Almost NUKING Our 454 with TOO MUCH NITROUS?! But Was It Fast??
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Yeah, definitely enjoyed the video. I was looking forward to seeing Jack black again. Don't give up on it, there is very few big block stuff to watch. We need some variety. The LS stuff is getting old.
No, no it’s not getting old.
Naw anything he uploads is great 😂😤
I hate to be that guy also and say a Holley carb would be nice right now. 😁
So much faster to tune than the Carter/Edlbrock stuff!
Timing curve and total is paramount NA or spray. Get all the mechanical in early, by 2000 Rpms.
Remember every tenth off the 60’ reduces the 1/4 by +- 1.8 times.
12.47 on a 1.72 60’ is a 12.25 on a 1.60 60’.
I’m with you, I still think the truck could run mid 12’s or better NA.
* Purge the nitrous so it hits immediately will help a ton.
There is something way wrong somewhere!! I don't know what you've got going for compression or cam (cam sounds really laidback), or gears, but if everything is hitting right, you should easily see mid to high 11's with that thing "pre" nitrous!! I've run a NA 460 BBC with 12:1 compression, .590 lift, 264 @050, 108 solid lifter cam, factory 781 heads with 2.19/1.88 valves, bowls hogged out, unshrouded valves, and slight porting, 1050 dominator on a Victor Jr. intake, and easily make 580+hp with that thing!! Run a 4500 stall converter, 28" tall slicks with a 4:56 rear gears. In everything around 3200lbs when suspension tuned, should see mid 10's no problem!
Have fun!! Big Blocks ALL day!!!
He's only running factory heads as well and as far as I know stock heads are absolute junk
@@chrishansen7004 Yeah, if he's running peanut ports, they ain't great, that's for sure. And the truck is heavy.
Hey Josh looks like you got papatron an upgrade nice new trailer!!!
The tunnel ram will make a better torque curve and more useable power to get that truck moving. Long runners are your friend , the single plane will hurt it. Personally the engine don't sound happy. Something is off in the tune . I think a good once over and some carb tuning it will be on it's way to great passes
i dont see it being able to move enough air for two carbs, i would like to see this with a single 1050 dominator on a dual plane high rise, raced one like that for yrs, looked like it struggled a few times to just to start a burn out.
Josh you nailed it " sometimes their awesome sometimes they suck " Hot Rods have a mind of their own.
I truly feel your frustration as a diehard OBS racer. nothing is easy
Man I love how this thing is trying to pop a wheelie
I’d look for a single carb Victor intake and a REALLY good 4150 950 carb
Lock out that distributor and set it to atleast 40 degrees
What are the cam specs? LSA ?
Definitely get on the phone with a good converter company. Easy to leave half a second on the table with too tight or too loose of a converter for the combo.
Put holly carburetor on it and it will work
Edlebrock carbs are junk
Hey man put more breathers in the valve covers. Your crankcase is building pressure and isn’t venting that’s why it is blowing the dipstick tube.
I have 4 breathers (Moroso style) and took the foam out so they don’t clog. No more issues.
Also that motor is a pooch. And I don’t mean to be mean. But a 454 tunnel ram setup should have that truck in the 11s all day, on pump gas, N/A.
Don’t turbo LS it! The big block is way cooler.
I work with a well known engine builder and if you are interested in anything about getting it quicker I would love to assist and maybe get him involved! The motor could get some help get you closer to your goal. I Love the jack black content and would love to see it really kick ass!
What we usually do with them when they build too much pressure is weld a tube to the valve covers and another in the collector at an angle and collect them with a hose and use the vacuum from the exhaust to pull vacuum from the engine. Works great
@@SniderTron3000 yeah that would work better actually! Get that scavenge effect from the headers!
My favorite videos are of Jack Black. Consistent moving forward. Love Dads truck
Edelbrocks probably aren't helping lol. Single plane and a 1050 dominator 👌🏻
An 850 would do fine. No need for an 1050. Imo.
Maybe twin turbo the big block when you guys are done with the nitrous game. Be pretty cool to see in Jack Black
If those are vacuum secondary carb you may not be making enough vacuum to open them fully keep digging you will get it
Unity motorsports garage bub. He can help you get some Holley's tuned on there. Dudes a guru and knows his Holley's. First thing is first. Talk to him about what size carbs and your engine. He can direct you on the right path he runs a 70s f100 tunnel ram Windsorengine and can direct you where you need to be FOR SURE! He got some crazy things in the works. Leave them edelbrocks on your street engines.
I'm running an old edelbrock Tarantula single plane on stock unported std valve #781 heads, and a single 4150 carb. Without nitrous on ethier Engine, The Big Block makes my 11second small block look like two plug leads are off until it gets above 6000rpm. Chin up mate. Mine was also slower than my small block to begin with. Iron out the bugs, workout the problems, match the combination, get the tune up right and I'll go fast.
It's all part of the fun once you guys get her dialed in it's going to haul the mail
Is distributor locked out? Maybe it has a real heavy spring so the timing is lazy.? Just a thought
i would probably go with the single plane tunnel rams look cool but have heard they can be finicky, wrong converter can mess things up rather nicely too though, and i have recently wanted to do a big block, always been a small block guy lol.... i do love jack, reason i subscribed...
Not really sure what heads you got but ported vortec heads helps pretty good and can be had for pretty cheap, you reach the flow limits pretty quickly with factory heads, if you want to boogie with a biggie you just have to bite the bullet and get some aftermarket heads they're not like ls's with good heads from the factory and I'd get rid of the dual carbs and just get a single plane intake dual carb single planes are for extreme high end rpms like 8K plus rpms at the minimum and basically needs a cam that just holds the valves open permanently lol, build the motor for the power band and such you want naturally aspirated first then add boost or nitrous
jack blacks probably one of the coolest cars on the channel. dont give up on him!
Like everybody else said ditch the edelbrock carbs and get holleys . you need way more fuel than what you have go up to a -10 fuel line find a used berrygrant 220 gph pump and a nice return style regulator I was running a Holley blue pump on my big block Ford with a single 850 and my fuel pressure was dropping below 3 psi with one carb I imagine your starving for fuel and you might have something In the nitrous lines restricting the flow to 1 side or staggered jets sizes or something this set up has a lot of potential figure out the converter issues and maybe try a different ring and pinion gear set in it and you’ll have a fun truck it just takes time you guys have all winter to figure it out for the spring
My dad always told me everyone would have a big'o intake like that if they made Power
Time to start doing some weight reduction? Check out uncle tonys garage he actually drilled with a step bit holes all over. Pulled the door panels left the window crank only. Bumpers and seats weight alot. Gearing? Jet sizes for fuel and nos? There's alot can be done for next to nothing. Its heavy, if knocked off 300 pounds or more that thing would be consistent low to mid 11's. Its coming together i understand the frustration but its not far off from reaching 11's which is awesome for a truck. Maybe some drag wheels to lighten the truck. Just my thoughts trying to offer any tips i can think od
You need to have those carbs set up for Nitrous before you blow up that new motor. Get back to your engine dyno guy and have him help you tune that motor for pump gas and then for nitrous. Your going to need different jets while running nitrous. 26 degrees of timing should be more ideal for that set up. A separate wet fuel system should be set up for your nitrous. With separate tank and better fuel. There is alot left in that motor for sure. Need to get that tune right. The converter sounds like it's having some issues. 4200 rpm launch isn't really working. Try a 3800 stall converter. Hard to say. I have never tried to race a 4,000 pound vehicle. You also need more rear weight transfer. That's why 4 links are so awesome tuning the suspension on a 4 link for weight transfer and removing twist from a launch is so damn easy.
My favorite truck on youtube... the stretched S10 might be second 😁.
Glad to see Jack Black back again. Definitely my favorite vehicle on your channel. Probably because I own one almost like it.
You guys will get there man. It takes time and patience. Don’t get discouraged . Yea you can go faster with a turbo LS out the gate, but jack black was made for this big block man. Take what you got and make it work. Believe me I know, I’m tempted by a turbo ls swap all the time but once you get them dialed in, you won’t regret anything. I think the issue is in the final gear and the converter. My old square body weighs about as much as this truck. While it’s not an OBS like jack black, it takes a lot of converter to move these down the road. You guys will get there it just takes time and patience.
What jets are you running in the fogger? And what timing? You can't give up on it. That combo should run pretty well. I always pulled 4 degrees per 100 I was hitting it with. Love the content man. Only thing I have ever found more trouble some than a car. Was a woman............ But hey can't live without either
If it were me I'd Mill the heads and put some compression in it and put a roller cam in it. It would wake that thing up a lot.
I agree 100% about the converter
I believe in you guys... Get it sorted out.... The truck as you both feel probably is quicker....
Don't put a single plane on it, that engine doesn't make enough rpm to take advantage of it. You'll lose a whole bunch of torque everywhere to gain nothing. Stick with the tunnel ram.
Tunnel ram is worse on a motor like that. Need a dual plane.
So I did some thinking about your situation, and I had another thought. Exactly what torque converter are you running? Big blocks need an anti-ballon plate in the converter, and the converter absolutely 💯% needs to be nitrous ready or power adder ready if you are gonna spray it. You can somewhat get by with a cheap converter on a small block alot better than you can a big block bc of the added torque. If you are hitting nitrous on a cheap converter not made for nitrous(or just a cheap converter in general), you are doing nothing but slipping the converter and losing mph. This will be evident by increased tranny Temps. If you start a 1/4 mile run on a cold tranny, and it's anywhere close to 200 degrees by the end of the run, then the converter is definitely slipping and causing excessive heat which will kill the tranny in short order. Not sure on what stall speed you are using, but I'd say jack black would be happy with something in 4500-5500 range.
It's not making enough power to balloon a vega converter.
@@jimandskittum I don't believe it is either, but I still think the converter is a big issue. I know that's a heavy truck, but I feel like it should leave the line faster, and be able to put down a much better 60' time than what it currently is. I've personally gone from 1.8 to 1.5 in the 60' on just a converter change. I went from a jegs brand xhd 3500 stall, to a Hughes 5500 stall and it was a night and day difference. Keep in mind this was on a motor that was a Hydraulic roller cam, with a 7000 rpm redline so it still had plenty of potential to be even better. Also, I've been told that whether you use a power adder or not, an anti-ballon converter is a must have if you use a trans brake
@@patrickritenour6935 I had an S10 that had terrible 60' times and ran way more mph with a 350 on pump gas, no nitrous. That motor is flat. You can tell by the way it sounds.
@@jimandskittum if by "flat", you mean more stock than performance oriented, then I would agree. Even the cam thats in it doesn't sound all that radical, which is wierd bc usually that's the first thing someone does is put a giant cam in a stock motor to try to 'make more power'. Either way, it definitely needs a better head put on it. The heads on it are decent as far as stock heads go, but leave alot to be desired when it comes to real performance. As far as your s10 goes, keep in mind that an s10 is 1000 lbs lighter than this truck is so that may have alot to do with it
All you guys need to do is spend more time with the truck to make it what it has the potential to be-it doesn’t need more $ thrown @ it -just time spent going through each system to be certain you’re getting the most from everything you already have-Great content & thank you 👍🏼
Hell my Caprice is about to be the newer version of that Box lol
Finally some j.b
Eh, ish. We've been really slacking on this truck
@@SniderTron3000 love that truck man!
I hate to be that guy but that big block gapped that LS vette. I'd say look at the converter and carbs. I'd trade my turbo ls for that bbc
Hey Josh if there's a autoparts store chain near you they normally offer a lifetime warranty on plugs. I always buy 2 packs for the race car that way I have a back up set and just exchange the old ones when I go back to the parts store.
Glad we still got to see the track action
You'll get it figured out then you should just see how far you can push it on the nitrous
I think a good start would be to shave off some of the weight on the truck. You have all the factory interior in it.
I have a 67 c10 short bed 454 .30 over with a cam stock converter th400 12 bolt 373 posi. It ran na 13.6 @ 99 full exhaust street tires 93 pump gas
truck sounds like its in a bind maybe a looser converter or more gear
Man I’m so glad to see Jack Black back in action but if I’m being honest I really think you got the wrong cam it’s worth the five or 600 bucks it cost to get the right cam for that motor me personally I like bullet Cams
But go to whoever you prefer match the cam to your cubic inch along with what head you have go for a straight motor cam make the nitrous secondary it still will improve and as far as the tunnel ram I would not get rid of it yes it’s easier to tune one carburetor but that tunnel ram makes a lot more power
Also I think those webers are choking it up
But to each their own me and my son or just glad to see Jack Black back in action
Also the two-step you’re right needs to be brought up higher And a higher converter would definitely help being at such a heavy vehicle
You and PapaTron keep up the good work
well this video made my day dont give up on black jack BBC
Ya need a J&S Safeguard knock controller......look them up.....old school but one of the best units ever built
Single carb intake and keep at it you’ll get there
Im sure you probably already know but from seeing those spark plugs usually when a nitrous motor starts eating straps off of plugs, there is too much timing in it and pre ignition going on. I would take a little timing out of it but im sure you know all of this already
Yeah, later on in the video I say that and we backed it down 🤙
If that is truly a 10:1 454 with a 240ish @.050 cam it should run those times on motor all day long. The large oval port heads are not a restriction. They flow plenty for the engine. The 468 that input in my 78 camaro came out of a friend's 78 Trans Am. 3600# it was a 10:1 468 with the shitty small oval port heads (peanut port heads) with a comp 280H hydrolic cam, 2200 stall, holley contender intake (duel plain like an Edelbroc performer intake), holley 850, th400 and 3:42 gears. It ran consistent 12.0 in the ¼ and 7.6 in the ⅛ on pump gas being driven to and from the track (an hour each way). The large oval ports are much better so that should help. I think you are on the right path with the converter though. With a 3000 to 3500 stall is should 60' down in the 1.7 range and run well into the 11's on motor.
Need to go down a couple heat ranges and close the gap up and take 4 degrees off timing out and add a little fuel
Wow!
If there is a wheel (chassis) dyno close by, maybe yall can put the truck on it, should help figure out where its loosing power...
It takes rime and justing here and there try this and that year is almost over so you have all winter to do things to jack
so far this year i have gotten 4 450hp 454 with steel crank heavy rods and pushrods with high flow heads with the 02xx 400r turbo good to 800 hp crate set from 6,000 to 58,000 miles on them for free all running perfect with twin electric pusher fans cooler sets for power steering ,oil and trans coolers with lines 4 row radiator they work great to build or put in a street car i put one in a 68 pu all most have it finished just need interior and final paint do have the dash dun full gauges all factory so far i have 800 in the build been offered 12,000 for it before i did the dash . i get a lot of good rigs for free most are project rigs people move and have to get rid of them or to sell a place some times some real rare rigs and got some supper nice rigs like a 79 chevy cheyenne short box 4x4 full option rig with under 35,000 miles on it in mint condition just needed a new fuel pump to run it was parked in a shop most of its life .with a few other rare rigs that needed restored
You bought a 10k rpm tach, you need to use it all. Forget all of that transbrake nonsense, put a stock converter in it, mat the pedal and drop it into gear.
Cool truck I have a 97 factory black stepside... just cant bring myself to cut it up and make a race truck
Cant help on the Nitrous side of it but for comparison my full interior 56 Chevy with a 476BBC , Comp 292 cam Performer RPM and a 830 DP Holley with slightly ported factory heads on the engine dyno was just under 500hp and did a best of 11.98 at 114 with a DNE5 speed, 3.25 gears and 29" Mickey T Sportman Pros. Frustrating but keep at it - can the guy that put the engine together for you shed any light?
Turbo Big Block . Set of 188 square port heads .
This is my opinion and nothing more, I think an RPM air gap and a perimeter plate system would work very well with your combination, I think the tunnel ram and fogger a little overkill.
I love the race trucks and cars thanks for posting.
How much were you spraying? Was he leaving in 2nd? Or with the trans brake do you need a looser converter. Enjoyed the video, understand your frustration
Twin Ebay 7875's?
That that would be cool
Michigan local? Me as well. Lol
Whats wrong with your truck you ask ... you need to bore and stroke it to a 496 with Good set of pistons with a 250 shot on it
If you don’t have an air fuel on the truck you would definitely benefit from one because it would immediately tell you where your tune is at with your nitrous if you’re running too much nitrous and not enough fuel it’s not going to use the nitrous and an air fuel gauge will tell you that immediately these are all things I’m sure you know but I figured I would put it in a comment just in case and it helps with the algorithm anyhow
Burning the straps off of the plugs is a hint that it might be lean on fuel.
finally a video of my favorite build! is this the last track time of the year?
How much power did it make on the dyno?
What fuel pump do you have for the nitrous?
Get rid of the AutoZone FP regulator
Lock out that distributor and set it to atleast 40 degrees N/A
Get rid of those garbage Edelbrock carbs
Your not picking up any power on spray but your melting shit
Get it to run good N/A 1st
We love jack black 🥺
When is the last time you guys checked the rockers
time to put a wideband in it to read the AFR
by the dyno info from your video and the weather at martin on oct 2nd this is what jack should have ran Your 1/4 Mile ET is 11.39
Your 1/4 Mile MPH is 122.13
Your HP Correction Factor is 1.06
Your Grains of water is 86.14
Your DA (Density Altitude) is 561.16 feet
Your DA (Density Altitude) is 171.04 meters
Your Air Density Index is 94.7 percent I wouldnt spray the truck any more until you get it running closer to its potential on motor just my opinion
I almost burned my car down with the same fuel pressure regulator you have on jack black be careful with it
I know it can haul ass when yall get it right
Put a single carburetor on it 750 or 850 will go a lot faster them edelbrock carburetors killing it
Nitrous LS ftw!!
My 4l60e and won't drift in D but it will shift manually and it has a late delay what you think it could be low trans fluid?
Love y'all videos
Maybe swap the dual 4 barrels for a big single 4 barrel and see if that helps ya
How much hp without nitrous?
Put a 1050 blow thru carb on it an one big ass turbo that's your fix
Man if you ever need help filming, wrenching anything really I'm near metro Airport I'd be willing to come help. I have nothing but free time. Love the content 👌
Turbo time
Bet if Change converter tighter
Get rid of those carbs too!!
Anyone else catch the fwd car with a wheelie bar 🤦♂️ that's just taking rice to a new level
You know nothing about front wheel drive drag racing lol
@@tombowman3058 correction I know nothing about fwd cars
@@dieseldong4781 so the wheelie bar does actually serve a purpose. Weight transfer is still a thing they have to worry about, only when the weight transfers back with a FWD car, it unloads the front tires. The FWD guys set the wheelie bars to load the front suspension, so the car more less rides on the wheelie bars, to help keep traction on the front tires.
To single-plane intake it'll work a lot better with the heads and it will make more power I guarantee this is too much on top of that motor
You need to find someone local that knows nitrous to help ya. That converter is all Kinds of wrong. Get the correct plugs that projected tip plug is all kinds of wrong. It has tons of potential with everything dialed in.
Yeah, we put non projected back in it.
Hey man if it were easy it wouldn’t be fun
Thanks for keeping it real!
More suspension tuning and n/a tuning then hit it with nitrious I think it could go low 11s
So u went to the track with a nitrous setup and no new plugs ? Lol
Get a LQ4 or LQ9 and spray that. Be done. You’ll have way less headache and be faster. Unpopular opinion comment. 😂
sounds like it needs some lower gears
Love the content!
Cars are annoying, we went from 200 to 300 shot and gained nothing??? Our plugs did not look like that though thank god lol.
Did they really have a wheelie bar on a front wheel drive lol
I was hoping that thing would make a good pass, I wanted to see it lol but they had troubles
it's more chassis than a ' Wheelie bar " because they strip them down to a shell of a car it
keeps the car from buckling in the middle.. yes this was meant to poke fun at FWD cars
Get the large ovals worked