Making a tricky stepped and curved panel, fabrication beating Tips and Tricks#44
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Outro Three kinds of suns by Norma Rockwell.
'Just the right side of hand made...'? They look pretty spot on to me!!! That book would be a good 'giveaway' when the hammers finally run out...Right I'm off up to the garage to bash some metal...
Trev - great video, showing how you can often use tools in an 'unconventional' manner to solve problems. I can't tell you how much it pleases me that I helped to inspire you at a certain point in your career. You have taken it a long way, and inspired many thousands of people with your work. I look forward to your next videos!
Ron Covell I cannot tell you how pleased I am that you’re pleased 😁
Wow! Kudos from a master like Mr. Covell! Trev I just knew you are a special talent! Well done sir! Follow your passion.
Hi Trev, more videos like this please. Hand making parts, brilliant! Why I started watching your channel.
Mate in restoring a 1956 hillman minx and I got lots of rust in the boot area. Help?
SWG send me a picture, my email address is in the video description. Cheers Trev 👍
One of my favo(u)rite quotes is "He who works with his hands is a labo(u)rer. He who works with his hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands, his head, and his heart is an artist".
You, sir, are an artist with metal!
Trev, keep on "upsetting the bed-wetters"! Anyone who is upset by your work product or processes deserves to be upset. Good on ya, man, keep it up. dw
Bang on Don...:)..
It always amazes me how light a touch a decent metal shaper uses, just enough force applied in the right place. Needless to say, I am a big hammer merchant, single handedly supporting the scrap metal industry.
Big hammer men always have a giant left thumb...
Just like it takes ever finer sandpaper to get a mirror finish it takes ever lighter taps to get out the bigger dents!!! It's amazing how metal will move with light taps when you can identify where it wants to move too!!!
Keep Rocking it out!!!
I also watch a bloke from brasil very few tools , he can make most things from nothing , check him out paulao funileiro , I can't understand him but you can see what he does. Your lambrettas are beautiful
Great video, Trev. I enjoyed hearing what has inspired you, in your art. 👍 Tony B
Good morning from N.Y Trev. Thanks so much for sharing your talent. I am currently restoring a 1966 Ford Mustang coupe I have owned for many years. I am a mechanic by trade and until this project came along I had little to no experience with any type of body repair or metal work. There have been many dimensions to my project and many lessions learned but my passion is definitely the panel work. The intricate fitting and forming are therapeutic to me. I look forward to all your videos and advice. Stay healthy in these difficult times.
Gene
We always lost money because it was the love of the art of being able to weld and fabricate.makes you feel like you accomplished something
Great tips and I mean not only metal shaping part. Thank you so much for sharing your experience, it is so rare this days👍 and what i can share from my little metal shaping experience is that if you use flat dies on a bead roller you can use it kinda like a English wheel, and add some curvature to the panel by pulling end that you hold up or down.
I have a hard time understanding how anyone can criticize you after watching what you do. You are an artist! Thank you
Oh man.... I should have watched this two weeks ago. Just made a similar piece along the top of the windshield. Made two L channels and shaped them with the shrinker stretcher before welding them together. Worked.... but like you said 10 minutes in... a bit of a mess.
Nothing more irritating that someone saying 'easy when you got the right tools innit'. Great vid Trev, Thank you!
I've some spare time and space, just let me know where to send them to!
Thank you for giving up your time to inspire others 👍
I had a similar panel in my 'drivers side rear wheel arch part 2' video by watching all your videos it gave me the confidence to attempt this, after many hours and 2 attempts i got there. Thanks for showing us what is possible.
I'm always amazed at how you solve problems like this on the fly, great video!
I started my journey aged 17 by bodging cars & fooling the MOT guy. I became an expert at it, Through necessity £££ .
I then thought what am I doing? The effort required to bodge was far more than doing the job properly. My life changed after that & I now chase perfection as much as a Gorilla with two left hands could. Education through book & guys like you are bringing me on more than I thought I could ever achieve. Thanks Trev, You're the Man.
As always great content Trev… Keep them comin ol buddy
Necessity is the mother of invention.
The fun is in the fight.
Don't make the assumption that what you do is not interesting. We are here and follow what you do because it is interesting. Watching any craftsman ply his/her trade is fascinating when it is done in a way so others can learn. Keep at it Trev top job
I like Ron Covell work too. He is very good. Your are also very good Trev. You have the patience needed to do the work. Keep it up.
thanks Trev for mentioning my tribe i’m a proud bedwetter and i am happy to report that your prattling on in no way upsets me.
cheers from australia
just had a look on my bookshelf and i have the revised edition of that very book :)
Dude old school part making is some of the coolest stuff to watch and one of the skills I envy the most.
Trev, I've learned so much from you, thank you so much. Although no matter how much I practice or how hard I try I can't seem to hammer as fast as you! :)
Really enjoyed that Trev.Somthing 'normal' on an odd feelling day.
thanks.
I’m in that metal shaping book! I’ve worked for my father Mark Barton and Steve Hall who were we’re featured in it. You should do a video on what it’s like working in a metal shop and the essentials of what it takes to work with several other fabricators and what to expect walking in to a job like what you do. Love watching these videos!
i think you should write a book on the subject yourself, with all that skill and experience you have to share it would be an inspiration to all who read it.
Sir you are an inspiration.i too come from accident repair background and also ran my own restoration shop . You have a great style and your knowledge is brilliant.im learning a lot from you 👍😎
Although a shade tree car restorer ,same thing happened to me,when I stumbled across at a auto swap meet, Ron Fournier's metal fabricators book , a complete revelation what you could do with auto body sheet metal ,most people will never understand your passion for what you do.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge & passion .
Yet another stunning video by an ever so gentle craftsman and Teacher....thank you very much!
Yeah your bang on Trev people don't realise what it takes to do what you do that's why a lot of car restorers who start projects do not finish and when pricing a job they don't see the art and passion and time that it takes to do a job like your van looks brilliant that's all due to your love and hard work and it greatly shows. Thanks.
doesn't matter how you get there as long as it looks right and works, sometimes you have to think out side the box, all the best Trev take care.
Nice work on the curved panel I'm just getting ito a lot of metal shaping repairing my old discoverys I know panels are available but enjoy the chalenge of making patches so lots of info for me there thanks 👍👍
That cast iron wheel you found in a skip looks very much like an older theatre Fly weight they used to slot a load of them on a vertical bar attached to a rope to fly scenery in and out most had a slot through to the middle so you could adjust the weights but the bottom one was like yours to stop them all slipping off
Great video - again. Thanks. When weather becomes a bit more warm, I will start to improve my skills thanks to you. You are so inspiring. And I guess a lot like me ( weekend garage worrier ) is strugling with not enough time and space. You are not alone Trev. We are suffering with you. :-)
Stay safe.
Thanks for Another inspiring video! Just ordered the project book. Lots of sheet metal work to be done on 1926 Model T roadster. Keep the tips coming!
Hello trev .my first post. Enjoy your work alot. Im in canada born in scotland been here 52 years. Ron covell is great and so is ron fornier . Have you ever watched Lazze metal shaping videos. He is very good. I am a fabricator myself currently building a 69 spitfire with a v8 custom framework suspension body and just about everything else. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to more of your vids.
I made up a similar piece for my Kombi lower D-pillar. A curved and stepped panel. It took many attempts but after finish with the shrinker it come up really nice. I like Ron Covells work too. Maybe later you could make a video together? Hmmmm?
You now realise that I'm going to be searching for that book????.............
I've just turned 64 and I have been working as welder in the oil and gas industry since I was 16 but sheet metal is a different ball game all together. I'm restoring a 63 Volkswagen Beetle Convertible and your tips advice is invaluable.
I agree.
I've done rocker panels on 2 vehicled without a lift...way slow. I have a lift now and am doing another set of rockers (i live in a rust prone area) and my skills are better, but it's still time consuming.
It is nice to know you can do this stuff and the material is pretty cheap.
I own a 68 Buick Wild Cat with rusted out wheel arches in the rear and need to replace about 8 inches worth and it is stepped and curved 😢
Trevor i love your blog i really like the way you explain things simple and straightforward keep it up man. Barry Shepherd from the u.s.
I have Covells Wheeling Techniques DVDs as well. Love it. Would love to fabricate my own Datsun bonnet one day. There are guys running courses in different parts of Australia to do this . Will be signing up...
Love this guy. He explains every step, gives tips and tricks. I had a very similar problem. Mine was no bead roller but needed an offset or step. Ended up using a vise, steel rod, and 3 different hammers to get my step. Keep up the great videos Trev.
While I was finishing up wetting the bed, it occurred to me that I must stop and say something...as usual. After working on many failed projects, I had, many decades ago, come to the realization that building a "failure model" is sometimes the best route. I used to go thru hell to win a losing battle with a project that ultimately failed. But I took note of all the failure points and decide that a sacrificial model would teach me what I needed to know right away.
For all you bedwetters out there; build it fast and dirty and then examine all its failure points. Should I have put this sheet metal thru the rollers before I tried to use the bead roller? Answers come fast and thick. We learn more from our failures. Explore failure. I'm an expert on it.
wow it was like you were screaming your words to me. i got involved in collision work because rust repair work dn't pay eough to live on. Then I was caught up just making a living whíle my passion of reating was being suppressd while doing collision work. Never enough time nor mony to just enioy crating. Money doesn't buy happiess it, jut suppresses our creativity
Trev, have you read Cass Nawrocki’s book? It is mind blowing!
Inspiration... Thank you. I needed that. I don't have a bead roller or an english wheel so my stuff takes a little longer. I get there.
Bed wetters don't count.
I am looking forward to building an english wheel with you.
Hey Trev, there is no "right" way to do a repair. The end result show if it was built "right". It doesn't matter if you use the original factory dies, 2 pieces of angle iron or a hammer and wood block, the less equipment you use the more talent you use. Thank you for all the great and useful videos you have made and will make in the future they are very helpful and encouraging to many people.
Amazing Trev great video so informative your skills come shinning through as do many of the other people who show how to overcome obstacles To restore our heritage my partner's name comes up but I'm Dean and admire your skills love what you have done to your Bedford CA Van well done fella
Do you ever think about stowing away on a freighter and coming over to the good ole US? I would think that it would be a lot easier for you to run your own business here. I believe that our tax rate is much lower and the business is great if you are in the right location. I think that you would succeed here easily. I am staying busy and you are on a whole different level than I am. With your skill set and people skills, you would be unstoppable!!! Thanks again for the great videos and all of the bumps on your head that you kept me from getting on mine.
sheet metal handbook by ron fournier was my first inspiration. i want that william longyard book on english wheels. i have his book on power hammers. metalworking is so fun, everybody can do woodworking on some level, but metalworking -- not so much.
Ron is fantastic i am pritty sure by now you might have seen some more fabulous guys from the states and Oz as well ive worked next to some amazing fabrication guys when I just painted they taught me some amazing thing and these old guys I gravitated to lo jerry killpatrick is amazing in making tools that you would pay thousands for
Your a bit like me was working in crash repairs. But did not like much so moved to devon worked in small body shops then for my self to then yes you said it baby's and suff.now whant do more old suff now as love it . Have worked on vws old stuff mines simiters.panted buses.cars camper Van's Van's horse boxes like you did.need a work shop now in devon to re start but to pricey. I will get back to it I hope have as so done a mgb mg midget. But never made alot off panals hope to do so.now allso work as bmw london and ford and Volvo. But did not like them love older stuff sorry for the essay.
That was great hammer work I've had to make similarly complex panels I would have made a hard wood form and press it out with my 20 ton shop press it would have took a bit longer but very similar results
I would love to watch a video with better content from any of the 13 moppets that press dislike button. Thanks Trev for all the hard work
Now Trev, don't take this the wrong way but I always look forward to your outtro. It's such a cool track :)
You shouldn’t call it an English wheel. To you it should just be a wheel, like in China it’s not chinese food, it’s just food 😜
Trev, Ron Covell has his own channel on UA-cam, that would be a good complement to the book and the section of that pedal car section with Ron Covell.
So you got into it ......by accident 😉
Top video,s keep on making them . As I have just got I to making and shaping metal too . Regards Mark
I've been looking at your videos for some time now, and found them very inspirational and informative.
But this is the first video that I felt like I got to know a little more of the man behind the skills...
It amazed me how much, we have in common in our life and work experiences, even though I'm from all the way in Caribbean islands of Trinidad &Tobago..
Keep up the good work.. great videos.
Thanks for your comments Sunil, they mean a lot to me. Cheers Trev 👍
some great points made there Trev. i'm just about to start restoring a beetle..making my own panels would be my preferred direction. i'll be binge watching all your videos on this lockdown :)
BITS AND BOBS ARE GOOD IF YOU ARE HUNGRY I READ THAT BOOK THAT TRADE WILL TAKE THE LIFE OUT OF YOU I AM 69 YEARS OLD TODAY I CAN BAREIY WALK NERVE DAMAGE STILL LOVE WORKING ON CARS SLOW AND STEADY I WORKED FOR MERCEDES AS A PAINTER FOR 11 YEARS THEN I STARTED TO GET SICK STARTED TO WALK SLOW AT 58 YEARS OLD STOP WORKING HERE I BE ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND BONDO GOOD DAY I KNOW MY CAP ARE STUCK AGAIN
Nice vid man. I should pick up some literature.
Make your English wheel bound to be popular!
Nice video. If you love what your doing you will never work a day in in your life.
Feeling like Christmas, surprised to find another episode.
More singing mate. Ya sure belted it out on that sill plate video.
could you please list the books in the description?
What a great video. Thank you for your sharing.
Off to wet the bed. PS: loved the Lambretta
Great video!
Not the first time I’ve watched it either. 😂🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀
I’ve learned so much from you.
That’s heaps for all your efforts.
Thank you ☺️
I thought you had a shrinking and stretching machine
When saw the thumbnail image I thought that you'd begun fabricating your own AK-47 magazines...
😂
Like Derek from vice grip garage says. If it works, is it really a bad idea? I just subscribed and am looking forward to more vids from this channel.
Hey thanks 😊
When I was a bit of a tear ass in my car and bent it up I loved going to the repair shop in Westfield, Somerset. Mk 1 Cortina days. The owner Les was a great man and he allowed me to hang around until he started to let me use some of the kit. Loved using gas welder to stick on the odd wing or rear quarter. Doing it for love is one thing but doing it for a living is a different matter. At 71 I love what you do. Your blog's are pitched just right. How anyone can tell you your doing it wrong is definitely a bed wetter. I am adding Einstein to your second name. You say you were always looking for time and space well he had a thing about this too but he called it Space-time. I am trying to sus your accent. Are you a westo. North Somerset am I. Take care.
Thanks for your comments they are most welcome. I’m from Gloucestershire 👍
You sir are truly amazingly talented
keep on hammering, nice vid. good books..... ; )
Where Can I get one of your scooters from and what thickness of steel are you using in this video?
BTW I watched your videos to help me prep and finish my pickup - so thank you!
Simon Coleman I haven’t actually built any scooters to sell for many years mainly due to lack of time. The thickness is .9mm, I’m glad to have helped 👍 regards Trev
Trev
I don’t have a bead roller. Is it possible to do with a pan brake? I have a van where a similar panel (with step on both sides) supports the side wall. Luckily it’s only curved in one direction. As there’s a step on both edges would I need to make in parts and join later? I do have shrinker stretchers. Great vid. Pete
Poyda Poyderson if your panel step is in a straight line then yes 👍
Hello trece hlw are you, i like so much your videos, but honestly for sheetmetal welding for you qhats the best?? Mig or tig?? I have just onñy mig and im try to welding, im using with out gas, but i thing will work better with gas, but i dont k ow how is the experience with tig, can you share your experience, ore where is the best fot tig and where is the best for mig
Ricardo Jimenez I have done some TIG welding videos 👍 TIG is best 👍
I have a challenging part to make, in fact I simply can't do it. It is very similar to this but with a tighter radius and made in alloy. they are door corners and have 2 steps in them. I was told to make make them in T0 and treat them to T42 when formed.
Originally I think they will have been made in a press en-masse..........any tips?
Betty Swollocks if the panels are quite small making a press maybe fairly simple. Did you see my model lambretta? Small presses and mostly pressed out using a vice. Bottle jacks make excellent pressing rams. Cheers Trev 👍
@@trevsblog I never saw the Lammy video but will take a look, thanks.
I wish it was possible to add images in youtube comments. Looking at the door corner head on they would be about 5" square, they also have a steady curve on them :/
My next option was what this guy has done, worth a watch if you have not seen it before.
ua-cam.com/video/xw5yEMsDxR8/v-deo.html
nice informal chat about life
Great video, thanks!
Sus videos son altamente atrapantes. Este video en particular tiene la traducción en los subtitulos, así que pude verlo de principio a fin. Muchas gracias por compartir cual fue un poco su fuente de inspiración y y porque hace lo que hace.
Thank you 😊
I've still got the David Gardiner DVD on metal shaping which is fascinating to watch and I also had the Ron Covell DVDs which were also great, sadly not much of the skills demonstrated by them made it into my work lol
Hi Trev, what's the title of Ron's book, great bids keep them coming
jason evans ultimate sheet metal fabrication 👍
Thanks for the great video
Love your work and advice.
Hello from the Hunter Valley, Australia (Isolated at home, out in the country away from the virus). I'm recently retired and have been waiting for this part of my life when I have the time to repair my cars. I own a 1959 MGA with dents and no rust, a 1950 Riley which has had the roof torn off it, bought from the rubbish tip for $15, a 1963 Daimler V8 (same as a MII Jaguar) with rust issues and several other old cars, mostly in pretty reasonable condition. I have collected these cars as the became available over the past 25 years to restore in my retirement. I have played with cars all of my life, but since the advent of UA-cam have learned so much about body repair and fabrication. I just wanted to say thank you for your instruction and explanation as you have made clear to me now, why in the past my repairs were not as good as I would liked. Knowledge and understanding of why metal reacts the way it does, instruction on procedures which enable a required outcome will make my job so much easier and satisfying. So, thank you for the demonstrations, the skills and knowledge you pass on to me for free, as I certainly could not afford to pay for it and I really appreciate it. All the best, stay safe and thank you. PS: My next job is also to build a shed to work in. I have so much stored, it has taken up all of my work area Lol...
Wonderful down in the weeds tutorial on bead roller out of the box use as well as defining the critical path of which bend first. I learn something new every posting.
Loved the Trev back story, relatable to me own on some level.
You probably know of Wray Schelin in Massachusetts, US.
BTW: just a thought and of course subject to your Gov restrictions and your own risk assessment; this could be boom conditions for a food van. Health certificate perhaps?
You might have no idea how much help you provide for absolute beginners. Thanks allot! btw those lambrettas and actual dyes, WOW now that is some next level stuff, just amazing.
Hey, Trev. Is there anyway to see a list of all of your blogs? Do you have a DVD for sale?
Very straightforward Ed if you click on my channel name and select videos, you will see a list of all of my videos starting from the most recent. Cheers Trev 👍
Hi Trev, sounding a bit under the weather, hope its just a common cold and thank you so much for this video. I have asked around and searched everywhere I could think over the last few years[!] to work out how to make a repair for the windscreen scuttle that has very awkward compound / reverse curves and a flange etc, your video has inspired me on how I can start to make it [using my 'Trev's Blog' UA-cam hammers of course!!] Thank you so much and keep the videos coming, they really are invaluable
Hi Trev, enjoyed the video. A book that inspired me many years ago was “Metal Fabricators Handbook “ by Ron Fournier, HP books, also worthwhile is “Sheet metal handbook “ by Ron Fournier, HP books, and “Performance Welding” by Richard Finch, Motorbooks Power Tech series. Thanks, all the best.