This isn't the forum for arguing which defense is better. This is about paying respect for one of the greatest defensive coordinators in NFL history. The architect of the famed 46 defense, the great Buddy Ryan. Condolences to Rex, Rob, and all of the Ryan family on behalf of football fans everywhere. Damn; we've lost too many people this year!
Claude White Exactly. #RiseInPower Buddy Ryan. 85BearsDtheBestever
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Singletary, Dent, Mongo, Otis, Perry, Hampton etc these guys were intimidating, powerful, hard hitting, and they put fear in the opponent every time they took the field. The best defense of all time.
i hate Belicheck but Id have to say he was much better than Ryan. BB as defensive coordinator for the Giants was effective in stopping the 49ers , Redskins and Bills when they were in their primes. He also won 2 Superbowls as DC for the Giants during that period Ryan? he was good for only 1985 with the Bears and was a failure in Houston
Wilber has a real problem now in the senior pool, which is that a major advantage for senior candidates is being someone a single fanbase is going to prioritize, and a single voter from a certain market is going to prioritize. Riley, Klecko and Howley all either played for one team or basically played for one team (not counting a few years at the start or end). Branch, Pearson, Carmichael, Covert, Dillon, Cliff Harris, Winston Hill, Karras, Shell, Speedie... they were all mainly associated with (or only played with) one team. Wilber is split between Chicago and Washington. Bears fans are focused on McMichael, and then Hilgenberg and maybe Fortunato. Washington fans are focused on Jacoby and Larry Brown. Sam Mills got in with support coming from both Saints and Panthers fans but that's rare. Voters want to be able to say they "Got our guy in," so who is looking at Wilber as "our guy"? If McMichael or Jacoby get in, or both, people will say, "Well, that's enough of the '85 Bears or the '91 Washington team," but Wilber was arguably the best defender on the '85 Bears and definitely the best on the '86 Bears, and was arguably the best in '91. D.C. DC Richie Petitbon said before SB XXVI that Wilber was their key man, and that's a defense with Darrell Green. That to me is Wilber's problem now: who is going to use their persuasion capital on him?
What stands out whenever I watch '85 Bears highlights is how Frazier and Richardson NEVER get mentioned but the work they had to do on the outside for the 46 to work was massive. Fridge gets a lot of love because of his celebrity, and he was a very good player - I'm not saying otherwise. But we have 11 players on this defense and the video named eight of them. With all love to Dave Duerson, what those corners were asked to do, and what they did do, was incredible and never truly recognized, even today.
Indeed and those corners were playing man to man 90 to 100 percent of the time!!!! The safeties were great blizters and the run stoppers . No they get lost but they need their credit also for what they were asked to do !
I feel like most pro sports have become less entertaining because of all stoppages that happen making games like football and baseball longer and harder to watch for new fans.
True, but I believe that they were such great athletes and football players that they could have modified to today's game and still dominated like they did.
i think by the 1990s and 2000s, the revolution in the spread offenses would have rendered the 46 obsolete. That year the only defeat of the Bears came from Marino where the Dolphins were spread out more to counteract the pressure. It’s just that no one in the 80s was thinking of the spread.
watching today's Bears just pisses me off, always make me go back and watch '85 Bears defense clips, i couldn't wait for the offense to get off the field in those days to see who else those beasts would knock out the game, favorite team ever in any sport, RIP Buddy #GOAT
Even watching the Lovie Smith Bears (especially 2005 & 2006) and the 2001 Bears are a treat to watch compared to the Bears since 2013. Defensively speaking.....
Steve Mc Michael said it best: BEARS QB Jim McMahon was a marked man because the BEARS attacked your QB so much that season, the other team just had to get even. That is why Green Bay Charles body slammed QB in 1986. Cost the BEARS another championship run. BEARS could have gone to super bowl in 184 and in 1986 if Jim McMahon had just stayed healthy. Richard Dent to this day blames coach Ditka for not managing Jim M. the QB better, should have kept McMahon healthy! I believe it, looking back at those seasons.
@@LeighMet i have never, ever heard an announcer compare a great defense in college or in the NFL to the 86 Giants. The defenses that come out of their mouths are the Steel Curtain Steelers, the Ravens, maybe the Buccaneers, but always the 85 Bears, they are the gold standard and have been for nearly 40 years. They won games before even taking the field.
It was unbelievable they actually played just as good if not better in 84' and 86'. Buddy Ryan's schemes changed the game of football. Parcell's and Walsh said the same which for me makes him the greatest defensive mind to ever coach football.
'85 Bears defense is the best defense ever, period. As a Steelers fan, you Bears fans got my back, these Ravens fans will start running their mouth saying the '00 Ravens defense was better.
actually i wouldn't say the '00 Ravens D was better. Granted in my biased opinion I think that it was a pretty good defense. But honestly the '85 was the best
No Super Bowl defense will hold their 3 or 4 playoff opponents to 10 points like the 1985 Bears did probably ever again because (1) how much the rules have changed to favor offenses over defenses since 1985, (2) the evolution of franchise QBs since 1985, and (3) there simply cannot be a group of characters & talent on a defense that can match the 1985 Bears defense (Samurai Mike, Fridge Perry, Sack Man Dent, Danimal Hampton, Mongo McMichael, Hit Man Fencik, Otis & Wilbur, and Duerson) because I don't think GMs now would allow that many characters on the same team honestly LOL.
It wasn't Buddy Ryan who made that defense it was the players on that 85 Bears that made it, Dan Marino and Shula had it figured out, short pass quick release, their only loss in 85.
The 00 Ravens had an awesome Defense with Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and the Boys...BUT! That 85" Chi-Town Bears was something spectacular to witness and NOOOOOO ONE had an answer for The Late Great Mr. Buddy Ryan's 46 Defensive scheme ..NO ONE...Plusbhe drafted Killers..Singletary, Perry and those boys...Yeah 85 "BEARS BEST DEFENSE AND BEST DEFENSIVE CORDINATOR IN NFL HISTORY PERIOD!!!!! MR. BUDDY RYAN
To be honest, the 85 defense in my opinion has to be one of the most important defense in NFL history. Excluding the revolutionary 46 defense, the 85 Bears unfortunately, had many players that had neurological diseases in their retirement. One of the players in the defense committed suicide in their retirement, which led to the development of concussion protocol in the NFL. It's a sad outcome for such a good team, but these guys contributed so much to keep guys careers from being completely shattered.
I really wish Buddy Ryan would get ALL the credit for Super Bowl they won. Mike Dika got FAMOUS from Buddy Ryan. PERIOD!!!!!! Yes I said it. Yes I mean it. COPY??!
They had a hell of a time stopping Dickerson. Every time they played him the TV announcer would say the Bears haven't given up 100 yards in "x" number of games and then they would say the last back to run for 100 was Dickerson. He put 4 100+ games and 5 TDs and 3 wins in 5 meetings against the Bears.
The 46 Defense could still be used today in fact, even though the 46 bear doesn't really work against the pass offenses we have now but it needs just a few more changes and it could be amazing
fizza jaffery It wouldn't the way the Bears played it, that hit on Ferguson got Marshall a fine. It would probably get him a suspension now. Not to mention the various other similar hits they made.
Putting 8 men in the box like the 46 would be suicide in today's NFL. The trend now is to rush with no more than 5, and only in limited situations, primarily 3rd-and-long. Offenses now use 4 receivers in most sets and 5 in many other formations, which 3 deep DBs couldn't possibly handle. The 46 was the last great defense of the run-first era, which would gradually fade away over the next 20 years.
its a passing league now. 46 is meant for run plays. A slot receiver would cause a lot of trouble and a burner WR would also as there is on 1 safety over the top. It can still work just not as an every down type of defense. DBs can't be as aggressive as they used to be, so consistently stacking 8 guys in the box and leaving your corners on islands against the WRs will backfire eventually. The 46 formation just does not have enough speed on the field to cover 3+ WR sets, which are a lot more common now.
@@Sephiroth766 These days, there are blitzes of six or more if the QB is playing with an empty backfield. Those have become less effective against QBs who can take off and run the ball effectively (Rodgers, Jackson, Mahomes, Murray, Herbert). You probably knew that already.
The 46 was great and this defense was a lot of fun to watch. It is a real testament to his talent that Eric Dickerson did so well against the famed 46 defense. Eric played the Bears in 83, 84 and 86 as a Ram and in 88 as a Colt. He beat the Bears in 83,84 and 86. He had 128, 149 and 114 yards respectively in those games and 4 TDs. In 88 he ran for 100 and a TD in a loss with the Colts. His QBs in those games were Ferragamo, Kemp, Brock, Dills and Hogeboom. In other words the only guy the Bears had to worry about was Eric and in 5 games the only were able to do it once. I can't think of any other player who had repeated success as Dickerson against one of the greatest defenses of all time.
If that was true then the Niners should've beaten them since the West Coast offense was based on short intermediate passes. Marino had a superhuman release and the Dolphins had quick WRs. It was a stop the run/hit the QB type defense and Marino was very hard to sack. If anything, the 46 exposed the slow releasing, slow thinking QBs.
THE 86 Team actually allowed less points per game. I like this style of defense. It is unfortunate that the spread offense completely neutralizes this defense and renders it useless. Then there is the fact that you cannot even look at a QB the wrong way without a penalty. One of the greatest defenses ever and certainly the best of its era.
@John Steudler That's not true at all. The 46 scheme was abandoned for a base 4-3 with sprinkled elements of the 46. Vince Tobin changed it to cater more towards utilizing zone elements. They became more of a bend but not break defense from 86' onward. Yeah, they were even better statistically even better statisically than the 85' team, but it did not have the "go for the jugular" principles that had been instilled throughout Ryan's 46. It was not the same subversive blitz happy defense that Ryan ran, so there's that. I also wouldn't chest flex over beating a rookie Doug Flutie in his second start ever either, lol.. that game was LITERALLY handed on a silver platter to Washington.
You must be forgetting the Rams beat the Bears in 83, 84 and 86. The key was Dickerson putting 100+ yards and 4 TDs on the famed 46. He put another 100 on the Bears in a loss in 88 as a Colt.
The 1986 Bears were actually better, but the Bears offense struggled that year. The Bears won in 85' because they had a good offense to go along with the defense. BTW - when the video claims no one figured out the 85' Bears defense they discount the effort Dan Marino put up to end the Bears perfect season.
@@thfzn That is what I am saying, what stats? if you are referencing the stat of them giving up less points than the 85 D or less rushing TD's than the 85 D, then that is only a single point of reference. The 86 team was no where near the 85 team, defensively speaking. The main stat line is the fact the 1986 Bears opponents combined winning percentage was .394. The 1985 Bears combined opponents winning percentage was .482. Now, why would that be an important figure? simple. The 86 Bears were beating up bad teams. Plain and simple. You play your schedule and they dominated. here is another figure, the 1986 Bears were 12-0 against teams with a sub .500 record. BUT, 2-2 against teams with a .500 or better. They were not performing well against good teams. Last, take the redskins game in the playoffs.....no way the 85 team gets shredded like the 86 team did. if they were truly great, as in 85, it would have been a slaughter. Schematically they were just a different defense. And if they were truly "better" as you say then they would have shut down the Redskins, specifically with a half time lead.
In all fairness, Dan Marino had super human release time and was many times taken off his game and forced to fire short passes. Danny was the G.O.A.T as well, no question
True, but look at Dickerson's numbers. Three wins (83, 84, 86), four 100+ yard games (one as a Colt in 88) and 5 TDs. And he did it on teams with no QB. There was no deception, the Bears knew he was getting the ball and even with 8 and 9 man fronts they couldn't stop him.
@@johnwhyte2638-They shut Dickerson down in the NFC championship game when it counted. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Eric Dickerson. He’s arguably the smoothest running back to ever play the game. He simply glided through defenses. It was a beautiful thing to watch.
@@SJM6791 Oh I know, it still stings lol. I really thought the Rams had a chance since they had won twice already against the Bears. I knew of Brock as I am in Canada and watched his whole CFL career, the only QB better in the CFL from that time was Moon. The Rams stopped trying to run the ball in the second half which I still think was a mistake. They would have been better to try Redden and Dickerson in a split backfield. The crazy thing is Eric had 46 yards and 2 fumbles on 17 carries, Walter had 32 yards and 1 fumble on 18 carries and neither back scored a TD. Two of the best back in football and HOF'ers and you don't get 100 yards rushing combined with them!
Football was fun to watch in 1985. As great as that defense was - and they were - All-Pro DB Todd Bell sat out the '85 season due to a contract dispute. They could have been better.
Both... but anything new usually takes some time getting used to in the NFL. Remember how good the wildcat was? Chip Kelly's offense initially?? After the off-season you need to have players, or update your scheme, for it to keep working. That's why 46 is rarely used now.
The Dolphins were the only team to figure out the 46 that year, but unfortunately they lost to the Patriots terrible team in the AFC championship... It might have been one of the BEST Super Bowls of all time had the Dolphins beat the Pats to go on and play the Chicago Bears in Super Bowl XX! What could have been....
That loss to the Pats was tough, but giving up 255 yards rushing and committing 6 turnovers sank the 'Phins. I don't think Marino could have bested the Bears a second time, and that AFC Championship game showed the Killer Bees couldn't stop the run. Seeing Shula lose another Super Bowl might have been harder to bear than losing to Tony Eason, Craig James and Andre Tippett. I have to admit, though, my 20-year love affair with the Dolphins basically ended with that game. I'd moved to Houston in 1977, and the Oilers with Warren Moon were just starting to get interesting in 1986. But that's another story for another time.
Love the philosophy behind the scheme. Instead of dropping 8 so the DC can show how snarf he is. Let’s send 6,7, or eight to get after the QB so he doesn’t have all day to pick us apart. Go figure
So blitzing seven (7) is genius? How sustainable is this approach? With the talent the Bears had they should have won more than one Super Bowl. Hall Of Fame coach Joe Gibbs acknowledges Buddy Ryan’s achievements during the 1985 season but Gibbs asserts that Bill Belichick gave his team the most trouble because the Giants rarely blitzed and made you work for every thing you got. Belichick would have Lawrence Taylor play the DE position in a 3-4 defensive front and only rush three defenders against the Redskins offensive line and the Giants would manage to sack the QB. Different philosophy, instead of being a Neanderthal and sending the house you would rush only 3 and count on your defenders to defeat their one-on-one matchups or bust double teams.
How sustainable is all these zone drops where backers and db’s looked confused on where they are supposed to be is genius. Qb’s have all day to throw. But if that’s your philosophy go with it. Coaches afraid to play man to man.
Losing Wilbur Marshall was the beginning of the end. The Skins had a tendency of ruining key players from other teams. Marino was the first, Montana was the 2nd but the 46 is frightfully flawed. No one was going empty or 5 or even 4 wide back then. The Bears were just opportunistic in their approach to the offensive systems of the times. Their personnel fit perfectly in Buddy Ryan's schemes. The fact that numerous coaches could not duplicate Buddy's success screams volumes of the flaws in this defensive system. Buddy was warned the night before the Miami game that his scheme would not work against a qb with as quick a release as Marino. He ignored it and it cost him immortality. In today's league he would be considered a sitting duck against modern qbs. Greatest defense ever? No. For one season? Absolutely. Cowboys, niners, Ravens, Bucs all had defenses that could claim that. Even the Eagles under Ryan can make a claim. One season does not make a GOAT. Steelers, Colts, Packers and Giants can claim multiple years of excellence. The 85 Bears just shocked the NFL world. Hard to see it ever happening again. For one season they were the most feared, respected and acknowledged as the GOAT and I personally have a hard time disagreeing with that.
combo of both. It worked back then because most teams ran the ball more than they passed thus it was an effective system. Doing that 46 defense today won't work because teams like the Chiefs and Saints would rip it apart. Also needed the right personnel to make it work.
This isn't the forum for arguing which defense is better. This is about paying respect for one of the greatest defensive coordinators in NFL history. The architect of the famed 46 defense, the great Buddy Ryan. Condolences to Rex, Rob, and all of the Ryan family on behalf of football fans everywhere. Damn; we've lost too many people this year!
Thank you, someone who understands
we lost Pat Summitt and Buddy Ryan before 7 am
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well said RIP BUDDY RYAN
Claude White Exactly. #RiseInPower Buddy Ryan. 85BearsDtheBestever
Singletary, Dent, Mongo, Otis, Perry, Hampton etc these guys were intimidating, powerful, hard hitting, and they put fear in the opponent every time they took the field. The best defense of all time.
RIP Buddy Ryan: Easily the best defensive coordinator of all time.
wade Philips better
+Cameron Anderson stfu.
xBrianQ {Madden Mobile}{iOS Games} lol
i hate Belicheck but Id have to say he was much better than Ryan. BB as defensive coordinator for the Giants was effective in stopping the 49ers , Redskins and Bills when they were in their primes. He also won 2 Superbowls as DC for the Giants during that period
Ryan? he was good for only 1985 with the Bears and was a failure in Houston
Dan Marino disagrees.
What amazes me is how Wilber Marshall still isn't in the HOF.
It's memorizing watching some of his highlights the dude was an absolute monster.
Sadly there are many great players who for whatever reason get left out.
Wilber has a real problem now in the senior pool, which is that a major advantage for senior candidates is being someone a single fanbase is going to prioritize, and a single voter from a certain market is going to prioritize. Riley, Klecko and Howley all either played for one team or basically played for one team (not counting a few years at the start or end). Branch, Pearson, Carmichael, Covert, Dillon, Cliff Harris, Winston Hill, Karras, Shell, Speedie... they were all mainly associated with (or only played with) one team.
Wilber is split between Chicago and Washington. Bears fans are focused on McMichael, and then Hilgenberg and maybe Fortunato. Washington fans are focused on Jacoby and Larry Brown. Sam Mills got in with support coming from both Saints and Panthers fans but that's rare. Voters want to be able to say they "Got our guy in," so who is looking at Wilber as "our guy"? If McMichael or Jacoby get in, or both, people will say, "Well, that's enough of the '85 Bears or the '91 Washington team," but Wilber was arguably the best defender on the '85 Bears and definitely the best on the '86 Bears, and was arguably the best in '91. D.C. DC Richie Petitbon said before SB XXVI that Wilber was their key man, and that's a defense with Darrell Green.
That to me is Wilber's problem now: who is going to use their persuasion capital on him?
Steve McMichael isnt either. Both of them should be in.
RIP the best Defensive Coordinator in the NFL: Buddy Ryan
What stands out whenever I watch '85 Bears highlights is how Frazier and Richardson NEVER get mentioned but the work they had to do on the outside for the 46 to work was massive. Fridge gets a lot of love because of his celebrity, and he was a very good player - I'm not saying otherwise. But we have 11 players on this defense and the video named eight of them. With all love to Dave Duerson, what those corners were asked to do, and what they did do, was incredible and never truly recognized, even today.
Indeed and those corners were playing man to man 90 to 100 percent of the time!!!! The safeties were great blizters and the run stoppers . No they get lost but they need their credit also for what they were asked to do !
Their would be a flag on every play if the 85 Bears played in today's game
I feel like most pro sports have become less entertaining because of all stoppages that happen making games like football and baseball longer and harder to watch for new fans.
True, but I believe that they were such great athletes and football players that they could have modified to today's game and still dominated like they did.
i think by the 1990s and 2000s, the revolution in the spread offenses would have rendered the 46 obsolete. That year the only defeat of the Bears came from Marino where the Dolphins were spread out more to counteract the pressure. It’s just that no one in the 80s was thinking of the spread.
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I'm brazilian and I just love this Bears 85/86 team since I've watched the movie in espn, what a story, what a defense.
Nothing more beautiful than a great defense. As always defense = champions.
i thought it was As always waterboys = champions
+Brandon Stross Adam Sandler=championships
watching today's Bears just pisses me off, always make me go back and watch '85 Bears defense clips, i couldn't wait for the offense to get off the field in those days to see who else those beasts would knock out the game, favorite team ever in any sport, RIP Buddy #GOAT
Even watching the Lovie Smith Bears (especially 2005 & 2006) and the 2001 Bears are a treat to watch compared to the Bears since 2013. Defensively speaking.....
Steve Mc Michael said it best: BEARS QB Jim McMahon was a marked man because the BEARS
attacked your QB so much that season, the other team just had to get even.
That is why Green Bay Charles body slammed QB in 1986. Cost the BEARS another championship run.
BEARS could have gone to super bowl in 184 and in 1986 if Jim McMahon had just stayed healthy.
Richard Dent to this day blames coach Ditka for not managing Jim M. the QB better, should have
kept McMahon healthy! I believe it, looking back at those seasons.
I have never seen anybody put defense together as better than Buddy Ryan you are the best RIP
nobody was bigger dressing room poison.
As a bears fan for 30yrs I'm very sad today, he will be missed hugely & created one of the most iconic defenses in NFL history
Often imitated, never duplicated, the 85 Bears are the greatest defense EVER
keep thinking that while LT and the 1986 Giants dominate everyone
@@LeighMet LMAO 🤣 😂
@@UKBornin1971 why 86 was so much better
@@LeighMet i have never, ever heard an announcer compare a great defense in college or in the NFL to the 86 Giants. The defenses that come out of their mouths are the Steel Curtain Steelers, the Ravens, maybe the Buccaneers, but always the 85 Bears, they are the gold standard and have been for nearly 40 years. They won games before even taking the field.
@@UKBornin1971 So did the 1986 Giants just to little fanfare. People were more inambered the gatorade shower
RIP. 2 Rings and created one of the top defenses. Arguably one of the greatest dc's of all time.
It was unbelievable they actually played just as good if not better in 84' and 86'. Buddy Ryan's schemes changed the game of football. Parcell's and Walsh said the same which for me makes him the greatest defensive mind to ever coach football.
Rest in peace coach. Thank you for the memories.
RIP Buddy Ryan
'85 Bears defense is the best defense ever, period. As a Steelers fan, you Bears fans got my back, these Ravens fans will start running their mouth saying the '00 Ravens defense was better.
actually i wouldn't say the '00 Ravens D was better. Granted in my biased opinion I think that it was a pretty good defense. But honestly the '85 was the best
Don't forget Steelers fans will start running their mouth that the Steel Curtain was better
Statistically it was the '86 Bears but sure, they weren't much different
+Ryan H. lol but we don't though. We run our mouth when Ravens fans say Ed Reed is better than Troy Polamalu LOL
+Solomon Kessington Ed reed and Troy were both very talented Safeys
"may have been.." what? it IS the best defense ever!
Well the Ravens did in 02 was pretty close
@@NickJaime no way, not even REMOTELY close
No Super Bowl defense will hold their 3 or 4 playoff opponents to 10 points like the 1985 Bears did probably ever again because (1) how much the rules have changed to favor offenses over defenses since 1985, (2) the evolution of franchise QBs since 1985, and (3) there simply cannot be a group of characters & talent on a defense that can match the 1985 Bears defense (Samurai Mike, Fridge Perry, Sack Man Dent, Danimal Hampton, Mongo McMichael, Hit Man Fencik, Otis & Wilbur, and Duerson) because I don't think GMs now would allow that many characters on the same team honestly LOL.
Well, this comment didn't age too well.
Bill Belichick said to hold his beer. :P
Only reason number 3 is valid
Rip Buddy Ryan greatest defensive coach ever.
R.I.P. Buddy....Thanks for that great 46 D
It wasn't Buddy Ryan who made that defense it was the players on that 85 Bears that made it, Dan Marino and Shula had it figured out, short pass quick release, their only loss in 85.
if you watch that game the dolphins picked up so many 3 rd and longs and steve fuller is steve fuller
The 00 Ravens had an awesome Defense with Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and the Boys...BUT! That 85" Chi-Town Bears was something spectacular to witness and NOOOOOO ONE had an answer for The Late Great Mr. Buddy Ryan's 46 Defensive scheme ..NO ONE...Plusbhe drafted Killers..Singletary, Perry and those boys...Yeah 85 "BEARS BEST DEFENSE AND BEST DEFENSIVE CORDINATOR IN NFL HISTORY PERIOD!!!!! MR. BUDDY RYAN
To be honest, the 85 defense in my opinion has to be one of the most important defense in NFL history. Excluding the revolutionary 46 defense, the 85 Bears unfortunately, had many players that had neurological diseases in their retirement. One of the players in the defense committed suicide in their retirement, which led to the development of concussion protocol in the NFL. It's a sad outcome for such a good team, but these guys contributed so much to keep guys careers from being completely shattered.
Best defense of all time, period!!!!
The 85 Bears are the best team ever. Any others come up short. This team could do it all and then some.
RIP Bud
That last quote by Singletary pretty much sums up the '85 Bears. They were terrifying.
R.I.P. Buddy Ryan
The greatest defense of all time.
This 85 defense would’ve been flagged out the league if they played today
I counted about 1000 leading with the helmet penalties 😂😂😂
Best Defense ever ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍🏿👍
Best team ever
This system was amazing. No o line was safe from the bears
I really wish Buddy Ryan would get ALL the credit for Super Bowl they won. Mike Dika got FAMOUS from Buddy Ryan. PERIOD!!!!!! Yes I said it. Yes I mean it. COPY??!
Best run defense ever. Passing wise I gotta go with LOB or the bucs
They had a hell of a time stopping Dickerson. Every time they played him the TV announcer would say the Bears haven't given up 100 yards in "x" number of games and then they would say the last back to run for 100 was Dickerson. He put 4 100+ games and 5 TDs and 3 wins in 5 meetings against the Bears.
This video inspires me to be a better man.
Respect.
That's a lotta roughing the passing calls uncalled. Jeez, NFL today.
77 Falcons
Didn't realize he was Bob's and Rex's dad til today, rip Buddy.
"We're gonna hit your quarterback... until you get another one in" - I'll never forget the 85-86 season. That defense.. Lordy.
85 Bears were the best TEAM in NFL history
IF YOU WANT RESULTS, PRESSURE IS THE KEY. IT WORKS IN FOOTBALL AND IN LIFE
DA BEARS!
Rest in Piece.
Best defense of all time, only other team worth mentioning is the Steel Curtain.
W
2000 Ravens?
+Ryan H. As another team worth mentioning
Yea 2000 Ravens are worth mentioning
+Ryan H. yeah I have them top 5 all time for sure.
2:40 pretty sure Joe Fergeson was deceased at that point.
The 46 Defense could still be used today in fact, even though the 46 bear doesn't really work against the pass offenses we have now but it needs just a few more changes and it could be amazing
fizza jaffery It wouldn't the way the Bears played it, that hit on Ferguson got Marshall a fine. It would probably get him a suspension now. Not to mention the various other similar hits they made.
Putting 8 men in the box like the 46 would be suicide in today's NFL. The trend now is to rush with no more than 5, and only in limited situations, primarily 3rd-and-long. Offenses now use 4 receivers in most sets and 5 in many other formations, which 3 deep DBs couldn't possibly handle. The 46 was the last great defense of the run-first era, which would gradually fade away over the next 20 years.
its a passing league now. 46 is meant for run plays. A slot receiver would cause a lot of trouble and a burner WR would also as there is on 1 safety over the top. It can still work just not as an every down type of defense. DBs can't be as aggressive as they used to be, so consistently stacking 8 guys in the box and leaving your corners on islands against the WRs will backfire eventually. The 46 formation just does not have enough speed on the field to cover 3+ WR sets, which are a lot more common now.
@@Sephiroth766 These days, there are blitzes of six or more if the QB is playing with an empty backfield. Those have become less effective against QBs who can take off and run the ball effectively (Rodgers, Jackson, Mahomes, Murray, Herbert). You probably knew that already.
is it just me or did the bears have darker (more intimidating) uniforms back then?
The 46 was great and this defense was a lot of fun to watch. It is a real testament to his talent that Eric Dickerson did so well against the famed 46 defense. Eric played the Bears in 83, 84 and 86 as a Ram and in 88 as a Colt. He beat the Bears in 83,84 and 86. He had 128, 149 and 114 yards respectively in those games and 4 TDs. In 88 he ran for 100 and a TD in a loss with the Colts. His QBs in those games were Ferragamo, Kemp, Brock, Dills and Hogeboom. In other words the only guy the Bears had to worry about was Eric and in 5 games the only were able to do it once. I can't think of any other player who had repeated success as Dickerson against one of the greatest defenses of all time.
though in 1985 they didn't let him slide and shut out the rams in the nfc championship
real football kids that last minute speech gave me goosebumps
GOAT. Easily #FlyEaglesFly
Will be missed.
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In 1985, nobody figured it out...except the 1985 Dolphins.
The bears really engage 8 they ways into a ring
I miss great defense in all levels of football
I could listen to Singletary talk football all day long
That real football
No, it's basketball
Nice Clip
dan marino - oh yes
Hefty Lefty sighting at 0:16
There's not a question.
Imagine how many targeting penalties the 46 defense would have gotten in the day. Tons.
RIP
The 46 was impressive, but like all defenses, it had a weakness. The dolphins exposed it. Short, quick passes.
If that was true then the Niners should've beaten them since the West Coast offense was based on short intermediate passes. Marino had a superhuman release and the Dolphins had quick WRs. It was a stop the run/hit the QB type defense and Marino was very hard to sack. If anything, the 46 exposed the slow releasing, slow thinking QBs.
@@KTF0 49ers did manage to beat them in 1988 and beat the Buddy Ryans Eagles when they played them
Dickerson exposed them too! He put four 100+ yard games in five meetings against the Bears and beat them 3 out of 4 games as a Ram.
I still relish those moments! That's what we do! Lol
It was the greatest
Soldier Field turf, a rug pulled over a parking lot. Ouch!
THE 86 Team actually allowed less points per game. I like this style of defense. It is unfortunate that the spread offense completely neutralizes this defense and renders it useless. Then there is the fact that you cannot even look at a QB the wrong way without a penalty. One of the greatest defenses ever and certainly the best of its era.
the goat
2:01 is nastyyy
The Best Defense, no argument whatsoever
No one will ever figure out about the 46 defense to this day.
short passes
@John Steudler That's not true at all. The 46 scheme was abandoned for a base 4-3 with sprinkled elements of the 46. Vince Tobin changed it to cater more towards utilizing zone elements. They became more of a bend but not break defense from 86' onward. Yeah, they were even better statistically even better statisically than the 85' team, but it did not have the "go for the jugular" principles that had been instilled throughout Ryan's 46. It was not the same subversive blitz happy defense that Ryan ran, so there's that. I also wouldn't chest flex over beating a rookie Doug Flutie in his second start ever either, lol.. that game was LITERALLY handed on a silver platter to Washington.
You must be forgetting the Rams beat the Bears in 83, 84 and 86. The key was Dickerson putting 100+ yards and 4 TDs on the famed 46. He put another 100 on the Bears in a loss in 88 as a Colt.
To bad you can’t play the game like that anymore 😥
Greatest Defense Ever! If you say the '15 Broncos, '13 Seahawks, 00 Ravens or 02 Bucs you're delusional.
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Steeler Curtain?
Shogun147 2002 bucs
The 1986 Bears were actually better, but the Bears offense struggled that year. The Bears won in 85' because they had a good offense to go along with the defense. BTW - when the video claims no one figured out the 85' Bears defense they discount the effort Dan Marino put up to end the Bears perfect season.
Disagree with the 1986 bears defense being better than the 1985 Defense.
Mitchy Kramer Check the stats.
@@thfzn That is what I am saying, what stats? if you are referencing the stat of them giving up less points than the 85 D or less rushing TD's than the 85 D, then that is only a single point of reference. The 86 team was no where near the 85 team, defensively speaking. The main stat line is the fact the 1986 Bears opponents combined winning percentage was .394. The 1985 Bears combined opponents winning percentage was .482. Now, why would that be an important figure? simple. The 86 Bears were beating up bad teams. Plain and simple. You play your schedule and they dominated. here is another figure, the 1986 Bears were 12-0 against teams with a sub .500 record. BUT, 2-2 against teams with a .500 or better. They were not performing well against good teams. Last, take the redskins game in the playoffs.....no way the 85 team gets shredded like the 86 team did. if they were truly great, as in 85, it would have been a slaughter. Schematically they were just a different defense. And if they were truly "better" as you say then they would have shut down the Redskins, specifically with a half time lead.
My boy Dan Marino exposed the 46 Defense. That being said, I still think the 85 Bears Defense is greatest of all time.
In all fairness, Dan Marino had super human release time and was many times taken off his game and forced to fire short passes. Danny was the G.O.A.T as well, no question
True, but look at Dickerson's numbers. Three wins (83, 84, 86), four 100+ yard games (one as a Colt in 88) and 5 TDs. And he did it on teams with no QB. There was no deception, the Bears knew he was getting the ball and even with 8 and 9 man fronts they couldn't stop him.
@@johnwhyte2638-They shut Dickerson down in the NFC championship game when it counted. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Eric Dickerson. He’s arguably the smoothest running back to ever play the game. He simply glided through defenses. It was a beautiful thing to watch.
@@SJM6791 Oh I know, it still stings lol. I really thought the Rams had a chance since they had won twice already against the Bears. I knew of Brock as I am in Canada and watched his whole CFL career, the only QB better in the CFL from that time was Moon. The Rams stopped trying to run the ball in the second half which I still think was a mistake. They would have been better to try Redden and Dickerson in a split backfield. The crazy thing is Eric had 46 yards and 2 fumbles on 17 carries, Walter had 32 yards and 1 fumble on 18 carries and neither back scored a TD. Two of the best back in football and HOF'ers and you don't get 100 yards rushing combined with them!
Then he watched them win a Super Bowl something he never did cause he wasn’t good enough
Football was fun to watch in 1985. As great as that defense was - and they were - All-Pro DB Todd Bell sat out the '85 season due to a contract dispute. They could have been better.
46 bears=gangsta
The 46 defense is as nasty as you wanna get.... dayum y’all.
Was this defense so great, because the 85 Bears stacked their team with all the best defensive players or was it their system and playbook?
Both... but anything new usually takes some time getting used to in the NFL. Remember how good the wildcat was? Chip Kelly's offense initially?? After the off-season you need to have players, or update your scheme, for it to keep working. That's why 46 is rarely used now.
The Dolphins were the only team to figure out the 46 that year, but unfortunately they lost to the Patriots terrible team in the AFC championship... It might have been one of the BEST Super Bowls of all time had the Dolphins beat the Pats to go on and play the Chicago Bears in Super Bowl XX!
What could have been....
That loss to the Pats was tough, but giving up 255 yards rushing and committing 6 turnovers sank the 'Phins. I don't think Marino could have bested the Bears a second time, and that AFC Championship game showed the Killer Bees couldn't stop the run. Seeing Shula lose another Super Bowl might have been harder to bear than losing to Tony Eason, Craig James and Andre Tippett. I have to admit, though, my 20-year love affair with the Dolphins basically ended with that game. I'd moved to Houston in 1977, and the Oilers with Warren Moon were just starting to get interesting in 1986. But that's another story for another time.
Back in the days when the QB signed a Life Insurance policy
Ah the 4-6. Objective: Take the team picture on the QB!
Whats the song in the background when they were all getting sacks?
David Robidoux - Heroes Will Overcome
I wish Miami had beaten NE and we got a rematch in the Super Bowl. Would have been way more entertaining than the 46-10 blowout
Love the philosophy behind the scheme. Instead of dropping 8 so the DC can show how snarf he is. Let’s send 6,7, or eight to get after the QB so he doesn’t have all day to pick us apart. Go figure
So blitzing seven (7) is genius? How sustainable is this approach? With the talent the Bears had they should have won more than one Super Bowl. Hall Of Fame coach Joe Gibbs acknowledges Buddy Ryan’s achievements during the 1985 season but Gibbs asserts that Bill Belichick gave his team the most trouble because the Giants rarely blitzed and made you work for every thing you got. Belichick would have Lawrence Taylor play the DE position in a 3-4 defensive front and only rush three defenders against the Redskins offensive line and the Giants would manage to sack the QB. Different philosophy, instead of being a Neanderthal and sending the house you would rush only 3 and count on your defenders to defeat their one-on-one matchups or bust double teams.
How sustainable is all these zone drops where backers and db’s looked confused on where they are supposed to be is genius. Qb’s have all day to throw. But if that’s your philosophy go with it. Coaches afraid to play man to man.
That's what we do
Losing Wilbur Marshall was the beginning of the end. The Skins had a tendency of ruining key players from other teams. Marino was the first, Montana was the 2nd but the 46 is frightfully flawed. No one was going empty or 5 or even 4 wide back then. The Bears were just opportunistic in their approach to the offensive systems of the times. Their personnel fit perfectly in Buddy Ryan's schemes. The fact that numerous coaches could not duplicate Buddy's success screams volumes of the flaws in this defensive system. Buddy was warned the night before the Miami game that his scheme would not work against a qb with as quick a release as Marino. He ignored it and it cost him immortality. In today's league he would be considered a sitting duck against modern qbs. Greatest defense ever? No. For one season? Absolutely. Cowboys, niners, Ravens, Bucs all had defenses that could claim that. Even the Eagles under Ryan can make a claim. One season does not make a GOAT. Steelers, Colts, Packers and Giants can claim multiple years of excellence. The 85 Bears just shocked the NFL world. Hard to see it ever happening again. For one season they were the most feared, respected and acknowledged as the GOAT and I personally have a hard time disagreeing with that.
It's tough being a bears fan🙄
They have one part wrong in the video. The Miami Dolphins figured it out with Dan Marino at the helm.
Buddy Ryan or Mike Singletary?
still haven't won a Superbowl since 85
And they only played one 12 win team and that team beat them (Dolphins, Dan Marino)
+Shogun147 L
But the 85 pats beat down Dan Marino's dolphins in the AFC Championship game.
There are still teams that haven't won a super bowl.
Was that Brett farve!
No
Is this defense so unstoppable due to having all the best linemen on the same team, or because of their playbook and defensive system?
combo of both. It worked back then because most teams ran the ball more than they passed thus it was an effective system. Doing that 46 defense today won't work because teams like the Chiefs and Saints would rip it apart. Also needed the right personnel to make it work.
Almost expect Hipple to come put of these hits flat as a pancake like in the cartoons
Dan Marino did ok with it.
How about 70s raider offensive line. Three hall of fame linemen. Jim Otto,Gene upshaw and Art shell
I wonder if given the right players in today's game if they can somewhat replicate the 46 defense?
"In 1985 no one figured it out" wrong Miami figured it out