Mysterious Celtic Tree Alphabet Uncovered!

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  • Опубліковано 27 кві 2023
  • Another @pbsstoried short from your friends at Fate & Fabled!
    Ogham, aka the “Celtic tree alphabet”, is a vertically-written Irish language. how cool is that?
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    Produced by Spotzen for PBS Digital Studios.

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  • @pbsstoried
    @pbsstoried  Рік тому +55

    Had you ever heard of this Celtic writing system before?

    • @oddacious0ne
      @oddacious0ne Рік тому +4

      No. I had heard the same thing. All oral traditions.

    • @Kuwagumo
      @Kuwagumo Рік тому +11

      Never, and it makes me wonder if any other "oral" culture had an alphabet and we just dont know yet!

    • @Somebodyherefornow
      @Somebodyherefornow Рік тому +2

      yea!

    • @pbsstoried
      @pbsstoried  Рік тому +10

      @@Kuwagumosuper curious about this too!

    • @Ice_Karma
      @Ice_Karma Рік тому +16

      Yeah, I had. Fun fact: it's pronounced roughly like "oh-um", not "og-um" -- the "gh" is silent.

  • @saladiniv7968
    @saladiniv7968 Рік тому +131

    fun fact, the ogham unicode block is the only unicode script in which the "space" character isn't represented by a blank space, rather it is displayed as a straight line.

    • @bauhiniafolia9673
      @bauhiniafolia9673 Рік тому +7

      Sounds like a tom scott funfact

    • @saladiniv7968
      @saladiniv7968 Рік тому +6

      @@bauhiniafolia9673 i think he did a video about it at some point.

    • @geolawie
      @geolawie Рік тому +5

      ​@@saladiniv7968 he did, that's how I knew of this

    • @adityasharma70707
      @adityasharma70707 22 дні тому

      Similar to Old Persian cuneiform

  • @CryssieCarver
    @CryssieCarver Рік тому +22

    *cries in forgotten Welsh celts*

    • @sineadgiblin2672
      @sineadgiblin2672 Рік тому +8

      In higher Irish in schools, the Welsh are not forgotten as part of our celtic brethren, well if you speak "as gaelige" we're taught it.

    • @pbsstoried
      @pbsstoried  Рік тому +4

      😭 😭 😭

    • @WokeYouTube
      @WokeYouTube Рік тому +3

      to our lost culture

    • @MarkusAldawn
      @MarkusAldawn Рік тому +7

      ​@@sineadgiblin2672I remember somebody joking that Irish and Welsh got in a fight for the vowels and Irish won!
      Today, I think we should share with our friends across the fair waves. Not just vowels, but a respect for the preservation of their language, which is a model worth following for all marginalised Celtic languages!

    • @sineadgiblin2672
      @sineadgiblin2672 Рік тому +2

      @MarkusAldawn FACTS! But they took Y instead and we're missing a few consonants too.

  • @Delphae111
    @Delphae111 Рік тому +30

    when my cousin and i were little, we would write letters to eachother in ogham

    • @ibrav7979
      @ibrav7979 Рік тому +1

      Can you tell how you did it and how did you learn it?

    • @Delphae111
      @Delphae111 Рік тому +5

      @@ibrav7979 we found a copy of ogham letters in some book (the internet wasn't widely available at the time) and roughly one to one them to our alphabet. Nothing fancy, just two weird kids fooling around.

  • @evelynlamoy8483
    @evelynlamoy8483 Рік тому +20

    The G is mostly silent.
    when an H follows a letter in the (irish/scottish/mann?) celtic languages it changes the pronunciation. A g plus an h can either be pronounced as a double h, with the first one being almost silent and throaty, followed by a mouthy h, or simply smushed together into a single h sound.
    Not sure about the none gaelic celtic languages.
    Theres an old welsh book with an entire section dedicatted to Ogham.
    It's called the Book of Ballymote. The section within is called the Book of Ogham.
    Ogham may have very well come from the cisalpine gauls. those being the gaulish celts of northern Italy. There are reports of them communicating at long distance by slapping their hands onto their legs with fingers in different poses.
    None of these details were clearly recorded enough for people to know for sure, but it seems like the different branching lines of ogham (coming at most in sets of 5) may represent different finger positions, and that these mediteranian celts were flashing signaled messages in a form of early ogham sign language.
    If this is the case, and the finger language predates the carved wood and stone corners, the name Ogham would have certainly come later, as the word actually means "carvings", linked with their god of eloquence, champion in battle and word: Ogma, whose name means "carver".

    • @pbsstoried
      @pbsstoried  Рік тому +4

      This is so helpful thank you!

    • @Philrc
      @Philrc Рік тому +3

      The book of Ballymote Leabhar Bhaile an Mhóta is Irish not Welsh. ballymote is a town in Ireland.
      A lot of the other stuff in your comment is wrong to one degree or another but I haven't got the time or inclination to go through it.

    • @Philrc
      @Philrc Рік тому

      @@pbsstoried don't assume things are helpful before you have established whether they're actually true or not. in this case.....not

    • @MCKevin289
      @MCKevin289 Рік тому +3

      As a yank a way to help us with pronouncing ogham is telling us it sounds almost like the first syllable of the word Omaha.

    • @grovermartin6874
      @grovermartin6874 Рік тому

      ​@@Philrc Too bad! Your input would be interesting!

  • @MCKevin289
    @MCKevin289 Рік тому +10

    I passed ogham inscriptions everyday when I studied in Ireland.

  • @GregoryTheGr8ster
    @GregoryTheGr8ster Рік тому +29

    This is a wonderful find! But some of the inscriptions in the photos that you feature in this video appear to be horizontal, not vertical.

    • @lyrablack8621
      @lyrablack8621 Рік тому +5

      Maybe they fell over

    • @pbsstoried
      @pbsstoried  Рік тому +4

      Thanks for letting us know!

    • @HorribleSmileProductions
      @HorribleSmileProductions Рік тому +1

      ​@@lyrablack8621 dum bdmm tsss

    • @GregoryTheGr8ster
      @GregoryTheGr8ster Рік тому +1

      @@lyrablack8621 Now why didn't I think of that?

    • @thomicrisler9855
      @thomicrisler9855 Рік тому +2

      The first image of an inscription they show in this video, and perhaps the one you're referring to as being horizontal, actually appears to be Futhark runes (or something closely related), not Ogham. Futhark was used by various Germanic peoples and indeed was written horizontally.

  • @RumViking73
    @RumViking73 Рік тому +14

    Its early medieval. When you say celts people assume you mean the pre roman iron age. This writing was much later. While the groups that used them may descend from celts is probably not accurate to refer to them as such or youll confuse the differing time periods

    • @_Bont
      @_Bont Рік тому +7

      "Celts" also refers to groups from all over Europe, especially if you add "ancient" before it. Plus I think Ogham was only used to transcribe Old Irish, not Brittonic.

    • @robingoodfellow9171
      @robingoodfellow9171 Рік тому +4

      And they marked pillars and such with it, they did not write down their mythology with it. And wasn't it actually given to them by monks much, much later than the time she is refering to?

  • @silver_wolf96
    @silver_wolf96 Рік тому +11

    I actually didn’t know about the Celtic druids secret tree alphabet. That’s an interesting fact. how did they write in it?

  • @Aloddff
    @Aloddff Рік тому +11

    Saying Ireland Scotland and Britain is like saying Mexico, South Carolina and the United States

    • @dexterpoindexter3583
      @dexterpoindexter3583 Рік тому +1

      @Adam Pickard
      So Wales pairs up with Vermont? Then England could twin Illinois, and the other 47 marry continental Europe. 😄

  • @kimberlymac4ever
    @kimberlymac4ever Рік тому +3

    Wow! I have heard the word, but rarely, and I didn’t remember it being a written alphabet and language. This is exciting! I want to learn the symbols. Thanks for the video!

    • @sineadgiblin2672
      @sineadgiblin2672 Рік тому +1

      Usually pronounced like "ohm" the unit for electrical resistance. Irish pronunciation is very weird compared to English

    • @pbsstoried
      @pbsstoried  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed!!

  • @ellebee4112
    @ellebee4112 Рік тому +3

    There’s actually more of these stones left in Wales more than anywhere else. Although many of the welsh Ogham stones tend to have Latin inscriptions on them too. Why do Americans always forget about Wales or think we’re part of England? Not being argumentative, just curious? The term Celtic doesn’t just refer to Irish history. There were Celts in Wales too.

    • @eddierayvanlynch6133
      @eddierayvanlynch6133 Рік тому +1

      Most Americans:
      "You misspelled Whales"
      😉
      I'm Scots-Irish on my mother's side, and the tiny exposure I got to Welsh, Gaelic, and Scots Gaelic on Duolingo was fascinating.
      Much respect to Wales for keeping the language alive!!! I saw online when the Welsh language was read into the minutes for the first time, and it was a great moment.
      Love from your cousins in the US ❤️🇺🇸

  • @lagerku.3137
    @lagerku.3137 2 місяці тому

    Y'know, I always did think it was weird how few writing systems there are that start from the bottom upward, like how plants start from the ground upward.
    Glad there once was a people who thought the same.

  • @grovermartin6874
    @grovermartin6874 Рік тому +1

    This is intriguing. Can you tell us more about Ogham?

  • @sussybaka5322
    @sussybaka5322 4 місяці тому

    Wow PBS even used skyrim music! That's so darn cool!

  • @R.Merkhet
    @R.Merkhet Рік тому +3

    Very cool naturalist gestalt. Thank you again. I would enjoy a presentation on the benefits of a purely oral language vs a literate one. Would love to have you input(s).

    • @pbsstoried
      @pbsstoried  Рік тому +3

      Yes we’d love to cover this at some point. Very interesting and less talked about discussion!

    • @R.Merkhet
      @R.Merkhet Рік тому +2

      Literally less talked about but ironical that an oral language is more talked with.

    • @sineadgiblin2672
      @sineadgiblin2672 Рік тому

      I think that tradition has been passed down in some ways, the Irish are still great storytellers, well I consider us a bunch of wafflers, but other people seem to enjoy it. 😂

    • @R.Merkhet
      @R.Merkhet Рік тому

      I agree about Irish storytelling. However all cultures have their particular styles and nuances within them. Sometimes it's difficult to appreciate our cultures richness without an outsiders perspective; kind of like how your voice sounds different as you speak as opposed to hearing it from a recording.

    • @sineadgiblin2672
      @sineadgiblin2672 Рік тому

      @richard4991 I totally agree, because as much as I love the storytelling aspect in our culture, I'm very aware how it also makes people exaggerate and add bells and whistles to stories for the effect. But sometimes I just want to know the truth. 😅 its a blessing and a curse and all cultures have their own version I'm sure.

  • @DavidCruickshank
    @DavidCruickshank Рік тому +4

    Remember Britain (Great Britain) is the name of the main island consisting of England, Scotland and Wales. Hence why the full name of the UK is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
    So Ireland and Britain makes sense but Ireland, Scotland and Britain does not.
    Hope this helps 😊

  • @els1f
    @els1f Рік тому

    Written with different types of trees and like how they grow- I love that!😱 We REALLY lost a lot of human expression when people ran around the earth burning down and writing over everything that wasn't a cross or a crescent 😔

    • @Dhdh-cf3mb
      @Dhdh-cf3mb 18 днів тому

      They didn't write over anything in Ireland
      It was against our pagen religion to write. Ogham irish alphabet was only scriptures or symbols never a actual event or recorded history.

  • @ahteshamkhan7572
    @ahteshamkhan7572 Рік тому +2

    4th to the 9th AD

    • @dexterpoindexter3583
      @dexterpoindexter3583 Рік тому

      @ahtesham khan
      Yes, if you believe all history must conform to Christianity.
      Google CE...

    • @ahteshamkhan7572
      @ahteshamkhan7572 Рік тому

      @@dexterpoindexter3583 sir, I believe in Christ (PBUH) not in Christianity .
      I have a question. At which point the common era starts ? and where BCE ends ? what seperate them ?

  • @eriklaroi8
    @eriklaroi8 Рік тому +1

    It’s said ‘oh-wm’

  • @EverythingsComplicated
    @EverythingsComplicated Рік тому +2

    if i recall correctly it is also one of the few (~6) writing systems that was created w/o knowledge about other writing systems

    • @thomicrisler9855
      @thomicrisler9855 Рік тому +1

      Probably not. It's believed they were probably modeled on either Latin or Germanic runes, not in form but in structure/function. Some scholars have even called it a cipher.

  • @cennethadameveson3715
    @cennethadameveson3715 Рік тому +4

    Ireland Scotland and Britain? Thank goodness Wales never associated with this alphabet...

    • @Amy_the_Lizard
      @Amy_the_Lizard Рік тому +3

      Actually there are a few examples that seem to be written in Welsh too...

    • @onlyashes89
      @onlyashes89 2 місяці тому

      I mean, that's just a painfully wrong sentence all-around from the video...

  • @mmbell
    @mmbell Рік тому

    Super interesting

  • @evelynlamoy8483
    @evelynlamoy8483 4 місяці тому

    "figured out"
    Bruh there's books about this alphabet, it was never lost, just not widely used.
    There are different "fonts" presented in that book, and I've combined some of my favorites to create what I think is a far more easily readable ogham. There is a variate called "letter stack" where the slashes don't come from the main line, but from a seperate line branching off of it. This creates a little nook between the main stem and the letters. Another variant renders letters down to dots instead of full slashes. Combining primarily those, the nook becomes a place you can put the dots of the consonant, and you can create a far more compact and easily readable block based on the consonant vowel combinations. I also omit the H of linited letters, stacking it un top of whatever letter it is affecting, making those letters distinct.

  • @historybuff7491
    @historybuff7491 Рік тому

    I love ogham. It is fun to do.

  • @violenceislife1987
    @violenceislife1987 Рік тому

    I have a 20nyr old book about it

  • @tripwire3992
    @tripwire3992 Рік тому

    Lets remember that not just Ireland was celtic, alot of people in the states get that muddled up quite a fair bit

  • @antoin1888
    @antoin1888 6 місяців тому +1

    pronounce it "O-wum"

  • @johnlshilling1446
    @johnlshilling1446 Рік тому

    9th Century AD. The calendar we use is the Gregorian Calendar. It always has divided time into two categories: BC; "Before Christ" and AD; "Anno Domini", (The Year of Our Lord)
    If you find that objectionable, find and use an alternate calendar. You don't get to change the name.
    Imagine the Communists changing the name of our Declaration of Independence to the Capitalist Pig's Terrorist Manifesto...

  • @larrysonnenberg5094
    @larrysonnenberg5094 Рік тому

    There is a lot about Celtic people and our culture that people don’t realize! We are one of the most ancient people groups on the planet and some believe Ireland is the lost city of Atlantis!

  • @oliver7496
    @oliver7496 Рік тому

    damn I didn’t know druids were freaky like that 😅

  • @INeed333Quid
    @INeed333Quid Рік тому +1

    scotland and britain? 🤔
    well clearly you know exactly what you're talking about

  • @Dhdh-cf3mb
    @Dhdh-cf3mb 18 днів тому

    Ireland Scotland and britian? That makes no sense
    Ogham stones are only found in ireland with very little in Scotland

  • @rami_ungar_writer
    @rami_ungar_writer Рік тому +1

    Write in the language of trees? But aren't I writing them on trees? Or the bodies of them?

    • @Amy_the_Lizard
      @Amy_the_Lizard Рік тому +2

      Actually most of the surviving examples are carved into rocks

    • @SimonAyling
      @SimonAyling Рік тому

      ​@@Amy_the_Lizard probably because the trees died and rotted, or were felled for road/rail improvements

  • @keelanmurphy9941
    @keelanmurphy9941 Рік тому

    Ogham rhymes with go-um

  • @accountforcommenting
    @accountforcommenting Рік тому

    Do we know what they said

  • @adamhavelock2104
    @adamhavelock2104 7 місяців тому

    That’s Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales, or just Ireland and Britain.

    • @Dhdh-cf3mb
      @Dhdh-cf3mb 18 днів тому

      No ogham is the irish alphabet it's not in britian
      Very few were found in scottland because the gaels come fro ireland and brought it with them
      Each county in Ireland has a ogham stone they are also found around our sea bed.

  • @septegram
    @septegram Рік тому

    Ogham is pronounced "oh-am;" the "g" is silent.
    And the "tree alphabet" was only one mnemonic for the letters; not something inherent in it. Look at the Auraicept na nEces, or "scholar's primer" to see many other similar mnemonics.
    What on earth did you use for a source for this piece; Robert 🤦‍♂️ Graves?

  • @llwyfen
    @llwyfen 4 місяці тому

    hey so
    this wasn't ancient celts at all, this was goidels
    very important distinction
    if you want to know about an "ancient" celtic writing system maybe look at celtiberian script, it's a lot less unique though

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Рік тому

    Wonderful as a historical artifact. Not nearly as omnipresent or detailed as we would like...

  • @Dhdh-cf3mb
    @Dhdh-cf3mb 18 днів тому

    Its not the celts
    Only irish used ogham text its literally the old irish alphabet not celtic alphabet.

  • @eniej
    @eniej 9 місяців тому

    Ireland, Scotland and Britain isn't a great sentence to be honest

  • @ThomasWall.WW2-1939
    @ThomasWall.WW2-1939 8 місяців тому

    A puca is a ghost

    • @Dhdh-cf3mb
      @Dhdh-cf3mb 18 днів тому

      The puca is a whitch

    • @ThomasWall.WW2-1939
      @ThomasWall.WW2-1939 18 днів тому

      Check google or ask a teacher

    • @ThomasWall.WW2-1939
      @ThomasWall.WW2-1939 18 днів тому

      And a cailleach is a witch

    • @ThomasWall.WW2-1939
      @ThomasWall.WW2-1939 18 днів тому

      Puca is still ghost

    • @Dhdh-cf3mb
      @Dhdh-cf3mb 18 днів тому

      @@ThomasWall.WW2-1939
      I don't need to I'm irish also speak irish I don't need someone telling me my folklore
      The púca is a witch said to be really small and looks like a gremlin
      The púca is a spirit who can cast good luck or bring misfortune
      It can also shape-shift some gaelic legends state the púca as a goat with human legs some say it was a woman
      This is called a banshee which is a púca just like the fairies are púcas

  • @DenizenoftheAges
    @DenizenoftheAges Рік тому +1

    The Irish saved Western Civilization history as we know it.

    • @Egilhelmson
      @Egilhelmson Рік тому

      But not through their use of Ogham, but Greek and/or Latin.

  • @Philrc
    @Philrc Рік тому +1

    You need to learn the correct pronunciation of ogham

  • @lindacravens1359
    @lindacravens1359 Рік тому

    C.E.? Wrong ..
    A.D. shame

  • @kevineastwood-tm2mt
    @kevineastwood-tm2mt Рік тому +3

    Ireland Scotland and Britain???? Hmmm

  • @theriflegodjericho1257
    @theriflegodjericho1257 Рік тому

    ᚛ᚈᚆᚓ ᚂᚑᚏᚐᚊᚄ ᚐᚚᚚᚏᚑᚃᚓᚄ ᚈᚆᚔᚄ ᚋᚓᚄᚄᚐᚌᚓ᚜

  • @semorebutts2584
    @semorebutts2584 4 місяці тому

    Oh-um. And this isnt recent.