Speaking of Pan, did you know that Pan died during reign of Tiberius? I'm not making that up. Plutarch reports it as a historical event. "And as to their mortality, I have heard it reported from a person that was neither fool nor knave, being Epitherses, the father of Aemilianus the orator, whom some of you have heard declaim. This Epitherses was my townsman and a school-master, who told me that, designing a voyage to Italy, he embarked himself on a vessel well laden both with goods and passengers. About the evening the vessel was becalmed about the Isles Echinades, whereupon their ship drove with the tide till it was carried near the Isles of Paxi; when immediately a voice was heard by most of the passengers (who were then awake, and taking a cup after supper) calling unto one Thamus, and that with so loud a voice as made all the company amazed; which Thamus was a mariner of Egypt, whose name was scarcely known in the ship. He returned no answer to the first calls; but at the third he replied, Here ! here! I am the man. Then the voice said aloud to him, When you are arrived at Palodes, take care to make it known that the great God Pan is dead. Epitherses told us, this voice did much astonish all that heard it, and caused much arguing whether this voice was to be obeyed or slighted. Thamus, for his part, was resolved, if the wind permitted, to sail by the place without saying a word; but if the wind ceased and there ensued a calm, to speak and cry out as loud as he was able what he was enjoined. Being come to Palodes, there was no wind stirring, and the sea was as smooth as glass. Whereupon Thamus standing on the deck, with his face towards the land, uttered with a loud voice his message, saying, The great Pan is dead. He had no sooner said this, but they heard a dreadful noise, not only of one, but of several, who, to their thinking, groaned and lamented with a kind of astonishment. And there being many persons in the ship, an account of this [p. 24] was soon spread over Rome, which made Tiberius the Emperor send for Thamus; and he seemed to give such heed to what he told him, that he earnestly enquired who this Pan was; and the learned men about him gave in their judgments, that it was the son of Mercury by Penelope. There were some then in the company who declared they had heard old Aemilianus say as much." Plutarch, *De defectu oraculorum 17* What's odd about the death of Pan is that he's the only god who ever dies and does NOT come back to life. He stayed dead. It seems to have a been a eral historical event that people across the Empire heard that Pan had died, and they mourned it publicly. later Christian apologists tried to say the voice from sky had really been talking about Jesus. That voice from the sky had multiple eyewitnesses. Funny how apologists never think that matters outside the Bible.
@@amyeck3870 You also like it too ... Well I think more of us telling how we apprecite this ultra long format, it will give the cue at Neil, to edited more😁
@@Lord.Ningirsu he also put out a 7 hr video that’s awesome! When he puts them out I automatically save to my watch later. I watch/listen during the day while working, cleaning, painting, beading and then listen again at night to go to sleep to. Derek from Mythvision is starting to put out content that I highly recommend to do the same! I sleep so good now!❤️
I thought Hermes invented the Lyre and gifted it to Apollo? I know there are many variations in myth but that’s a fairly crucial point in the Hermes genesis myth
So you have ancient cthonic and olympian dieties and you show how they morph into newer dieties referenced in biblical texts. Is your conclusion that Lucifer is really a combination of apollo/dionysus? That the confusion of lucifer by abrahmic religions encourages manichiaen dualism and maintains the saturnian system of control? Hence, understanding the unified nature of lucifer is to move beyond good and evil, and to acknowledge that saturn is the archonic god underlying everything? I understand the associations you're making but you don't clearly state your thesis after bringing in the scapegoat, so I'm assuming this is where you were going with things.
There are many stories and different establishments would have stories which serve their purposes be they noble, fanciful or tyrannical. It is a good idea to spread sheet the stories, locations of beliefs, and times of different beliefs. Many linguistic maps offer clues to the changing perspectives and paradigms of the Peoples.
I dont think you should conflate Saturn and Chronos, Saturn was the most important Roman god while Chronos is more of a footnote, those myths are about Chronos and they obscure the true significance of Saturn
i agree but i just keep learning and listening and its starting to make more and more sense. Except Dr, Ammon im still trying to get him, havent gave up yet!!
Speaking of Pan, did you know that Pan died during reign of Tiberius? I'm not making that up. Plutarch reports it as a historical event.
"And as to their mortality, I have heard it reported from a person that was neither fool nor knave, being Epitherses, the father of Aemilianus the orator, whom some of you have heard declaim. This Epitherses was my townsman and a school-master, who told me that, designing a voyage to Italy, he embarked himself on a vessel well laden both with goods and passengers. About the evening the vessel was becalmed about the Isles Echinades, whereupon their ship drove with the tide till it was carried near the Isles of Paxi; when immediately a voice was heard by most of the passengers (who were then awake, and taking a cup after supper) calling unto one Thamus, and that with so loud a voice as made all the company amazed; which Thamus was a mariner of Egypt, whose name was scarcely known in the ship. He returned no answer to the first calls; but at the third he replied, Here ! here! I am the man. Then the voice said aloud to him, When you are arrived at Palodes, take care to make it known that the great God Pan is dead. Epitherses told us, this voice did much astonish all that heard it, and caused much arguing whether this voice was to be obeyed or slighted. Thamus, for his part, was resolved, if the wind permitted, to sail by the place without saying a word; but if the wind ceased and there ensued a calm, to speak and cry out as loud as he was able what he was enjoined. Being come to Palodes, there was no wind stirring, and the sea was as smooth as glass. Whereupon Thamus standing on the deck, with his face towards the land, uttered with a loud voice his message, saying, The great Pan is dead. He had no sooner said this, but they heard a dreadful noise, not only of one, but of several, who, to their thinking, groaned and lamented with a kind of astonishment. And there being many persons in the ship, an account of this [p. 24] was soon spread over Rome, which made Tiberius the Emperor send for Thamus; and he seemed to give such heed to what he told him, that he earnestly enquired who this Pan was; and the learned men about him gave in their judgments, that it was the son of Mercury by Penelope. There were some then in the company who declared they had heard old Aemilianus say as much."
Plutarch, *De defectu oraculorum 17*
What's odd about the death of Pan is that he's the only god who ever dies and does NOT come back to life. He stayed dead. It seems to have a been a eral historical event that people across the Empire heard that Pan had died, and they mourned it publicly. later Christian apologists tried to say the voice from sky had really been talking about Jesus.
That voice from the sky had multiple eyewitnesses. Funny how apologists never think that matters outside the Bible.
Hopefully he comes back with the rise of the neo paganism...
This has helped me out a lot with Dr. Ammon.
Samael is a good band. Give them a listen.
18:23 The one in the middle looks like she's about to rip the mic off the mic stand and rock.
I love your readings! If you put them all together in one long video I’d totally listen every night while falling asleep. Hint hint!lol
also...HINT HINT :)
Neil have already a 11h long non stop pure enjoyment knowledge about the anciens civilisation,
their culture and their myths.
@@Lord.Ningirsu he has and it’s AMAZING!
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You also like it too ... Well I think more of us telling how we apprecite this ultra long format, it will give the cue at Neil, to edited more😁
@@Lord.Ningirsu he also put out a 7 hr video that’s awesome! When he puts them out I automatically save to my watch later. I watch/listen during the day while working, cleaning, painting, beading and then listen again at night to go to sleep to. Derek from Mythvision is starting to put out content that I highly recommend to do the same! I sleep so good now!❤️
Thank you
What do you think of the fish over venus head? I'm reading a book about fish and anchors. Pertaining to christianity.
Fish can only see from one side a fish symbolises seeing things only one way.
Belief.
Cooking 🔥💥💯
Saturn is the god of the Jews..Moshe Ideal wrote a book called: The Saturn Jews...
Yep, "Is-Ra-El"? Their name implies a question if the Egyptian God Ra is God?
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my head just exploded. Thanks for that
@@findmylostsheepExcept that "is" is an English word. So while it's an interesting find, it obviously doesn't actually mean that.
It's that where baby back ribs comes from
Hmm sounds strangely familiar….. there is nothing new under the sun.
I too feel that certain angel/gods helped humans survive through the ages. Not all bad, and not all good!
I need some kind of flow chart for all these stories
The scapegoat.....😮
If 12:07 is an authentic ancient statue, that's about all you need to know about Pan.
Isn't there a story about the stone of destiny = the stone that was swallowed by Cronus?
I thought Hermes invented the Lyre and gifted it to Apollo?
I know there are many variations in myth but that’s a fairly crucial point in the Hermes genesis myth
Rebellion is likened to witchcraft
So you have ancient cthonic and olympian dieties and you show how they morph into newer dieties referenced in biblical texts. Is your conclusion that Lucifer is really a combination of apollo/dionysus? That the confusion of lucifer by abrahmic religions encourages manichiaen dualism and maintains the saturnian system of control?
Hence, understanding the unified nature of lucifer is to move beyond good and evil, and to acknowledge that saturn is the archonic god underlying everything?
I understand the associations you're making but you don't clearly state your thesis after bringing in the scapegoat, so I'm assuming this is where you were going with things.
I thought Kronos was forced to rule Tartarus, basically a void of hell.
There are many stories and different establishments would have stories which serve their purposes be they noble, fanciful or tyrannical.
It is a good idea to spread sheet the stories, locations of beliefs, and times of different beliefs. Many linguistic maps offer clues to the changing perspectives and paradigms of the Peoples.
I understand that the serpent in the Garden of Eden opposed Satan (Yahweh) not God.
Κρόνος is not Χρόνος. Very different meanings. Χρόνος is Chronos with is time. Kronos means pure mind.
I dont think you should conflate Saturn and Chronos, Saturn was the most important Roman god while Chronos is more of a footnote, those myths are about Chronos and they obscure the true significance of Saturn
Ngl… this is kinda hard to follow…
i agree but i just keep learning and listening and its starting to make more and more sense. Except Dr, Ammon im still trying to get him, havent gave up yet!!
How about that these demon false Gods will lead you to destruction of you own soul. Be sure of it if you continue down this path