If Gabriel asked Marinete to not to tell the truth that means that the past memories are still there, otherwise she wouldn't have to lie because no one would remember.
Seriously guys!😂on the news in the show they were talking about monarch and ladybug and cat noir and how ladybug “defeated” monarch, or at least they thought she defeated him 😮😅
@@Cyno123 I don't think she knows, and even if she did they would make her forget like they did when she found out about Gabriel having the miraculous.
the finale was just so chaotic, everything happened in a flash, everything just happened soooo suddenly like ladybug found out gabriel was monarch just like that, monarch found out marinette is ladybug/ladynoire/bugnoir and it was just pure chaos and confusing
Explain the one scene of the pink sparkly haze. I believe right before the world was remade Marinette saw an ready akuma and took it herself and activated the pig miraculous ring and use GIFT! On the entire world.
I just realized Gabriel told Marinette not to tell Adrian that he was Monarch but if Ladybug chooses to tell Chat Noir she will technically be telling Adrian
I personally would like to not be Emilie because she herself accepted her death and didn't want to go back, also the other characters that always wanted Gabriel to move on and take care of his son who was still there instead of being stuck in the past.
In particular, she said in the video that she didn't want him to bring her back because she didn't want someone else to have to pay for their mistake. That does seem to suggest that she would've been OK with him bringing her back if it didn't mean that someone else had to die, but since that doesn't appear to be possible, I think it's a moot point.
@@karensteimle1977 she might not remember, but if she does then it would be difficult for her, anything bad would make her worried thinking it could be a consequence of the wish.
@@belynda1224 This statue may also have other symbolism, everyone thought that Emilie had died but her body was hidden the whole time, so what if the statue of Gabriel replacing Emilie's represents that he is also still there while everyone thinks he is gone? The fact that we don't know what he wanted and that strange light that scares Lila are very suspicious, and in the original storybord it was supposed to have an evil man laugh, and Gabriel started laughing like that.
As Sass explains it in "Ephemeral", the universe is literally erased from the point where something had to change for the Wish to be fulfilled, and then re-written. For Nathalie and/or Emilie to be unharmed by the peacock miraculous, Gabriel's wish must have been for the peacock miraculous to not be broken when they used it. As such, the universe was un-done and re-made from either the S2 finale, or from the flashback in "Evolution". (which also establishes that "fixing the peacock miraculous before Emilie used it" was the plan all along) The one thing that changed might've been that the butterfly miraculous broke instead, so HE would still be doomed the moment he started using it. If Emilie is alive, this means that neither she nor Nathalie grew ill and died because of the peacock miraculous. (and neither did Colt or whoever made Kagami, though this of course doesn't mean the new universe had them die in a different way) If Emilie never died then Gabriel's abuse of Adrien is unlikely to have happened (at least not to the extent it does in the old universe) and Adrien in fact lived a happy life with a father he had every reason to remember fondly. It leaves open the question of why Gabriel became Hawk Moth when the wife was still around, but this was by all accounts compeltely fine with the writers at a fairly late point in production ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The only thing I can think of, is that he became Hawkmoth to try & get the wish to turn Adrien from a human-like Sentibeing into a different living being like the other human characters. But it begs the question, was Emilie involved in this new universe?
I agree that he could have wished that the Butterfly was damaged instead, that makes perfect sense and could fit with the ending when Lila puts it on and something terrifying seems to appear in electricity. But with how the wish works, it doesn't affect the past in the way we're used to seeing when stories get into time travel. We don't need to worry about paradoxes because Gimmi isn't restricted by things having to make perfect sense. So the past is what it was until the wish happened then the newly created reality reflects the wish from the the moment of the wish on...even if it doesn't make sense as a whole. The final scenes of Re-creation show us that both general events in Paris and events specific to the Miraculous and the final fight happened as we saw them throughout the show. After the wish the new reality starts and from then on exists as if whatever Gabriel wished happened...but only since the time of the wish. So if he wished that the Butterfly was broken instead of the Peacock, then the effects for him, Nathalie, Emelie, etc take place after he makes the wish. Those affected by the broken Peacock are brought back/healed and Gabriel dies. Right? Well there's a little problem with that... The Butterfly might have already been broken. Cat Noir's cataclysm was to Monarch's arm but what if that affected the Butterfly? It might have directly or though Gabriel using the Butterfly while his body was slowly succumbing to cataclysm. We saw the crackling electricity every time Hawkmoth made an akuma...but was that just coming from Gabriel or the Miraculous and/or Nooroo as well? When Lila put the Butterfly on sonething affected gravity, created bright light and electricity and terrified her...what happened to Nooroo? Was this the effect of the cataclysm on butterfly Miraculous or the wish...or both? Maybe Gabriel's wish had unintended side effects, maybe his wish was different and more sinister than it seemed, or maybe it backfired on him.
Either Emilie reappeared at the time of the wish and everyone is oblivious, or the wish rewrote the universe in a way that Emilie was never hurt by the peacock miraculous, but in that case it’s not possible monarch existed as his motivation wouldn’t be there. All in all I just hope they give this a GOOD explanation and don’t gloss it over or leave us guessing forever.
A lot of people are talking about how there would be no motivation. Clearly they had some motivation at first or something like that because Gabriel and Emilie were suing the peacock and the butterfly miraculous before she got injured from it. I’m not sure if maybe they were using it for good, or even what they were using it for but that does leave some explanation
That is Amelie. Here's why: Gabriel before making the wish said that he only wanted to change ONE thing and that he'd sacrafise himself for someone else. That couldn't have been Emilie, because than Nathalie would still be dead, but she's just fine as we see at the pool party. It makes sense that Gabriel brought back Nathalie, because Emilie herself said that she didn't wanted to be brought back and it's easier to believe that Nathalie made a "natural recovery". The theory where Gabriel wished for the peacock miraculous to never be broken is just wrong. That wish would've completely rewrite history. Gabriel never would've became Hawkmoth and the present would be very different, but obviously everyone remembers what Monarch/ShadowMoth/Hawkmoth had done. Not to mention that an another miraculous had to be broken.
So thus,we can expect that the Butterfly miraculous was broken in the hands of Cerise,that's why we saw something happening to her in the end of Re-creation(The Last Day - Part 2).
@@virenderkaur9038 if the peacock miraculous hadn't been broken, gabriel would have never had a reason to use the butterfly miraculous, hence monarch doesn't exist. There is no way gabriel's wish is reversing the peacock miraculous damage
I think your theory makes the most sense and is perfectly reasonable, as the past can remain the same, and only the present would change to heal Natalie. It would also mean that only ONE thing changed, as Gabriel said.
From what I recall from the leaks I read in the past Gabriels wish was for a world that would make Adrien Happy, that explains why Pairs is so different, the Mansion has changed, and everyone except M has forgotten how awful Gab was in exchange for his life. As for the balance part, I believe that has to do with the mysterious entity that made Lila scream at the end and how I believe the next arc will go down. Gabriel wished for Adriens perfect world, however to balance this out a new evil has to enter the world and depending on how much Gabs wished changed things the next arc may become a horror show, in Lila’s lair there is a map of Paris and behind it is a painting of a tsunami symbolizing a wave of destruction is going to swallow the city thanks to Lila. I really feel that the next arc will slowly tear everything M slowly built up over the first arc because Paris is basically the exact opposite of what it was at the beginning of S1, M as all the hero’s including Felix on her side, Chloe is gone, and she and Adrien are finally together, I really can see her finally reaching the end of her Luck and taking some major loses. I would love to hear what you think about my theory.
im unsure if everyone has forgotten though, but it's also been 2 months! it's been quite a while completely agree with the balance! the world is far too perfect, so soemthing horrible has to happen. but i'm not sure the wall painting of the tsunami means that. firstly, paris isn't near the ocean so wouldn't be able to be consumed by a tsunami, secondly they are caused by underwater earthquakes of which a tetonic plate boundary is needed and i think the nearest one in France is by the Alps which isn't the right kind of boudnary for an earthquake, and thirdly, the place where Lila is based on an actual room in the catacombs called 'La mer'. but i do agree things will end badly!
@@hazeclarke The Tsunami is a Metaphor, like the calm before the storm saying when its quiet and calm before the guns start blazing sort of thing. What I meant is that Lila is going to bring a wave of horror and destruction that the heros have never seen before and Paris will be helpless against it. This will be due to the balance of the universe fixing itself.
The thing is that the changes of Paris had nothing to do with the wish, its supposed to be the morale of the story : we can change the world withouth the miraculous and withouth sacrificing too much
I want it to be Amelie because it changes the entire message of the show and the finale. If it’s Amelie, then the idea here is to let go. Marinette says that Adrien learned to live on. Emilie didn’t want to be back, she wanted Gabriel and Adrien to live without her too. It’s the right choice. Gabriel was the only one who couldn’t let go and therefore for 5 seasons tried to bring back Emilie. The way I see it, Marinette convinced him finally and he makes the right choice in the end, letting go of Emilie and saving Nathalie. It’s very logical to me too. And if it’s Emilie, then Gabriel brings back someone who didn’t want to be back. He also sacrifices some lives which is something Emilie didn’t want. Adrien moved on yet he brings him Emilie back. And the only one who wanted her back was he himself, but Gabriel now can’t be with her cause he’s gone so what’s the point? So, if it’s Amelie, the writers are saying to us it’s ok to let go, sometimes you need to. And if it’s Emilie, then what is this story about? If you’re evil enough, you can succeed in bringing back someone who doesn’t want it? And if suddenly Gabriel is gone, Emilie is back and also Monarch is gone and still Adrien doesn’t suspect anything then I don’t even know... Gabriel said he only wanted to change one thing with his wish. So it’s something simple, not complicated. And I understand that the writers want us to wonder but Thomas tweets really make me think of Amelie. And he also says that fans are over complicating things. So yeah, I think it’s Gabriel for Nathalie. Sorry for the long comment... :)
Agree! To me the show does lose a lot of meaning with the wish being made, regardless of what it was. You’re completely right, what’s the point of the story? Like seeing the wish was cool, but I feel like it loses meaning
@@hazeclarke Yes, this! For me the perfect ending would’ve been Gabriel letting go of Emilie and choosing Nathalie and Adrien. And never making the wish. Because we’ve been told for seasons that it shouldn’t happen. That’s why I don’t like season 5, the writers instead of making Gabriel more sensible made him completely crazy.
I have a question.. I think that lady isn't Amelie she's emelie because Natalie is looking at her with attractive eyes and happiness and I think that Natalie might recover by Nature soo yeaaa Gabriel is dead and Lila must be the next super villain.
One of the factors that convinces me that it's Emilie we're seeing and not Amilie is the way Nathalie is looking at her with so much affection in her eyes that I haven't seen her show when she looks at Amelie, especially since we know that Nathalie more or less has a thing for Emilie. So my guess is that this is definitely Emilie. As for the wish, I'd say the "conditions" around the wish are more cryptic than we thought and are mostly based on Gimmi's terms and not what we've believed are the terms, however the factor of *Equivalent Exchange* is some truth in the terms. If I had to guess, I'd say that Gabriel giving his life in the wish wasn't part of the payment but part of the request. Gabriel said *Read my heart* and *Read my soul* so the specifics of what he asked for and what he thought he paid with are cryptic. However, the main condition of the wish is that what is paid must be of equal measure to what is requested. Gabriel may have given his life but his soul was far too tainted by then to be the equivalent measure to Emilie unless you want to tell me that she is just as bad as Gabriel which she is not. So Gimmi most likely affected the life of the person who was connected to Gabriel in some way and bears equal value to Emilie and that person might be someone in Lila's life. Why do I think it's someone in Lila's life? Well the wish basically changes the script of how reality plays out and in the previous reality the butterfly miraculous was still believed to be in action for evil. So with the conflict of the villain not being fully resolved, it plays a part in the consequence of the wish meaning that a Hawkmoth will still have to exist and with the same motivation as the previous ones as it has now been passed on, or other forces will be needed to create the consequence in some way. So if there is someone that Lila actually cares about then they will be harmed by the wish and healing them will be Lila's motivation which will and more meaning to her hate for Ladybug because in a way Ladybug hadn't prevented it from happening thus making Lila want her gone even more. So Lila being the new Hawkmoth is basically her being part of the consequence of the wish and picking up a conflict factor concerning Hawkmoth that people thought was resolved but wasn't really resolved and won't be until Ladybug takes back the butterfly miraculous. So if I were to guess how the new reality works, I'd say that the memories were altered where in this one; *Everything in the Hawkmoth to Shadowmoth to Monarch arc still happened but Emilie never went missing which is why no one is shocked that she's here so to them she's been around the whole time but only a select few now the changes. So in this reality the ALLIANCE rings were merely a collaboration between Agreste and Tsurugi which was hijacked by Monarch and Gabriel sacrificed himself to help stop it.*
If Emelie never went missing and was always around then someone had to disappear for one year. It's one thing to wish for someone to be brought back to life and It's another to ask for a year of memories in addition.
Yeah, I agree, it makes sense But also if Lila's ONLY motivation in the future is just "Ladybug embarrassed me in front of my crush, even though I was the one lying to him" I'll be so mad
@@Ysae791 Yeah, but in my understanding the world got destroyed and rebuilt, a change so drastic would have to be catered to, so it makes sense that when the new world was created everyone's memories of the year that Emilie was gonna would be replaced
@@Ysae791 Technically, the wish rewrites the universe's script so the factor of Emilie disappearing is completely erased so no one disappears at all. The only factor the wish might focus on is that she fell into a coma, so the individual chosen by Gimmi to take up the weight of Emilie's illness may just suddenly collapse into a coma not long after the wish is made or may have suddenly been in a coma for that one year in the new reality.
It's an interesting, very theory. If someone and Lila's life died, that would give her more reason to become hawk moth. And give another reason to use the wish again. But does that mean that the wish made the whole thing? Just repeat with a different person meaning she'll get her wish at some point and then we'll get third hawk moth. Is Lila not the one Chris calls hawkmoth? Just would sound redundant like we've done this before.
I have a lot of questions for the final scene. So far, everything looks very strange. I'll explain now ✨Visual. In fact, for me the whole part with a wish looks very unrealistic. Another brighter lighting, as if someone had applied a filter - at first it seemed to me that it was someone's dream or imagination, but definitely not reality. Everything looks too perfect. Even the sun's glare falls beautifully on the camera. Also, for some reason, the monument to Gabi stands on the site of the monument to Lady Bug and Cat Noir, but these are rather nuances. ✨Characters. All the characters are just having fun frolicking in nature, watching Madame Bustier's too perfect presentation, reacting to it the same way - not as individuals with an individual character, but simply as a crowd. Only Marinette and Adrian, who are sitting in the garden, stand out from the whole crowd. If I remember correctly, this is where Gabriel and Emily used to sit. It turns out a very beautiful parallel. ✨And now let's move on to the questions: Why didn't Lady Bug tell the Cat about who the Monarch was? Let's say Adrian doesn't need to know this so as not to break his psyche, but wouldn't it be worth sharing this with Cat Noir, the partner with whom you fought for 5 seasons on the side of good? Apparently for the same reason Marinette didn't tell him that he was a sentimonster - so as not to injure him. But isn't it safer to know about it in order to save the ring? It could be worth Adrian's LIFE. I think, it is a bit strange that the fulfillment of Gabriel's wish is taught as Marinette's victory, because in any case, as Sass explained, the world was erased. So we are waiting for season 6 for the creators to explain everything to us
yes! agree about how perfect it all looks! i think it'll all come crashing down next season! same with the characters, they're all too happy rn which i think is kind of the point i do think ladybug will tell chat! and agree, he needs to know how important the rings are!
@@hazeclarke I completely agree!! By the way, a very interesting thought about the destruction of this beautiful illusion. Maybe we are waiting for something like a dystopia or something like that huh, but in any case there is still a special ahead, which, I think, will reveal a lot to us
Yeah the visuals was very strange. I really thought it was some strange dream. The endings leaves so many questionsss and builds a lot of hype for the next season
I actually like how unclear is this ending, because it gives us a lot of fun with speculating and theories. I still don't like that Gabriel become a hero at the end and that everybody are gaslighting Adrien now, but I don't mind this vague end with Wish outcome. At first I thought that this is Emilie, but now I'm more on Team Amelie 😂. Mostly because there was no interaction between her and Adrien.
everyones in so much peace and so much unanswered questions, im so exicted to see how it plays out. i feel like adriennette will be over or things will start crashing down like with the appearance of chat blanc again
Yes, please continue to ignore lila, she does not deserve attention. Also I find it kind of odd that the wiki has changed her name to cerise - we don't even have confirmation of either name being her real one, given we've seen how much she lies. Another thing, Marinette keeping Adrien in the dark is iffy, but what about plagg? I assume knows everything that happened basically (actually, do tikki and plagg know what gimmi does and vice versa?). I feel like it would even worse for him to withhold that information from adrien, because he always is with adrien. I would also like to see if felix was openly accepted into the superhero team. They know that the peacock was in the hands of hawkmoth, and suddenly the peacock reappears in someone else's hands. Hmmm. Surely some of them would be suspicious no? I suppose it's a kids show so that's unrealistic but it would be interesting to see. Initial exclusion, and eventual acceptance.
They just changed the name as she does not identify as Lila anymore and the ones who no her as cerise is the appearance we are being shown so ig they changed for that reason
I have 6 reasons for thinking that it makes more sense for it to be Amelie rather than Emilie. 1. As you said, you can't trade 2 lives for one. 2. When he makes the wish, it certainly looks like he was reunited with Emilie in death. 3. As you said, how would they explain where Emilie has been all this time? (And while Thomas Astruc said a funeral was held for her, in Queen Wasp Nadia said that Gabriel had made his first public appearance since his wife disappeared.) 4. If Emilie was alive, why would Ladybug have given the rings to Adrien? 5. Marinette told Gabriel that Adrien had come to terms with the loss of his mother and she showed him the video of Emilie saying that she didn't want him to bring her back because she didn't want someone else to pay for their mistake. 6. Gabriel wanted to be reunited with Emilie. Her being alive and him being dead wouldn't accomplish that. I will say though that the one thing that is making me have doubts is that the alcove where Adrien and Marinette are sitting is where the statue of Emilie was and I can't come up with a reason why it would be removed if she was still gone.
ah yeah the funeral was never talked about the show, everyone refers to her as missing. and unsure about the rings! but you're right about adrien comign to terms with it all. hoenstly im so confused
I think you're completely right. He exchanged his life for Nathalie's and he joined Emilie in death. This is the only way he could have redeemed himself too. For Adrien to still have a mother figure while still respecting his wife's wishes. Aw but the last paragraph, you're right...
Honestly, even if this is the “end of the Agreste arc”, or more that I don’t think we are completely done with Gabriel yet, or at least his consequences of the wish. We still have lots of built up questions about Gabriel’s past life as “Gabi Grasette” and backstory with Tsurugi. I think this is just one big misdirection, and the new season might just start or lead up to the world ending. This is mainly because of Ephemeral where we are told how the wish works, and also how we were constantly reminded in the finale that the wish will only cause disaster (Also I thought it was interesting that the wish summoned a Kwami to use their power, and when Kwamis use their power they cause disasters). Anyways, I can’t wait for season 6! Hopefully we get more answers soon.
I hope that in s6 we get more background information on Gabe (I only want that because i feel like we still need more information about the agrestes. Sorry for my bad spelling lol)
In the storyboard. Adrien and the woman next to Natalie smile at eachother. So it can be Emilie. Because I don't think Amalie and Adrien is close enough to smile at eachother. Unless it is her and he's leaving with his aunt, Felix, adoptive father gorilla, and adoptive mother Natalie. I kinda like the second option. Because that would be awesome and Gabriel letting go of Emilie and going with her to the afterlife is a good end of his arc.
My question is not what the wish did, but how does everyone remember things? One thing that stuck out to me was when Gabriel asked Marinette to "Let Adrien remember the times he tried to be a dad." Like first of all, Monarse, even if Marinette would honor that, I don't think she'll be able to think of a single one!! Second of all, why would he ask that if he wasn't sure the wish was going to alter his role as the villain? If his wish included taking away all that knew Monarch and Gabriel were the same person, then Marinette might think that too. Yeah I know, in the murder basement and all that, but the wish could've easily made her think that Monarch was holding Gabriel hostage, blackmail, or have a secret partnership that Gabriel wanted to break from, or some bs like that. And if this was true, then all the others; Felix, Lila, Nathalie, Tomoe, might have their memories altered as well. This also makes me lean more toward that being Amilie, and she and Felix live with Adrien and Nathalie in the mansion after he lost both his parents. And the one thing that could break the spell on Marinette was that message draft Ladybug never sent to Chat Noir. This is what I think could happen in Season 6. If there's a possibility for this, then I hope it will mean it includes Bunnix, because I would love to know what the wish does for the holder of the rabbit? I mean, did she know it would happen this way, or did the wish just rewrite everything for her too? I liked the finale, but there's so many open windows here. Like you said, hopefully things will be explained later on. One big thing I'm hoping for is that they'll make up Adrien's absence by showing his side of things during Perfect Alliance. Say maybe, Argos broke him and Kagami out, and that's why Felix was also missing during all that, and it's the whole Senti-gang making a break for it!! 😄 Anyway, Always a pleasure! 🥰 🐞💞🐈⬛
hmm in that case im not sure it alters his role as a villain, but i think he moreso wants mari to remind adrien of the little good he did, eg the scarf, letting him do certain things. but i am really hoping memories aren't altered to be honest! thank you bestie!
I think they should've ended by having Gabriel/Monarch genuinely realizing how much he's hurt everyone, especially his son, then give Ladybug the rope lucky charm that was used when he was cataclysmed and she reversed what happened to him instead of the disappointment of having the villain basically win and be honoured after 5 seasons of wickedness. Ladybug not telling Adrien the truth about his father was not the best idea to me, but then again, knowing the character of Adrien Agreste he would go into a deep depression once he realized that he was responsible for his father's death. He was distraught when it happened, and it was a villain, much less his own father. I'm very disappointed with the end of this arc.
I personally like the idea of Gabe winning, tho not so much him becoming a hero in everyone's eyes. But him actually getting both miraculouses and making a wish is simply something not many people would expect, i personally expected some long fight with the dumbest solution to defeat him (as that happened everytime Gabe was really close to winning and it's a kids show after all). So i was really surprised when he actually won because i didn't predict that.
7:32 In this scene of the video. You forgot to say that Alix while not shown yet... She does still know the identities of Ladybug and Cat Noir. And that Kagami probably knows that Gabriel Agreste was Monarch, because she did that play with Felix in Representation. And that Plagg knows that Gabriel Agreste was Monarch, since Marinette told him before transforming into Bug Noire. And Amelie knows that Gabriel is Monarch most likely because I'd imagine Felix wouldn't keep that a secret from her. And that Luka knows that Adrien is Cat Noir and Su Han knows Marinette is Ladybug and most likely Adrien's identity too. 7:48 I think I know exactly what video idea you are talking about here and I hope that's the case.
Story wise, it makes most sense for her to be Amalie. Gabriel and Natalie were both going to die thanks to Gabriel's relentless chase to bring his wife back, making it so that if he failed Adrien would be an orphan with not even Natalie to take care of him. After what Marinette says to him, showing Gabriel the error of his ways and he's the only one who hasn't accepted Emelie's death (this including Emelie herself), it would make most sense in guilt for everything he's done he would trade his life for Natalie's, someone who had truly cared for Adrien after Emelie's death and knew how to show it (unlike someone). It's also the simplest answer as to why Natalie is all better despite Gabriel stating he only had one wish, everyone remembers everything that happened the passed year, and there's nothing to indicate the past had been altered.
I think you're right in saying that Gabriel wished to trade his life for Natalie and the person and the end is Amilie. It would not make sense for the other theory to be true because they still seem to remember Hawkmoth, Shadowmoth, and Monarch and everything that has happened since. If he wished for Emilie to never be effected by the peacock miraculous and she was alive during the Gabriel arc, none of it would have happened because he has no reason to make a wish because Emilie is still alive and therefore Gabriel would not spiral into madness. I makes more sense that he would have wished to trade himself for Natalie because there was no way to heal himself, Natalie, and bring Emilie back without sacrificing others. And it seemed that Ladybug was able to make him come to his senses and realize how crappy of a father he is and how much Natalie cares for Adrien. The only way that the person at the end is Emille and not Amilie is if he wished to trade his life for hers and wish for Natalie to be healed and Emilie to wake up from her "coma". But this would alsomean that someone else had to take Natalie's sickness and with Gabriel's change of heart at the end, I don't think he would do that. He would want his son to know that he did everything right in the end and it would make no sense for him to still decide to give someone else a sickness. Plus, Gabriel and Natalie had a sickness inflicted on them by a miraculous, so it would be an even trade and no one had to pay the price by getting the sickness. I think the character is Amilie and Gabriel traded his life for Natalie so Adrien would still have a parental figure in his life.
ah yeah, i think it's as simple as Emilie returning from being missing. like you say, if she was here the whole time, gabriel would bever have done this
another thing i saw for how both Natalie and Emily could be back is Gabe wished to take natalie's disease, and emilie's death/coma onto himself. That's technically not trading one life for 2 people but I think that's a super convoluted way to make that happen. Im fine just assuming it's amilie because I really dont want them to hide his wish just so they can use information we dont know as a plot element.
Okay here is my theory: that is Amelie, here is why: So as we see when Gabriel reunited with Emilie they were both souls aka they were floating, so I think that Emilie is dead/ill/.. bc she reunited with gebriel and they both were TOGETHER when they floated and Gabriel is dead. I think they both went to heaven/hell/idk together. And here is what I think happened with Lila: so Gabriel has his own lounge/place where all the butterflies are and if you watched the movie you would see that that exactly happened with Gabriel, I think what happened with Lila is that her basement/.. turned into the place with the butterflies. I hope it makes sense what I just said, hope you get what I mean 😂❤
All of this is just to confuse us.Thomas is clearly playing with us so we can live in a huge suspense and wait eagerly for s6. Which was stupid and a smart move, of course, regarding what he's done to us this season. In tt he said only this: 'It's simple as that! No need to be confused/complicate things.' Then said that the colours on the swimming suit don't mean anything... Which, basically, I don't believe, since somehow they spoil the black 'n pink combination - Emilie's suite colours which leads me to one conclusion: that's 'simple as it is': It's Emilie. Also, there are some other theories I have - what if Gabriel fooled Gimmi and his real wish was to fix all his mistakes/the mistakes with the peacock miraculous? That way, yes, as you said, Colt will be also saved. We don't know about Kagami and we'll leave this for now. Since seasons 5,6,7 and 8 are confirmed to be 'darker' seasons, it's fully possible for us to experience more intense feelings and etc. As we have seen in the Movie by Jeremy Zag, oh my Gosh, everything is possible even in the show🤷🏼♀️
@@hazeclarkeColt may be interesting. It is implied that he started to abuse Felix because he connected his illness with Felix's existance. With repaired Peacock Miraculous he has no such reason to mistreat him like this. He may be totally different person.
I would also like to point out that in Ephemeral, Gabriel wished for the world to be rewritten to create a better world for his family to live in. As season 5 progresses, Gabe understands that he's gonna die whether or not he makes his wish and although he might still want to rewrite the world, his wish was focussed on reversing the damages of the peacock miraculous rather than creating an entirely different world
This was a very interesting video. However I'm gonna stick to my guts and say that this is Emilie. In the storyboard, there was one scene where they cut out Adrien looking dearily at Emilie as it zooms in on her face, and I think they cut that out, because they wanted us to have more questions, they didn't just want to give answers straight away, so they cut some things out so these plot points can lead on and connect with season 6. I also think Gabriel was switching places with Emilie as to me, that seemed like one last moment where Gabriel embraces Emilie in his arms before he goes and she stays kind of thing. I do feel like all of this will be explained in season 6, but as of right now, I am leading towards Gabriel sacrificing his heart and soul for Nathalie and Emilie, however it wouldn't work like that, since that wouldn't be balanced, so a consequence would have to be made. Therefore, I think Gabriel got trapped in the miraculous that was once his, the one he was so attached to and always used, the butterfly miraculous, I think he became a phantom that is trapped within the butterfly miraculous alongside Nooroo. I think that is what Lila was afraid of at the end, because she saw something she wasn't expecting and the light was blue and as we know, in cartoon, ghosts or phantoms, are represented with a light bluish tinge to them to suggest what they are. Also in the storyboard, at that very scene, we hear a male voice laughing that is very reminiscent of whenever Gabriel laughed, but that was cut out as well to leave us with more questions, but personally I think this is the more plausible explanation. As we know, this isn't the last we'll see of Gabriel as he is gonna somehow be in season 6, and if not in a flashback, I can definitely see this being a way in which he is included next season. Furthermore, Mei Shi, got trapped within the prodigious as a ghost guardian who protected the prodigious, but then after Fei defeated him, he was free from that role, yet he was still attached to her, to the prodigious, wasn't he? As we see him with all the Renlings in Re-creation. He's adapted a new form after his change of roles and he can't really grant any power as he isn't actually really a renling or a kwami, he just adapated to the form of one. He isn't part of the renling roster from the prodigious and he can't be a kwami either since, kwamis tend to have double letters in their names. So this is the only plausible explanation. Again, it's all left for question, but what Gimmi says, doesn't mean it can't neccesarilly happen. We don't even know as a matter of fact. And I think Gabriel can sacrifice himself, but as a consequence, Gimmi had to trap his soul back in the butterfly as a phantom to balance the universe, because they can't bring back two people, like you said, someone else would have to get sick and die. However, I think Gimmi allowed it so that Gabriel sacrificed his body and his spirit, so his body is gone now, and his spirit can't have a normal passing on, so it is trapped within the butterfly miraculous. What Gimmi said is pretty generic, at least to me. They weren't really specific about it, because ofc they want to leave it open ended, but that doesn't mean that Gabriel's sacrifice if his soul and body is impossible, we'll just have to wait and see until next season.
Or they could have cut it out because they changed their mind about it being Emilie? There could be loads of reasons why they did it. Interesting idea about Gabe! But im not sure it’s actually possible. Like I don’t think Gimmi would do that since it goes against the rules Mei-shi is part of the cave key, not the prodigious
@@hazeclarke oh yeah, but he's still a ghost attached to an item nonetheless, so it's not impossible for Gabriel to be a phantom like him. Like I said, I think the rules aren't really explained that well, they're too general and not specific at all, and I like I said there would still be a consequence, that if Gabriel being a phantom and not having a normal passing.
Tbh I feel like Amelie wouldn't get that excited to get a drink from the gorilla unless she was very close friends with him , so I think this is emelie
Yes but remember in representation we find out Gorilla was Colts bodyguard or something and in exchange for Felix to be born via the peacock miraculous, he was to grant gorilla as Adrien's bodyguard. So She could have been happy to see him again. I believe it could be Emilie also but maybe Amelie too. I am split on that
I think I have one theory, since Emily is not dead but is in a coma, when Gabriel make the wish he said read his mind which I think mean trading his consciousness so Emily could be back, and when he said read his soul mean he is giving his life to Natalie, so he sacrifice his consciousness for Emily and his body for Natalie.
I really think the wish was different or at least more complicated than it seems. I also think something went wrong...because there is no perfect wish. There is always a cost. Gabriel told Nathalie he wasn't planning to sacrifice humans. It's possible he was lying. I originally took this to mean he intended to use one or more of the senti-beings. But what he meant something else? Kwamis aren't human...and he treated them like beasts in cages and said as much too. I've been worried for Nooroo since that final scene in Re-creation...and even more now realizing this. It could go a few ways but the only kwami we don't see and kniw is okay...is Nooroo. So: 1. Maybe he wished Nathalie healthy and Emelie back too using his own life and Nooroo. Nooroo would be very sick and dying or dead then. 2. He wished the Butterfly damaged instead of the Peacock. No humans sacrificed. 3. Building on 2, maybe he included that Nooroo take the effects from the damage instead of himself. So either Nooroo is very sick...or died. In which case...who or what came out of the Butterfly when Lila put it on? It also doesn't make sense that Gabriel could just choose the result of his wish and Gimmi would go with exactly what he wanted. The wish was supposed to have a cost/price to pay. And as Marinette said "there is no perfect wish". I'm nearly certain was always meant to work more like how genies/djinn would grant a wish. I won't say outright, but I have a pretty good guess as to what happened with the wish and the Butterfly at the end. And if they do it right it will be way more interesting than Lila being Hawkmoth 2.0. Poetic even.
I'm sorry but this Theories doesn't make sense. A Kwami life isn't equal to a human life. If he woukd have wished for the peacock miraculous to never be broken there woukd never been a hawkmoth. But there was so thats not it either. And 3 also human life and/or sickness isn't equal to a kwami. Its Ameli thats the only possible way
@@JustTuppi Sometime aftervmy comment it was, in fact, confirmed that it was Amelie we saw with Nathalie by the pool. As far as the wish, we still don't know the details. My ideas are just ideas of course. However, it is a fictional fantasy series and the creators/writers can do what they like because it's their story and world. Nathalie seems to be fully recovered so something healed her. Since Gabriel was dying his remaining life wouldn't be equivalent to healing Nathalie, so someone else would be badly hurt instead. And that ending is a pretty big hint that something is up with Nooru. Maybe it's related to the cataclysm in Destruction, maybe to do with the wish, or maybe both.
@@hazeclarke I just realized I never replied. I don't think Gimmi would sacrifice a kwami willingly, but they might not have full control of the wish/power. I mean why would they even grant it if they had a choice? More likely the power is djinn/genie like so they are bound to complete the wish but have some control of how they get to the outcome. In which case...consequences.
Honestly bestie, this episode’s ending has still left me stumped. I could see either of your possibilities being plausible but I have no idea who this person truly is. Apart of me is leaning towards it being Emilie since there are still a few clues indicating that Emilie was brought back to life. I think the biggest clue is that the statue that used to be in the garden is now gone. On the little bench where Marinette and Adrien share their kiss, the statue of Emilie used to sit, but now it’s just an empty bench. If Emilie were still gone, why would her statue no longer be present? It’s definitely possible that the writer’s may have decided last minute that they wanted this to be Amelie instead, but they didn’t wanna change the scenery of Marinette and Adrien’s kiss since it’s such a beautiful set so they decided to keep it. However, in the scene where “Emilie” is served a drink, she’s framed in front and center, whereas Nathalie kinda falls more into the background. In my eyes, it feels like the intention of the scene was to draw emphasis on Emilie indicating to the audience that she’s back. If the writer’s had decided to make this Amelie at the last minute, I feel like they should’ve had the animator’s switch her place with Nathalie so that the emphasis would now be on Nathalie showing that the wish was used to only heal her. However, since they left the scene as is, it’s making me more inclined to believe that this is Emilie. Again, this could’ve just been remnants of the script where this was originally intended to be Emilie but there just wasn’t enough time to switch things around. Even though I still don’t really have a firm belief of who this could be, my gut is kinda leaning more towards it being Emilie, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it actually turns out to be Amelie instead. If this is really Emilie though, I honestly have no idea who would’ve been sacrificed in order to save Nathalie. Based on what we know right now, it doesn’t appear as if there are any other significant characters who could’ve been used in the switch. I doubt that they would just take some random insignificant person as a sacrifice either because that wouldn’t make for a very interesting story at all. It would have to be someone who’s just as significant to one of the character’s as Nathalie is to Adrien. Perhaps Master Fu maybe? Since they’ve already kinda written him out of the story, maybe they would somehow decide to make it a plot in season 6 where Marinette goes to visit Master Fu and finds out that he’s fallen gravely ill. That could potentially explain why nothing seems wrong at this point in time because Marinette probably hasn’t gone to see Master Fu in a little while. Then again, I doubt they would do something like this since that seems a little dark. Then again, this season has definitely tackled some dark topics so who knows. Lmao wait nah, what if Chloe was the sacrifice? I mean, we already know that Astruc thinks she’s just the most evil irredeemable person ever, and besides, they’ve already done everything they can to assassinate her character anyways. Just kidding, just kidding!! None of that is meant to be taken seriously at all. My apologies if that joke was a little too dark. At this point I’m just racking my brain from any ideas. Hopefully season 6 won’t just casually gloss over this idea if it turns out that both Emilie and Nathalie are now back and in healthy condition. I really hope that we get to potentially see some of the consequences of the wish and how this would all relate to Lila as the show’s new main villain!! Can’t wait to see your theory video about her! Until then, take care of yourself bestie!! ❤️
Rn im leaning towards Emilie but more so just because I want it to be her XD I still think it could be, but you’re right, the statue, the framing of her, it makes it out to be Emilie rather than Amelie Ah yes im sure Nathalie’s sacrifice is someone significant! I think whoever it is we’ll see next season! Master Fu is an interesting choice! But god I hope it’s not Chloe XD Thank you bestie!
One thing I want to know is when Gabriel made the wish to make himself as the hero helping Ladybug defeat Monarch did he sacrifice the person who is the Hawk Moth of the future was the villain the whole time or something similar to that. Because from what Marinette is saying she only references Monarch never Gabriel so could it be that the wish brainwashed or altered Marinette's memory when she was fighting Monarch and the truth about Gabe being Monarch???? Also, I can see both sides of the argument of whether the women we see is either Emilie or Amilie but I think its Amilie because knowing Gabriel and how obsessed he is with Emilie to the point he can't live without her, he rather be with her in the afterlife than actually being a father towards Adrien. Gabriel always referred Emilie as his wife whenever he talked to Adrien I don't remember a single time he ever referred to her as his mother, I could be wrong but thats what I noticed. Love your video and you did an amazing job explaining the wish. Looking forward to your next video on "Lila" because I personally have a lot to say too 😂😂.
Let’s get a voting system in place; I personally think it’s Amelie because it’s makes sense to the rules we are given about the wish. Agree or disagree. ❤Emile😊Amelie.
😊 it just makes sense if she was emilie wouldn’t make sense at all like how would she suddenly out of nowhere reappear w/o adrian knowing gabriel was hawkmoth/shdowmoth/monarch all along
if it is Emily, they say people in comas are able to hear things around them, what if Emily was able to hear Hawk/Scarlett/Shadow/Monarch daddy's rants about evil stuff and something happens with that? that would be cool.
Ok So Gabriel is definitely gone we can all agree becuase the finale after the battle they made a statue of Gabriel for “helping defeat monarch” everyone thinks he died by helping ladybug defeat him….Nathalie died when marinette/ladybug was in the room so he had to sacrifice 2 things because he brought back 2
I love your videos! I actually think you would do great analysing other shows in the meantime as we do wait for s6. Have you ever watched stuff like ASOUE, MLP:FIM, Sofia the first or Elena of Avalor? I'd personally love you to analyse them, but it's just a suggestion no pressure!
If I had to guess Mari still remembers because she was there when the wish was made and because that's what Gabriel wanted as well as for his son to have a happy life, his wish was not only to be with his wife but for Adrian to have a life he could be happy with. Gabriel wanted Adrian to be happy but he also wanted to be with his wife and so in his heart the two wishes were one and gammy read his heart to make them reality even if it meant Gabriel had to go away and be erased from this universe. He's still remembered as monarch but only Mari knew his identity and as the guardian I feel it makes sense for her to remember
Hey Haze. I might have a theory, well actually I read it off from another youtube comment and they said that it might be possible that Gabriel sacrificed his life to restore the broken Peacock Miraculous before Gabriel found it and before he gave it to Emilie and when I read that comment, I said it was an interesting theory and got my head thought spinning just thinking about it, but like you also said, it would have restored Colt Fathom.
@@hazeclarke Not exactly haze, it would be like when Gabriel almost gave the data drive to his past self that had the information that can repair the broken miraculous, change something in the past to change the future, the only difference is he used himself to make it happen, in which means that everyone that was effected by the broken Peacock Miraculous would be cured, including Colt, Natalie, and whoever created Kagami.
What I thought the wish was is the Peacock Miraculous never being broken but instead, it was the Butterfly Miraculous, an equal exchange. And since Gabriel was already dying due to the cataclysm at this point he didn't care how it would effect him so he used it as a loophole to bring back as many people as possible with only his life being given up.
That would not make sense because when the peacock miraculous would never be broken then they wound never have been a hawkmoth. Because he would not have a reason to hawkmoth. The only way ist that thats Amelie and not emily and he respected her wishes and joined her in death
I completely agree with your perception on this, my only point would be that should gabriel have wished to undo the affects of the damaged peacock miraculous, it would not required multiple sacrifices, but another miraculous to have caused damage, it is an odd way to look at it, but you wish for the peacock miraculous to have never been broken and another miraculous would have needed to be repaired in its place, the difference being that marinette or master fu would have known about how to fix the miraculous so no damage ultimately would have been caused, hope this helps understand what could have happened here
I really want to be Emile, but if not I would accept it. Though I think it would cool for Adrien's mom to be around, though this season I've thought of Nathalie as his mom. I also think Adrien/Cat will find out next season about his dad and that were the anti-Cat part comes in. Haze, whenever you said Monarch Daddy, may he rest in peace, I thought of the Princess Diaries.
😳 Amelie! It's GOT to be her! I think Gabriel sacrificed his life and his wife's for Natalie and someone else, since she was still alive, but in a coma, never to recover anyway.
I think what happened here is that after Gabriel and finally made his wish he wished to be with his wife in the afterlife and that's exactly what happened he sacrificed himself so he can be back with Emily not in the real world but in the afterlife and that means Natalie has to be the one to take care of Adrian now
Everything aside, the thing that disappointed me the most is all the work and everything happened in the presence of ladybug while chat noir had no role in this. Those two are the heros n the ending i.e defeating monarch should be both of their's doing and not just ladybug, which is so unfair. About the ending, I think Gab gave up on his life to be w/ Emilie in afterlife while in the scene might b felix's mother. Since they said Gab helped ladybug defeat "monarch"
I really don’t think it should be Emile, if so it wouldn’t make sense for Felix to have been there in Paris. I think Amelie would have taken responsibility of adrien and moved/ travelled to Paris with Felix and Nathalie becoming her assistant
If It is Emelie then Gabriel is an even more awful person because someone else has to die for Nathalie. I believe it is Amelie because I don't think we would see Marinette so "calm" with Gabe being seen as a hero in the end If she knew someone was ill/dead because of the wish.
I definitely think that was Amelie. I think that when Marinette was talking to Gabriel she did convince him a little bit, just to "tip over his heart and soul" but he didn't quite believe it. So when he told Gimmi to read his heart, he THOUGHT he was talking about Emilie but it was Nathalie, and when he told Gimmi to read his soul, he THOUGHT he was sacrificing someone else but he sacrificed himself (Since Nathalie's sickness would have transferred to him, I think he would have just died on the spot, he had it coming.) I think they put Amelie next to Nathalie just to mess with the audience, and to make us have all these crazy theories to discuss for the next year. That may just be me though, I'm off to watch more theoretical videos on the topic.
If he did wish to save the miraculous then in order to put the universe in balance another miraculous would have to be broken. This could've been the butterfly which is why gabriel dies in the finale because he was technically for the past year using this broken miraculous.
I think the wish was for everyone to get what they deserved or what they are destined for, like how Emilie and Nathalie are alive, Miss Bustier becomes mayor, Chloe and Audrey are in exile, Chloe's dad is a film director, Lila is in possession of the Butterfly Miraculous, Adrien becomes free, all the heroes now keep their miraculous permanently, Kwamis are free and Mr.Democles is a principal again.
It better be Emilie or I'm gonna throw hands. 😭😭 For Nathalie's illness there is a theory that 1 of lila's mom takes her place. But idk if that's true tho
I mean it’s interesting if lilas mum is but what was her motivation for getting the butterfly then? Because her mum would have only fallen ill after the wish
From Astruc’s comments on twitter I’m almost sure they changed the finale and it’s Amelie. Poor Gabe sacrificed himself for Nathalie. But I still cannot believe they killed him. They promised we’ll see Gabriel in the next seasons, right? If they meant his statue it’s cruel. Weird jokes as for writers of kids show.
Yeah well maybe as a flashback or we might learn about his past as in like he was called Gabi Grassete right so maybe that. He will for sure be mentioned
I wished that Gabriel would have come back in a way because... ok, part of me is glad that he won, but another part of me feels like that was too easy of an ending for him, so I would like it if he came back. But that is never going to happen. Also, I think that it would have been really cool if Gabriel lost everything and became this Lex Luthor type of villain in Miraculous where he is on some, "If I couldn't defeat Ladybug as Hawkmoth or Monarch, then I will defeat Ladybug as Gabriel Agrest!" Type of stuff. And Gabriel uses his wealth, connections, and influence to his advantage, like maybe he becomes mayor, or governor, or even president, and he wages a one-man-war against all of the miraculous holders in the world like he takes away funding and resources for businesses making the businesses suffer, and taking away their homes, and messing with the school system so the kids can't go to college and he just destroys their futures and livelihoods, like he buys over Marinette's parents' bakery, he kicks them out, and he sets it on fire to where Marinette's family loses everything and they never recover, and he just does more damage as Gabriel than he ever did as Hawkmoth or Monarch proving that without any miraculous Gabriel is still powerful in his own right. That is what I wish would happen, but that is never going to happen.
@hazeclarke Like, in that episode with the time traveling villain from the future who said that the future Hawkmoth was not Gabriel, like I would like it if it was "Lila" but at the same time Gabriel is there being a Lex Luthor type of figure in the background or on the side and they are both doing their own things, and Gabriel in the back of his head he is like, "I will be Hawkmoth again." And then it is like in the far future, "Lila" gets defeated, and then Gabriel gets the butterfly miraculous back. Things like that. I know that it is repetitive, but it seems juicy.
I'm almost certain the original plan was to fix the peacock before Emilie ever used it (re. the Shanghai special and "Evolution"), which would mean another miraculous broke instead. Which would probably be the butterfly, and since Gabriel by all accounts DID still become Hawk Moth even when Emilie was around and DID still die from it, it'd check out
I don't think that is Emilie. They are just trying to make us think it is. I think Gabriel sacrificed himself for Natalie. To me that is the only thing that explains him coming together with his wife and floating upwards. As if they had been reunited. Which was what he had wanted through the whole show.
He sacrificed himself which means he didn't wish for peacock miraculous to be fixed earlier on since he would need to sacrifice another thing such as some other miraculous to be damaged (since as you explain in video sacrifice needs to be equal to the wish if you ask for peas to be red strawberries will be green) i personally think Marinette showing video to gabriel made him change his mind and that moment when he is holding emelie feels like he accepted everything while giving nathalie a life also if emelie is alive how is nothing questioned? We know they know about monarch's existence (which also states peacock miraculous wasn't fixed since it would change events) and there is big chanse they changed the scripts last moment and i also feel like hair color is more of amilies hair color. But again they could be messing with us and it could be Emilie which is living so many potholes and questions but we will find out in season 6 ALSO A QUESTION what do you guys think who would he sacrifice if he managed to make the wish wayy back like in season 3
I don't if she said this or not cuz I am still watching but where Adrian and marinette were sitting is where the statue of adriens mother was. ( at least i think)
Amelie, most definitely. He said his wish was to free his heart (stop being the bad guy, which is only possible if he releases himself from his grief), in exchange of his life. He did not wish for her return. Therefore, she remains dead. I have a LONG rant...but I'm just gonna say the second one that stings me the most, because it encapsulates the problem's core. Boustier's regime. Everything was acceptable (I figured Tsurugi and Gabriel worked together to help her vision come true in this reality) UNTIL the school system. Does Astruc not understand that competition is exactly to bring out our full potential, and ensure an easier distribution of resources among people ? Of course the end of the world was presented as everything being fixed. He doesn't understand our world is NOT what he wants it to be. He's childish and that's it.
Im convinced it was Felix’s mother and not Adrien simply because the green of her eyes would’ve been bright enough with the shading. Rn I couldn’t exactly tell; wich leads me to think it couldn’t be Emily, because yknow her eyes are so green pale that I’m sure we wouldn’t even have hesitated
I think that Lila would have been sacrificed as in the end Lila saw something that we didn't and some bright electric light flashed and ended the scene with Lila
Re. the woman at the poolside being Amelie, and GabrielBabes trading his life for Girlypopalie, that's a bit of galaxy brain there, Haze! One could extend your point by asking the question: if Nathalie's health depended upon another becoming terminally ill, who would Gabriel have chosen that to be? Clearly, he had in his heart and soul the person that was to be the object of his wish and the person that was to pay the price, or be the price; the latter had to have been himself, given what happened, so the former must have been Nathalie if she was to be restored. Then again.... if Nathalie was dead (and she seemed decidedly not alive by the time of the final showdown in the Murder Basement) Gabriel offering his life for hers wouldn't have required anyone else to become ill, nor would it have meant him absorbing the illness as he was going to die anyway. There was an episode of "Star Trek" ("The Next Generation") in which a major twist occurred in the timeline - a character that had been killed off was brought back due to a time travel incident from past to future creating a parallel universe in which she had lived; during the course of the episode one of the time travellers was killed, and her place was taken by this alternate timeline character, going back to the past to restore the original timeline .... but at the end of the episode, everyone in the restored timeline still remembered her. That's very confusing, and it might help to watch the episode in question if you get chance - "Yesterday's Enterprise" is the title - but the point is that this instalment of Miraculous seemed to echo that plot device of altered timeline in which the characters nevertheless remember the old timeline. I suppose the writers aren't the type to let logic get in the way of a juicy story!
I think colt WILL be back and there will be a scene of Felix confronting him. Season 5 was shown to be dark so why should the next season all of a sudden be for kids again? Especially with how demented Lila is. This leads me to believe Gabriel wishes for the peacock damage to be reversed, resulting in the butterfly miraculous being damaged. Usually when people put a miraculous the kwamis pop out with their little light bubble… but for Lila that wasn’t the case
Considering how abusive & violent Colt was with his son, it will definitely be dark. There's obviously a reason as to why it looks like Felix is living with Adrien & Nathalie, because Colt could be back, & they're trying to escape his domestic abuse crimes.
@@amandamakin1542 now that Felix has the peacock he is in control of him self and his amok, so I can see Felix just straight up scolding him, colt possibly gets akumatized and Felix is the one fighting him. Those are just some theories, but why mention cost if he’s not gonna be here anyways? Season 6 will most likely be darker anyways with Lila wanting to make marinette miserable and alone and your reasoning gave even more evidence for me to believe that we will see him in season 6
I dont think hiding stuff from adrien is any better?! Hes gonna find out in the end anyways and hes gonna be mad,disappointed,betrayed who knows but he wont be happy for sure… And this erased memory thing is SO confusing 😭 If gabe wished for adrien to have like a perfect life,maybe forget that his father was bad,who knows then how could he erase (also) marinettes memory? Or everyones! Like he didnt erase the memories that ladybug and cat noir hold of each other,their fights etc. LIKE MONARQUES EXISTENCE WASNT WIPED OFF PARIS🧍♀️ heeelp🥹 Will this settle down in s6 ,, cause i need to know what he erased!!😂
Has anyone thought that maybe Gabriel wanted Adrien to be created by himself with the broken peacock miraculous and not Emilie? And maybe thanks to that Natalie and Emilie are alive?
As other people pointed out, If he had created Adrien then Emelie would have never died and he would have never become Hawkmoth and LB and CN wouldn't exist.
I’m willing to bet its Amelie! If that’s the case, I wonder if her and Felix will move in with Natalie and Adrien since Felix is a good guy now and can use his miraculous to help Ladybug or if they will still have their separate homes
I'm really freaking confused about everything that happened starting from when Gabriel was making the wish. - How did Adrien get back from London to his house? - How did there become so many vines, flowers, and a whole pool at the Agreste mansion? - If it was Emilie who was shown in the scene with Nathalie, why wasn't Emilie confused or angry about how she's alive again? - What happened with the rings? Like what about them? - Why is everyone so happy? Do they know the world has been recreated? - What's all the talk about how Kagami was created? - Why is Adrien happy, even when he knows his father died? - Are Adrien and Marinette ever gonna be Ladybug and Cat Noir again? I probably have many more questions lol.
honestly it's hard to say! like i say in the video, the finale begins, it's the first day of summer break, and after the wish, it's the end of break, which is two months later, so with such a huge time skip, it's hard to say how Adrien got back or other questions like that. and again, due to the time skip, it's possible emilie is or was angry and we just haven't seen her reaction yet. she hasn't said anything yet. but i do think only mari, alya, suhan, emilie and nathalie (and maybe a few others) and aware of the re-creation and kagami is also senti!
Here's my thing. The only piece of "evidence" that it's Emilie is the fact that leaks say it's Emilie. But that's not real evidence, because we were never supposed to see the leaks. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if it wasn't for the leaks. I heard people saying that Astruc was saying it was Emilie, but I've seen the tweets people are refering to, and all he said was "the answer is in the episode". The episode makes no reference at all to it being Emilie. If Emilie was back, there would be at least some confirmation in the episode. Nadjia would have mentioned something in her report on Gabriel about his wife being found, and Adrien would mention that he has his mother back.
I get what you mean! We were never supposed to see it so the mystery is still there and even though we do have the script, I still think it could be Amelie
It’s Emily because in the leak they were designing her swimsuit and what she would look like and their was a scene that did go into the finally where Adrien and Emily were looking at each other and being happy.
I wonder...will Lila/Cerise/Stacey akumatize herself into Volpina & fight Rena Rouge? After all, they apparently did say they would do a Rena Rouge vs Volpina episode once...
Given the Animation with Gabriel and Emily embracing ,Both of them Have to Be dead. He would wish to join her, not force her to live without him like he had to live without her. So the person we're seeing here has to be Felix's mom. It would make little sense for them to use an embracing animation if Emilie was replacing Him.
What is confusing though is the episode after, episode 27. It goes back to monarch/Gabriel being alive and akumatizing another person which makes no sense because it was assumed he was dead and that marinette had all of the miraculous back but it shows that monarch still has them all? I’m very confused about that. Not to mention that emilie, amelie or felix were in the episode at all. It makes no sense because it showed that all of the kwamis reunited with their holders. But monarch had them all again? Why?
There is 2 options: it can be emilie and it can be amilie first emilie can be beacuse gabriel wish that nathali and emilie be healed you can see that nathalie is alive. Second option is that gabriel sacrifised himself for him and emilie to be together that is why picture is replesemning emilie or amelie
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I wonder if with gimmi if you can choose to sacrifice yourself and if you want more people to come to life then it just sacrifices for random people. Like it. Just rolls a dice and sadly three other people are just dead!
Found a fanfic called "Queen Redux" (yes, the title is what it implies). However, here's what makes it good. While the first two chapters make clear the redemption premise was the initial main cause, onwards, the author makes an effort to balance Astruc's vision with what he lacked in the first place from season 2 forward. Good writing. Basically, the fanfic is somewhat the show's retell/slight retell from "Style Queen" forward, if it had good writing and Chloé (and the rest of the Bourgeouis) didn't suffer character assassination. Others exist, but fot the moment, this is the one I'm gonna focus on reading for the foreseeable future. I truly recommend it because, among other things such as less childish writing, Ladybug and Chat Noir, after "Anansi", start getting more balanced in power. Read it when you have the chance.
Here's what I think happened: First, Gabriel's wish: I think his wish was for Adrien to live a happy life, as in live with Emily and Nathalie, that way it would still count as wanting "one thing" as he says. As for the specifics, I think he exchanged his life for Emilie's. That way, it would be an equal exchange. As for Nathalie, I could see it being one of two ways: 1- He wished that he fixed the peacock miraculous earlier, as in the events of the season three finale happen earlier, and Nathalie doesn't get too sick. Or 2- he wished that Nathalie never became Mayura in the first place. Yes, that would change a lot of the events, but in the finale, they never mentioned anything about senti monsters created by Mayura specifically. As for the equal exchange, for '1' the consequence can be the butterfly miraculous getting damaged when ladybug hit it in the finale, or that Gaberiel got sick instead for whatever reason. As others have said, Gimmi doesn't really care much as long as it's an 'equal' exhange. Second: As for Emily coming back, I feel like a good narrative would be that she was kidnapped by Hawk Moth. That way they can say that Gaberiel was blackmailed into letting Monarch high jack the alliance rings, and that he ended up telling Ladybug who Monarch was and helping her get to his lair, but getting killed in the process. That way the public would have a reason to regard him as a hero. It would also explain why Emily came back the moment Monarch was defeated. Finally: I think the butterfly miraculous being broken would make sense considering what happened to Lila at the end. Afterall, the show never told us that every miraculous's consequences are the same when they are used while damaged. Maybe when they're damaged they operate similar to the equal exchange with Gimmi. As in the peacock miraculous is used to create life, so it takes the holder's life when broken. Under that analogy, the butterfly miraculous transmits something horrible when it is damaged, possibly from another reality altogether. I feel that if the butterfly miraculous was damaged and operated that way, then maybe a ghost was transmitted to Lila that will haunt her forever or something like that. That would give Lila the motivation to hunt Ladybug and Cat Noir, as she wants to use the wish to remove the curse of the butterfly miraculous. As for the memories thing. I think the wish altered them slightly, but for the most part, they remained the same. I know some of these are far-fetched, but it is fun to speculate 😅. I think they're fun concepts, and I will probably write a fanfic about it while waiting for season 6 xd. Edit: grammar and added the memories part.
I’m not sure just wanting one thing means he only has to sacrifice himself. I think more has to be done. But yes, you’re right! No sentimosnters are mentioned after the wish Oooo love that idea if Emilie being kidnapped! As for the butterfly being broken, it would be immediately broken upon the wish. It wouldn’t wait two months to happen
When he wished Emily back AND that Nathalie would never became Mayura or that she never would have become sick that would be two wished AND there needs to be an equal. When he wished that Nathalie would have never been sick someone else would have been. Or if she never used the peacock miraculous that someone else would have and would have been sick. The only logical outcome is that thats Amelie and not emily
Emilie’s spirit literally floated up with Gabriel’s… for that alone, I think it has to be Amelie. It’s an eye for an eye, not two eyes for an eye. I’m pretty sure the wish and the price have to be equal, so him just wishing Nathalie to come back to health so Adrien wouldn’t be alone just makes sense Also, to those saying that the wish recreates the world, I feel like that’s yet another inconsistency, because if that was true, than none of the entire show would have even happened
Or… Emilie was in a coma/life support or whatever and woke up from her slumber to join the party and Gabriel’s wish was to heal nathalies wounds. This is my theory that Emilie was never dead just in a coma in the first place or like you have said she is on life support
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If Gabriel asked Marinete to not to tell the truth that means that the past memories are still there, otherwise she wouldn't have to lie because no one would remember.
🤔 hmmm
Seriously guys!😂on the news in the show they were talking about monarch and ladybug and cat noir and how ladybug “defeated” monarch, or at least they thought she defeated him 😮😅
But even tho can anyone say marinette knows adrien is cat noir Or not?
@@Cyno123 I don't think she knows, and even if she did they would make her forget like they did when she found out about Gabriel having the miraculous.
@@cacaumassipanoficial6203so gabriel erased only the memory that he was monarque? Or the wish/him being a bad father…
the finale was just so chaotic, everything happened in a flash, everything just happened soooo suddenly like ladybug found out gabriel was monarch just like that, monarch found out marinette is ladybug/ladynoire/bugnoir and it was just pure chaos and confusing
Ah yeha I can understand them wanting to keep us in the dark a little, some suspense, but there are so many people confused
Explain the one scene of the pink sparkly haze. I believe right before the world was remade Marinette saw an ready akuma and took it herself and activated the pig miraculous ring and use GIFT! On the entire world.
@@hazeclarke yep exactly 🥲
season 4 finale was def the best and season 5 not so much but it def got a lot of discussion going
True I just watched it now and it was just harzadous
I just realized Gabriel told Marinette not to tell Adrian that he was Monarch but if Ladybug chooses to tell Chat Noir she will technically be telling Adrian
That’s probably how Adrien will find out
Imagine Astruc made Gabriel give Natalie’s illness to Chloe just to spite her even more 💀💀
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That my friend is plausible. Though i hope to goodness it doesn't happen. 😊
Imagine if she got sacrificed altogether 💀💀
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@@misshollis7547 Gabe just sacrificed her life to save his wife and he’s inside trying to make good pancakes at the end 😂
I personally would like to not be Emilie because she herself accepted her death and didn't want to go back, also the other characters that always wanted Gabriel to move on and take care of his son who was still there instead of being stuck in the past.
In particular, she said in the video that she didn't want him to bring her back because she didn't want someone else to have to pay for their mistake. That does seem to suggest that she would've been OK with him bringing her back if it didn't mean that someone else had to die, but since that doesn't appear to be possible, I think it's a moot point.
@@karensteimle1977 she might not remember, but if she does then it would be difficult for her, anything bad would make her worried thinking it could be a consequence of the wish.
Can you explain Emilie’s missing statue then? Why do we see Adrien and Marinette sitting on the same spot Emilie’s statue used to sit on?
@@belynda1224 I said I would like not to be, not that it really isn't her
@@belynda1224 This statue may also have other symbolism, everyone thought that Emilie had died but her body was hidden the whole time, so what if the statue of Gabriel replacing Emilie's represents that he is also still there while everyone thinks he is gone? The fact that we don't know what he wanted and that strange light that scares Lila are very suspicious, and in the original storybord it was supposed to have an evil man laugh, and Gabriel started laughing like that.
As Sass explains it in "Ephemeral", the universe is literally erased from the point where something had to change for the Wish to be fulfilled, and then re-written. For Nathalie and/or Emilie to be unharmed by the peacock miraculous, Gabriel's wish must have been for the peacock miraculous to not be broken when they used it. As such, the universe was un-done and re-made from either the S2 finale, or from the flashback in "Evolution". (which also establishes that "fixing the peacock miraculous before Emilie used it" was the plan all along) The one thing that changed might've been that the butterfly miraculous broke instead, so HE would still be doomed the moment he started using it.
If Emilie is alive, this means that neither she nor Nathalie grew ill and died because of the peacock miraculous. (and neither did Colt or whoever made Kagami, though this of course doesn't mean the new universe had them die in a different way) If Emilie never died then Gabriel's abuse of Adrien is unlikely to have happened (at least not to the extent it does in the old universe) and Adrien in fact lived a happy life with a father he had every reason to remember fondly. It leaves open the question of why Gabriel became Hawk Moth when the wife was still around, but this was by all accounts compeltely fine with the writers at a fairly late point in production ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
hmmm that is very itneresting. the scientist makes it clear the akumas all happened so it's odd he was still Hawk Moth
I completely agree with you!
The only thing I can think of, is that he became Hawkmoth to try & get the wish to turn Adrien from a human-like Sentibeing into a different living being like the other human characters.
But it begs the question, was Emilie involved in this new universe?
I agree with your concept
I agree that he could have wished that the Butterfly was damaged instead, that makes perfect sense and could fit with the ending when Lila puts it on and something terrifying seems to appear in electricity.
But with how the wish works, it doesn't affect the past in the way we're used to seeing when stories get into time travel. We don't need to worry about paradoxes because Gimmi isn't restricted by things having to make perfect sense.
So the past is what it was until the wish happened then the newly created reality reflects the wish from the the moment of the wish on...even if it doesn't make sense as a whole.
The final scenes of Re-creation show us that both general events in Paris and events specific to the Miraculous and the final fight happened as we saw them throughout the show.
After the wish the new reality starts and from then on exists as if whatever Gabriel wished happened...but only since the time of the wish. So if he wished that the Butterfly was broken instead of the Peacock, then the effects for him, Nathalie, Emelie, etc take place after he makes the wish. Those affected by the broken Peacock are brought back/healed and Gabriel dies. Right?
Well there's a little problem with that...
The Butterfly might have already been broken. Cat Noir's cataclysm was to Monarch's arm but what if that affected the Butterfly? It might have directly or though Gabriel using the Butterfly while his body was slowly succumbing to cataclysm. We saw the crackling electricity every time Hawkmoth made an akuma...but was that just coming from Gabriel or the Miraculous and/or Nooroo as well?
When Lila put the Butterfly on sonething affected gravity, created bright light and electricity and terrified her...what happened to Nooroo? Was this the effect of the cataclysm on butterfly Miraculous or the wish...or both? Maybe Gabriel's wish had unintended side effects, maybe his wish was different and more sinister than it seemed, or maybe it backfired on him.
Either Emilie reappeared at the time of the wish and everyone is oblivious, or the wish rewrote the universe in a way that Emilie was never hurt by the peacock miraculous, but in that case it’s not possible monarch existed as his motivation wouldn’t be there. All in all I just hope they give this a GOOD explanation and don’t gloss it over or leave us guessing forever.
god they better explain this extremely well next season!
A lot of people are talking about how there would be no motivation. Clearly they had some motivation at first or something like that because Gabriel and Emilie were suing the peacock and the butterfly miraculous before she got injured from it. I’m not sure if maybe they were using it for good, or even what they were using it for but that does leave some explanation
That is Amelie. Here's why:
Gabriel before making the wish said that he only wanted to change ONE thing and that he'd sacrafise himself for someone else. That couldn't have been Emilie, because than Nathalie would still be dead, but she's just fine as we see at the pool party. It makes sense that Gabriel brought back Nathalie, because Emilie herself said that she didn't wanted to be brought back and it's easier to believe that Nathalie made a "natural recovery".
The theory where Gabriel wished for the peacock miraculous to never be broken is just wrong. That wish would've completely rewrite history. Gabriel never would've became Hawkmoth and the present would be very different, but obviously everyone remembers what Monarch/ShadowMoth/Hawkmoth had done. Not to mention that an another miraculous had to be broken.
good points!
So thus,we can expect that the Butterfly miraculous was broken in the hands of Cerise,that's why we saw something happening to her in the end of Re-creation(The Last Day - Part 2).
@@virenderkaur9038 if the peacock miraculous hadn't been broken, gabriel would have never had a reason to use the butterfly miraculous, hence monarch doesn't exist. There is no way gabriel's wish is reversing the peacock miraculous damage
@_bug_noire_19 yep.
I think your theory makes the most sense and is perfectly reasonable, as the past can remain the same, and only the present would change to heal Natalie. It would also mean that only ONE thing changed, as Gabriel said.
From what I recall from the leaks I read in the past Gabriels wish was for a world that would make Adrien Happy, that explains why Pairs is so different, the Mansion has changed, and everyone except M has forgotten how awful Gab was in exchange for his life. As for the balance part, I believe that has to do with the mysterious entity that made Lila scream at the end and how I believe the next arc will go down.
Gabriel wished for Adriens perfect world, however to balance this out a new evil has to enter the world and depending on how much Gabs wished changed things the next arc may become a horror show, in Lila’s lair there is a map of Paris and behind it is a painting of a tsunami symbolizing a wave of destruction is going to swallow the city thanks to Lila. I really feel that the next arc will slowly tear everything M slowly built up over the first arc because Paris is basically the exact opposite of what it was at the beginning of S1, M as all the hero’s including Felix on her side, Chloe is gone, and she and Adrien are finally together, I really can see her finally reaching the end of her Luck and taking some major loses.
I would love to hear what you think about my theory.
im unsure if everyone has forgotten though, but it's also been 2 months! it's been quite a while
completely agree with the balance! the world is far too perfect, so soemthing horrible has to happen. but i'm not sure the wall painting of the tsunami means that. firstly, paris isn't near the ocean so wouldn't be able to be consumed by a tsunami, secondly they are caused by underwater earthquakes of which a tetonic plate boundary is needed and i think the nearest one in France is by the Alps which isn't the right kind of boudnary for an earthquake, and thirdly, the place where Lila is based on an actual room in the catacombs called 'La mer'. but i do agree things will end badly!
@@hazeclarke The Tsunami is a Metaphor, like the calm before the storm saying when its quiet and calm before the guns start blazing sort of thing. What I meant is that Lila is going to bring a wave of horror and destruction that the heros have never seen before and Paris will be helpless against it. This will be due to the balance of the universe fixing itself.
The thing is that the changes of Paris had nothing to do with the wish, its supposed to be the morale of the story : we can change the world withouth the miraculous and withouth sacrificing too much
I want it to be Amelie because it changes the entire message of the show and the finale. If it’s Amelie, then the idea here is to let go. Marinette says that Adrien learned to live on. Emilie didn’t want to be back, she wanted Gabriel and Adrien to live without her too. It’s the right choice. Gabriel was the only one who couldn’t let go and therefore for 5 seasons tried to bring back Emilie. The way I see it, Marinette convinced him finally and he makes the right choice in the end, letting go of Emilie and saving Nathalie.
It’s very logical to me too.
And if it’s Emilie, then Gabriel brings back someone who didn’t want to be back. He also sacrifices some lives which is something Emilie didn’t want. Adrien moved on yet he brings him Emilie back. And the only one who wanted her back was he himself, but Gabriel now can’t be with her cause he’s gone so what’s the point?
So, if it’s Amelie, the writers are saying to us it’s ok to let go, sometimes you need to.
And if it’s Emilie, then what is this story about? If you’re evil enough, you can succeed in bringing back someone who doesn’t want it?
And if suddenly Gabriel is gone, Emilie is back and also Monarch is gone and still Adrien doesn’t suspect anything then I don’t even know...
Gabriel said he only wanted to change one thing with his wish. So it’s something simple, not complicated.
And I understand that the writers want us to wonder but Thomas tweets really make me think of Amelie. And he also says that fans are over complicating things. So yeah, I think it’s Gabriel for Nathalie.
Sorry for the long comment... :)
Agree! To me the show does lose a lot of meaning with the wish being made, regardless of what it was. You’re completely right, what’s the point of the story? Like seeing the wish was cool, but I feel like it loses meaning
@@hazeclarke Yes, this! For me the perfect ending would’ve been Gabriel letting go of Emilie and choosing Nathalie and Adrien. And never making the wish. Because we’ve been told for seasons that it shouldn’t happen. That’s why I don’t like season 5, the writers instead of making Gabriel more sensible made him completely crazy.
wait who is amelie is it Emilie sister?
I have a question.. I think that lady isn't Amelie she's emelie because Natalie is looking at her with attractive eyes and happiness and I think that Natalie might recover by Nature soo yeaaa Gabriel is dead and Lila must be the next super villain.
@@shiluaggarwal3299 its Amelie not emily
One of the factors that convinces me that it's Emilie we're seeing and not Amilie is the way Nathalie is looking at her with so much affection in her eyes that I haven't seen her show when she looks at Amelie, especially since we know that Nathalie more or less has a thing for Emilie.
So my guess is that this is definitely Emilie.
As for the wish, I'd say the "conditions" around the wish are more cryptic than we thought and are mostly based on Gimmi's terms and not what we've believed are the terms, however the factor of *Equivalent Exchange* is some truth in the terms.
If I had to guess, I'd say that Gabriel giving his life in the wish wasn't part of the payment but part of the request.
Gabriel said *Read my heart* and *Read my soul* so the specifics of what he asked for and what he thought he paid with are cryptic.
However, the main condition of the wish is that what is paid must be of equal measure to what is requested.
Gabriel may have given his life but his soul was far too tainted by then to be the equivalent measure to Emilie unless you want to tell me that she is just as bad as Gabriel which she is not.
So Gimmi most likely affected the life of the person who was connected to Gabriel in some way and bears equal value to Emilie and that person might be someone in Lila's life.
Why do I think it's someone in Lila's life?
Well the wish basically changes the script of how reality plays out and in the previous reality the butterfly miraculous was still believed to be in action for evil.
So with the conflict of the villain not being fully resolved, it plays a part in the consequence of the wish meaning that a Hawkmoth will still have to exist and with the same motivation as the previous ones as it has now been passed on, or other forces will be needed to create the consequence in some way.
So if there is someone that Lila actually cares about then they will be harmed by the wish and healing them will be Lila's motivation which will and more meaning to her hate for Ladybug because in a way Ladybug hadn't prevented it from happening thus making Lila want her gone even more.
So Lila being the new Hawkmoth is basically her being part of the consequence of the wish and picking up a conflict factor concerning Hawkmoth that people thought was resolved but wasn't really resolved and won't be until Ladybug takes back the butterfly miraculous.
So if I were to guess how the new reality works, I'd say that the memories were altered where in this one;
*Everything in the Hawkmoth to Shadowmoth to Monarch arc still happened but Emilie never went missing which is why no one is shocked that she's here so to them she's been around the whole time but only a select few now the changes. So in this reality the ALLIANCE rings were merely a collaboration between Agreste and Tsurugi which was hijacked by Monarch and Gabriel sacrificed himself to help stop it.*
If Emelie never went missing and was always around then someone had to disappear for one year. It's one thing to wish for someone to be brought back to life and It's another to ask for a year of memories in addition.
Yeah, I agree, it makes sense
But also if Lila's ONLY motivation in the future is just "Ladybug embarrassed me in front of my crush, even though I was the one lying to him" I'll be so mad
@@Ysae791 Yeah, but in my understanding the world got destroyed and rebuilt, a change so drastic would have to be catered to, so it makes sense that when the new world was created everyone's memories of the year that Emilie was gonna would be replaced
@@Ysae791 Technically, the wish rewrites the universe's script so the factor of Emilie disappearing is completely erased so no one disappears at all. The only factor the wish might focus on is that she fell into a coma, so the individual chosen by Gimmi to take up the weight of Emilie's illness may just suddenly collapse into a coma not long after the wish is made or may have suddenly been in a coma for that one year in the new reality.
It's an interesting, very theory. If someone and Lila's life died, that would give her more reason to become hawk moth. And give another reason to use the wish again. But does that mean that the wish made the whole thing? Just repeat with a different person meaning she'll get her wish at some point and then we'll get third hawk moth. Is Lila not the one Chris calls hawkmoth? Just would sound redundant like we've done this before.
I have a lot of questions for the final scene. So far, everything looks very strange. I'll explain now
✨Visual. In fact, for me the whole part with a wish looks very unrealistic. Another brighter lighting, as if someone had applied a filter - at first it seemed to me that it was someone's dream or imagination, but definitely not reality. Everything looks too perfect. Even the sun's glare falls beautifully on the camera. Also, for some reason, the monument to Gabi stands on the site of the monument to Lady Bug and Cat Noir, but these are rather nuances.
✨Characters. All the characters are just having fun frolicking in nature, watching Madame Bustier's too perfect presentation, reacting to it the same way - not as individuals with an individual character, but simply as a crowd. Only Marinette and Adrian, who are sitting in the garden, stand out from the whole crowd. If I remember correctly, this is where Gabriel and Emily used to sit. It turns out a very beautiful parallel.
✨And now let's move on to the questions: Why didn't Lady Bug tell the Cat about who the Monarch was? Let's say Adrian doesn't need to know this so as not to break his psyche, but wouldn't it be worth sharing this with Cat Noir, the partner with whom you fought for 5 seasons on the side of good? Apparently for the same reason Marinette didn't tell him that he was a sentimonster - so as not to injure him. But isn't it safer to know about it in order to save the ring? It could be worth Adrian's LIFE.
I think, it is a bit strange that the fulfillment of Gabriel's wish is taught as Marinette's victory, because in any case, as Sass explained, the world was erased. So we are waiting for season 6 for the creators to explain everything to us
yes! agree about how perfect it all looks! i think it'll all come crashing down next season! same with the characters, they're all too happy rn which i think is kind of the point
i do think ladybug will tell chat! and agree, he needs to know how important the rings are!
@@hazeclarke I completely agree!! By the way, a very interesting thought about the destruction of this beautiful illusion. Maybe we are waiting for something like a dystopia or something like that huh, but in any case there is still a special ahead, which, I think, will reveal a lot to us
Yeah the visuals was very strange. I really thought it was some strange dream. The endings leaves so many questionsss and builds a lot of hype for the next season
I actually like how unclear is this ending, because it gives us a lot of fun with speculating and theories. I still don't like that Gabriel become a hero at the end and that everybody are gaslighting Adrien now, but I don't mind this vague end with Wish outcome.
At first I thought that this is Emilie, but now I'm more on Team Amelie 😂. Mostly because there was no interaction between her and Adrien.
What about her missing statue? If she’s still dead, the statue should be there.
everyones in so much peace and so much unanswered questions, im so exicted to see how it plays out. i feel like adriennette will be over or things will start crashing down like with the appearance of chat blanc again
Yes, please continue to ignore lila, she does not deserve attention.
Also I find it kind of odd that the wiki has changed her name to cerise - we don't even have confirmation of either name being her real one, given we've seen how much she lies.
Another thing, Marinette keeping Adrien in the dark is iffy, but what about plagg? I assume knows everything that happened basically (actually, do tikki and plagg know what gimmi does and vice versa?). I feel like it would even worse for him to withhold that information from adrien, because he always is with adrien.
I would also like to see if felix was openly accepted into the superhero team. They know that the peacock was in the hands of hawkmoth, and suddenly the peacock reappears in someone else's hands. Hmmm. Surely some of them would be suspicious no? I suppose it's a kids show so that's unrealistic but it would be interesting to see. Initial exclusion, and eventual acceptance.
They just changed the name as she does not identify as Lila anymore and the ones who no her as cerise is the appearance we are being shown so ig they changed for that reason
ah yeah plagg is the only one who knows everything about adrien. he'll be so hurt when he finds out plagg knows too
Adrien should know that his dad was hawkmoth because of the voicemail Ladybug left for Cat Noir in the season 6 finale!
She didn’t send it!
I have 6 reasons for thinking that it makes more sense for it to be Amelie rather than Emilie.
1. As you said, you can't trade 2 lives for one.
2. When he makes the wish, it certainly looks like he was reunited with Emilie in death.
3. As you said, how would they explain where Emilie has been all this time? (And while Thomas Astruc said a funeral was held for her, in Queen Wasp Nadia said that Gabriel had made his first public appearance since his wife disappeared.)
4. If Emilie was alive, why would Ladybug have given the rings to Adrien?
5. Marinette told Gabriel that Adrien had come to terms with the loss of his mother and she showed him the video of Emilie saying that she didn't want him to bring her back because she didn't want someone else to pay for their mistake.
6. Gabriel wanted to be reunited with Emilie. Her being alive and him being dead wouldn't accomplish that.
I will say though that the one thing that is making me have doubts is that the alcove where Adrien and Marinette are sitting is where the statue of Emilie was and I can't come up with a reason why it would be removed if she was still gone.
ah yeah the funeral was never talked about the show, everyone refers to her as missing. and unsure about the rings! but you're right about adrien comign to terms with it all. hoenstly im so confused
I think you're completely right. He exchanged his life for Nathalie's and he joined Emilie in death. This is the only way he could have redeemed himself too. For Adrien to still have a mother figure while still respecting his wife's wishes. Aw but the last paragraph, you're right...
Honestly, even if this is the “end of the Agreste arc”, or more that I don’t think we are completely done with Gabriel yet, or at least his consequences of the wish. We still have lots of built up questions about Gabriel’s past life as “Gabi Grasette” and backstory with Tsurugi. I think this is just one big misdirection, and the new season might just start or lead up to the world ending. This is mainly because of Ephemeral where we are told how the wish works, and also how we were constantly reminded in the finale that the wish will only cause disaster (Also I thought it was interesting that the wish summoned a Kwami to use their power, and when Kwamis use their power they cause disasters).
Anyways, I can’t wait for season 6! Hopefully we get more answers soon.
yeah i agree. like rn to me, the ending was less happy and more perfect, and i have a bad feeling about it!
I hope that in s6 we get more background information on Gabe (I only want that because i feel like we still need more information about the agrestes. Sorry for my bad spelling lol)
The amount of problems this finale created dear lord
In the storyboard. Adrien and the woman next to Natalie smile at eachother. So it can be Emilie. Because I don't think Amalie and Adrien is close enough to smile at eachother.
Unless it is her and he's leaving with his aunt, Felix, adoptive father gorilla, and adoptive mother Natalie.
I kinda like the second option. Because that would be awesome and Gabriel letting go of Emilie and going with her to the afterlife is a good end of his arc.
😂😂😂😂😂 she’s his auntie. It’s a smile 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 who’s aunty doesn’t smile at their nephew 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@hazeclarkegood point. Just thought the storyboard smile was the kind of smile between a mother and son. But they cut it out.
@@joeljohansson3615in the storyboard Adrian called her mom but that was changed
@@hazeclarke no, it wasn't just a simple smile. It was tender, through their eyes, like a son with his mom.
My question is not what the wish did, but how does everyone remember things?
One thing that stuck out to me was when Gabriel asked Marinette to "Let Adrien remember the times he tried to be a dad." Like first of all, Monarse, even if Marinette would honor that, I don't think she'll be able to think of a single one!! Second of all, why would he ask that if he wasn't sure the wish was going to alter his role as the villain? If his wish included taking away all that knew Monarch and Gabriel were the same person, then Marinette might think that too. Yeah I know, in the murder basement and all that, but the wish could've easily made her think that Monarch was holding Gabriel hostage, blackmail, or have a secret partnership that Gabriel wanted to break from, or some bs like that. And if this was true, then all the others; Felix, Lila, Nathalie, Tomoe, might have their memories altered as well. This also makes me lean more toward that being Amilie, and she and Felix live with Adrien and Nathalie in the mansion after he lost both his parents.
And the one thing that could break the spell on Marinette was that message draft Ladybug never sent to Chat Noir. This is what I think could happen in Season 6. If there's a possibility for this, then I hope it will mean it includes Bunnix, because I would love to know what the wish does for the holder of the rabbit? I mean, did she know it would happen this way, or did the wish just rewrite everything for her too?
I liked the finale, but there's so many open windows here. Like you said, hopefully things will be explained later on. One big thing I'm hoping for is that they'll make up Adrien's absence by showing his side of things during Perfect Alliance. Say maybe, Argos broke him and Kagami out, and that's why Felix was also missing during all that, and it's the whole Senti-gang making a break for it!! 😄
Anyway, Always a pleasure! 🥰
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hmm in that case im not sure it alters his role as a villain, but i think he moreso wants mari to remind adrien of the little good he did, eg the scarf, letting him do certain things. but i am really hoping memories aren't altered to be honest!
thank you bestie!
No memories were altered i think
I think they should've ended by having Gabriel/Monarch genuinely realizing how much he's hurt everyone, especially his son, then give Ladybug the rope lucky charm that was used when he was cataclysmed and she reversed what happened to him instead of the disappointment of having the villain basically win and be honoured after 5 seasons of wickedness. Ladybug not telling Adrien the truth about his father was not the best idea to me, but then again, knowing the character of Adrien Agreste he would go into a deep depression once he realized that he was responsible for his father's death. He was distraught when it happened, and it was a villain, much less his own father. I'm very disappointed with the end of this arc.
sadly that lucky charm will no longer exist
I personally like the idea of Gabe winning, tho not so much him becoming a hero in everyone's eyes. But him actually getting both miraculouses and making a wish is simply something not many people would expect, i personally expected some long fight with the dumbest solution to defeat him (as that happened everytime Gabe was really close to winning and it's a kids show after all). So i was really surprised when he actually won because i didn't predict that.
7:32 In this scene of the video.
You forgot to say that Alix while not shown yet... She does still know the identities of Ladybug and Cat Noir.
And that Kagami probably knows that Gabriel Agreste was Monarch, because she did that play with Felix in Representation.
And that Plagg knows that Gabriel Agreste was Monarch, since Marinette told him before transforming into Bug Noire.
And Amelie knows that Gabriel is Monarch most likely because I'd imagine Felix wouldn't keep that a secret from her.
And that Luka knows that Adrien is Cat Noir and Su Han knows Marinette is Ladybug and most likely Adrien's identity too.
7:48 I think I know exactly what video idea you are talking about here and I hope that's the case.
Does Alix know? I’ve never been sure
@@hazeclarkeShe does, I don't think they'd need to show that, because she's a time traveller, so obviously she knows even if we don't know about it.
Story wise, it makes most sense for her to be Amalie. Gabriel and Natalie were both going to die thanks to Gabriel's relentless chase to bring his wife back, making it so that if he failed Adrien would be an orphan with not even Natalie to take care of him. After what Marinette says to him, showing Gabriel the error of his ways and he's the only one who hasn't accepted Emelie's death (this including Emelie herself), it would make most sense in guilt for everything he's done he would trade his life for Natalie's, someone who had truly cared for Adrien after Emelie's death and knew how to show it (unlike someone). It's also the simplest answer as to why Natalie is all better despite Gabriel stating he only had one wish, everyone remembers everything that happened the passed year, and there's nothing to indicate the past had been altered.
agreed!
I think you're right in saying that Gabriel wished to trade his life for Natalie and the person and the end is Amilie. It would not make sense for the other theory to be true because they still seem to remember Hawkmoth, Shadowmoth, and Monarch and everything that has happened since. If he wished for Emilie to never be effected by the peacock miraculous and she was alive during the Gabriel arc, none of it would have happened because he has no reason to make a wish because Emilie is still alive and therefore Gabriel would not spiral into madness. I makes more sense that he would have wished to trade himself for Natalie because there was no way to heal himself, Natalie, and bring Emilie back without sacrificing others. And it seemed that Ladybug was able to make him come to his senses and realize how crappy of a father he is and how much Natalie cares for Adrien. The only way that the person at the end is Emille and not Amilie is if he wished to trade his life for hers and wish for Natalie to be healed and Emilie to wake up from her "coma". But this would alsomean that someone else had to take Natalie's sickness and with Gabriel's change of heart at the end, I don't think he would do that. He would want his son to know that he did everything right in the end and it would make no sense for him to still decide to give someone else a sickness. Plus, Gabriel and Natalie had a sickness inflicted on them by a miraculous, so it would be an even trade and no one had to pay the price by getting the sickness. I think the character is Amilie and Gabriel traded his life for Natalie so Adrien would still have a parental figure in his life.
ah yeah, i think it's as simple as Emilie returning from being missing. like you say, if she was here the whole time, gabriel would bever have done this
I mean that hat and bathing suit Emilie wears could be designed by Marinette since it's both black and pink.
another thing i saw for how both Natalie and Emily could be back is Gabe wished to take natalie's disease, and emilie's death/coma onto himself. That's technically not trading one life for 2 people but I think that's a super convoluted way to make that happen. Im fine just assuming it's amilie because I really dont want them to hide his wish just so they can use information we dont know as a plot element.
Okay here is my theory: that is Amelie, here is why:
So as we see when Gabriel reunited with Emilie they were both souls aka they were floating, so I think that Emilie is dead/ill/.. bc she reunited with gebriel and they both were TOGETHER when they floated and Gabriel is dead. I think they both went to heaven/hell/idk together.
And here is what I think happened with Lila: so Gabriel has his own lounge/place where all the butterflies are and if you watched the movie you would see that that exactly happened with Gabriel, I think what happened with Lila is that her basement/.. turned into the place with the butterflies.
I hope it makes sense what I just said, hope you get what I mean 😂❤
honestly i keep going back and forth about it XD
Wow, I never thought about that last part… that’s really interesting…
All of this is just to confuse us.Thomas is clearly playing with us so we can live in a huge suspense and wait eagerly for s6. Which was stupid and a smart move, of course, regarding what he's done to us this season. In tt he said only this: 'It's simple as that! No need to be confused/complicate things.' Then said that the colours on the swimming suit don't mean anything... Which, basically, I don't believe, since somehow they spoil the black 'n pink combination - Emilie's suite colours which leads me to one conclusion: that's 'simple as it is': It's Emilie.
Also, there are some other theories I have - what if Gabriel fooled Gimmi and his real wish was to fix all his mistakes/the mistakes with the peacock miraculous? That way, yes, as you said, Colt will be also saved. We don't know about Kagami and we'll leave this for now. Since seasons 5,6,7 and 8 are confirmed to be 'darker' seasons, it's fully possible for us to experience more intense feelings and etc. As we have seen in the Movie by Jeremy Zag, oh my Gosh, everything is possible even in the show🤷🏼♀️
i mean if Colt is back i'd be super intrigued to see what they do with him!
@@hazeclarkeColt may be interesting. It is implied that he started to abuse Felix because he connected his illness with Felix's existance. With repaired Peacock Miraculous he has no such reason to mistreat him like this. He may be totally different person.
@@MusLaboratoris I LOVE THAT THEORY!
I would also like to point out that in Ephemeral, Gabriel wished for the world to be rewritten to create a better world for his family to live in. As season 5 progresses, Gabe understands that he's gonna die whether or not he makes his wish and although he might still want to rewrite the world, his wish was focussed on reversing the damages of the peacock miraculous rather than creating an entirely different world
Good point!
This was a very interesting video. However I'm gonna stick to my guts and say that this is Emilie. In the storyboard, there was one scene where they cut out Adrien looking dearily at Emilie as it zooms in on her face, and I think they cut that out, because they wanted us to have more questions, they didn't just want to give answers straight away, so they cut some things out so these plot points can lead on and connect with season 6.
I also think Gabriel was switching places with Emilie as to me, that seemed like one last moment where Gabriel embraces Emilie in his arms before he goes and she stays kind of thing.
I do feel like all of this will be explained in season 6, but as of right now, I am leading towards Gabriel sacrificing his heart and soul for Nathalie and Emilie, however it wouldn't work like that, since that wouldn't be balanced, so a consequence would have to be made. Therefore, I think Gabriel got trapped in the miraculous that was once his, the one he was so attached to and always used, the butterfly miraculous, I think he became a phantom that is trapped within the butterfly miraculous alongside Nooroo.
I think that is what Lila was afraid of at the end, because she saw something she wasn't expecting and the light was blue and as we know, in cartoon, ghosts or phantoms, are represented with a light bluish tinge to them to suggest what they are. Also in the storyboard, at that very scene, we hear a male voice laughing that is very reminiscent of whenever Gabriel laughed, but that was cut out as well to leave us with more questions, but personally I think this is the more plausible explanation.
As we know, this isn't the last we'll see of Gabriel as he is gonna somehow be in season 6, and if not in a flashback, I can definitely see this being a way in which he is included next season.
Furthermore, Mei Shi, got trapped within the prodigious as a ghost guardian who protected the prodigious, but then after Fei defeated him, he was free from that role, yet he was still attached to her, to the prodigious, wasn't he? As we see him with all the Renlings in Re-creation. He's adapted a new form after his change of roles and he can't really grant any power as he isn't actually really a renling or a kwami, he just adapated to the form of one. He isn't part of the renling roster from the prodigious and he can't be a kwami either since, kwamis tend to have double letters in their names. So this is the only plausible explanation.
Again, it's all left for question, but what Gimmi says, doesn't mean it can't neccesarilly happen. We don't even know as a matter of fact. And I think Gabriel can sacrifice himself, but as a consequence, Gimmi had to trap his soul back in the butterfly as a phantom to balance the universe, because they can't bring back two people, like you said, someone else would have to get sick and die. However, I think Gimmi allowed it so that Gabriel sacrificed his body and his spirit, so his body is gone now, and his spirit can't have a normal passing on, so it is trapped within the butterfly miraculous. What Gimmi said is pretty generic, at least to me. They weren't really specific about it, because ofc they want to leave it open ended, but that doesn't mean that Gabriel's sacrifice if his soul and body is impossible, we'll just have to wait and see until next season.
Or they could have cut it out because they changed their mind about it being Emilie? There could be loads of reasons why they did it. Interesting idea about Gabe! But im not sure it’s actually possible. Like I don’t think Gimmi would do that since it goes against the rules
Mei-shi is part of the cave key, not the prodigious
@@hazeclarke oh yeah, but he's still a ghost attached to an item nonetheless, so it's not impossible for Gabriel to be a phantom like him.
Like I said, I think the rules aren't really explained that well, they're too general and not specific at all, and I like I said there would still be a consequence, that if Gabriel being a phantom and not having a normal passing.
Tbh I feel like Amelie wouldn't get that excited to get a drink from the gorilla unless she was very close friends with him , so I think this is emelie
I agree with you!
Yes but remember in representation we find out Gorilla was Colts bodyguard or something and in exchange for Felix to be born via the peacock miraculous, he was to grant gorilla as Adrien's bodyguard. So She could have been happy to see him again. I believe it could be Emilie also but maybe Amelie too. I am split on that
I think I have one theory, since Emily is not dead but is in a coma, when Gabriel make the wish he said read his mind which I think mean trading his consciousness so Emily could be back, and when he said read his soul mean he is giving his life to Natalie, so he sacrifice his consciousness for Emily and his body for Natalie.
the wish doesn't work like that. his soul and consciousness isn't an equal trade for two lives
I really think the wish was different or at least more complicated than it seems. I also think something went wrong...because there is no perfect wish. There is always a cost.
Gabriel told Nathalie he wasn't planning to sacrifice humans. It's possible he was lying. I originally took this to mean he intended to use one or more of the senti-beings. But what he meant something else? Kwamis aren't human...and he treated them like beasts in cages and said as much too. I've been worried for Nooroo since that final scene in Re-creation...and even more now realizing this.
It could go a few ways but the only kwami we don't see and kniw is okay...is Nooroo. So:
1. Maybe he wished Nathalie healthy and Emelie back too using his own life and Nooroo. Nooroo would be very sick and dying or dead then.
2. He wished the Butterfly damaged instead of the Peacock. No humans sacrificed.
3. Building on 2, maybe he included that Nooroo take the effects from the damage instead of himself.
So either Nooroo is very sick...or died. In which case...who or what came out of the Butterfly when Lila put it on?
It also doesn't make sense that Gabriel could just choose the result of his wish and Gimmi would go with exactly what he wanted. The wish was supposed to have a cost/price to pay. And as Marinette said "there is no perfect wish". I'm nearly certain was always meant to work more like how genies/djinn would grant a wish.
I won't say outright, but I have a pretty good guess as to what happened with the wish and the Butterfly at the end. And if they do it right it will be way more interesting than Lila being Hawkmoth 2.0. Poetic even.
ah yeah i think there will be some consequences! the world is too perfect rn! hmmm would gimmi sacrifice a kwami? a kwami is not equivalent to a human
I'm sorry but this Theories doesn't make sense. A Kwami life isn't equal to a human life.
If he woukd have wished for the peacock miraculous to never be broken there woukd never been a hawkmoth. But there was so thats not it either.
And 3 also human life and/or sickness isn't equal to a kwami.
Its Ameli thats the only possible way
@@JustTuppi Sometime aftervmy comment it was, in fact, confirmed that it was Amelie we saw with Nathalie by the pool.
As far as the wish, we still don't know the details. My ideas are just ideas of course. However, it is a fictional fantasy series and the creators/writers can do what they like because it's their story and world.
Nathalie seems to be fully recovered so something healed her. Since Gabriel was dying his remaining life wouldn't be equivalent to healing Nathalie, so someone else would be badly hurt instead. And that ending is a pretty big hint that something is up with Nooru. Maybe it's related to the cataclysm in Destruction, maybe to do with the wish, or maybe both.
@@hazeclarke I just realized I never replied. I don't think Gimmi would sacrifice a kwami willingly, but they might not have full control of the wish/power. I mean why would they even grant it if they had a choice? More likely the power is djinn/genie like so they are bound to complete the wish but have some control of how they get to the outcome. In which case...consequences.
Honestly bestie, this episode’s ending has still left me stumped. I could see either of your possibilities being plausible but I have no idea who this person truly is. Apart of me is leaning towards it being Emilie since there are still a few clues indicating that Emilie was brought back to life. I think the biggest clue is that the statue that used to be in the garden is now gone. On the little bench where Marinette and Adrien share their kiss, the statue of Emilie used to sit, but now it’s just an empty bench. If Emilie were still gone, why would her statue no longer be present? It’s definitely possible that the writer’s may have decided last minute that they wanted this to be Amelie instead, but they didn’t wanna change the scenery of Marinette and Adrien’s kiss since it’s such a beautiful set so they decided to keep it. However, in the scene where “Emilie” is served a drink, she’s framed in front and center, whereas Nathalie kinda falls more into the background. In my eyes, it feels like the intention of the scene was to draw emphasis on Emilie indicating to the audience that she’s back. If the writer’s had decided to make this Amelie at the last minute, I feel like they should’ve had the animator’s switch her place with Nathalie so that the emphasis would now be on Nathalie showing that the wish was used to only heal her. However, since they left the scene as is, it’s making me more inclined to believe that this is Emilie. Again, this could’ve just been remnants of the script where this was originally intended to be Emilie but there just wasn’t enough time to switch things around. Even though I still don’t really have a firm belief of who this could be, my gut is kinda leaning more towards it being Emilie, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it actually turns out to be Amelie instead.
If this is really Emilie though, I honestly have no idea who would’ve been sacrificed in order to save Nathalie. Based on what we know right now, it doesn’t appear as if there are any other significant characters who could’ve been used in the switch. I doubt that they would just take some random insignificant person as a sacrifice either because that wouldn’t make for a very interesting story at all. It would have to be someone who’s just as significant to one of the character’s as Nathalie is to Adrien. Perhaps Master Fu maybe? Since they’ve already kinda written him out of the story, maybe they would somehow decide to make it a plot in season 6 where Marinette goes to visit Master Fu and finds out that he’s fallen gravely ill. That could potentially explain why nothing seems wrong at this point in time because Marinette probably hasn’t gone to see Master Fu in a little while. Then again, I doubt they would do something like this since that seems a little dark. Then again, this season has definitely tackled some dark topics so who knows. Lmao wait nah, what if Chloe was the sacrifice? I mean, we already know that Astruc thinks she’s just the most evil irredeemable person ever, and besides, they’ve already done everything they can to assassinate her character anyways. Just kidding, just kidding!! None of that is meant to be taken seriously at all. My apologies if that joke was a little too dark. At this point I’m just racking my brain from any ideas. Hopefully season 6 won’t just casually gloss over this idea if it turns out that both Emilie and Nathalie are now back and in healthy condition. I really hope that we get to potentially see some of the consequences of the wish and how this would all relate to Lila as the show’s new main villain!! Can’t wait to see your theory video about her! Until then, take care of yourself bestie!! ❤️
Rn im leaning towards Emilie but more so just because I want it to be her XD I still think it could be, but you’re right, the statue, the framing of her, it makes it out to be Emilie rather than Amelie
Ah yes im sure Nathalie’s sacrifice is someone significant! I think whoever it is we’ll see next season! Master Fu is an interesting choice! But god I hope it’s not Chloe XD
Thank you bestie!
One thing I want to know is when Gabriel made the wish to make himself as the hero helping Ladybug defeat Monarch did he sacrifice the person who is the Hawk Moth of the future was the villain the whole time or something similar to that. Because from what Marinette is saying she only references Monarch never Gabriel so could it be that the wish brainwashed or altered Marinette's memory when she was fighting Monarch and the truth about Gabe being Monarch????
Also, I can see both sides of the argument of whether the women we see is either Emilie or Amilie but I think its Amilie because knowing Gabriel and how obsessed he is with Emilie to the point he can't live without her, he rather be with her in the afterlife than actually being a father towards Adrien. Gabriel always referred Emilie as his wife whenever he talked to Adrien I don't remember a single time he ever referred to her as his mother, I could be wrong but thats what I noticed.
Love your video and you did an amazing job explaining the wish. Looking forward to your next video on "Lila" because I personally have a lot to say too 😂😂.
Ah no mari seems to be well aware Gabriel was monarch
Thank you bestie!
Let’s get a voting system in place; I personally think it’s Amelie because it’s makes sense to the rules we are given about the wish. Agree or disagree. ❤Emile😊Amelie.
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😊😊😊😊😊Amelie.
Makes more sense, in perspective of story plot.
😊 it just makes sense if she was emilie wouldn’t make sense at all like how would she suddenly out of nowhere reappear w/o adrian knowing gabriel was hawkmoth/shdowmoth/monarch all along
if it is Emily, they say people in comas are able to hear things around them, what if Emily was able to hear Hawk/Scarlett/Shadow/Monarch daddy's rants about evil stuff and something happens with that? that would be cool.
Ooo interesting!
Ar we even sure she was in coma or it was just her dead body keep fresh
@@sorassmallunicornworld3418 she was defintly dead
Ok
So Gabriel is definitely gone we can all agree becuase the finale after the battle they made a statue of Gabriel for “helping defeat monarch” everyone thinks he died by helping ladybug defeat him….Nathalie died when marinette/ladybug was in the room so he had to sacrifice 2 things because he brought back 2
Bros a legend for bringing swimming gear and diving into the murder basement and stealing an old man's jewellery to traumatize more children . Yay
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I love your videos! I actually think you would do great analysing other shows in the meantime as we do wait for s6. Have you ever watched stuff like ASOUE, MLP:FIM, Sofia the first or Elena of Avalor? I'd personally love you to analyse them, but it's just a suggestion no pressure!
I’m thinking about doing something like that!
@@hazeclarke Cool 😎
@@hazeclarke I think we should get to know you as a person. what's your favourite food?
If I had to guess Mari still remembers because she was there when the wish was made and because that's what Gabriel wanted as well as for his son to have a happy life, his wish was not only to be with his wife but for Adrian to have a life he could be happy with. Gabriel wanted Adrian to be happy but he also wanted to be with his wife and so in his heart the two wishes were one and gammy read his heart to make them reality even if it meant Gabriel had to go away and be erased from this universe. He's still remembered as monarch but only Mari knew his identity and as the guardian I feel it makes sense for her to remember
Hey Haze. I might have a theory, well actually I read it off from another youtube comment and they said that it might be possible that Gabriel sacrificed his life to restore the broken Peacock Miraculous before Gabriel found it and before he gave it to Emilie and when I read that comment, I said it was an interesting theory and got my head thought spinning just thinking about it, but like you also said, it would have restored Colt Fathom.
He physically cannot so that unless he sacrifices more people
@@hazeclarke Not exactly haze, it would be like when Gabriel almost gave the data drive to his past self that had the information that can repair the broken miraculous, change something in the past to change the future, the only difference is he used himself to make it happen, in which means that everyone that was effected by the broken Peacock Miraculous would be cured, including Colt, Natalie, and whoever created Kagami.
What I basically think is that, if that is Emilie, that would (for me) ruin the whole finale.
What I thought the wish was is the Peacock Miraculous never being broken but instead, it was the Butterfly Miraculous, an equal exchange. And since Gabriel was already dying due to the cataclysm at this point he didn't care how it would effect him so he used it as a loophole to bring back as many people as possible with only his life being given up.
That would not make sense because when the peacock miraculous would never be broken then they wound never have been a hawkmoth. Because he would not have a reason to hawkmoth. The only way ist that thats Amelie and not emily and he respected her wishes and joined her in death
I completely agree with your perception on this, my only point would be that should gabriel have wished to undo the affects of the damaged peacock miraculous, it would not required multiple sacrifices, but another miraculous to have caused damage, it is an odd way to look at it, but you wish for the peacock miraculous to have never been broken and another miraculous would have needed to be repaired in its place, the difference being that marinette or master fu would have known about how to fix the miraculous so no damage ultimately would have been caused, hope this helps understand what could have happened here
I really want to be Emile, but if not I would accept it. Though I think it would cool for Adrien's mom to be around, though this season I've thought of Nathalie as his mom. I also think Adrien/Cat will find out next season about his dad and that were the anti-Cat part comes in.
Haze, whenever you said Monarch Daddy, may he rest in peace, I thought of the Princess Diaries.
omg i love princess diaries XD
King Rupert, may he rest in peace~
😳 Amelie! It's GOT to be her! I think Gabriel sacrificed his life and his wife's for Natalie and someone else, since she was still alive, but in a coma, never to recover anyway.
I think what happened here is that after Gabriel and finally made his wish he wished to be with his wife in the afterlife and that's exactly what happened he sacrificed himself so he can be back with Emily not in the real world but in the afterlife and that means Natalie has to be the one to take care of Adrian now
Everything aside, the thing that disappointed me the most is all the work and everything happened in the presence of ladybug while chat noir had no role in this. Those two are the heros n the ending i.e defeating monarch should be both of their's doing and not just ladybug, which is so unfair.
About the ending, I think Gab gave up on his life to be w/ Emilie in afterlife while in the scene might b felix's mother. Since they said Gab helped ladybug defeat "monarch"
cat noir not being there will always annoy me!
I really don’t think it should be Emile, if so it wouldn’t make sense for Felix to have been there in Paris.
I think Amelie would have taken responsibility of adrien and moved/ travelled to Paris with Felix and Nathalie becoming her assistant
If It is Emelie then Gabriel is an even more awful person because someone else has to die for Nathalie. I believe it is Amelie because I don't think we would see Marinette so "calm" with Gabe being seen as a hero in the end If she knew someone was ill/dead because of the wish.
I definitely think that was Amelie. I think that when Marinette was talking to Gabriel she did convince him a little bit, just to "tip over his heart and soul" but he didn't quite believe it. So when he told Gimmi to read his heart, he THOUGHT he was talking about Emilie but it was Nathalie, and when he told Gimmi to read his soul, he THOUGHT he was sacrificing someone else but he sacrificed himself (Since Nathalie's sickness would have transferred to him, I think he would have just died on the spot, he had it coming.)
I think they put Amelie next to Nathalie just to mess with the audience, and to make us have all these crazy theories to discuss for the next year. That may just be me though, I'm off to watch more theoretical videos on the topic.
lol yeah i do think it was partially done to mess with us XD
If he did wish to save the miraculous then in order to put the universe in balance another miraculous would have to be broken. This could've been the butterfly which is why gabriel dies in the finale because he was technically for the past year using this broken miraculous.
I think the wish was for everyone to get what they deserved or what they are destined for, like how Emilie and Nathalie are alive, Miss Bustier becomes mayor, Chloe and Audrey are in exile, Chloe's dad is a film director, Lila is in possession of the Butterfly Miraculous, Adrien becomes free, all the heroes now keep their miraculous permanently, Kwamis are free and Mr.Democles is a principal again.
It better be Emilie or I'm gonna throw hands. 😭😭 For Nathalie's illness there is a theory that 1 of lila's mom takes her place. But idk if that's true tho
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I mean it’s interesting if lilas mum is but what was her motivation for getting the butterfly then? Because her mum would have only fallen ill after the wish
@@hazeclarke Oh yeah i guess that idea is not relevant now lol
From Astruc’s comments on twitter I’m almost sure they changed the finale and it’s Amelie. Poor Gabe sacrificed himself for Nathalie.
But I still cannot believe they killed him. They promised we’ll see Gabriel in the next seasons, right? If they meant his statue it’s cruel. Weird jokes as for writers of kids show.
Yeah well maybe as a flashback or we might learn about his past as in like he was called Gabi Grassete right so maybe that. He will for sure be mentioned
Oh I think we’ll definitely see him again!
@@yashenumulla4068 or mohawk Gabriel 😂 i want to know if he was a rebel when they met
@@leodemi23 Oh yeah
I wished that Gabriel would have come back in a way because... ok, part of me is glad that he won, but another part of me feels like that was too easy of an ending for him, so I would like it if he came back. But that is never going to happen.
Also, I think that it would have been really cool if Gabriel lost everything and became this Lex Luthor type of villain in Miraculous where he is on some, "If I couldn't defeat Ladybug as Hawkmoth or Monarch, then I will defeat Ladybug as Gabriel Agrest!" Type of stuff. And Gabriel uses his wealth, connections, and influence to his advantage, like maybe he becomes mayor, or governor, or even president, and he wages a one-man-war against all of the miraculous holders in the world like he takes away funding and resources for businesses making the businesses suffer, and taking away their homes, and messing with the school system so the kids can't go to college and he just destroys their futures and livelihoods, like he buys over Marinette's parents' bakery, he kicks them out, and he sets it on fire to where Marinette's family loses everything and they never recover, and he just does more damage as Gabriel than he ever did as Hawkmoth or Monarch proving that without any miraculous Gabriel is still powerful in his own right. That is what I wish would happen, but that is never going to happen.
totally get you! i want him to face the consequences of his actions. oooo and i love those ideas! i do kind of wish it went more like that XD
@hazeclarke Like, in that episode with the time traveling villain from the future who said that the future Hawkmoth was not Gabriel, like I would like it if it was "Lila" but at the same time Gabriel is there being a Lex Luthor type of figure in the background or on the side and they are both doing their own things, and Gabriel in the back of his head he is like, "I will be Hawkmoth again." And then it is like in the far future, "Lila" gets defeated, and then Gabriel gets the butterfly miraculous back. Things like that. I know that it is repetitive, but it seems juicy.
Can't wait for your Cerise/Iris Video and i hope to see your Miraculous World Halloween Paris And reverse Theory videos! From,Gabe
Can't wait for your theory videos !!
Thank you bestie 💖
IMO it would make more sense to be Amelie but what if he wished to transfer Nathalie's illness on himself and then sacrificed his life for Emilie?
Hm interesting idea!
I'm almost certain the original plan was to fix the peacock before Emilie ever used it (re. the Shanghai special and "Evolution"), which would mean another miraculous broke instead. Which would probably be the butterfly, and since Gabriel by all accounts DID still become Hawk Moth even when Emilie was around and DID still die from it, it'd check out
@@rosesinseptember mmm but that would drastically change the timeline
I don't think that is Emilie. They are just trying to make us think it is. I think Gabriel sacrificed himself for Natalie. To me that is the only thing that explains him coming together with his wife and floating upwards. As if they had been reunited. Which was what he had wanted through the whole show.
He sacrificed himself which means he didn't wish for peacock miraculous to be fixed earlier on since he would need to sacrifice another thing such as some other miraculous to be damaged (since as you explain in video sacrifice needs to be equal to the wish if you ask for peas to be red strawberries will be green) i personally think Marinette showing video to gabriel made him change his mind and that moment when he is holding emelie feels like he accepted everything while giving nathalie a life also if emelie is alive how is nothing questioned? We know they know about monarch's existence (which also states peacock miraculous wasn't fixed since it would change events) and there is big chanse they changed the scripts last moment and i also feel like hair color is more of amilies hair color. But again they could be messing with us and it could be Emilie which is living so many potholes and questions but we will find out in season 6
ALSO A QUESTION what do you guys think who would he sacrifice if he managed to make the wish wayy back like in season 3
in season 3, i think he would have sacrificed either master fu or marinette!
Another thing that scares me is that in the fandom wiki it’s said that the wish brought back Emilie.
The wiki isn’t 100% accurate!
@@hazeclarke Thank God!
I don't if she said this or not cuz I am still watching but where Adrian and marinette were sitting is where the statue of adriens mother was. ( at least i think)
Amelie, most definitely. He said his wish was to free his heart (stop being the bad guy, which is only possible if he releases himself from his grief), in exchange of his life. He did not wish for her return. Therefore, she remains dead.
I have a LONG rant...but I'm just gonna say the second one that stings me the most, because it encapsulates the problem's core.
Boustier's regime. Everything was acceptable (I figured Tsurugi and Gabriel worked together to help her vision come true in this reality) UNTIL the school system. Does Astruc not understand that competition is exactly to bring out our full potential, and ensure an easier distribution of resources among people ? Of course the end of the world was presented as everything being fixed. He doesn't understand our world is NOT what he wants it to be. He's childish and that's it.
oh god i could talk for literally hours about how childish thomas is
@@hazeclarke let's be honest, as tempting as it would be, that would be a waste of our breaths.
Im convinced it was Felix’s mother and not Adrien simply because the green of her eyes would’ve been bright enough with the shading. Rn I couldn’t exactly tell; wich leads me to think it couldn’t be Emily, because yknow her eyes are so green pale that I’m sure we wouldn’t even have hesitated
I think that Lila would have been sacrificed as in the end Lila saw something that we didn't and some bright electric light flashed and ended the scene with
Lila
Re. the woman at the poolside being Amelie, and GabrielBabes trading his life for Girlypopalie, that's a bit of galaxy brain there, Haze! One could extend your point by asking the question: if Nathalie's health depended upon another becoming terminally ill, who would Gabriel have chosen that to be? Clearly, he had in his heart and soul the person that was to be the object of his wish and the person that was to pay the price, or be the price; the latter had to have been himself, given what happened, so the former must have been Nathalie if she was to be restored. Then again.... if Nathalie was dead (and she seemed decidedly not alive by the time of the final showdown in the Murder Basement) Gabriel offering his life for hers wouldn't have required anyone else to become ill, nor would it have meant him absorbing the illness as he was going to die anyway.
There was an episode of "Star Trek" ("The Next Generation") in which a major twist occurred in the timeline - a character that had been killed off was brought back due to a time travel incident from past to future creating a parallel universe in which she had lived; during the course of the episode one of the time travellers was killed, and her place was taken by this alternate timeline character, going back to the past to restore the original timeline .... but at the end of the episode, everyone in the restored timeline still remembered her. That's very confusing, and it might help to watch the episode in question if you get chance - "Yesterday's Enterprise" is the title - but the point is that this instalment of Miraculous seemed to echo that plot device of altered timeline in which the characters nevertheless remember the old timeline. I suppose the writers aren't the type to let logic get in the way of a juicy story!
perhaps he didn't choose anyone and gimmi gave it to someone random? oh wow that does sound like a confusing episode! XD
my guess is that Gabriel sacrificed himself for Natalie cause that's what gimme read in his heart and that s just Amalie next to Natalie
I think colt WILL be back and there will be a scene of Felix confronting him. Season 5 was shown to be dark so why should the next season all of a sudden be for kids again? Especially with how demented Lila is.
This leads me to believe Gabriel wishes for the peacock damage to be reversed, resulting in the butterfly miraculous being damaged. Usually when people put a miraculous the kwamis pop out with their little light bubble… but for Lila that wasn’t the case
Considering how abusive & violent Colt was with his son, it will definitely be dark. There's obviously a reason as to why it looks like Felix is living with Adrien & Nathalie, because Colt could be back, & they're trying to escape his domestic abuse crimes.
@@amandamakin1542 now that Felix has the peacock he is in control of him self and his amok, so I can see Felix just straight up scolding him, colt possibly gets akumatized and Felix is the one fighting him.
Those are just some theories, but why mention cost if he’s not gonna be here anyways? Season 6 will most likely be darker anyways with Lila wanting to make marinette miserable and alone and your reasoning gave even more evidence for me to believe that we will see him in season 6
I dont think hiding stuff from adrien is any better?! Hes gonna find out in the end anyways and hes gonna be mad,disappointed,betrayed who knows but he wont be happy for sure…
And this erased memory thing is SO confusing 😭 If gabe wished for adrien to have like a perfect life,maybe forget that his father was bad,who knows then how could he erase (also) marinettes memory? Or everyones!
Like he didnt erase the memories that ladybug and cat noir hold of each other,their fights etc.
LIKE MONARQUES EXISTENCE WASNT WIPED OFF PARIS🧍♀️
heeelp🥹
Will this settle down in s6 ,, cause i need to know what he erased!!😂
Haze season 5 ended in a mess i hope season 6 clear up things and by the way you still rock babygirl ❤❤❤❤
Thank you 💖
Has anyone thought that maybe Gabriel wanted Adrien to be created by himself with the broken peacock miraculous and not Emilie? And maybe thanks to that Natalie and Emilie are alive?
As other people pointed out, If he had created Adrien then Emelie would have never died and he would have never become Hawkmoth and LB and CN wouldn't exist.
And how did Emilie's statue disappear in the place where Marinette and Adrien kissed?
They could have just removed the statue
I would be very interesting if it was Ameilie
Tbh I feel like Gabriel was actually getting a little smarter in this season
Lol he was
I’m willing to bet its Amelie! If that’s the case, I wonder if her and Felix will move in with Natalie and Adrien since Felix is a good guy now and can use his miraculous to help Ladybug or if they will still have their separate homes
I'm really freaking confused about everything that happened starting from when Gabriel was making the wish.
- How did Adrien get back from London to his house?
- How did there become so many vines, flowers, and a whole pool at the Agreste mansion?
- If it was Emilie who was shown in the scene with Nathalie, why wasn't Emilie confused or angry about how she's alive again?
- What happened with the rings? Like what about them?
- Why is everyone so happy? Do they know the world has been recreated?
- What's all the talk about how Kagami was created?
- Why is Adrien happy, even when he knows his father died?
- Are Adrien and Marinette ever gonna be Ladybug and Cat Noir again?
I probably have many more questions lol.
honestly it's hard to say! like i say in the video, the finale begins, it's the first day of summer break, and after the wish, it's the end of break, which is two months later, so with such a huge time skip, it's hard to say how Adrien got back or other questions like that. and again, due to the time skip, it's possible emilie is or was angry and we just haven't seen her reaction yet. she hasn't said anything yet. but i do think only mari, alya, suhan, emilie and nathalie (and maybe a few others) and aware of the re-creation
and kagami is also senti!
@@hazeclarke thanks so much for the response!!!
Cat noir ghosting during crucial episodes everytime
Here's my thing. The only piece of "evidence" that it's Emilie is the fact that leaks say it's Emilie. But that's not real evidence, because we were never supposed to see the leaks. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if it wasn't for the leaks. I heard people saying that Astruc was saying it was Emilie, but I've seen the tweets people are refering to, and all he said was "the answer is in the episode". The episode makes no reference at all to it being Emilie. If Emilie was back, there would be at least some confirmation in the episode. Nadjia would have mentioned something in her report on Gabriel about his wife being found, and Adrien would mention that he has his mother back.
I get what you mean! We were never supposed to see it so the mystery is still there and even though we do have the script, I still think it could be Amelie
So, I think it's entirely possible that Gabriel exchanged his like for Emilie and Natalie's for Lila
It’s been confirmed to be Amelie 💖
@@hazeclarke called it !
It’s Emily because in the leak they were designing her swimsuit and what she would look like and their was a scene that did go into the finally where Adrien and Emily were looking at each other and being happy.
that doesn't necessarily mean it's emilie, bestie XD
It was confusing, but I can’t wait for season 6
I wonder...will Lila/Cerise/Stacey akumatize herself into Volpina & fight Rena Rouge? After all, they apparently did say they would do a Rena Rouge vs Volpina episode once...
@@amandamakin1542 oh yh I remember that, idk maybe
They will fucked up Season 6. I can feel it.
Given the Animation with Gabriel and Emily embracing ,Both of them Have to Be dead. He would wish to join her, not force her to live without him like he had to live without her. So the person we're seeing here has to be Felix's mom. It would make little sense for them to use an embracing animation if Emilie was replacing Him.
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its simple he wished to be together with emiley in the afterlife
IT WAS EMILIE. IT BETTER BE FUCKIN EMILIE ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
YES
OR IM GONNA GO TO PARIS AND DO SOMETHING TO THOMAS😤😤😤
@@MYT_08REALLL. WE WILL PULL UP IN A BUGATTI AT THE AGRESTE MANSION REAL.
Omg 😂
I agree with you! It better be Emilie!
The ending confused me so much, like was it Emilie or amilie, and if it was Emilie, then why is no one questioning it
Rip the person sacrificed for nathalie
What is confusing though is the episode after, episode 27. It goes back to monarch/Gabriel being alive and akumatizing another person which makes no sense because it was assumed he was dead and that marinette had all of the miraculous back but it shows that monarch still has them all? I’m very confused about that. Not to mention that emilie, amelie or felix were in the episode at all. It makes no sense because it showed that all of the kwamis reunited with their holders. But monarch had them all again? Why?
Ah so action is set at 22! Before Chloe becomes mayor 💖
There is 2 options: it can be emilie and it can be amilie first emilie can be beacuse gabriel wish that nathali and emilie be healed you can see that nathalie is alive. Second option is that gabriel sacrifised himself for him and emilie to be together that is why picture is replesemning emilie or amelie
7:00 Tbh I wld be really scared if my house was covered in plants , I'm scared of bugs and this wld totally creep me out
oh lol i think it looks beautiful!
Ik but I don't like bugs and plants have bugs so I'll be paranoid
Or the 3rd: That is Emilie and the writters were to lazy to think of a wish that would make sense in the context
And they’re just waiting to explain it all away next season 😂
I was in school once and the teacher went to the toilet. So me and my classmates were goofing around and most of us watch MLB so I took out my phone secretly and showed them one of your videos! Suddenly one of the cheeky boys in my class, he said that a mean teacher I didn't like that she was under the table! So i fell down and screamed from my chair. I came back to my senses and put my phone back it had fell. So a teacher came running and asked us what was wrong. The whole class covered me and said I fell off the chair and was in pain and then i got sent home it was an exam day hahahah 😅😅 Not acc exams but a test.
Thanks for saving me Haze. You saved me from a test. I got to go home and chill babe.
lmao no problem XD
@@hazeclarke Hahah thanks
Did this make you laugh so much you fell off your chair
If he wished for the Peacock Miraculous to be restored another Miraculous would have to be damaged.
I would hope the butterfly would be damaged so none of the heroes would
Be hurt
Given thier luck it would be the cat miraculous
I wonder if with gimmi if you can choose to sacrifice yourself and if you want more people to come to life then it just sacrifices for random people. Like it. Just rolls a dice and sadly three other people are just dead!
Correct!
Found a fanfic called "Queen Redux" (yes, the title is what it implies).
However, here's what makes it good. While the first two chapters make clear the redemption premise was the initial main cause, onwards, the author makes an effort to balance Astruc's vision with what he lacked in the first place from season 2 forward. Good writing.
Basically, the fanfic is somewhat the show's retell/slight retell from "Style Queen" forward, if it had good writing and Chloé (and the rest of the Bourgeouis) didn't suffer character assassination. Others exist, but fot the moment, this is the one I'm gonna focus on reading for the foreseeable future.
I truly recommend it because, among other things such as less childish writing, Ladybug and Chat Noir, after "Anansi", start getting more balanced in power.
Read it when you have the chance.
sounds interesting!
@@hazeclarke hope so. I'm selective on what entertains me for a reason.
If that person is Emile gabriel babe’s probably sacrificed his life and someone’s life (maybe it’s lila’s mom)
Here's what I think happened:
First, Gabriel's wish: I think his wish was for Adrien to live a happy life, as in live with Emily and Nathalie, that way it would still count as wanting "one thing" as he says. As for the specifics, I think he exchanged his life for Emilie's. That way, it would be an equal exchange. As for Nathalie, I could see it being one of two ways: 1- He wished that he fixed the peacock miraculous earlier, as in the events of the season three finale happen earlier, and Nathalie doesn't get too sick. Or 2- he wished that Nathalie never became Mayura in the first place. Yes, that would change a lot of the events, but in the finale, they never mentioned anything about senti monsters created by Mayura specifically. As for the equal exchange, for '1' the consequence can be the butterfly miraculous getting damaged when ladybug hit it in the finale, or that Gaberiel got sick instead for whatever reason. As others have said, Gimmi doesn't really care much as long as it's an 'equal' exhange.
Second: As for Emily coming back, I feel like a good narrative would be that she was kidnapped by Hawk Moth. That way they can say that Gaberiel was blackmailed into letting Monarch high jack the alliance rings, and that he ended up telling Ladybug who Monarch was and helping her get to his lair, but getting killed in the process. That way the public would have a reason to regard him as a hero. It would also explain why Emily came back the moment Monarch was defeated.
Finally: I think the butterfly miraculous being broken would make sense considering what happened to Lila at the end. Afterall, the show never told us that every miraculous's consequences are the same when they are used while damaged. Maybe when they're damaged they operate similar to the equal exchange with Gimmi. As in the peacock miraculous is used to create life, so it takes the holder's life when broken. Under that analogy, the butterfly miraculous transmits something horrible when it is damaged, possibly from another reality altogether.
I feel that if the butterfly miraculous was damaged and operated that way, then maybe a ghost was transmitted to Lila that will haunt her forever or something like that. That would give Lila the motivation to hunt Ladybug and Cat Noir, as she wants to use the wish to remove the curse of the butterfly miraculous.
As for the memories thing. I think the wish altered them slightly, but for the most part, they remained the same.
I know some of these are far-fetched, but it is fun to speculate 😅. I think they're fun concepts, and I will probably write a fanfic about it while waiting for season 6 xd.
Edit: grammar and added the memories part.
I’m not sure just wanting one thing means he only has to sacrifice himself. I think more has to be done. But yes, you’re right! No sentimosnters are mentioned after the wish
Oooo love that idea if Emilie being kidnapped! As for the butterfly being broken, it would be immediately broken upon the wish. It wouldn’t wait two months to happen
When he wished Emily back AND that Nathalie would never became Mayura or that she never would have become sick that would be two wished AND there needs to be an equal. When he wished that Nathalie would have never been sick someone else would have been. Or if she never used the peacock miraculous that someone else would have and would have been sick. The only logical outcome is that thats Amelie and not emily
Emilie’s spirit literally floated up with Gabriel’s… for that alone, I think it has to be Amelie.
It’s an eye for an eye, not two eyes for an eye. I’m pretty sure the wish and the price have to be equal, so him just wishing Nathalie to come back to health so Adrien wouldn’t be alone just makes sense
Also, to those saying that the wish recreates the world, I feel like that’s yet another inconsistency, because if that was true, than none of the entire show would have even happened
i think it more of recreates the world from that moment rather than from the start
Or… Emilie was in a coma/life support or whatever and woke up from her slumber to join the party and Gabriel’s wish was to heal nathalies wounds. This is my theory that Emilie was never dead just in a coma in the first place or like you have said she is on life support