy an expensive Harley and need a stage 2-4 to up the power that should be from the factory. Of course, not the case with the new generation of Harley’s Pan America, Sportster S, Nightster.. they all have power to weight ratios more than Harley’s CVO’s.
I feel like he’s building a mini xr650r
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Would you get more power with a different tune from 550 performance ?? After all hard to trust the first one you tried that didn’t work for ya or the second one I’m not buying a tune that gives you all that trouble having to do it multiple times an still have to send it to a expert to get it right I donot have the money or patience for that crap dyno whoever will not get a cent from this poor sorry but that’s reality
New Porsche cars are interesting. Every year another 30 horsepower, fancier electronics with improved snappier throttle. Could Porsche increase horsepower 50 each year? Yes, but why.
Dynojet place was more professional in appearance vs the bike shed
I don't even have $1, my bank account says -£2000
If you wanna actually support the warrior foundation donate to them directly. Omaze donates literal Pennies for every dollar you give them
Shouldve kept the XR650R. You're clearly trying to convince yourself on this bike and deep down you know you made a mistake doing all this stuff to it
Should of just got a 450L
Unfortunately not cost effective mods.
I own a 2021 rally. Oops I goofed just spend the money and get a dad gum tenere 700. The 300 is a lawnmower for crying out loud.
But I tried to mow the grass with it and it didn’t work
Man you can ramble. How about getting to the point?
13:37 cop
So basically the WR250R is still the best lol.
Not at all. The CRF’s stock engine has more down low torque suited to the dirt.
@@nathanf1934 have 3 buddies with 300L’s and my WR whoops them in every category lol
@@KentwoodWarrior well your mates cant ride.
@@nathanf1934 no WR is just better
@@KentwoodWarrior I disagree. I have both heavily modded. Have ridden around Australia off road on both.
Channel become ad for patrion. Great for people who got a visa debt but otherwise up shitts creek.