For Byleth a theme I'd like is "Guiding the Youngsters" a focus on them being a teacher Start with Ness and Lucas, then Young Link, then Inkling (in school uniform), then Pit (since he can't read), Joker (also a school uniform), and end with Robin since they're a strategist like Byleth and it's like they're trying to determine the superior scholar. And I can't think of anything else for the boss
For Byleth, I have an idea to fix his/her route & make it less like Lucina's. Sort of combining Odyssey Central's idea with what we actually got. Round 1: Marth - Representing the Sword Of The Creator. Round 2: Roy & Zero Suit Samus - Zero Suit Samus represents the whip abilities of the sword & Marth is an ally. Round 3: Ike, Link, Young Link, & Toon Link - The three Links represent Failnaught (a bow) & Roy is an ally. Round 4: Lucina, Robin, Chrom, & King Dedede - King Dedede represents Aymr (an axe even though Dedede uses a hammer) & Ike is an ally. Round 5: Corrin - Corrin represents Areadbhar (a spear) & Chrom is an ally. Round 6: Three Byleth's - This fight's pretty much the same as the official version, but Corrin is an ally. Final Round: All Fire Emblem Fighters Vs. Master Hand & Crazy Hand.
I’d personally have their route reference the multiple routes of Three Houses rather than follow their character theme of teacher or mercenary or the weapons they use just to follow the theme that the DLC have. Plus the many routes of the game was definitely the biggest selling point of three houses that should be made note of. For the 7 round I’d go- Round 1: Giant Simon with Ike as an ally. This references the tutorial map of the game and Ike alludes to Jeralt, the father of the player character as both are mercenaries. Round 2: A hoard battle of 6 dark pits before ending on a Meta Knight with the Dark Meta Knight skin. This references chapter 5 of 3 Houses where you need to fight a bunch of bandits(mostly archers) led by a characters scarred on his face. You’ll be partnered with a Dimitri skinned Byleth as the main boss is the brother of one of the blue lions and suggest you’re playing the Blue Lion route. Round 3: 2 Byleths with the Edelgard and Dimitri colors, a Robin, and a ganondorf with Claude skin Byleth as an ally. This references the mock battle/battle of the eagle and lion. This will be a team battle with each group trying to win over each other. This one assumes the golden deer route as well with Claude as your partner Round 4: A Lucina who upon defeat will lead into a giant Robin with Edelgard Byleth as an ally. This references chapter 10 where you fight the murders of an important character. Your pairing with Edelgard skin Byleth also references that you’re playing Black Eagles Then the final 3 rounds will reference the 3 boss maps of each respected class. Round 5: Beast King Ganon with Dimitri skin Byleth as an ally. This refers to the final boss the Blue Lions take on in Hegemon Edelgard who has transformed into a giant beast. Round 6: hoard battle of a bunch of fire emblem characters with Giant Marth as the last one with Claude skin Byleth as your ally. This references the final map for the golden deer as the Marth would allude to its final boss nemesis, a bandit turned corrupt and killed the goddess. Robin would also work but I really don’t wanna repeat final characters. The final round would be first against Palutena and then shift into a fight again Rathelos with Edelgard skin Byleth as an ally. This references the black eagles final boss in the form of the immaculate one who is Rhea’s alternate form and resembles Palutena if you compare.
I'd say the name of the route could be "Let the Lesson begin!" Since that's one of their taunts, but otherwise, yeah I think that's a great way to do the route.
@@firewolf950tfwgaming7 I really like the idea, the only change I would make is replacing Beast Ganon with giant metal Dark Pit so we don't have two bosses in the same route and also the black wings + dark arrows could represent the Hegemon Husk own wings and ranged attacks.
It's always nice to hear people like you talking about how fun the offline side of smash can be. As someone who's mostly into this side of smash, it's really cool
i will not lie, that Puppet jumpscare at 4:50 really got me, as i was just sitting back and relaxing when he came up and i never sat up so quickly in my life.
Agreed, although instead of the usual grassy and rocky field, Steve’s fight against Rathalos could take place on Marx’s stage, referencing the Ender Dragon’s home, the End.
I can’t wait for Master Hand’s Classic Mode. It would go Crazy Hand, Crazy Hand spawning Master Hand upon death, Master Hand, Master Hand summoning Crazy Hand upon death, and Galeem and Dharkon. Unoriginal, but still more original than a majority of the actual Classic Mode routes.
Now, Sora also uses the Hands as bosses, but I have a simple fix: just make the boss be a basic Smash battle against Sephiroth, which would make perfect sense as Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 both have secret boss fights against the One-Winged Angel himself. In addition, since said boss fights are infamous for being insanely difficult, maybe Sephiroth could be giant and/or metal to reflect the difficulty of his fights.
Or maybe they could have it so the Master Hand/Crazy Hand fight could be if you reach them as Sora with an intensity less than 7.0. Any higher then that and THEN the boss fight would be the Sephiroth fight you suggested referencing his SECRET boss fights in the first two Kingdom Hearts games and their infamous legacy for their brutal difficulty.
I like how at 15:47 the baby Ike skin actually gets gimped in 3 seconds by your Wario but right after Chad Ike is the one comboing you, asserting his superiority
Oh by the way, for ROB's route, since you included DLC for other characters, maybe add in Steve and Alex at some point, since they're completely emotionless outside of the occasional blink
@@TheSultan1470 well I suppose they're all emotionless but Zombie especially. Just Zombie would feel weird though, so just having a Minecraft round with all 4 alts seems like the best option
Everyone for some reason thinks Ganondorf wanted to overthrow Master Hand in Subspace. HE DIDN'T. He was loyal, he just wanted to make sure Bowser wouldn't betray him so he killed him, but he was loyal to Master Hand and even tried protecting him.
Late response, but Ganondorf wanting to overthrow Master Hand actually *is* canon; there’s a post on the Brawl website that explains some of the Subspace lore.
That's actually totally not Ganondorf-Like. He wouldnt bow down to anyone and swearing his loyality to anyone, as the pure evil incarnate he would instead take everything under control in order for Darkness to prosper, heck he doesnt even care if he is going to die, as long as his goal gets fulfilled he'll be satisfied
I think the reason why no Classic Mode Routes will ever be changed is so that people's old high scores don't suddenly become irrelevant, deleted or no longer obtainable. I do like most of these ideas. The overuse of Master Hand and/or Crazy Hand bothers me too.
The sidekick route would go in my mind, Luigi and Daisy, Diddy Kong, Zelda or Shiek, a hoarde battle against 6 Yoshis (the ones that are not green) Meta Knight, Bowser Jr., and then for the finale, the same crazy hand fight as he’s a sidekick to master hand.
17:10 Master Hand coming before the Champion makes a lot of sense since most Pokémon games have you save the world before going to the Pokémon League. I wonder if Marx or Rathalos would fit better as world-threatening Pokémon, though.
Rathalos works better since he's also from a monster fighting game. Also, then during the final fight you could get his assist trophy like you caught him
For Little Mac, personally i would give him a classic mode that references the other boxers in the punch out series like Glass Joe, Piston Hondo, King Hippo, Aran Ryan, Super Macho Man, and Mr. Sandman.
Glass Joe is Larry, Piston Hondo is Pikachu with the headband, King Hippo is white King K Rool, Aran Ryan is Fox, Super Macho Man is gold Captain Falcon, and Mr. Sandman is Ganondorf
It would of been cool if Sonic, the Knuckles Mii, and the Tails Mii were in doctor Mario's route since the trios colors matches the viruses' colors and it can work as a reference to the rivalry Mario and Sonic had in the 90's. Replace Tails Mii with fox and knuckles mii with incineroar if the player doesn't have either, or costume.
@@bonedude1286 Fox because they are foxes and incineroar because like knuckles, a lot of incineroar's moves are more physical and knuckles has many moves throughout the series where they have flames coming out of them.
@@maxlotwomikey1.097 I have a better idea for the Sonic Route. Fox is fine except use Emerald hill theme. I agree with using Big and Froggy. Next is Caption Falcon except use the song Escape from the City, this is a reference to the GUN truck from SA2. Next is metal Sonic except use a space stage and the song is Live and Learn, this is a reference to Metal Sonic been playable in SA2's multiplayer mode. Next is Ridley to reference the demons from 06. Next is Shiek except use Skyloft with Angel island theme, this is a reference to Shade the Echidna from Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood. Finally Ike and Zelda, this a reference to Merlina from Sonic and the Black Knight.
29:20 For Byleth’s Section you can have them fight against characters that use multiple weapons: Round 1 would be Link Round 2 would be Inkling Round 3 would be Mega Man Round 4 would be Pit Round 5 would be Steve Round 6 would be Bayonetta And maybe replace the hands with Ganon but that’s kinda of a stretch
Rayquaza SHOULD have returned as a boss as should’ve Duon. In addition to them we should’ve gotten Dr Eggman, Metal Face, Andross, Phantoon, Medusa, and Black Shadow.
Isn't that green snake thing a boss? They could've used that for some of the Pokemon. And for the fighter with the "vehicle" theme, Ridley's final fight on Samus' ship would have been epic.
@@amazingfireboy1848 Rayquaza (the green snake thing) was a boss in Super Smash Bros Brawl, but it is unfortunately not a boss in Smash Ultimate, instead it only appears as a stage hazard on Kalos Pokemon League.
No you can’t cut out Bayonetta from Luigi’s route. She represents his fear of dominant women. The 4Chan pages he lurks in had warned him of what 3rd wave feminism would lead to.
@@Zekken_The_Lodestar Because as everyone on the internet knows, sarcasm works well in text. ...wait it doesn't. It can be read as serious or sarcasm depending on the person. Use your words.
Yeah Cloud technically does still fit considering later on he was experimented on to be a great SOLDIER fighter, but yeah Sephiroth honestly fits MUCH better due to him literally being created from JENOVA (aka alien as far as I know) DNA
"Lucina's classic route is titled 'A path of heroes' where she fights all 1 trillion fire emblem characters" I almost spit out my water Edit: "Mega fit trainer and wii man"
I think Byleth’s classic mode should be a bunch of emotionless, blank slate characters, Byleth is one, but actually has a lore reason. I would make it Hero, Mr. Game and Watch, Rob, Pokemon Trainer, Villager, and Robin + Corrin. The boss would be Master Hand. If you wanted to keep the Weapons theme you came up with, I would make the final fight Little Mac, Byleth punches with their jab, using the Brawling weapons class from 3 Houses, and the boss could be Ganon, who uses swords.
Isn't that just R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer's routes? R.O.B.'s route's characters don't show emotion due to not having emotable faces, and wii fit's are supposed to be emotionless.
Idea for Peach: to replace her Bowser fight so she can fought him and Giga Bowser in the finale, she should have got Mario to replace him. Not only this provides a nice irony as her hero turns out to be a former kidnapper, it would also reference Donkey Kong Jr. where Mario is the main antagonist and kidnapped Donkey Kong.
I think that the Mii’s routes should’ve been customizable. You could change the fights to be against whoever you choose and even change the rules of it as well. And, maybe you could even change the boss too. That’d be cool.
17:19 while in theory this would make sense, do keep in mind that in all the Kanto games, mewtwo is completly unavailable until after you become the champion. dunno why hand is here though
For the miis, I'd feel like if they did give them a classic mode, they'd be doing something BIG tailored for them, probably something Miitopia related, like a new classic mode boss, or a new mii fighter class.
For Samus’s ideal new route, instead of the free-for-all with Ivysaur, Min Min, Joker, and Byleth, you can add Ivysaur with Isabelle. It gives Isabelle a companion, but also Ivysaur is a grass type…with leaves… And Isabelle was in… New Leaf?
For Byleth, I’d say they could do fights based on the 4 final boss fights of Three Houses MAJOR 3H SPOLIERS: Could have a fight against giant Ridley with lava everywhere to represent the fire in the Fhirdiad fight against Rhea in Crimson Flower. Could also have a Byleth ally with the Edelgard alt. For Silver Snow it’d be the same thing except no fire and no Edelgard ally. For Azure Moon, it could be a giant Edelgard alt against you and an ally with the Dimitri alt. Verdant Wind would be the hardest one to pull off, best thing that I could think of is fighting another Byleth with a Claude alt ally, due to Byleth and Nemesis having the same sword.
I had the same idea but I would change some things. The cf rhea should be a white charizard or against palutena while the ss rhea should be against Ridley since she got the insane dragon disease in that route For the azure moon boss it would make sense to change the eldegard byleth to kazuya since his demon form could be a reference to hegemon eldegard For the vw fight it should be byleth against the ten elites and nemesis with nemesis being ganondorf or byleth
The idea for Pokémon trainer having the boss on stage 5 also fits most Pokémon games. Prior to Black and White, you’d always defeat the main story’s final enemy before proceeding to the Pokémon league.
Fox’s classic mode fight with the hands could be an unintentional reference to Andross, seeing how he’s a space fairing, floating arms and head boss. For the inclusion of the wire frame Little Macs, I believe it is a reference to a training sequence from Other M (however any removal of references to that piece of utter garbage is more than welcome).
i feel like all or at least some of the fire emblem characters (especially marth) could've fought rathalos at the end cuz of the whole fire emblem thing or something
Note: Zero Suit Samus’s mode in Japanese is “Master the Wire”. The idea being that for most of the characters, the “wire” in question is a tether grab. But for Little Mac, they went for the wire frame costume as a pun.
I think the reason Fox fights a hand is intended as a reference to Andross, who traditionally appears as a giant disembodied head and pair of hands. Why he'd default to only _one_ hand in that case is a mystery. Making the final battle take place on an omega version of a Star Fox stage with occasional appearances of the Assist Trophy version of Andross aiding Master Hand would be a lot more fitting.
I think the Wario fight in Dr. Mario’s route taking place in Luigi’s Mansion is a reference to his manor from Mario & Wario, that also made appearance in Dr. Mario World, and Wario was very present in Dr. Mario 64
I mean add more cutscens and boom there is something to look forward to, like for brawl the story mode was a bit short but it was sick, and also it drags on for way WAY too long
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. From how I'm reading it, you're essentially saying that Subspace was too short and dragged on for way too long. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@monkeyjosh339 could have had fewer required fights, and some platforming segments and cutscenes. considering the "times completed" counter, it seems to be made with replayability in mind, but the combination of length and monotony ruins that
Really wish they came out with a "Boss DLC" Instead of new fighters they grabbed all the series people wanted to see and made then bosses or some from already in series Some I'm imagining are: 1. Dry bones but specifically his Mario party DS appearance 2. Snatcher from a hat in time 3. Neo cortex from crash Bandicoot 4. Eggman from Sonic (possibly specifically the death egg robot) 5. Either a legendary, mega evolved, or gigantamax Pokemon 6. Either a bunch of rabbits from the rabbits series of games OR one of the bosses from Mario + Rabbits 7. DJ Octavio from Splatoon There's probably more but I'm being dumb and can't remember them
This is the first time in a long time a FNAF jumpscare has gotten me. I almost threw my phone. I'm sitting on my toilet on a towel after a shower. The window is open and it's pitch black outside. I had my volume up quite a bit because you were talking quietly. And then you play a really loud, unexpected jumpscare after I turn it up even higher because of the pause. In other words, you got me. Really good.
For greninja’s final boss he should be fighting against only incineroar while Dracula is sitting on his throne watching the fight and sipping his glass of blood His fight intro literally would fit that
I think it would be PERFECT for Rathalos to be Byleth’s boss. The reason being is that in 3 houses you have to fight different beasts labeled monsters and there are a lot of dragon like monsters. Plus you use your whole party to fight them so the teamates aspect works perfectly.
Well, Byleth original classic route does work. Its not just base on all fe rep join smash in order. But it was also base on the order of each of their game release. Marth is Shadow Dragon, Roy is Binding Blade, Both Ike variant from POR and RD, the Awakening rep from.... Awakening, both Corrin (white male and dark female skin) from Fate Birthrights and Conquest, and finally 3 Byleths with three houses leader skin from Three Houses. And Master and Crazy hands with all fe rep (not included echo) as your allies for fun.
I think the master and crazy hands do work well for Lucina but it would seem to make sense to fight the dragon boss as she fights grima as a dragon in her home game for the final boss
Good vid, the only to three I would change is Lucina, Shulk, and Cloud Strife. I feel like Lucina should have a new theme reveling time travel since it's a big part of her story in FE (she want back in time to save her time from the bad guy). I can't think of a full root, but I do feel like Young Link and Sonic could be part of it. Next is Shulk, who I kind of wish they did not use the Smash original Monado Arts (Jump and Smash), I am feeling like Incineroar for Monado Cyclone and King K Rule for Monado Armour. Lastly, I want Cloud's rout to end with a fight with Sephiroth on northern cave! I know it dons not fit with theme, but come on (you can see the party's ship in the background I guess).
One small change about the Sonic classic mode, I think having metal sonic be the final fight before the gallium boss would be a cool reference to Sonic 2’s Death egg zone, where you fight metal sonic & the death egg robot back to back.
I would personally change Mewtwo’s classic mode a bit. 1. Replace Ness with a second Lucas to represent Claus. 2. In round 3, Sephiroth also joins as an ally since this is supposed to reference Cloud being brainwashed by Sephiroth. 3. In round 4, I would make it so only Alucard assist trophy can spawn to sort of give Richter a teammate since this is a reference to Symphony of the Night. 4. I would swap out Pit and Palutena for Link and Zelda. And then in round 6, Mewtwo is allied with both Ganondorf and Zelda. This is a reference to Zelda being possessed by Ganondorf in Twilight Princess.
Fun Fact, For Zss’s route, He fights Little Mac because in Japanese the route is called “Master of the Wire” and they took it really serious for Little Mac.
@@Odyssey_CentralThere’s actually one more character that kidnaps the Metroid. It’s Ridley. I think you forgot about him. So in Peach’s route, round 6 will actually be Ridley and if we want Giga Bowser in the final round, first Bowser, than Giga Bowser. I hope you understand.
Olimar's route should have been fights against the smallest/bigger characters on the roster, the theme of size in Pikmin is a THOUSAND times more iconic than being an astronaut, the only planet we see him visit is Earth and not much else
Something I think would be cool is if bosses had slightly different AI depending on the character so Giga Bowser for Mario would be normal Giga Bowser while Giga Bowser for Captain Falcon could maybe have his AI prefer stuff that's close range like his punch and his shell spin. Also I think a battle of 2 Enderman with Rathalos as the boss would fit really well for Steve.
I just came up with a new classic mode for R.O.B titled "Weirdos and Oddballs" As the name suggests, R.O.B fights opponents that are considered weird and out of place to fight in Super Smash Bros like Dr. Mario, Mr GnW, R.O.B himself, etc. For the boss, R.O.B would fight Rathalos
Don’t let this video fool you all by the way, Marx is the worst boss for speedrunning and I am slightly happy he isn’t used more :D
ok
why are you obese?
Did you know that Mr. Game and watch’s side b is always 6 in Homerun Contest?
Lol
For the Isabelle changes: U cant add 7 players in a classic mode bc u could do co-op mode and then u would have to remove on
For Byleth a theme I'd like is "Guiding the Youngsters" a focus on them being a teacher
Start with Ness and Lucas, then Young Link, then Inkling (in school uniform), then Pit (since he can't read), Joker (also a school uniform), and end with Robin since they're a strategist like Byleth and it's like they're trying to determine the superior scholar. And I can't think of anything else for the boss
Beast King Ganon could represent Hegemone Husk
For Byleth, I have an idea to fix his/her route & make it less like Lucina's. Sort of combining Odyssey Central's idea with what we actually got.
Round 1: Marth - Representing the Sword Of The Creator.
Round 2: Roy & Zero Suit Samus - Zero Suit Samus represents the whip abilities of the sword & Marth is an ally.
Round 3: Ike, Link, Young Link, & Toon Link - The three Links represent Failnaught (a bow) & Roy is an ally.
Round 4: Lucina, Robin, Chrom, & King Dedede - King Dedede represents Aymr (an axe even though Dedede uses a hammer) & Ike is an ally.
Round 5: Corrin - Corrin represents Areadbhar (a spear) & Chrom is an ally.
Round 6: Three Byleth's - This fight's pretty much the same as the official version, but Corrin is an ally.
Final Round: All Fire Emblem Fighters Vs. Master Hand & Crazy Hand.
I’d personally have their route reference the multiple routes of Three Houses rather than follow their character theme of teacher or mercenary or the weapons they use just to follow the theme that the DLC have. Plus the many routes of the game was definitely the biggest selling point of three houses that should be made note of. For the 7 round I’d go-
Round 1: Giant Simon with Ike as an ally. This references the tutorial map of the game and Ike alludes to Jeralt, the father of the player character as both are mercenaries.
Round 2: A hoard battle of 6 dark pits before ending on a Meta Knight with the Dark Meta Knight skin. This references chapter 5 of 3 Houses where you need to fight a bunch of bandits(mostly archers) led by a characters scarred on his face. You’ll be partnered with a Dimitri skinned Byleth as the main boss is the brother of one of the blue lions and suggest you’re playing the Blue Lion route.
Round 3: 2 Byleths with the Edelgard and Dimitri colors, a Robin, and a ganondorf with Claude skin Byleth as an ally. This references the mock battle/battle of the eagle and lion. This will be a team battle with each group trying to win over each other. This one assumes the golden deer route as well with Claude as your partner
Round 4: A Lucina who upon defeat will lead into a giant Robin with Edelgard Byleth as an ally. This references chapter 10 where you fight the murders of an important character. Your pairing with Edelgard skin Byleth also references that you’re playing Black Eagles
Then the final 3 rounds will reference the 3 boss maps of each respected class.
Round 5: Beast King Ganon with Dimitri skin Byleth as an ally. This refers to the final boss the Blue Lions take on in Hegemon Edelgard who has transformed into a giant beast.
Round 6: hoard battle of a bunch of fire emblem characters with Giant Marth as the last one with Claude skin Byleth as your ally. This references the final map for the golden deer as the Marth would allude to its final boss nemesis, a bandit turned corrupt and killed the goddess. Robin would also work but I really don’t wanna repeat final characters.
The final round would be first against Palutena and then shift into a fight again Rathelos with Edelgard skin Byleth as an ally. This references the black eagles final boss in the form of the immaculate one who is Rhea’s alternate form and resembles Palutena if you compare.
I'd say the name of the route could be "Let the Lesson begin!" Since that's one of their taunts, but otherwise, yeah I think that's a great way to do the route.
@@firewolf950tfwgaming7 I really like the idea, the only change I would make is replacing Beast Ganon with giant metal Dark Pit so we don't have two bosses in the same route and also the black wings + dark arrows could represent the Hegemon Husk own wings and ranged attacks.
It's always nice to hear people like you talking about how fun the offline side of smash can be. As someone who's mostly into this side of smash, it's really cool
I agree completely.
-just never do what I did and train a Hero amiibo and fight it yourself, and now I’ll make a Kazuya one when it comes out-
Yeah I love the story and classic modes
Yeah, same. I’m trash at online play, so it’s just rather comforting to play by myself.
@@SamuelTheAdept okay, but don’t fight that one, period.
Yeah, Smash is a weird case of an online game having more single player content than online.
i will not lie, that Puppet jumpscare at 4:50 really got me, as i was just sitting back and relaxing when he came up and i never sat up so quickly in my life.
Don't do that again
whats going on at 2:38 with rosilina
Same
I don't know why but my entire back bent up and I did the weirdest recoil in my life
So funny haha
I think Steve should fight rathilos. You know, he is fighting a dragon as in the Ender dragon
Agreed, although instead of the usual grassy and rocky field, Steve’s fight against Rathalos could take place on Marx’s stage, referencing the Ender Dragon’s home, the End.
And defeat static tall characters before rathalos referencing the end pillars
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Yes
Rathalos*
I can’t wait for Master Hand’s Classic Mode. It would go Crazy Hand, Crazy Hand spawning Master Hand upon death, Master Hand, Master Hand summoning Crazy Hand upon death, and Galeem and Dharkon. Unoriginal, but still more original than a majority of the actual Classic Mode routes.
GENIUUUUUSSSS!!!
I was told that Master Hand could be unlocked as a fighter in Brawl, but sadly I never had a chance to figure out how
Now, Sora also uses the Hands as bosses, but I have a simple fix: just make the boss be a basic Smash battle against Sephiroth, which would make perfect sense as Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2 both have secret boss fights against the One-Winged Angel himself. In addition, since said boss fights are infamous for being insanely difficult, maybe Sephiroth could be giant and/or metal to reflect the difficulty of his fights.
Or maybe they could have it so the Master Hand/Crazy Hand fight could be if you reach them as Sora with an intensity less than 7.0. Any higher then that and THEN the boss fight would be the Sephiroth fight you suggested referencing his SECRET boss fights in the first two Kingdom Hearts games and their infamous legacy for their brutal difficulty.
22:09 damn that caught me off guard almost spit out my cereal
Wii man
Mega fit trainer
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Mega Fit Trainer and Wii Man
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I thought you were talking about the jumpscare
I was not ready for that intro to Luigi’s section
Me even less
I was half asleep ;o;
Same...
I was so scared it was like 4 am
@@swappy_star7781 to me it was 3 am
I like how at 15:47 the baby Ike skin actually gets gimped in 3 seconds by your Wario but right after Chad Ike is the one comboing you, asserting his superiority
Oh by the way, for ROB's route, since you included DLC for other characters, maybe add in Steve and Alex at some point, since they're completely emotionless outside of the occasional blink
@@bobert221 *cinematic trailers and mini videos would like to talk with you*
@@gamerits yeah. just in THOSE do they show emotion. in game. they show less emotion than a fucking statue.
@@bobert221 How about the zombie?
@@TheSultan1470 well I suppose they're all emotionless but Zombie especially. Just Zombie would feel weird though, so just having a Minecraft round with all 4 alts seems like the best option
Everyone for some reason thinks Ganondorf wanted to overthrow Master Hand in Subspace. HE DIDN'T. He was loyal, he just wanted to make sure Bowser wouldn't betray him so he killed him, but he was loyal to Master Hand and even tried protecting him.
Huh, never expected Ganondorf to be loyal to someone.
well, there is that subtle smirk he does when taking orders from master hand
Yeah, the whole time I was just thinking "Didn't he literally die trying to save Master Hand from Tabuu"
Late response, but Ganondorf wanting to overthrow Master Hand actually *is* canon; there’s a post on the Brawl website that explains some of the Subspace lore.
That's actually totally not Ganondorf-Like.
He wouldnt bow down to anyone and swearing his loyality to anyone, as the pure evil incarnate he would instead take everything under control in order for Darkness to prosper, heck he doesnt even care if he is going to die, as long as his goal gets fulfilled he'll be satisfied
22:09 Um yes, my two favorite characters, Mega Fit Trainer and Wii Man
(Insert Mario laughing histericrly)
23:56 and don't forget about the goddess of light, Fair and Balanced
Same
Same
Wii Man is just the Reckless Motion Safety Man that appears before the title screen of every Wii game.
I think the reason why no Classic Mode Routes will ever be changed is so that people's old high scores don't suddenly become irrelevant, deleted or no longer obtainable.
I do like most of these ideas. The overuse of Master Hand and/or Crazy Hand bothers me too.
I sure they probably work around it
Every time I hear that the hands are overused I relish in the fact that I am a Yoshi main (i.e. I get A DRAGON)
We split it, old and new
@@Starricane imagine not being a Sephiroth main and fighting literally everything
Wait no.
Falco's classic mode should be up against fighters who can fly!
The dark theme is used like 3 to 4 times already.
That or sidekicks/2nd bananas
The sidekick route would go in my mind, Luigi and Daisy, Diddy Kong, Zelda or Shiek, a hoarde battle against 6 Yoshis (the ones that are not green) Meta Knight, Bowser Jr., and then for the finale, the same crazy hand fight as he’s a sidekick to master hand.
That could work too
Characters with more than two jumps would work well, since jump height is one of Falco’s strongest points
17:10 Master Hand coming before the Champion makes a lot of sense since most Pokémon games have you save the world before going to the Pokémon League. I wonder if Marx or Rathalos would fit better as world-threatening Pokémon, though.
Rathalos works better since he's also from a monster fighting game. Also, then during the final fight you could get his assist trophy like you caught him
Wasn't there a Raquaza fight? maybe I mistake it from Brawl, where I definitely remember that fight. They could have brought Rayquaza for that reason.
@@zacharytaylor2676 sadly Rayquaza is only in brawl
For Little Mac, personally i would give him a classic mode that references the other boxers in the punch out series like Glass Joe, Piston Hondo, King Hippo, Aran Ryan, Super Macho Man, and Mr. Sandman.
for aran ryan, he pulls out a gun
@@PROPLAYEN Thats not a bad idea tbh
Just give Aran a lazer Gun
Or have him fight characters who use boxing gloves in their attacks (also a reference to Ken/Incineroar's reveal trailer)
Glass Joe is Larry, Piston Hondo is Pikachu with the headband, King Hippo is white King K Rool, Aran Ryan is Fox, Super Macho Man is gold Captain Falcon, and Mr. Sandman is Ganondorf
@@John-fh8vy I would make Mr Sandman a Big Jiggily Puff because yknow Mr Sandman makes alot of Sleep Threats and Jiggly puff has a sleep attack.
The reason little Mac is in ZSS’s fight is because in Japanese, the name is “down to the wire” and he is in his wire frame outfit
The only change I’d make is to Sepiroth as the final boss for cloud
Yeah
Sephiroth should’ve also been included in Sora’s classic mode.
Roy’s final boss being the hands makes perfect sense.
After all, Master Hand and Crazy Hand are the final boss of the first game Roy was in.
It would of been cool if Sonic, the Knuckles Mii, and the Tails Mii were in doctor Mario's route since the trios colors matches the viruses' colors and it can work as a reference to the rivalry Mario and Sonic had in the 90's. Replace Tails Mii with fox and knuckles mii with incineroar if the player doesn't have either, or costume.
What if you don't have the costumes? It's a good idea, but seems to specific for it to actually work.
@@bonedude1286 Fox because they are foxes and incineroar because like knuckles, a lot of incineroar's moves are more physical and knuckles has many moves throughout the series where they have flames coming out of them.
@@maxlotwomikey1.097 You should probably specify that in the comment.
@@bonedude1286 good point.
@@maxlotwomikey1.097 I have a better idea for the Sonic Route. Fox is fine except use Emerald hill theme.
I agree with using Big and Froggy.
Next is Caption Falcon except use the song Escape from the City, this is a reference to the GUN truck from SA2.
Next is metal Sonic except use a space stage and the song is Live and Learn, this is a reference to Metal Sonic been playable in SA2's multiplayer mode.
Next is Ridley to reference the demons from 06.
Next is Shiek except use Skyloft with Angel island theme, this is a reference to Shade the Echidna from Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood.
Finally Ike and Zelda, this a reference to Merlina from Sonic and the Black Knight.
I haven’t watched the video yet but I bet he is going to flex his Classic mode world records lol
That’s what I was thinking
29:20
For Byleth’s Section you can have them fight against characters that use multiple weapons:
Round 1 would be Link
Round 2 would be Inkling
Round 3 would be Mega Man
Round 4 would be Pit
Round 5 would be Steve
Round 6 would be Bayonetta
And maybe replace the hands with Ganon but that’s kinda of a stretch
replace Hands with Galleom?
They totally should have added Corrin or Inkling next to Squirtle to represent the Water Type in Greninja's route.
I wouldn't say inkling as they die to water but they work well as a poison type so they could go with ivysaur because of the dual typing
@@zagondragon9912or olimar to go with grass
22:09
Wii man is now my favorite smash character and you can't change my mind.
mega man 12 leak?
I prefer Mega Fit Trainer
We really just need more bosses, it would add a lot more variety.
Rayquaza SHOULD have returned as a boss as should’ve Duon. In addition to them we should’ve gotten Dr Eggman, Metal Face, Andross, Phantoon, Medusa, and Black Shadow.
@@RondoOfBloodX porky couldve worked
@@RondoOfBloodX Metal Gear REX or RAY would've worked too.
@@RondoOfBloodX Duon would have worked well in Banjo's classic mode.
Or we could’ve had the giant baby Bowser for Yoshi, The Reaper for Joker, The Enderdragon for Steve, Captain Falcon could have Black Shadow etc.
Odyssey: the mask covers their identities
Allister rare league card: are you sure about that
Lmao.
Shouldn't Roy's fight with shulk have Pyra & Mythra they are literally swords.
Isn't that green snake thing a boss? They could've used that for some of the Pokemon. And for the fighter with the "vehicle" theme, Ridley's final fight on Samus' ship would have been epic.
@@amazingfireboy1848 Rayquaza (the green snake thing) was a boss in Super Smash Bros Brawl, but it is unfortunately not a boss in Smash Ultimate, instead it only appears as a stage hazard on Kalos Pokemon League.
@@dreamlanderjoel8162 oh, thanks
pyra and mythra are dlc tho
@@luigidogxd this was an idea for this video and he said that he was design them with the characters we have now.
No you can’t cut out Bayonetta from Luigi’s route. She represents his fear of dominant women. The 4Chan pages he lurks in had warned him of what 3rd wave feminism would lead to.
Wait... It was?
@@Zekken_The_Lodestar No, she summons literal demons n shit
@@lord_berkut2426 I was being sarcastic to the comment above.
@@Zekken_The_Lodestar Because as everyone on the internet knows, sarcasm works well in text.
...wait it doesn't. It can be read as serious or sarcasm depending on the person.
Use your words.
I can’t believe you did that 4:48
Odyssey canceled
That scared me 💀
@@Bagimations same
8:35 I know that it’s not technically a boss but one that I’ve thought of for Dr. Mario’s boss is a yellow, red, and blue Bowsers fight
13:57 Oh that’s perfect. See, Sephiroth was born a living weapon, so he makes more sense than Cloud.
Yeah Cloud technically does still fit considering later on he was experimented on to be a great SOLDIER fighter, but yeah Sephiroth honestly fits MUCH better due to him literally being created from JENOVA (aka alien as far as I know) DNA
Giant inceneraor to represent that one red character that I don't care to look up about
Me: oh, Zavok? Yeah, he's a lost cause. No one cares about him
"Lucina's classic route is titled 'A path of heroes' where she fights all 1 trillion fire emblem characters"
I almost spit out my water
Edit: "Mega fit trainer and wii man"
Imagine if they fleshed out Classic mode way more and binned the other modes except for WOL and normal Smash.
I think Byleth’s classic mode should be a bunch of emotionless, blank slate characters, Byleth is one, but actually has a lore reason. I would make it Hero, Mr. Game and Watch, Rob, Pokemon Trainer, Villager, and Robin + Corrin. The boss would be Master Hand. If you wanted to keep the Weapons theme you came up with, I would make the final fight Little Mac, Byleth punches with their jab, using the Brawling weapons class from 3 Houses, and the boss could be Ganon, who uses swords.
Robin has an actual character tho.
Isn't that just R.O.B. and Wii Fit Trainer's routes? R.O.B.'s route's characters don't show emotion due to not having emotable faces, and wii fit's are supposed to be emotionless.
@@CuttlefishOnEstrogen Yes your right.
For an avatar, Robin actually has decent amounts of personality
For that Luigi segment
I’ve seen that jumpscare millions of times and it still got me
Idea for Peach: to replace her Bowser fight so she can fought him and Giga Bowser in the finale, she should have got Mario to replace him. Not only this provides a nice irony as her hero turns out to be a former kidnapper, it would also reference Donkey Kong Jr. where Mario is the main antagonist and kidnapped Donkey Kong.
When he talks about Marx used 3 times rosalina turns into the funny moon guy
*cringe
I’m sorry, but who’s Cringe? I remember that Rosalina exists, but I can’t remember Sakuri adding a character named Cringe.
I think that the Mii’s routes should’ve been customizable. You could change the fights to be against whoever you choose and even change the rules of it as well.
And, maybe you could even change the boss too.
That’d be cool.
Agreed and allow us to share routes online (maybe stage builder being allowed and letting us make race to the finish layouts)
Warning: Luigi's section has a jumpscare.
Warning: too late
Same
17:19 while in theory this would make sense, do keep in mind that in all the Kanto games, mewtwo is completly unavailable until after you become the champion. dunno why hand is here though
30:35 "Mii Brawler's would be characters with strong punches." Proceeds to not include Little Mac
If I were replacing that route, I’d probably remove Wario as his punches aren’t the strongest
I would change the name of king dedede’s classic route to “fight for the crown” to reference his guest star tag line from star allies
Imagine if the Mii fighters had there own classic mode, where you can make your own fights and wich boss you will fight
You're right, Sephiroth would be better fit. Cloud still works, but yes, Sephiroth would work better.
When I did peach, I was so confused when the boss wasn’t giga bowser
For the miis, I'd feel like if they did give them a classic mode, they'd be doing something BIG tailored for them, probably something Miitopia related, like a new classic mode boss, or a new mii fighter class.
Me the whole time watching this video, who doesn’t play classic mode:
*I like your funny words, magic man*
For Samus’s ideal new route, instead of the free-for-all with Ivysaur, Min Min, Joker, and Byleth, you can add Ivysaur with Isabelle. It gives Isabelle a companion, but also Ivysaur is a grass type…with leaves… And Isabelle was in… New Leaf?
For Byleth, I’d say they could do fights based on the 4 final boss fights of Three Houses
MAJOR 3H SPOLIERS:
Could have a fight against giant Ridley with lava everywhere to represent the fire in the Fhirdiad fight against Rhea in Crimson Flower. Could also have a Byleth ally with the Edelgard alt. For Silver Snow it’d be the same thing except no fire and no Edelgard ally.
For Azure Moon, it could be a giant Edelgard alt against you and an ally with the Dimitri alt.
Verdant Wind would be the hardest one to pull off, best thing that I could think of is fighting another Byleth with a Claude alt ally, due to Byleth and Nemesis having the same sword.
I had the same idea but I would change some things. The cf rhea should be a white charizard or against palutena while the ss rhea should be against Ridley since she got the insane dragon disease in that route
For the azure moon boss it would make sense to change the eldegard byleth to kazuya since his demon form could be a reference to hegemon eldegard
For the vw fight it should be byleth against the ten elites and nemesis with nemesis being ganondorf or byleth
@@The-mw3hc Sakurai refuses to use DLC characters in Classic mode other than the DLC character you play as.
8:14 haha I've been laughing at this for so long
Why Are You Laughing Kid
@@BetterNicholas dream
@@BetterNicholas why are u judging him
KID
@@Shy_Man111 You Do Realize The Original Comment Was Quoting Mask Again So I Commented Quoting More Of Mask A Joke
The idea for Pokémon trainer having the boss on stage 5 also fits most Pokémon games. Prior to Black and White, you’d always defeat the main story’s final enemy before proceeding to the Pokémon league.
What they say: Fixing classic mode
What I hear: Death to master and crazy hand
Fox’s classic mode fight with the hands could be an unintentional reference to Andross, seeing how he’s a space fairing, floating arms and head boss.
For the inclusion of the wire frame Little Macs, I believe it is a reference to a training sequence from Other M (however any removal of references to that piece of utter garbage is more than welcome).
I would call macs new route, disadvantaged victory, since he is the one usually at the disadvantage against his opponents in his game.
Marx should've been the Boss for Palutena's Classic Mode because he's a Jester God and Divine means God
I think the Mii's route should be something with custom avatars, like Inkling, Villager and Steve
i feel like all or at least some of the fire emblem characters (especially marth) could've fought rathalos at the end cuz of the whole fire emblem thing or something
I think rob’s route should be referencing 80s toys and 80s games
So Duck Hunt, Game and watch, Mega Man, and Hero
Someone hire this man
@@Shy_Man111 thanks
@@larrychilders6599 game & watch’s classic mode is good so definitely not have to be changed
@@larrychilders6599 I agree with you with duck hunt and mega man and hero since they are retro
Note: Zero Suit Samus’s mode in Japanese is “Master the Wire”. The idea being that for most of the characters, the “wire” in question is a tether grab. But for Little Mac, they went for the wire frame costume as a pun.
Nintendo missed an opportunity in ROB's "unreadable expressions" to include some form of the killiger meme
22:09
MegaFit trainer and wii man 💀
IMO, Lucina's boss should be Rathalos assisted by Robin.
Grima was beaten in Smash4 missionmode and now he comes back even stronger? Nice.
I think the reason Fox fights a hand is intended as a reference to Andross, who traditionally appears as a giant disembodied head and pair of hands. Why he'd default to only _one_ hand in that case is a mystery. Making the final battle take place on an omega version of a Star Fox stage with occasional appearances of the Assist Trophy version of Andross aiding Master Hand would be a lot more fitting.
All Fire Emblem characters should fight Rathalos
Well expect marth he fights against rathalos
@@mcecidejesus8477 *except
Dracula should've been the Boss for Ike's Classic Mode and Marx should've been the Boss for Olimar's Classic Mode
I think the Wario fight in Dr. Mario’s route taking place in Luigi’s Mansion is a reference to his manor from Mario & Wario, that also made appearance in Dr. Mario World, and Wario was very present in Dr. Mario 64
22:08
"Mega Fit Trainer and Wii Man" 💀
Sometimes I wish Eggman was a Boss (I mean, I wish he was a Character, but a Boss would also make alot of sense)
And he would be the final boss for mega- I mean, for *W I I M A N*’s classic mode route
Edit: the fight could be: dr Mario who spawns eggman
"mega fit trainer and wii man" -skull-
I mean add more cutscens and boom there is something to look forward to, like for brawl the story mode was a bit short but it was sick, and also it drags on for way WAY too long
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
From how I'm reading it, you're essentially saying that Subspace was too short and dragged on for way too long. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@kira_the_sniper6376 I think they mean wol drags on
@@monkeyjosh339 could have had fewer required fights, and some platforming segments and cutscenes. considering the "times completed" counter, it seems to be made with replayability in mind, but the combination of length and monotony ruins that
I died laughing when you said “ mega fit trainer and wii man”
I think a video where you make a new boss for each Smash franchise without one would be fun
Eg: Raphael Ravel for Yoshi, Andross for Starfox, etc
Really wish they came out with a "Boss DLC"
Instead of new fighters they grabbed all the series people wanted to see and made then bosses or some from already in series
Some I'm imagining are:
1. Dry bones but specifically his Mario party DS appearance
2. Snatcher from a hat in time
3. Neo cortex from crash Bandicoot
4. Eggman from Sonic (possibly specifically the death egg robot)
5. Either a legendary, mega evolved, or gigantamax Pokemon
6. Either a bunch of rabbits from the rabbits series of games OR one of the bosses from Mario + Rabbits
7. DJ Octavio from Splatoon
There's probably more but I'm being dumb and can't remember them
2:38 The “Rosalina cringe” moment
This is the first time in a long time a FNAF jumpscare has gotten me. I almost threw my phone. I'm sitting on my toilet on a towel after a shower. The window is open and it's pitch black outside. I had my volume up quite a bit because you were talking quietly. And then you play a really loud, unexpected jumpscare after I turn it up even higher because of the pause.
In other words, you got me. Really good.
Damn you and Aaronitmar had the same idea lol
For greninja’s final boss he should be fighting against only incineroar while Dracula is sitting on his throne watching the fight and sipping his glass of blood
His fight intro literally would fit that
I think it would be PERFECT for Rathalos to be Byleth’s boss. The reason being is that in 3 houses you have to fight different beasts labeled monsters and there are a lot of dragon like monsters. Plus you use your whole party to fight them so the teamates aspect works perfectly.
Well, Byleth original classic route does work. Its not just base on all fe rep join smash in order. But it was also base on the order of each of their game release. Marth is Shadow Dragon, Roy is Binding Blade, Both Ike variant from POR and RD, the Awakening rep from.... Awakening, both Corrin (white male and dark female skin) from Fate Birthrights and Conquest, and finally 3 Byleths with three houses leader skin from Three Houses. And Master and Crazy hands with all fe rep (not included echo) as your allies for fun.
I’d add Lucina to Shiek’s route instead of the Miis. She literally uses a masquerade mask in her home game and down taunt.
I think the master and crazy hands do work well for Lucina but it would seem to make sense to fight the dragon boss as she fights grima as a dragon in her home game for the final boss
Good vid, the only to three I would change is Lucina, Shulk, and Cloud Strife. I feel like Lucina should have a new theme reveling time travel since it's a big part of her story in FE (she want back in time to save her time from the bad guy). I can't think of a full root, but I do feel like Young Link and Sonic could be part of it. Next is Shulk, who I kind of wish they did not use the Smash original Monado Arts (Jump and Smash), I am feeling like Incineroar for Monado Cyclone and King K Rule for Monado Armour. Lastly, I want Cloud's rout to end with a fight with Sephiroth on northern cave! I know it dons not fit with theme, but come on (you can see the party's ship in the background I guess).
i could actually make this maybe (i cant mod it would just be a sketch)
Funny Dream reference odyssey central! Genuinely hilarious!
A quick Idea, You can change the Classic Mode you play through to other runs you've cleared, after you clear the run once.
Ganondorf should fight Marx because Marx is a Friend of Kirby
For Ganon, you could make the final battle against Joker but he always has Arsene
One small change about the Sonic classic mode, I think having metal sonic be the final fight before the gallium boss would be a cool reference to Sonic 2’s Death egg zone, where you fight metal sonic & the death egg robot back to back.
ZSS SHOULD FIGHT GIGA BOWSER OR RATHALOS, THEY HAVE CLAWS
I would personally change Mewtwo’s classic mode a bit.
1. Replace Ness with a second Lucas to represent Claus.
2. In round 3, Sephiroth also joins as an ally since this is supposed to reference Cloud being brainwashed by Sephiroth.
3. In round 4, I would make it so only Alucard assist trophy can spawn to sort of give Richter a teammate since this is a reference to Symphony of the Night.
4. I would swap out Pit and Palutena for Link and Zelda. And then in round 6, Mewtwo is allied with both Ganondorf and Zelda. This is a reference to Zelda being possessed by Ganondorf in Twilight Princess.
I was literally just watching an old video of yours!
Fun Fact,
For Zss’s route, He fights Little Mac because in Japanese the route is called “Master of the Wire” and they took it really serious for Little Mac.
hello how are you
i am above the water
i am fine
He did it! He’s not under the water!
@@Odyssey_CentralThere’s actually one more character that kidnaps the Metroid. It’s Ridley. I think you forgot about him. So in Peach’s route, round 6 will actually be Ridley and if we want Giga Bowser in the final round, first Bowser, than Giga Bowser. I hope you understand.
Olimar's route should have been fights against the smallest/bigger characters on the roster, the theme of size in Pikmin is a THOUSAND times more iconic than being an astronaut, the only planet we see him visit is Earth and not much else
So Terry does not appear in classic mode except with himself
Something I think would be cool is if bosses had slightly different AI depending on the character so Giga Bowser for Mario would be normal Giga Bowser while Giga Bowser for Captain Falcon could maybe have his AI prefer stuff that's close range like his punch and his shell spin. Also I think a battle of 2 Enderman with Rathalos as the boss would fit really well for Steve.
Great vid, but we gonna acknowledge his problem with rosalina?
Not having Little Mac on your Mii Brawler route centered around strong punches is a crime
For Byleth classic mod the final boss should have been Rhea there is a spirit fight for her they could copy this fight in the classic mode
Palutena would be a great fighter for this, they look so similar, I have a friend that keep confusing them! XD
@@TheOnlyTherazan they'd even more confused! Lol
I just came up with a new classic mode for R.O.B titled "Weirdos and Oddballs"
As the name suggests, R.O.B fights opponents that are considered weird and out of place to fight in Super Smash Bros like Dr. Mario, Mr GnW, R.O.B himself, etc. For the boss, R.O.B would fight Rathalos