2024 Kawasaki Brute Force 750 Detailed ATV Overview

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  • @andrewsbbq
    @andrewsbbq 8 місяців тому +34

    Would love to see some head to heads. Outlander 700, brute force 750, Cforce 600, Grizzly, KQ 750
    I know it’s a lot to get all those bikes together. But would be a great mid bore showdown. Could maybe do a series and have a ranking breakdown, then a summary video to reiterate each and ‘crown’ a winner

    • @Zukrider13
      @Zukrider13 8 місяців тому +2

      I agree, add in the arctic cat 600 & Kodiak 700 for a shootout as well

    • @Gm0Prim0
      @Gm0Prim0 8 місяців тому +5

      Poor Honda 😢

    • @andrewsbbq
      @andrewsbbq 8 місяців тому +4

      @@Gm0Prim0 their fault for not offering a serious Rincon in a decade. I have an ’05 500 Foreman and a ‘93 Fourtrax and both are impeccable tanks , but they really need to modernize the entire range of quads

    • @andrewsbbq
      @andrewsbbq 8 місяців тому +1

      @@Zukrider13 meh Kodiak and Grizzly are close enough. Same with the outlander 700 and Pro HD7

    • @oldephraimpowersports
      @oldephraimpowersports 8 місяців тому +2

      The Suzuki KingQuad 750 needs to be n this comparison. It’s a little quicker than some of these, good torque, great value, extremely reliable, smoothest clutch. People tend to overlook the KingQuad.

  • @jellehesselink4011
    @jellehesselink4011 8 місяців тому +6

    I always have a blast riding my brute force. Very well refined, good power and even better sound. Ergonomically the best quad for tall riders in my opinion. More suspension travel would make this the perfect machine.

  • @patrickalbertson2768
    @patrickalbertson2768 8 місяців тому +17

    An LE should come with a winch. IMHO. They made steps in the right direction. Great power from the motor. Great video

    • @andrewsbbq
      @andrewsbbq 8 місяців тому +5

      Yea at that price it definitely should

    • @Infamouscoma885
      @Infamouscoma885 8 місяців тому

      They didn’t do anything other then chance the plastics lol it’s the same exact atv

    • @JP_Fishing506
      @JP_Fishing506 8 місяців тому

      At least tires 😂

    • @brianscarpone5296
      @brianscarpone5296 6 місяців тому +1

      I have owed and really like the Kawasaki Prairies. 650 and 700. The brute force is nice but the chassis is extremely outdated. They need to do a revamp on the chassis.

  • @daveodo4315
    @daveodo4315 7 місяців тому +11

    All ATVs should come with a factory winch. Especially something that says LE.

  • @joekearney
    @joekearney 8 місяців тому +3

    I’ve had a 2006 BF 650i, 2009 BF 750, 2012 BF 750. I’ll always have a soft spot for brutes in my heart . Yes they sorely need a chassis /Hp / suspension upgrade but honestly they’re still fantastic bang for the buck machines .
    I will say however Can Am did a fantastic job on the new Outlander 500/700s. Since the brutes I’ve had a Sportsman 1000, KQ 750, Grizzly 700, and now Outlander XT 1000R.
    We recently upgraded our boys to a new KQ 400 and Outlander 500. Literally the only thing I can’t give a 10/10 on the new outlander 500 is durability simply cause they’re new and we just don’t know yet . Handling is fantastic and the drivetrain is QUIET like a Japanese machine ! It’s SUPER comfortable and the seat is like a cloud . It’s honestly more comfortable than my 1000R outlander . And they routed everything up in front of the front cowling /instrument panel . They’re impressive .
    Great video of a classic machine I love Luke .

  • @joeyholthusen6495
    @joeyholthusen6495 8 місяців тому +29

    What I love about Japanese atvs is they aren't 55 inches wide and they don't weigh 900 pounds. Curb weight is around 732 pounds. Yamaha Kodiak 700 is 659 pounds, grizzly 700 is about 702 pounds and suzuki kq750 is 732 pounds approximately

    • @chrish8229
      @chrish8229 8 місяців тому +4

      For real can am 700xt is a heavy machine

    • @joeyholthusen6495
      @joeyholthusen6495 8 місяців тому +4

      @@chrish8229 it's 893 pounds dry, and we'll over 900 pounds with fluids.

    • @kalebbrown93
      @kalebbrown93 8 місяців тому +4

      That's what I can't forgive can am for. A 900 lb single. It needs all that suspension travel when it weighs 200lbs more than everyone else.

    • @davidkanalos6710
      @davidkanalos6710 8 місяців тому +2

      It's because they are made with thinner tubing and not as Durable

    • @Dusdaddy
      @Dusdaddy 8 місяців тому +5

      On paper. Once you option them out, the weight is not that different. My Grizz fully fueled with 27" tires weighs 930lbs. Very close to my Outlander.

  • @brandon65678
    @brandon65678 8 місяців тому +7

    This redesign made me want a brute force again

  • @euanmclapperton2451
    @euanmclapperton2451 8 місяців тому +15

    They have brought it right up to date, now matching all other manufacturers 2015 models 😂

    • @pajamatime5750
      @pajamatime5750 8 місяців тому +2

      It’ll still outlast other manufacturers!

  • @clintonfreeman7047
    @clintonfreeman7047 3 місяці тому +1

    I watch videos of dirt trax at work all the time and its awesome to see them riding one of the best atvs on the market i drive. Spot on with the Suspension. Ive got elka stage 1s on mine. Its a game changer with just the stage 1s going over 15mph.

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  3 місяці тому

      Awesome!! Appreciate you watching!!

  • @scottdarichuk1436
    @scottdarichuk1436 4 місяці тому +1

    I still love my old 2012 brute. When i get on my friend's outlaw 1000, it feels enormous.

  • @craigswanson7478
    @craigswanson7478 8 місяців тому +4

    They should’ve added a trim level that came with Elka or fox shocks. Thanks for the review. I still watch your 2012 review now and then!!

  • @matthewm3912
    @matthewm3912 8 місяців тому +15

    And people wonder why CF-moto is killing it...

  • @mikeruffo6462
    @mikeruffo6462 8 місяців тому +2

    Glad they are still in the atv game. Wish they would have done more than some visual upgrades though.

  • @michaelb5622
    @michaelb5622 8 місяців тому +15

    The fact that Kawasaki only makes this and a 300 for adult quads is depressing. Not everyone wants a $25k+ SxS.

  • @EC_ATV_Outdoors
    @EC_ATV_Outdoors 8 місяців тому +2

    It's nice to see the composite racks. They are just better for stability.
    I'm no fan of Bungie's and ratchet straps. It would be nice to see them add a quick attach system.
    It would also be nice if there became an industry standard quick attach, but that's a pipe dream.

  • @ranger6x660
    @ranger6x660 7 місяців тому +1

    The only negative about the BF is the suspension. Slow rock crawling or trail riding might be ok but the motor is made to run but is held back by the suspension.
    Make it 10" of travel with a good shock and spring package and Kawasaki has a huge winner in my opinion.

  • @dougmatheny854
    @dougmatheny854 10 днів тому

    For the kind of riding we do in Ky {creeks, corn fields & woods) the Brute Force 750 has more than enough power! it will top out at 65 mph plus on a flat straight away. I do wish they would have upgraded the suspension though and a winch should come standard . i agree totally with your evaluation. Thanks for the content

  • @ilevilminko4642
    @ilevilminko4642 8 місяців тому +3

    I like it, had older model for few years. Those tires look just like in my '24 Kodiak. Good grip, but not great for harder trails.

  • @DoubleADay
    @DoubleADay 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm wondering if the steering pod will fit on previous models. I have a 2023 fractured camo

  • @AaronsAnglingAdventures
    @AaronsAnglingAdventures 4 місяці тому +1

    Can you show how to get at the battery so a battery tender can be hooked up?

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  3 місяці тому

      Pretty sure the battery is under the seat. Just lift the tab at the back of the seat and it pops off so you can access the battery.

  • @brandvilla6592
    @brandvilla6592 Місяць тому +1

    I just picked up a brand new 2024 LE today

  • @KTT1985
    @KTT1985 4 місяці тому +1

    My girl just got the one you thinks way cooler lol. The 2024 kawasaki brute force eps le camo. It rides so nice. One issue is it's clicking no clue but the dealers fixing it no problem so. We love it

  • @mrfuzz69
    @mrfuzz69 8 місяців тому +2

    I would love to see some reviews on segway ATVs / side by sides, we just bought one from protech powersports in Sudbury Ontario and so far it's great! Very comparable to cf moto, lots of add ons from the factory and under 10 grand

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  7 місяців тому

      Will see if we can get our hands on one this season!

  • @richarddevaottien7724
    @richarddevaottien7724 8 місяців тому +1

    Luke, take zinc before going high altitude and you won't get breathless. Red/purple, dry lips indicate zinc deficiency. Zinc deficient guys are hyper altitude sensitive and get headaches/migraines and insomnia. Nice review😊

  • @qjason508
    @qjason508 4 місяці тому +1

    Can’t wait to see the 450 video coming out

  • @ChevroletTough
    @ChevroletTough 8 місяців тому +1

    The BF 750 is a solid engine. I wish they didn’t make it look like a Polaris. My wife has a 2019 and previous a 2008. Both super easy to work on.

  • @ronlawson5819
    @ronlawson5819 8 місяців тому +1

    Kudos to Kawasaki for investing in the ATY market…..not to mention it looks great

  • @Morpheen999
    @Morpheen999 8 місяців тому +4

    Update the suspension and make it an 850, it would sell like hot cakes..

  • @nortonashburn5677
    @nortonashburn5677 8 місяців тому +1

    Does it have a wet clutch like Yamaha?

  • @joshpierzina7648
    @joshpierzina7648 8 місяців тому +1

    it's a much needed update, I would consider one, but I'm not I big fan of the front diff lock lever. I think they missed the opportunity to make this a proper update by upgrading the suspension and maybe bumping that displacement up to an 850.

  • @JerryEgberink
    @JerryEgberink 8 місяців тому +2

    In your opinion, 2024 Kawasaki Brute Force 750 or 2024 Suzuki Kingquad 750? I love them both.. don’t know which one to buy

    • @wyattlepage
      @wyattlepage 6 місяців тому

      Imo Suzuki has the best fit and finish of all the major brands, and I'd say the KQ is probably ever so slightly more reliable than the BF. That being said, the low end power of the Brute is second to none compared to its Japanese counterparts. The seat and the racks on the BF are bigger, they both have about the same amount of storage with the KQ possibly having slightly more. The KQ has the superior diff lock mechanism but the lever on the BF isn't terrible.
      Sorry for such a long response lol, honestly they are probably the two most similar quads on the market and you can't go wrong with either but the best advice I could give you is to check them both out and hopefully test drive them. I was almost dead set on getting a 2023 KQ750 but as soon as I test drove the 2023 BF750, I had to get it with the amount of torque it's got alongside the deep exhaust tone. Hope this helps!

    • @scottdarichuk1436
      @scottdarichuk1436 4 місяці тому

      ​@wyattlepage I had a 2008 king quad before my 2012 brute. I fell in love with the low end grunt and dry clutch feel of rhe brute....and I'm still on my original belt with 27" outlaws.

    • @Marmaduke00
      @Marmaduke00 20 днів тому

      @@wyattlepageis the whining and heat by legs annoying yet? Im strongly considering the KQ750 over the BF but still not sure. I know its a bit slower but everything else seems to be better on KQ

    • @wyattlepage
      @wyattlepage 20 днів тому +1

      @Marmaduke00 The whining isn't in my opinion. It kind of sounds like a supercharger 😂😂. The heat on the left side is kind of frustrating, nice during the winter but that's about it lol. It caused the boot on my waders to separate, I definitely wasn't impressed about that lol. If you get the ecu reflashed it'll fix that for you!
      Honestly you can't go wrong with either of them, if you want pure power get the Kawa, if you want a slightly more reliable machine that's also got better fit and finish along with better styling, get the Suzuki, otherwise I'd say they are extremely similar

    • @Marmaduke00
      @Marmaduke00 20 днів тому

      @@wyattlepage thanks! I think I’ll go with the KQ.

  • @EC_ATV_Outdoors
    @EC_ATV_Outdoors 8 місяців тому +3

    Those look like the stock CST's that Polaris uses too.
    My suggestion, they wear out prematurely, swap them asap. My 3 broken ribs, shoulder blade, and punctured lung, should be a warning.
    Not much riding. And the tires were within the 50% - 60% tread life. When a front tire failed.
    And if you think, "he was probably going fast", a tree still breaks you at 25kmh.

    • @musicman6887
      @musicman6887 8 місяців тому

      Sounds like a manufacturing defect

    • @EC_ATV_Outdoors
      @EC_ATV_Outdoors 8 місяців тому

      @@musicman6887 definitely didn't give me the warm and fuzzies. They wear fast like the King Quads stock Carlisle 489's, but at least those held up with 6 plugs in one tire.
      These had zero plugs and failed. I'd hope it was a one off, because aside from healing/sleeping in a recliner for 6 weeks, I missed an entire season of riding.

  • @RichardLieurance-g5e
    @RichardLieurance-g5e 2 місяці тому

    Why did you not address the fact that the coolant container is behind the wheel. Is there a metal container that can replace it? Because it needs to

  • @EC_ATV_Outdoors
    @EC_ATV_Outdoors 8 місяців тому +2

    Maybe hour A and B is one for maintenance and one for trip 🤷🏽

  • @Dusdaddy
    @Dusdaddy 8 місяців тому +2

    Overall, Kawasaki makes a fine machine but they gotta move forward. The only thing they have going for them is a good solid motor and that isn't enough anymore unless you are a Honda. $12K for an LE, with no winch? Luke was right: it needs better suspension, hitch, Diff-lock, and options for LE trim. I don't care for the flat racks because you look limited to where you can mount gun yokes. Which is also why the light pod needs to have its own switch so you can load the front rack.

  • @michaelmartin2912
    @michaelmartin2912 8 місяців тому +4

    We need new sport quad from all the manufacturers

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  8 місяців тому

      Would be awesome to see sport quads make a comeback. With rising prices of sxs it would be the perfect time.

  • @jeffbauder554
    @jeffbauder554 Місяць тому

    I am thinking about retiring my 2002 kawasaki 650 Prairie, but it just keeps running!

  • @larrypitts7617
    @larrypitts7617 6 місяців тому

    Hey Kawasaki, please upgrade your cooling system!!! I'm tired of my 2020 750 overheating when it's above 70 degrees out!!

  • @jonsatvoutdoorchannel6686
    @jonsatvoutdoorchannel6686 8 місяців тому +2

    Are y'all gonna have anything video related to Yamaha's new patent dirt wheels revealed about a possible new more powerful atv? Maybe a new Grizzly results from this at some point?

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  8 місяців тому

      We probably won't cover patent drawings but if that not comes to market, we will cover the heck out of it.

  • @dskofich
    @dskofich 8 місяців тому

    What are the rectanglle holes in the racks for

    • @sph6743
      @sph6743 8 місяців тому +1

      KQR mount points

    • @dskofich
      @dskofich 8 місяців тому

      @@sph6743 ty

  • @redbrother
    @redbrother 6 місяців тому

    The brakes on these are really nice if you like seprate adjustments for the front brake lever rear brake lever and foot brake lever. Anyone thinking another quad less than 850cc is comparable in power to a brute force is high.

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  6 місяців тому

      Agree with you on power, but disagree on the brakes. The front discs are nice, but the rear wet brake needs to go. It is not effective enough even after taking the time to make adjustments to it.

  • @cfraser650
    @cfraser650 8 місяців тому +2

    I can't believe they haven't changed anything on them since the beginning of making them except adding fuel injection. We have one and my wife loves it but they are so far behind.

  • @sph6743
    @sph6743 8 місяців тому +1

    All it really needs is more suspension, perhaps aftermarket companies or kawasaki will release a suspension upgrade with arms and shocks.

  • @BigBadJohnDiesel
    @BigBadJohnDiesel 7 місяців тому +1

    Reminds me of a King Quad, which isnt a bad thing.

  • @johnkoko
    @johnkoko 8 місяців тому +1

    I had these same wheels when I bought my 2008 brand new when they were first offered with power steering. Suspension makes this a pass

  • @knightimusprime25
    @knightimusprime25 8 місяців тому +1

    those tires are cst wild thangs

    • @yellow599rider
      @yellow599rider 8 місяців тому

      Looks more like the c9313/c9314. Not aggressive enough to be the wild thang.

  • @Marmaduke00
    @Marmaduke00 20 днів тому +1

    Thinking king quad over this brute force. Want to stick with 700-750. Hate the whine the BF makes and heat

  • @qjason508
    @qjason508 7 місяців тому

    I’m still waiting for them to come out with a 400/500 ATV in the future .

  • @erichemmelgarn4623
    @erichemmelgarn4623 8 місяців тому +1

    Hey Kawasaki, make a new 450r sport quad!

  • @jeffdeal1162
    @jeffdeal1162 8 місяців тому +1

    No real upgrades and no real advantage over the grizzly/kodiak aside from double the amount of things that can break in the motor. Coming from a Brute owner - it's always in the shop! Of course they're more fun when they do run.

  • @GYPSY400
    @GYPSY400 8 місяців тому +4

    If a CF moto mated with a Sportsman.....

    • @deenice513
      @deenice513 6 місяців тому +1

      Same thing I was thinking

  • @louisjohnsonjr.4934
    @louisjohnsonjr.4934 8 місяців тому +5

    Long story short it's a 13 year old atv with new plastics. And thats all it is no matter how you slice it. Just sad!!😂

  • @christophernoe5367
    @christophernoe5367 8 місяців тому +1

    Glad they kept the mechanical side of things the same. No need for it to become a bloated behemoth like many others on the market right now.

  • @Firebird400
    @Firebird400 2 місяці тому

    I owned a 2018 bf and it was the worst experience I ever had . Drove away on its own multiple times because it would randomly rev up enough to engage the clutch. Dealership couldn’t figure it out and Kawasaki cs was terrible. I’d never touch another one.

  • @AusJackal
    @AusJackal 8 місяців тому

    It's very Sportsman-ish.. not that, that's a bad thing.. colors, no.. wheels, yes, tires, no.. not a fan of white accent lights, plus if you can add them, you can add turn signals.. put the left fender compartment on both sides.. and I do like the brake levers... Polaris take note..

  • @SuperDave-pe1zw
    @SuperDave-pe1zw 4 місяці тому

    Maybe if Yamaha opened up their plastic like this they wouldn't have so much engine heat... 🤔 or maybe you feel it more with the open plastic like that.

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  4 місяці тому

      My Grizzlies never ran hot.

    • @SuperDave-pe1zw
      @SuperDave-pe1zw 4 місяці тому +1

      @dirttraxtv mine doesn't run hot, but it's at 207 a bunch here in Oklahoma where it's 100 degrees plus. lol

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  4 місяці тому

      Oh that's some hot weather to ride in. Bless your heart and stay hydrated!!

  • @justinmochi7323
    @justinmochi7323 8 місяців тому +1

    Hopefully this new platform will get fleshed out with winches, bigger tires, two up, etc. Japanese oems have gotten extraordinarily lazy while North America and China have done nothing but improve their designs.

  • @Infamouscoma885
    @Infamouscoma885 8 місяців тому

    It’s the same exact atv just different plastics. It’s a joke and they just took everything everyone wanted and laughed at it. We want a full redesign or a 1000 already! The 750 is already a beast but we want to see how a 1000cc would perform!

  • @gravytrainoutdoors
    @gravytrainoutdoors 8 місяців тому

    CST tires… stands for Chinese sourced tires!

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  7 місяців тому +1

      Off-roaders want cheaper prices. This is how you get cheaper prices.

    • @gravytrainoutdoors
      @gravytrainoutdoors 7 місяців тому

      @@dirttraxtv honestly, a lot of the offshore tires are pretty decent. I have run lots on my trucks.

  • @louisjohnsonjr.4934
    @louisjohnsonjr.4934 8 місяців тому +1

    Honestly I think kawasaki just used this little touch up to buy more time for coming up with a bigger better brute force. Could be wrong but thats what I been hoping is happening because I really been waiting for a very long time for the entry of a new new!!!! Brute force 1k or at least 850 or something!! They have been such a let down on coming out with new updates to their units even when they have millions that love their units. Maybe one day they'll give the masses what they really are looking for!!! Smh

  • @AKLumps907
    @AKLumps907 3 місяці тому

    2023 looked better.

  • @EC_ATV_Outdoors
    @EC_ATV_Outdoors 8 місяців тому

    Lol, they need a 2" receiver 😂😂😂 1 million people have told Polaris that, and they love touting their engineering, and ignore that suggestion.
    Maybe Kawasaki listen better.

  • @rileymcfadden6382
    @rileymcfadden6382 6 місяців тому +1

    This couldn’t feel anymore half assed

  • @off-roadnpew2183
    @off-roadnpew2183 8 місяців тому +2

    Nothing should be changed about it

  • @joelsalmond1788
    @joelsalmond1788 5 місяців тому

    I will never buy a Kawasaki again, bought a 07 750 spent weeks trying to get to run properly, eventually decided to run it missing and sputtering with bad starting. After 300 kms engine started knocking. Brass in the oil so I tore it down. Mag side crankshaft plain bearing had slide outwards and blocked off the oil passages to the crankshaft, con rods, and rear camshaft. Plain bearing can only be replaced by buying a complete crankcase according to Kawasaki and no way to prevent or monitor if its happening again. Oil system has too many fail points like o rings and the oil to the front cylinder bypasses the oil filter allowing a path of least resistance so front cylinder gets alot of oil and the rest of the engine doesn't get enough. Thats one of 20 reasons I wont be buying anything made by Kawasaki.

    • @dirttraxtv
      @dirttraxtv  5 місяців тому

      What did end up getting instead?

    • @joelsalmond1788
      @joelsalmond1788 5 місяців тому

      Well after buying the quad and then putting 4 grand in parts into the kawi… buying a new one is not happening right away but I am saving my pennies and at the moment Im leaning towards a hd7 hunting edition, seems like good bang for the buck.

    • @joelsalmond1788
      @joelsalmond1788 5 місяців тому

      I should have mentioned I bought the bike used in 2021 with 2400 kms on the gauge.

  • @tomg6284
    @tomg6284 8 місяців тому

    Lip stick on a pig. Should have a proper hardware update. That diff lock is foolish . No 2" reciver, just nuts.
    What disconnect from what the market wants.

  • @fedbleer9649
    @fedbleer9649 7 місяців тому +1

    Whell, this is not that we expected from kawasaki🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
    This is a failure!!!

  • @lawsonlandry3877
    @lawsonlandry3877 8 місяців тому

    suspension is so bad on them

  • @deporbs
    @deporbs 8 місяців тому

    Still no front or rear bumpers, still kid size wheels/tires, still that fuck`n stupid diff lever, still no winch. Pathetic. Its like 1990, not 2024.

  • @nseric1233
    @nseric1233 8 місяців тому

    You have seriously low standards if you think the brute force is durable or long lasting.
    They dont sell locally, everyone knows they break all the time. King quads out sell them 10 to 1 and for good reason, king quads last a long time, they actually are durable and long lasting lol.

    • @pajamatime5750
      @pajamatime5750 8 місяців тому +4

      People talking out of their a$$ in the UA-cam comment section is a comment occurrence - you’ve just proved that!! The Brute Force is an extremely reliable machine. Kawi builds reliable vehicles - there’s no doubt about that. I’ve owned them. I’ve owned Kingquads too. There was nothing wrong with them but to say Kawis are not reliable is just insanity.

    • @nseric1233
      @nseric1233 8 місяців тому

      @@pajamatime5750 I owned one, my neighbor had one, a few of my other friends had them, had being the key word. They dont hold up like the other Japanese atvs full stop.

    • @Six_Point
      @Six_Point 8 місяців тому +1

      Buying my third brute next month. Sold one to a family member and still have the other. I don’t baby them at all, they’ve held up great and easy to work on. No idea what you would consider unreliable ?

    • @reidzr2s10
      @reidzr2s10 6 місяців тому

      @@nseric1233you have displayed your ignorance well my friend. Good job! I have a 2017 BF 750, it’s been a very reliable ATV and I have no regrets purchasing the Brute Force.

    • @nseric1233
      @nseric1233 6 місяців тому

      @@reidzr2s10 I have a different opinion than you, I must be ignorant lol.
      It's muddy as hell by my place and we use our atvs hard, the brutes dont hold up.