Great video mate. It is yet another example of Roland not developing their platforms fully. I love their stuff - but they always seem to miss R&D and BETA testing feedback. Some of your ideas are probably more "nice to have" - but the first few are really needed.
All good points! Also other filter models would boost this nice machine . However, I lost a little bit the hope that there will be any updates. From Roland only silence, I tried my luck with the German service contact…
Hello, I agree with all the requests. I'm not sure that the processing of the input signal is possible from a hardware point of view. Like the Boutiques, the input seems to be mixed after the DAC, in the analog domain. Regarding the ability to record out of the grid, this feature might lead to rebuild the sequencer's software; thus, adding swing to a track is already a good way to humanize this one. Parameter locking and 128 steps per pattern can be implemented only if the memory size allows it to. According to me, 128 steps instead of 64 per pattern is the priority for a next update, along with an enhanced storage policy .
If Roland tells us what can and can't be done, we'd be happy. I mean, if there are hardware or cost limitations, we ask Roland to tell us. I think Roland will eventually answer to the community, it owes them. Thanks for your detailed comment!
Agreed with all of these except count in, see where ya are in sequencer, and saving is fine for me I like it for saving patches and not the whole song 🎧. LFO on a drum track, be able to use internal fx in line in are the most important to me off grid recording.
@@antikytheramechanism7909 I think they will know much we care from the likes and commenta this video will get and eventually they will have lo listen 💚
@@malvinusmusic 128 steps, pattern chain or better arranger, count in, metronome, tones with pattern save which is currently a nightmare with all that time waste and accidental overwrite, and CPU optimizations! But I do get sometimes phenomenal sounds and grooves. Using only part 5 (drums) can get you outstading drum loops. It's a great addition already. But I use that material and continue in a DAW of course.
@@suffpapst all good points! I agree that SH-4d is a great sounding synthesizer, but I do believe it would become top notch in its price range after these updates! Thanks for stopping by!
Keeping mine around just because it looks good on the desk, the presets are nice when I can find them to pass the time, got irritated with literally everything else about it, though I know there is more to this thing than I have the patience for.
The presets are very nice, and the ability to have four synth tracks plus rhythm is useful. I can live using it as a sound bank with an external sequencer, as it is aimed to, but I hope Roland will eventually release and update. Thanks for coming, cheers!
Roland had 32 bars on the MC 303. About 30 years ago... And it was not difficult to operate. Why synth companies limit the number of bars is one of the great mysteries to me. It's such a downer of creativity....
I jut sold mine even though I liked it because it feels like abandonware. OTOH I'm not that bothered about sequencer changes. I don't know where you got this list but it seems to focusing almost entirely on the sequencer and missing the things I would have liked to see on the synth side (more PCM samples, user wavetables for example. Also class-compliant USB).
How about class-compliant audio output? That would seem like an easy change because they already do per-channel audio with Windows and Mac drivers but you can't do it with any other platform. If they would just dedicate some resources to instead shifting to class-compliant audio then they could cut both of those development teams (for each driver package) or turn them over to working on the other stuff that you mentioned in the video. Yeah, I'm a Linux user primarily and so I'm obviously passionate about this. It seems like such a ridiculous oversight especially as they do provide audio output over USB but only mixed. I don't want it mixed; I want discrete channels!
I know for sure that Roland is watching my videos, but I am not in touch with someone at Roland. I do believe they'll do what better matches their goals, unfortunately I don't know what they are...
The SH-4d was never meant to be a groove box, so the first 5 points become moot when using an external sequencer. I have a System 8, amazing synth, but you wouldn't catch me dead using it's sequencer. The last two are big ones though, what's the point of line in if not for running things through fx? Also why isn't there a set performance save option already? Seems weird
You are right, I often say SH-4D is not a groove box as well. I also made videos on controlling SH from external sequencer. But since it has groove box functions, why not have better ones? Thanks for your comment, really appreciated!
It's a controversial issue. Some people ask for it, others wouldn't know what to do with it. But if there was, it would still be a useful thing, at least for some. Thanks for sharing!
I want to buy one but I'm afraid of being disappointed because I'm too used to the workflow of electribes, Roland please make an update so that I can buy it like many others
It's very straightforward, don't be scared 😊. It sounds well and you can use it as barely as a 4 track-synth + rhythm. Nevertheless, you can use It with its own sequencer, it's basic but... It gets the job done. That said, we hope for the update! Thanks for sharing!
Mostly missing bonus nr. 1. At least change the backup format and extend the midi implementation. We can build our own editor and library manager if they don’t want to as long as the device supports it. But I doubt Roland is going to add any of these improvements.
Roland doesn't chase ghosts 😂They just badly remake their original classics and sell TR-808 themed sportswear. That said I own this device and I like it. All the things you mention would be welcome. Though for the requested software I think we'd be better off making our own in the community. I'm not quite sure they can offer the FX being used on the audio in, it might not go through the DSP.
A third-party editor/librarian would be great, but as far as I know there isn't one at the moment. What I'm hoping for isn't necessarily an update from Roland, but at least a formal response to these requests. Thanks for stopping by!
It would be great, but we have to keep in mind that the sequencer in the SH-4d is just a bonus, and we can over come its limitations by using an external gear like the Oxi One
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Great video mate. It is yet another example of Roland not developing their platforms fully. I love their stuff - but they always seem to miss R&D and BETA testing feedback. Some of your ideas are probably more "nice to have" - but the first few are really needed.
@@ranzee I collected the wishes of the network, let's hope Roland listens to us this time, thanks!
I would love these updates! The SH-4d is such a sleeper synth.
@@JonManness yes!
Agreed 👍
All good points! Also other filter models would boost this nice machine .
However, I lost a little bit the hope that there will be any updates. From Roland only silence, I tried my luck with the German service contact…
@@inductor5479 in Italy we say: hope is the last to die... Yeah other filter models would be great!
Good video. You hit all the good spots. Also more PCM sounds. Tons more.
@@osands absolutely, PCM sounds are too few! Thank you!
Hello, I agree with all the requests. I'm not sure that the processing of the input signal is possible from a hardware point of view. Like the Boutiques, the input seems to be mixed after the DAC, in the analog domain.
Regarding the ability to record out of the grid, this feature might lead to rebuild the sequencer's software; thus, adding swing to a track is already a good way to humanize this one.
Parameter locking and 128 steps per pattern can be implemented only if the memory size allows it to.
According to me, 128 steps instead of 64 per pattern is the priority for a next update, along with an enhanced storage policy .
If Roland tells us what can and can't be done, we'd be happy. I mean, if there are hardware or cost limitations, we ask Roland to tell us. I think Roland will eventually answer to the community, it owes them. Thanks for your detailed comment!
I'm with you in all the points you talked about... Let's hope they are really listening to us...
@@DecibelDisorder thanks for stopping by!
So what is the update? Have you heard anything back about these changes possibly being made?
So far I'm afraid we'll never got the update
Roland Please we need it ASAP
I finally got frustrated enough that I traded in my SH4D for an MC707. I am very glad I did this.
@@wendelynmusic I understand you very well 💚
Agreed with all of these except count in, see where ya are in sequencer, and saving is fine for me I like it for saving patches and not the whole song 🎧. LFO on a drum track, be able to use internal fx in line in are the most important to me off grid recording.
@@SonicVibe thanks for sharing!
If past experience is anything, no, they are not listening to the customer at all. I actually think they dislike customers.
@@antikytheramechanism7909 I think they will know much we care from the likes and commenta this video will get and eventually they will have lo listen 💚
The only update needed is to store all sounds with the pattern.
Other requests all increase CPU, very bad idea, except 128 steps, thats a good one.
nah trig conditions are also a must.
@@suffpapst thank you for your comment!
@@osands It the CPU is aready exhausted I don't need it. Buy an Elektron ;).
@@malvinusmusic 128 steps, pattern chain or better arranger, count in, metronome, tones with pattern save which is currently a nightmare with all that time waste and accidental overwrite, and CPU optimizations! But I do get sometimes phenomenal sounds and grooves. Using only part 5 (drums) can get you outstading drum loops. It's a great addition already. But I use that material and continue in a DAW of course.
@@suffpapst all good points! I agree that SH-4d is a great sounding synthesizer, but I do believe it would become top notch in its price range after these updates! Thanks for stopping by!
Has there ever been an update ?
@snorrevonflake yep! The current is 1.03
Keeping mine around just because it looks good on the desk, the presets are nice when I can find them to pass the time, got irritated with literally everything else about it, though I know there is more to this thing than I have the patience for.
The presets are very nice, and the ability to have four synth tracks plus rhythm is useful. I can live using it as a sound bank with an external sequencer, as it is aimed to, but I hope Roland will eventually release and update. Thanks for coming, cheers!
Roland had 32 bars on the MC 303. About 30 years ago... And it was not difficult to operate. Why synth companies limit the number of bars is one of the great mysteries to me. It's such a downer of creativity....
I jut sold mine even though I liked it because it feels like abandonware. OTOH I'm not that bothered about sequencer changes. I don't know where you got this list but it seems to focusing almost entirely on the sequencer and missing the things I would have liked to see on the synth side (more PCM samples, user wavetables for example. Also class-compliant USB).
Absolutely, It is a synth after all, I would like more sounds as well! Thanks for your comment!
How about class-compliant audio output? That would seem like an easy change because they already do per-channel audio with Windows and Mac drivers but you can't do it with any other platform. If they would just dedicate some resources to instead shifting to class-compliant audio then they could cut both of those development teams (for each driver package) or turn them over to working on the other stuff that you mentioned in the video.
Yeah, I'm a Linux user primarily and so I'm obviously passionate about this. It seems like such a ridiculous oversight especially as they do provide audio output over USB but only mixed. I don't want it mixed; I want discrete channels!
@@agh8459 I'd love if SH-4d was class-compliant!
Silence from Roland? Is there no chance to adress another direct channel to Roland?
I know for sure that Roland is watching my videos, but I am not in touch with someone at Roland. I do believe they'll do what better matches their goals, unfortunately I don't know what they are...
The SH-4d was never meant to be a groove box, so the first 5 points become moot when using an external sequencer. I have a System 8, amazing synth, but you wouldn't catch me dead using it's sequencer. The last two are big ones though, what's the point of line in if not for running things through fx? Also why isn't there a set performance save option already? Seems weird
You are right, I often say SH-4D is not a groove box as well. I also made videos on controlling SH from external sequencer. But since it has groove box functions, why not have better ones? Thanks for your comment, really appreciated!
I was going to say expand the PCM engine to include D50, JD800 and XV5080.
Thank you, I agree!
What about songmode?
It's a controversial issue. Some people ask for it, others wouldn't know what to do with it. But if there was, it would still be a useful thing, at least for some. Thanks for sharing!
I want to buy one but I'm afraid of being disappointed because I'm too used to the workflow of electribes, Roland please make an update so that I can buy it like many others
It's very straightforward, don't be scared 😊. It sounds well and you can use it as barely as a 4 track-synth + rhythm. Nevertheless, you can use It with its own sequencer, it's basic but... It gets the job done. That said, we hope for the update! Thanks for sharing!
I would love to have the ability to record the aux in via USB.
@@gordtanner8332 It would be great as well!
Record unquantized and more pcm samples acoustic guitar, violin, flute, and piano. Please 🙏 Roland
@@loubang100 thank you Mate!
IS OVERDUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mostly missing bonus nr. 1. At least change the backup format and extend the midi implementation. We can build our own editor and library manager if they don’t want to as long as the device supports it. But I doubt Roland is going to add any of these improvements.
@@SonicWalkerMix third party editor/librarian would be also great!
Roland doesn't chase ghosts 😂They just badly remake their original classics and sell TR-808 themed sportswear. That said I own this device and I like it. All the things you mention would be welcome. Though for the requested software I think we'd be better off making our own in the community. I'm not quite sure they can offer the FX being used on the audio in, it might not go through the DSP.
A third-party editor/librarian would be great, but as far as I know there isn't one at the moment. What I'm hoping for isn't necessarily an update from Roland, but at least a formal response to these requests. Thanks for stopping by!
One button recording
Thank you for stopping by!
I can sadly assure you they do not care about end user requests.
@@earthhuman5448 how do you know It?
I just need 128 steps, everything else it’s just fine, i have 2 sh-4d, but i thing Roland never listen to the customer
It would be great, but we have to keep in mind that the sequencer in the SH-4d is just a bonus, and we can over come its limitations by using an external gear like the Oxi One
i recoment unquantized recordings
Sure!