@@hamradiotube Grab powerpole, look at the A with 2 circles, rotate powerpole 180 degrees look at back of connector and there are 2 more stamps on the powerpole.
@@hamradiotube Thanks for the information. Yes, the words Anderson Power is a sure bet they are the original. A commenter further down mentioned Bioenno Battery which I have. I got the cover off the Power connectors. No "A" between the dots and only A1TM. I don't believe it's an Anderson. Fun stuff to discover in ham radio.
That was real good advice to work split when wanting to have a QSO with hams who's countries use different frequencies. For flying with batteries, that was also good advice to check with both governments to see what's acceptable. I also enjoyed the lesson about spotting fake PowerPoles and appreciate the suggestion of buying from DXE. Keep up the good work and thank you for all you do for us. Stay safe and happy hamming everyone. 🙂😁😎
In his case, I think they would be able to arrange the qso off air. Otherwise, you would need to announce you are running split. You could have a huge pileup and not hear anyone! That would be funny.
That first question, Split is absolutely the way, for experience in doing that I suggest participating in the MARS Interoperability Exercise when it comes around where they do just that! You listen in military frequencies, but transmit on ham and military does viseversa ✅
My stock Bioenno charger/power supply can handle 110-240VAC. Your subscriber only needs a US to NZ plug (so it'll plug into the wall there). It'll handle international voltage differences, no problem!
I bought a Bioenno 12v 12 a/h battery at the Orlando Hamcation last month. I flew home - Orlando via Netherlands to home in Kenya (Africa). Airline was KLM. I took it in my carry-on. Going through all the security in Orlando and Schipol airport, security didn't even look at it.
I have a 20AH bioenno for portable. You have to check the TSA website. They go by watt hours so you have to do the conversion. My battery was to large to fly with me when I went to Florida, so I shipped it a few days ahead of my flight via UPS down to a UPS store in Florida. It was there when I arrived. I’ll be doing it again in December. Just thought I’d throw it out there as another option
I bought two inexpensive Miady LiFePO4 batteries, 7.2Ah each and wired them in parallel. I now have a 14Ah battery that cost me under 60 Euros. Previously I bought a 12Ah LiFePO4 drop in replacement battery that cost me around 200 Euros. The two Miady batteries together are not much heavier than the 12Ah battery, and certainly much lighter than an AGM, SLAB or Gel battery. I use a Genasun MPPT solar charge controller with an 80w foldable solar panel (it is very sunny where I live). It works for me. I also have an Imax B6AC charger for the LiFePO4 batteries. It takes 220v OR a 12v input. Always good to have some flexibility. As the saying goes, "Two is one, and one is none."
Bioenno Power offers 14.6VDC, 2A AC-to-DC chargers for LiFePO4 batteries, Model BPC-1502DC uses a DC plug barrel connector. The charger provides 14.6VDC, 2A (CC/CV charge profile) for charging LiFePO4 batteries. This charger accepts 110~220VAC input, for use worldwide.
All good info but I liked the Anderson Power Pole section. I have a real problem with knock-off production in general, especially when the knockoff doesn't even work with something from within their own batch. However, I do understand some countries make the most of their GNP from that "industry".
Hi Mike, Thanks for the info on the Power Poles. I've been getting my mine off Amazon. Out of the 4 dozen pairs that were listed as genuine, only 12 are genuine Anderson. I've had some problems getting most to dovetail together and all of those were fakes. The Anderson's slide together very easily and can also be removed easily. The fakes are difficult to join and nearly impossible take apart. Stay safe. 73 WJ3U
That has got to be one of the hardest things I’ve done trying to get the wires into the housing. The wire just collapsed at the edge of the tongue. I finally got it done but it’s not pretty.
Wikipedia shows the 3 IARU regions, US and Canadian bands one above each other with different colours denoting what usage for each part of that particular band is allocated in the 5 regions.
I just this morning assembled a pair (black and red) power pole connectors and was curious about their authenticity, so I went out and grabbed the bag they came out of and found it was a Powerwerx-labeled bag. The connector shells in that bag match the middle version you showed full A with smallish and well defined circles. And I know they dovetail because they fit together perfectly this morning. So I’m not sure what you meant when you called out Powerwerx as frauds. Thanks, 73 Tom KC3QAC
It's interesting to note that the connectors on my Bioenno battery appear to be clones, based on the "A" on the end of the connectors. The rest of the connector body is covered, and not visible.
Powerwerx are exactly as shown here as the genuine one - when you order from the company itself vs a third party supplier on amazon (lots of prices on their website are lower, but there seems to be $14 flat rate shipping). My terminals have all had that excellent *snap* when the wires are seated. The 150pc kit comes with some nice little retention clips that fit well, and can be removed with some gentle persuasion. Good stuff. Not cheap but invest in the kit and make yourself shot leads / adapters off of things like ring terminals. Adapters to XT60, MC4 solar, ferrules for clamp terminals, etc.
I needed to make up various lengths of power jumpers so I ordered some of the knock off power poles. They do work most of the time but they don't hold up to the plugging and unplugging these jumpers were needed for. The plastic bodies tend to break off and occasionally the slip in connector will move back causing a failure to connect. I have since replaced all the knock offs and not had a problem. We all know the real Anderson product is much more expensive but in my opinion they are worth the extra cost if you intend to use them in a connect/disconnect cycle like with portable operation. With the knock offs I never could get the crimp solid enough (powerpole crimpers don't work well with these) so I would have to solder each connection making sure not to have excess solder that might make it hard to fit inside the plastic holder. With the real ones the extra expense of the crimping tool makes all the difference. I've never needed to solder a connection made with the crimpers. I learned my lesson. Jack K5FIT
After watching this I checked all my gear. MFJ power supply and all three Bioenno batts: clones! West Mountain rigrunner, Powerwerx stuff, Portable Zero, and every random thing I've bought on Etsy: real PPs.
I've used many genuine AND fake powerpole connectors. The only problem I've had is mating a black and red pair side-by-side. A little percussive persuasion takes care of it. So the knock off tolerances are a tiny bit off, but it doesn't get in the way of making connections. I've only put about 25 amps through my connectors, but have yet to run into any problems at all.
I have a bag of fake Powerpoles from Amazon and the latches for sliding two connectors together are a different shape to the legit ones. The pins you crimp on to the cable are garbage too. You get what you pay for with some things in radio.
Charger for the Bioenno - One thought here. When I traveled from the U.S. to Bahrain, I bought a wall socket converter. One of those, and the 110 charger from Bioenno might be the trick. Just a thought.
I know you mentioned DX Engineering for "real" Anderson PowerPole connectors. Do you happen to know if West Mountain Radio also sells "the real McCoy". ? Thanks.
7.200 is currently in use. I am pretty sure I just heard " I am the Nightrider. I'm a fuel injected suicide machine. I am a rocker, I am a roller, I am a out-of-controller! " He sounds like a nice guy. Someone I want to be friends with.
That dude meant to say that battery needed to be under 100 watt hours for international travel. . that's different than amp hours. Watt hours =amp hours x volts. For a bioenno rated at 14.6 volts this would come out to about a 6.8 amp hour battery. Also, I have never gotten fake powerpoles from Powerwerx, West Mountain Radio, or Quicksilver radio. I know from other videos that you don't seem to like Powerwerx or their prices, but everything I have bought there has been legit. Chuck WG5X
I want to re-use some power poles and need new metal contacts that fit inside the plastic. Where can I buy just the contacts? For bits of plastic and metal the power poles are god awful expensive I think. Way to much.
Weirdly my powerpole connectors are Glarks that I bought in 2022 and IEUYO I bought in 2020 and the Glarks don't claim to be genuine but have all of the genuine features you mentioned. They also have A1TM stamped on the back, and a 3 or a 9 deep inside where you insert the contact. The IEUYO ones also work perfectly fine but are obvious fakes.
What is a "fake" power pole connector? Their original patent from 1963 expired almost exactly 40 years ago so therefore is in the public domain. I have been using the non-name-brand connectors for years with only one breakage when it was slammed in a car door.
on Anderson PP and Powerwerx, I have typically bought all of mine from Powerwerx and gotten legit product, but I have only bought the basic red and black. They also offer a number of other colors and I have always wondered if those were legit or an aftermarket non-oem product.
Now I have to go check, my "Anderson" power pole connectors, I bought at the Huntsville Ham Fest.... Surly those gadget dealers would not sell knockoffs?
In the UK a lot of consumer type stuff is dual voltage, often without the need to move a switch, also, where there are US bases, 220 down to 110 transformers are easily available for American servicemen to use their home grown gear on the host countries supply. 73 Jim M7BXT
I just got some power pole receptacles I ordered from China for $1.36 each. They came with knockoff power poles! I was surprised that the quality was pretty good! The contacts looked decent . The housings I was surprised mated exactly with my real Anderson's. They dovetailed exactly with my real power poles.
Most switching supplies are dual 120/220 volt rated, it figures it out accordingly, read the label of course. MMMV of course, lol. Cheers es 73, Dave - KU9L
Does it matter whether they are the official Anderson power poles or is there a standard that they are all supposed to be complying with so that they will fit together? Did you throw your non Anderson power pole connectors away or keep them?
Anderson Power Plle connectors! Well recently have been using more Anderson Power Pole connectors 30amp mostly.. So purchased more new ones, it seems that the ones that are knock offs are cheaper and do not say they are Anderson Power Pole connectors, they use special words like compatible with Anderson Power Poles, or Anderson Power Pole TYPE connectors.. I purchased ones that I feel are real from Amazon, it seems that Ebay has some real ones as well. Your Milage may vary... I have never seen any 30amp Power Poles with anything other than the markings we have seen here. My first ones were purchased in abt 1984 at the Dayton HamVention..
Operating 7.175-7.200 still wouldn't let you contact them though right? They'd not be able to transmit LSB right at 7.200 because they'd be operating out of their plan (assuming they are also LSB). Or am I missing something?
For the 220 to 100v battery charger. He could always buy a travel power converter, for a European 2 prong plugs, to 110v AC American outlets. Then plug in the American battery charger!
Mine are original but still don't like them for anything over 5 amps or so. I use regular Terminal connectors polarity on source/device Pos/Neg are reversed to prevent accidental reverse polarity connections.
As for power poles I have some Tyco clones with contacts, made in USA, they look great but will NOT mate up housing wise with the PP product. Not even the contacts are interchangeable! There is an extra "flange" just forward of the crimp ring that will not allow it to be inserted into the PP housing. As for frequencies used to contact internationally I am in a unique situation. I still hold an Advanced License in the USA but I also hold a "second tier" license in Greece. Well this allows me to legally contact fellow hams on the extra class frequencies while using my call here in SV land.
It's easy. Bite the bullet and pay a known good vendor. A lot of counterfeits are damn good plastic, but with cheaply plated contacts that will oxidize and bite you.
Ever been there ? They have an AWESOME antenna array on a Rohn tower. They share the building with Summit Racing. The owner/CEO owns BOTH companies. Ham radio and racing. How cool is that ?
OMG - I bought some of those fake power poles on Amazon and pure JUNK. They're loose and don't connect well. :( I just flew with my KX3 to California and my Bioenno went through TSA just fine. No questions, no dirty looks, no back room probing. :))
This is reversing the burden of proof. An original connector comes with the manufacturer's reputation for QC and adherence to the design, tolerances etc. An unknown manufacturer might not work, have variance in the products, or be just as good as the original, one cannot just "test" a small sample of connectors, it should be done on all batches etc
FYI.. ANEN makes good quality 30 amp powerpole style connectors. They don't pretend to be Anderson. Theirs carry their logo, and there's no A stamped on them. They are dark red in color and contacts mate with Andersons perfectly. Cost less, of course 😁
Wait, so the ones from PowerWerks (or however its spelled) aren't genuine? Because I have a set of them from the brand and just checked and their features match the genuine thing. They even have the easter egg mentioned in the pinned comment.
@@hamradiotube To date, I bought my APP from PowerWerx. I am aware there are counterfeits but expected the PowerWerx APP to be legit. Now I'll have to do some careful examination to ensure I haven't been ripped off. All of my power routing wit with APP. I find they are useful for antenna building as well.
I don't understand the Bioenno chargers. They spec a different size for each one or two battery sizes. But if the BMS in the battery pack is built properly, I should just be able to buy ONE high capacity charger, and let the BMSes each sip only what they need. What goes on here?
But why should we steer clear of knock off connectors? If they’re not the right brand, but may be just as good a quality, why shouldn’t I use it? If there are substantial and important differences in quality or performance, I understand why you would steer clear of them, but if not, why does it have to be the name brand ones?
The chargers that are bundled with Bioenno batteries will accept 100-240V at 50/60 Hz. Edit: I noticed that on Thursday mornings there are people talking in the data portion of the 40 meter band. They were speaking Spanish as far as I could tell, so I wonder if their band plan allows for voice at those frequencies or are they in the wrong part of the band. 73 KD5YOU
CHARGERS for multi-voltage ---- CALL the battery "charger" manufacturer. They most likely can point you to where you can get them (if they don't already make them themselves)
The voltage in outher countries is different. the HZ is different as well. eater 60 or 50 . Tahy make a underseal travel power adapter. just match plug and voltage . 50 and 60 Hz so close will work. north América we use 240V split phase 120/240 at 6oHz . we different . most of rest of the world is 220/240 V 50 Hz except Japan. that 100V and 50 and 60Hz .watch for this when travel the world. plugs are different as well. 73's
Not necessarily. I have been buying them from Powerwerx and West Mountain Radio for years and they have always been legit for me. Maybe they got some bad connectors mixed into their inventory somehow or tried an alternate source when they couldn't get the legit connectors.
RRTD RED RIGHT TONGUE DOWN (as you look at them from front ) Thats why i got my extra The extra portions of hf tend to overlap a lot more with other countries I stand with israel and i buy the cheapest andersons i can find 😂
@@hamradiotube yeah but it's DC and the cheap ones still make a connection. I'm just not getting what the big deal is? I but the cheap ones and they work, at least the ones I buy do.
@@Blake-jl8lh Three reasons you should stick to Anderson Powerpoles: Tolerances, Consistency, Reliability. This is all highly documented with Anderson. Send us a link to the spec sheet of your connector and we can discuss.
I on here searching for tips to spot APP fakes because my application is for a 12,000 lb recovery winch (and jumper cables) which require close to 350A to get the full power/pull from the 650A battery to the winch. I have read the heat from these connections can melt the rubber step off a rear truck bumper if water or ice gets in the connector and shorts it, etc. For off-road, automotive applications I am worried that the cheap knock off plastic will melt much more easily and possibly start a fire.
Here in VK we have 7.000 to 7.300 MHz, but it's very difficult to use above 7.200MHz at night because of the very strong Asian shortwave broadcast stations occupying about every 5 KHz of that segment.
Yeah, BUT.. do YOUR Andersons have "A1TM" stamped on the back?
I don't know what that means. Is that a new Metal band?
@@hamradiotube Grab powerpole, look at the A with 2 circles, rotate powerpole 180 degrees look at back of connector and there are 2 more stamps on the powerpole.
@@epnuzuluaga766 Wow, look at that little Easter egg. Mine say Anderson Power. One of the fake ones says Anchi Power. Prob for Anderson China lol!
@@hamradiotube Thanks for the information. Yes, the words Anderson Power is a sure bet they are the original. A commenter further down mentioned Bioenno Battery which I have. I got the cover off the Power connectors. No "A" between the dots and only A1TM. I don't believe it's an Anderson. Fun stuff to discover in ham radio.
Couldn’t make out what place you said you get anderson power poles at.
Could you post a link
That was real good advice to work split when wanting to have a QSO with hams who's countries use different frequencies. For flying with batteries, that was also good advice to check with both governments to see what's acceptable. I also enjoyed the lesson about spotting fake PowerPoles and appreciate the suggestion of buying from DXE. Keep up the good work and thank you for all you do for us.
Stay safe and happy hamming everyone. 🙂😁😎
Just checked my bag of powerpoles from powerwerx and they are legit. Thanks Mike.
Ok I wasn’t sure about powerwerx. Thanks for the info.
Awesome. The plastics defects makes one wonder what kind of shortcuts fakes took with the metal contact inside. Yikes! Great video.
Never even considered splitting. Genius idea! 73s!
Running split is a wonderful thing. Just have to do the coordination with the other station.
You can always announce that you’re listening on another frequency.
@@stevecharles8526 you can but, if you are just calling CQ. That isn't what the person asking the question was doing.
In his case, I think they would be able to arrange the qso off air. Otherwise, you would need to announce you are running split. You could have a huge pileup and not hear anyone! That would be funny.
@@hamradiotube I have actually run across that. Guy was on 40 running split and had a huge pile up on his transmit freq lol
That first question, Split is absolutely the way, for experience in doing that I suggest participating in the MARS Interoperability Exercise when it comes around where they do just that! You listen in military frequencies, but transmit on ham and military does viseversa ✅
That sounds pretty cool
I have never had any "issues with fake Anderson Power Poles" they fit the originals and work just fine!
Some of them do. I've had plenty that don't mate with the originals at all. Like when connecting a red original to a black fake one etc.
Good afternoon Mike, I would just like to say thank you for sharing your knowledge. I really enjoy watching your videos especially mail bag Monday
Thanks so much, I appreciate you watching!
Thank you for answering my questions Mike, it's been greatly helpful. I mistyped when I asked the question about the 100ah. Cheers!
My stock Bioenno charger/power supply can handle 110-240VAC. Your subscriber only needs a US to NZ plug (so it'll plug into the wall there). It'll handle international voltage differences, no problem!
Now you tell me lol. Thanks for letting us know.
@@hamradiotube 😂
The power supplies from Bioenno can operate up to 240v inputs.
I bought a Bioenno 12v 12 a/h battery at the Orlando Hamcation last month. I flew home - Orlando via Netherlands to home in Kenya (Africa). Airline was KLM. I took it in my carry-on. Going through all the security in Orlando and Schipol airport, security didn't even look at it.
I have a 20AH bioenno for portable. You have to check the TSA website. They go by watt hours so you have to do the conversion. My battery was to large to fly with me when I went to Florida, so I shipped it a few days ahead of my flight via UPS down to a UPS store in Florida. It was there when I arrived. I’ll be doing it again in December. Just thought I’d throw it out there as another option
I bought two inexpensive Miady LiFePO4 batteries, 7.2Ah each and wired them in parallel. I now have a 14Ah battery that cost me under 60 Euros. Previously I bought a 12Ah LiFePO4 drop in replacement battery that cost me around 200 Euros. The two Miady batteries together are not much heavier than the 12Ah battery, and certainly much lighter than an AGM, SLAB or Gel battery. I use a Genasun MPPT solar charge controller with an 80w foldable solar panel (it is very sunny where I live). It works for me. I also have an Imax B6AC charger for the LiFePO4 batteries. It takes 220v OR a 12v input. Always good to have some flexibility. As the saying goes, "Two is one, and one is none."
Bioenno Power offers 14.6VDC, 2A AC-to-DC chargers for LiFePO4 batteries, Model BPC-1502DC uses a DC plug barrel connector. The charger provides 14.6VDC, 2A (CC/CV charge profile) for charging LiFePO4 batteries. This charger accepts 110~220VAC input, for use worldwide.
Thanks for pointing out features of knock off Anderson’s. 😊
Very good look at the 'Anderson Pole Connector' knockoffs. I think I have had both of the same knockoffs you show. 73!
I have been buying pp's from Powerwerx for years and they have all been original including colors.
The connectors from powerwerx have the correct A and circles as well as the name Anderson power on the opposite end..FYI
I just got some PowerPoles from DX Engineering's site. The retention clips I received are in a bag marked "West Mountain Radio". Not sure why.
For Anderson Power Pole connectors, I'll buy from Powerwerx and Main Trading Company. As for the contacts, I'll buy straight from Powerwerx.
Excellent video, thanks!
All good info but I liked the Anderson Power Pole section. I have a real problem with knock-off production in general, especially when the knockoff doesn't even work with something from within their own batch. However, I do understand some countries make the most of their GNP from that "industry".
Good tip on the PowerPoles!
OK, thanks for the video, but, what about performance?
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the info on the Power Poles. I've been getting my mine off Amazon. Out of the 4 dozen pairs that were listed as genuine, only 12 are genuine Anderson. I've had some problems getting most to dovetail together and all of those were fakes. The Anderson's slide together very easily and can also be removed easily. The fakes are difficult to join and nearly impossible take apart. Stay safe. 73 WJ3U
That has got to be one of the hardest things I’ve done trying to get the wires into the housing. The wire just collapsed at the edge of the tongue. I finally got it done but it’s not pretty.
Get the proper tool and use it to click them in. It's a MUST when using tiny little wires for low power devices like tuners or such.
Wikipedia shows the 3 IARU regions, US and Canadian bands one above each other with different colours denoting what usage for each part of that particular band is allocated in the 5 regions.
I just this morning assembled a pair (black and red) power pole connectors and was curious about their authenticity, so I went out and grabbed the bag they came out of and found it was a Powerwerx-labeled bag. The connector shells in that bag match the middle version you showed full A with smallish and well defined circles. And I know they dovetail because they fit together perfectly this morning. So I’m not sure what you meant when you called out Powerwerx as frauds. Thanks, 73 Tom KC3QAC
+1 All the Power pole stuff I've purchased from Powerwerx were legit.
It's interesting to note that the connectors on my Bioenno battery appear to be clones, based on the "A" on the end of the connectors. The rest of the connector body is covered, and not visible.
I would think there would be a useful chart out there from the international governing body. I would also think the ARRL would have this info.
Come on man! You're gonna have us all scrutinizing our power cables now. I'm sure I have some fake ones since I've bought them from all over.
Mike. Great video. Can the Hitec charger be used with Dakota Batteries?
Excellent! Thank you!
Powerwerx are exactly as shown here as the genuine one - when you order from the company itself vs a third party supplier on amazon (lots of prices on their website are lower, but there seems to be $14 flat rate shipping).
My terminals have all had that excellent *snap* when the wires are seated. The 150pc kit comes with some nice little retention clips that fit well, and can be removed with some gentle persuasion. Good stuff. Not cheap but invest in the kit and make yourself shot leads / adapters off of things like ring terminals. Adapters to XT60, MC4 solar, ferrules for clamp terminals, etc.
I needed to make up various lengths of power jumpers so I ordered some of the knock off power poles. They do work most of the time but they don't hold up to the plugging and unplugging these jumpers were needed for. The plastic bodies tend to break off and occasionally the slip in connector will move back causing a failure to connect. I have since replaced all the knock offs and not had a problem. We all know the real Anderson product is much more expensive but in my opinion they are worth the extra cost if you intend to use them in a connect/disconnect cycle like with portable operation. With the knock offs I never could get the crimp solid enough (powerpole crimpers don't work well with these) so I would have to solder each connection making sure not to have excess solder that might make it hard to fit inside the plastic holder. With the real ones the extra expense of the crimping tool makes all the difference. I've never needed to solder a connection made with the crimpers. I learned my lesson. Jack K5FIT
Can you do this for the 75a connectors also? Thank you!
Well done...😀😀😀
After watching this I checked all my gear. MFJ power supply and all three Bioenno batts: clones!
West Mountain rigrunner, Powerwerx stuff, Portable Zero, and every random thing I've bought on Etsy: real PPs.
That's crazy! Sad there aren't more Anderson brand being used.
Thanks for the info.
I've used many genuine AND fake powerpole connectors. The only problem I've had is mating a black and red pair side-by-side. A little percussive persuasion takes care of it. So the knock off tolerances are a tiny bit off, but it doesn't get in the way of making connections. I've only put about 25 amps through my connectors, but have yet to run into any problems at all.
Never knew there were fakes. Thanks for sharing the info. I’m with you I love the Anderson connections! 73 NM5SP
I have a bag of fake Powerpoles from Amazon and the latches for sliding two connectors together are a different shape to the legit ones. The pins you crimp on to the cable are garbage too. You get what you pay for with some things in radio.
Exactly
Thanks Mike.👍
Charger for the Bioenno - One thought here. When I traveled from the U.S. to Bahrain, I bought a wall socket converter. One of those, and the 110 charger from Bioenno might be the trick. Just a thought.
That's 40m in the US.... I'm still chuckling
I know you mentioned DX Engineering for "real" Anderson PowerPole connectors. Do you happen to know if West Mountain Radio also sells "the real McCoy". ? Thanks.
7.200 is currently in use. I am pretty sure I just heard " I am the Nightrider. I'm a fuel injected suicide machine. I am a rocker, I am a roller, I am a out-of-controller! " He sounds like a nice guy. Someone I want to be friends with.
That dude meant to say that battery needed to be under 100 watt hours for international travel. . that's different than amp hours. Watt hours =amp hours x volts. For a bioenno rated at 14.6 volts this would come out to about a 6.8 amp hour battery.
Also, I have never gotten fake powerpoles from Powerwerx, West Mountain Radio, or Quicksilver radio. I know from other videos that you don't seem to like Powerwerx or their prices, but everything I have bought there has been legit. Chuck WG5X
The wH is based on the listed/marked voltage on the battery, not the measured voltage. 12v, 24v, 36v etc. So an 8aH 12v would be 96aH
Doesn't like Powerwerx because they don't send him free stuff to review so...
I want to re-use some power poles and need new metal contacts that fit inside the plastic. Where can I buy just the contacts? For bits of plastic and metal the power poles are god awful expensive I think. Way to much.
DX Engineering has them.
DX Engineering.
Weirdly my powerpole connectors are Glarks that I bought in 2022 and IEUYO I bought in 2020 and the Glarks don't claim to be genuine but have all of the genuine features you mentioned. They also have A1TM stamped on the back, and a 3 or a 9 deep inside where you insert the contact. The IEUYO ones also work perfectly fine but are obvious fakes.
What is a "fake" power pole connector? Their original patent from 1963 expired almost exactly 40 years ago so therefore is in the public domain. I have been using the non-name-brand connectors for years with only one breakage when it was slammed in a car door.
Exactly! They are ALL made in the same Chinese factory. Lol
Yes, but some have a better letter A, and a better red, and I am not affiliated in anyway what so ever.
I buy knockoff powerpoles on purpose
on Anderson PP and Powerwerx, I have typically bought all of mine from Powerwerx and gotten legit product, but I have only bought the basic red and black. They also offer a number of other colors and I have always wondered if those were legit or an aftermarket non-oem product.
Thank you! That explains why some of my andersones don't fit together. I have a mix of fake and real. The fakes are going in the trash!.
Now I have to go check, my "Anderson" power pole connectors, I bought at the Huntsville Ham Fest.... Surly those gadget dealers would not sell knockoffs?
In the UK a lot of consumer type stuff is dual voltage, often without the need to move a switch, also, where there are US bases, 220 down to 110 transformers are easily available for American servicemen to use their home grown gear on the host countries supply. 73 Jim M7BXT
I just got some power pole
receptacles I ordered from
China for $1.36 each. They came with knockoff power poles! I was surprised that
the quality was pretty good!
The contacts looked decent . The housings
I was surprised mated exactly with my real
Anderson's. They dovetailed exactly with my
real power poles.
I had to go check my power poles. I knew I had bought something from Amazon, but it turned out to be my rubbers. I think those should be fine.
Most switching supplies are dual 120/220 volt rated, it figures it out accordingly, read the label of course. MMMV of course, lol. Cheers es 73, Dave - KU9L
Does it matter whether they are the official Anderson power poles or is there a standard that they are all supposed to be complying with so that they will fit together? Did you throw your non Anderson power pole connectors away or keep them?
Anderson Power Plle connectors!
Well recently have been using more Anderson Power Pole connectors 30amp mostly.. So purchased more new ones, it seems that the ones that are knock offs are cheaper and do not say they are Anderson Power Pole connectors, they use special words like compatible with Anderson Power Poles, or Anderson Power Pole TYPE connectors.. I purchased ones that I feel are real from Amazon, it seems that Ebay has some real ones as well. Your Milage may vary... I have never seen any 30amp Power Poles with anything other than the markings we have seen here. My first ones were purchased in abt 1984 at the Dayton HamVention..
Operating 7.175-7.200 still wouldn't let you contact them though right? They'd not be able to transmit LSB right at 7.200 because they'd be operating out of their plan (assuming they are also LSB). Or am I missing something?
You could go up to 7.200 because you’re on LSB. If you’re a general in the US you really couldn’t operate below 7.178.
For the 220 to 100v battery charger. He could always buy a travel power converter, for a European 2 prong plugs, to 110v AC American outlets. Then plug in the American battery charger!
The split idea sounds good. But you would have to contact them ahead of time to set that up. So, you can't do that on the fly.
Yes you can. You just transmit that you’re listening on another frequency!
@@stevecharles8526 But you are not supposed to Transmit on their frequency!
Bioenno sells the appropriate chargers.
Mine are original but still don't like them for anything over 5 amps or so. I use regular Terminal connectors polarity on source/device Pos/Neg are reversed to prevent accidental reverse polarity connections.
Where do you get Anderson poles at?
I get mine at Mouser but you have to look in the Anderson catalog for the proper shroud & pin part numbers which can be a bit confusing.
As for power poles I have some Tyco clones with contacts, made in USA, they look great but will NOT mate up housing wise with the PP product. Not even the contacts are interchangeable! There is an extra "flange" just forward of the crimp ring that will not allow it to be inserted into the PP housing.
As for frequencies used to contact internationally I am in a unique situation. I still hold an Advanced License in the USA but I also hold a "second tier" license in Greece. Well this allows me to legally contact fellow hams on the extra class frequencies while using my call here in SV land.
Should always use same brand connector on both sides. Same is true with mc4 connectors etc, should not be mismatched.
It's easy. Bite the bullet and pay a known good vendor. A lot of counterfeits are damn good plastic, but with cheaply plated contacts that will oxidize and bite you.
How about R&L I get mine from there?
You know I didn’t even think about them. I’ve not ordered power poles from them but I would imagine they are genuine. You will have to let us know.
@@hamradiotube ok that's were I get mine from so I am going to have to look now
So make sure your big A has nice circles. Got it. :P
Hahaha! Exactly.
I love DX Engineering!
Ever been there ? They have an AWESOME antenna array on a Rohn tower. They share the building with Summit Racing. The owner/CEO owns BOTH companies. Ham radio and racing. How cool is that ?
OMG - I bought some of those fake power poles on Amazon and pure JUNK. They're loose and don't connect well. :( I just flew with my KX3 to California and my Bioenno went through TSA just fine. No questions, no dirty looks, no back room probing. :))
12:22 now prove they're actually something to stay clear of.
Done an amp test?
Otherwise we have to just assume they're as good, just cheaper.
This is reversing the burden of proof. An original connector comes with the manufacturer's reputation for QC and adherence to the design, tolerances etc. An unknown manufacturer might not work, have variance in the products, or be just as good as the original, one cannot just "test" a small sample of connectors, it should be done on all batches etc
FYI.. ANEN makes good quality 30 amp powerpole style connectors. They don't pretend to be Anderson. Theirs carry their logo, and there's no A stamped on them. They are dark red in color and contacts mate with Andersons perfectly. Cost less, of course 😁
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An 8aH x 12v would give him 96aH. 12aH x 12v is 144wH. I've used the power poles off Amazon for some time now and don't have any problems.
Just bought a bag of powerwerx WP45-10 and they say Anderson Power on them.
Now many power supplies accept from about 90VAC to 250VAC.
Wait, so the ones from PowerWerks (or however its spelled) aren't genuine? Because I have a set of them from the brand and just checked and their features match the genuine thing. They even have the easter egg mentioned in the pinned comment.
I have been told the ones from Powerwerx are genuine. I just couldn’t remember when I made this video.
@@hamradiotube To date, I bought my APP from PowerWerx. I am aware there are counterfeits but expected the PowerWerx APP to be legit. Now I'll have to do some careful examination to ensure I haven't been ripped off.
All of my power routing wit with APP. I find they are useful for antenna building as well.
I buy mine from either Quicksilver Radio or Powerwerx. Only ones that are the real deal.
I don't understand the Bioenno chargers. They spec a different size for each one or two battery sizes. But if the BMS in the battery pack is built properly, I should just be able to buy ONE high capacity charger, and let the BMSes each sip only what they need. What goes on here?
capitalism at it's finest. $$
New Zealand has 240 volts.
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I have been screwed over buying the wrong ones, they are not cheap anyway.
But why should we steer clear of knock off connectors? If they’re not the right brand, but may be just as good a quality, why shouldn’t I use it? If there are substantial and important differences in quality or performance, I understand why you would steer clear of them, but if not, why does it have to be the name brand ones?
The chargers that are bundled with Bioenno batteries will accept 100-240V at 50/60 Hz. Edit: I noticed that on Thursday mornings there are people talking in the data portion of the 40 meter band. They were speaking Spanish as far as I could tell, so I wonder if their band plan allows for voice at those frequencies or are they in the wrong part of the band. 73 KD5YOU
CHARGERS for multi-voltage ---- CALL the battery "charger" manufacturer. They most likely can point you to where you can get them (if they don't already make them themselves)
The voltage in outher countries is different. the HZ is different as well. eater 60 or 50 . Tahy make a underseal travel power adapter. just match plug and voltage . 50 and 60 Hz so close will work. north América we use 240V split phase 120/240 at 6oHz . we different . most of rest of the world is 220/240 V 50 Hz except Japan. that 100V and 50 and 60Hz .watch for this when travel the world. plugs are different as well. 73's
I’ve been using powerwerx APP’s all along and those are knock-offs? Crap.
Not necessarily. I have been buying them from Powerwerx and West Mountain Radio for years and they have always been legit for me. Maybe they got some bad connectors mixed into their inventory somehow or tried an alternate source when they couldn't get the legit connectors.
No they are fine, at least for the red and black ones I have ordered from them. Never ordered any of the rainbow colors.
RRTD RED RIGHT TONGUE DOWN (as you look at them from front ) Thats why i got my extra The extra portions of hf tend to overlap a lot more with other countries I stand with israel and i buy the cheapest andersons i can find 😂
It's just a plastic connector. Is it really that important who makes it? (That's a genuine question)
It’s an electrical connection, so yes. The plastic is just a way to spot a fake. It’s much harder to spot the actual metal connection as being fake.
@@hamradiotube yeah but it's DC and the cheap ones still make a connection. I'm just not getting what the big deal is? I but the cheap ones and they work, at least the ones I buy do.
@@Blake-jl8lh Three reasons you should stick to Anderson Powerpoles: Tolerances, Consistency, Reliability. This is all highly documented with Anderson. Send us a link to the spec sheet of your connector and we can discuss.
I on here searching for tips to spot APP fakes because my application is for a 12,000 lb recovery winch (and jumper cables) which require close to 350A to get the full power/pull from the 650A battery to the winch. I have read the heat from these connections can melt the rubber step off a rear truck bumper if water or ice gets in the connector and shorts it, etc. For off-road, automotive applications I am worried that the cheap knock off plastic will melt much more easily and possibly start a fire.
Great video as always - W4KPB
The Powerwerx powerpoles assortment I just bought from HRO the day before your video were legit Anderson powerpoles. KD9TQH
Good to know.
Here in VK we have 7.000 to 7.300 MHz, but it's very difficult to use above 7.200MHz at night because of the very strong Asian shortwave broadcast stations occupying about every 5 KHz of that segment.
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