[1w] CSX Q676 Stalls with Four Engines, Delaying Trains, Elberton - Hull GA, 01/24/2016 ©mbmars01
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2016
- Just one day after the Q616 debacle between Carlton GA and Elberton GA (watch here: • [1u] Full Story of CSX... ), today Q676 stalled in the same section at a hill, although it had four engines. Other trains such as Q194, Q675, and a transfer consist were delayed. Enjoy this video in HD! [© 2016 MBMARS Productions. Exclusive rights for UA-cam channel "mbmars01" only.]
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As a Locomotive Engineer with 25 years experience I can assure you that he did not fall down for lack of power. Unless his trailing power was dead-in-tow. 2 AC 44's will man handle 143 cars.
YOU are right, if they can get the train moving!I used to work for csx, and I told the engineer to tell the foreman to give us a trio of sd40-2s. We had a189 car heavy freight train heading north from Dothan to montgomery,Alabama. We tried a trio of ac 4400s, but only got as far as brundidge, Alabama before I smelled what was a TRACTION MOTOR burning. We had to stop and put out the fire, and wait for the trio of sd40-2s to come. First, we disconnected the ge locomotives from the train ,and put them in the siding, and shut down the others. We secured them and was told that a southbound train would pick them up in 45 minutes. after we got the trio of sd40 2s, we had to push the train back down the grade, and then leave town. We throttled up in Notch 8, with all three ends on line. as we we were now moving, not one of these units gave us any trouble.and soon ,in 10 minutes, we reached track speed of 45mph. We were late getting to Birmingham, but I will tell you this, those sd40-2s got us to our destination in three hours. Onse we climbed the grade in troy,Alabama. We had to throttle back to notch three, and those three emds proved that they could do the job because, they have the lower gear ratio, giving them a higher TRACTIVE EFFORT than the ge units have.
Fantastic stuff again! Really enjoy hearing the radio chatter as well.
+csxcw44ac Appreciated, many thanks!
Since I could walk and still do love trains.
Nice spot with sparse traffic and room to park, film and be legal! Sweet spot.
Love the videos, keep em coming!
That's true, that's why I like that spot. It can be somewhat too busy during rush hours as this is an industrial area. Thanks! Great you like them.
Excellent, as always. Thanks.
+Graham Rawlings Thank you!
Awesome video, once again great quality videos!
+Shaun Chisholm Many thanks, I'm happy you enjoyed watching it.
Love your channel from Ireland 🇮🇪
Awesome, greetings back to Ireland! The channel has many fans there, which is cool.
I love the sound of horns echoing
I know! They really sound great in some areas here.
Even my mac vibrates when the train passes at 3:00. Great vid.
Lol, awesome. Good you like the video :)
Fantastic day rail fanning i would take the chance to say. What i noticed about Q-194 Stack Train, was all the J B Hunt trailers and Schrieffer trailers.. I used to ride along in a J B Hunt truck with my cousin, paid $35.00 a month to pay for insurance to cover J B Hunt , for whatever for my ride along. Did that from July 1997 to August 2002. It marvels me to see all those loads being deprived drivers for OTR loads where the drivers make their money. My cousin was making .42 cents a mile back then, and on average he had 3500 miles per week, good money. Times are a changing for us all. Superb video capturing you always seem to get the best of the best.
This is very interesting. I didn't know how the trucking business works, but I figure it's not an easy life. 3500 miles a week is crazy. Messing around with all these car drivers on the road, day by day, must be an awful experience, even if the payment doesn't sound bad. It is also so frustrating when chasing a train lol.
It's tough on the trucker but great for the highways, fuel consumption and pollution. Yep. Times are a-changing
Pass by any rest stop on I-35 in Texas around dawn and you'll see so many trucks that the parking lot is full and the ingress/egress lane is also full. The more trucks on the backs of rail cars the better I like it, plus it stops pollution and helps unclog our highways and byways.
Most of us OTR truckers make about $0.60 a mile now. But we don't roll 3500 anymore. They took away our paper logs. Now we got a box on the dash that tells us were tired when we're not.
Hallo mbmars 01 .Tolles Video in bild und Ton ,die 3 Loks arbeiten schön in den Federn !
+Werner Sievers Danke!
the units on that transfer were really rocking eh
Awesome video my friend.
+chris shoulders I'm glad you liked it!
Good Stuff MB !!
Cool, thanks.
After watching many of your videos, the story line with the CSX is this: their trains are too long and their power is too little, or so it appears.
Much has changed since on this CSX sub. Problems like the one documented in this video are rare nowadays.
I agree. CSX seems to have serious continuing issues with stalled trains and poor allocation of locomotives, which costs money and inconvenience to many people. That said, an engineer would know that these things may happen and should be pro active, making sure the right horse power is there for the job. Not just driving off and hoping that everything will be OK. That is simply stupidity. This is one example of why American railways are laughed at in all other countries in the developed world. Can't do a simple job from getting from A to B without an incident that could have been avoided.
phillyslasher
Well said.
@phillyslasher Yeah, I don't know a lot about trains, but I'm sure there's much more that goes into making them run well than what that douchebag said.
Not surprising at all, all GE Junkamotives.
How many wagons are on that train?
Csx: “pulling one ton of freight nearly 500 miles on a single gallon of fuel”
Me: you need more pooooowweeeeer. Also your train stalled.
Some like it lol
That CSX AC6000CW is my friend! 😊
Lol :)
great video. thanks for sharing
+Thomas Wheat Many thanks!
+mbmars01 lol another stalling. nice video.
Believe it or not, today there was another one broken down in the same part of the Abbeville Sub.
Did u get it on video
+kevin butler No, wish I had! It was an insane day on the Abbeville Sub today, but I didn't have time to go out.
GD COMCAST AND THE HUMP BACK CAMEL IT CAME INTO THIS WORLD ON
I seem to have missed the part where a train stalls.
24:00
There's a red signal...lol...
Guess I missed it too !
Stall I think he was talking about his Prius the night before
You all need to read the sub title at 2:24.
How do they figure the axel number on trains? what caused the shut down or stall? thanks for a good video.
I guess there is a loop under the track at the defect detector and by electromagnetic induction an axle going over it induces a current in the circuit. The detector "gets confused" if the train is too slow (which makes perfect sense because the amount of induced current depends on speed). The train stalled because of icy tracks uphill. Cool, glad you like the video.
Could it be that the trains are just too heavy and the calculations for appropriate power were wrong?
Thanks for the info; if I keep watching these train videos I just might learn enough about trains to dangerous
Ah I see they snuck in a CW60AC. Nice catch!
Yea, those were the times when one could still catch an AC60 on CSX.
From a viewer in the UK - can you please advise why sometimes the headlights are flashing then are off and sometimes just steady -Thanks
CSX and NS locos always flash their ditch lights at railroad crossings and when start moving out of a full stop. The engineer typically turns the lights off when meeting another train in a siding, to not to blind the other engineer. The normal operational mode is to have all lights on, but not flashing.
How many of these engines are running?
Snoopy! Much enjoyed the trains too. I was surprised at much the 2 trailing engines of the 3 were swaying in the transfer.
Thank you! Oh well, it's the track. Old story...
So CSX engineers only use their headlights when they feel like it?
Lol, of course not. They simply forgot to turn on the lights.
Yeah I am waiting too
One would think that four engines would be enough horsepower to get it over the hill.
it's taking its time due to such a very heavy load
I suspect that horsepower/tractive effort had nothing to do with the stall but rather given the fact it was quite hot at the location at the time and given the fact the units were likely under a reasonably heavy workload for extended periods of time the cooling systems of the locomotives more then likely started to fall behind a bit. This consequently causing the units to overhead slightly when in turn would lead to the units beginning to derate there horsepower output to reduce the load on the cooling system to allow it to catch up. The problem being if a train is riding the line with the HP to weight ratio needed to make a climb then that derating of power can cause a stall. It's easy to fix though as simply allowing the units time to cool down will allow them to work at there full performance once again. Hence why the train was able to restart and carry on again unassisted by any other power. One could argue maybe a unit was having issues loading or staying online but I would bet money it was a derating related issue. I work for UP and have seen similar circumstances over the years.
You can only use 3 of them though. One of those is just along for the ride
How did the four engine break the stall without help? One of these locomotives not running?
I honestly don't remember. Sometimes it helps to put sand under the drivers, or roll back a mile and try it again with more "oomph".
Are train radio frequencies universal, and what are they if so?
No, each line has its own set of frequencies.
I looked through the comments.. are all of your fans from Germany? 140 cars is normal! Nice video, I subbed.
Lol, I know I have friends in Germany, but most of the comments sound rather American English to me ;) Thanks, appreciated!
So? We do speak English, you know! It is mandatory from 6th grade here.
Excellent.
Hi.
How long was Q194 delayed at this signal? Great video as always
If it's not mentioned in the video, I don't remember it anymore. At least an hour. Thanks!
Wowwww 2:35 to 6:14 vagons 140+ with 4 Lokos...
142 actually.
Side shots where the train is too fast to focus on the logo & reporting marks mean you are too close.
I love the video but why would give a stall top billing without having even 1 second of the stalled train?
The region, where the train stalled is inaccessible. I always wanted to railfan this area, but no chance.
We need a better word than "stall". If a train stalls on a grade, how is it able to get going again without help?
Slipped to a stand is a nice turn of phrase. We use that here in the UK.
"Slipped to a stand". I like that.
Trains are everywhere in your location.
Wellll... One really has to find them at times.
Red over solid green, is that a limited clear signal indication?!?’v
It’s the “diverging clear” indication. On this line it typically means that a train is clear to proceed on the side track of a siding.
What kind of radio is the best for listening in? Great video!!!!
Thanks! I nowadays use a Uniden BC125AT scanner with a Smiley antenna, which is okay.
Cool. Good to know
Hey Mbmars01 what is the Defect Detector used for?
It identifies hot wheels and dragging equipment.
Did he forget to put his lights back on?
In regards to Q194 yes the engineer simply forgot to turn the nose lights back on. I work for UP and have done it a few times over the years as well. It was to light outside for him to take notice of the fact the lights were off. The ditch lights blink when the horn is blow regardless of if they are turned on or not but only blink for around 10 seconds until they return to there prior state which if they are turned off then they simply turn back off again as they did in this video. Had they been actually turned on manually then after blinking they would return to twin steady beams.
8:58 "Power Dancers" 👍
Awesome video...you always do a great job. I noticed Q194 didn't have his headlights on, guess he forgot to switch them on when he powered up on the main track. I wonder if the rules call for headlights at crossings? Anyone know?
+Steve Auld Thank you! It's funny that you observed the forgotten headlights. I actually tried to tell the engineer, when the train stopped at Howie, yet he didn't understand me (the engines made too much noise). I don't know if there are rules for headlights at crossings, but I would guess that the headlights must be on anyways whenever the engine moves. At least, I have never seen them off if not forgotten to be turned on.
Maybe 4 upfront and 2 Mid train. Those transfer engines rocking over that NE Hull Siding crossing track, needs some track maintenance right there.
The train has been abolished about two years ago. Nowadays, trains are rarely of that size here on this line.
So why does it stall or go into emergency so much?
There are many grades along the line and sometimes the trains just don't make it "over the hill", particularly during the winter.
That was a Jb hunt engineer
Why did you zoom out?I was counting the cars!
26:32. Interesting they don't put a loaded gondola car between the locomotives and the steel plate to protect their assets if the head end were to derail or stop violently. That stuff is like a horizontal guillotine.
You make a very good point. Most of these flat cars loaded with metal sheets or beams have actually a bulkhead on both sides to prevent the loads from sliding off the cars in the direction of train motion.
Csx under powered for sure
I suspect that horsepower/tractive effort had nothing to do with the stall but rather given the fact it was quite hot at the location at the time and given the fact the units were likely under a reasonably heavy workload for extended periods of time the cooling systems of the locomotives more then likely started to fall behind a bit. This consequently causing the units to overhead slightly when in turn would lead to the units beginning to derate there horsepower output to reduce the load on the cooling system to allow it to catch up. The problem being if a train is riding the line with the HP to weight ratio needed to make a climb then that derating of power can cause a stall. It's easy to fix though as simply allowing the units time to cool down will allow them to work at there full performance once again. Hence why the train was able to restart and carry on again unassisted by any other power. One could argue maybe a unit was having issues loading or staying online but I would bet money it was a derating related issue. I work for UP and have seen similar circumstances over the years.
I wonder if that locomotives needs new ( Front ) Head lights?
In regards to Q194 the headlights are fine. The engineer simply forgot to turn the nose lights back on. It was to light outside for him to take notice of the fact the lights were off. The ditch lights blink when the horn is blow regardless of if they are turned on or not but only blink for around 10 seconds until they return to there prior state which if they are turned off then they simply turn back off again as they did in this video. Had they been actually turned on manually then after blinking they would return to twin steady beams.
7:40 what are transfer units?
I believe they are just units being transferred between yards to move consists at another location
ohhhhhh ok, i get it
what I wood like know how do thay macke the trains up thay are sow long
With a large switching yard that can be up to 100 or more tracks wide. My father worked for the railroad when I was young and took me up in the tower where most of the switching was done. they rolled the cars over the hill and it could be routed to any of many tracks as it coasted. Brakes were on the tracks that actually squeezed the wheels to slow them down before they connected to other cars.
Reguardless what you might have been told one engine per train all others are power units.
WHY MUST YOU KEEP MOVING THE CAMERA?! IM TRYING TO COUNT THE FREIGHT CARS!
who? does not want to wear the ribbon?
26:50 Where is the steel plate coming from? I see quite a bit of it in your videos.
Do you mean the centerbeam cars? These are used to transport lumber.
Nope. There is quite a bit of steel slab and plate on the flat cars and probably coil in those covered cars. Were is that stuff coming from? Import steel or someone exporting? In many of your videos I see steel as a cargo. But as I don't know your regional layout (although I do google the locations) I don't really know which direction is export and which is import.
I would think most of the steel transports have a domestic origin/destination, but I cannot tell you where the steel that you see in the videos comes from or goes to. There is definitely not much heavy industry in the area closest to where I mostly railfan, but maybe there is in Atlanta. I don't know.
mbmars01 Thx . Great videos no matter.
Totally a guess....but there is a huge US Steel facility in Birmingham near this location
I thought 3 number units where slugs. ? Or is that a different railroad company’s policy. 🤔
No, there's no such policy. CSX road engines can have 1, 2, 3, or 4 digits.
12:33
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...most rails in the US seem to be in a sad state, unsafe for higher speeds. This is due to companies, taking the profits for the shareholders, not to maintain and upgrade rails!WHERE DO THE 4 ENGINES STALL???
They stalled at a location that is not accessible, but it's a single-track line and that caused major delays for other trains as far as I remember.
Railroads in North America invest heavily in maintenance and upgrade. You have absolutely no idea wtf you are talking about. Did you bother even to research just a little bit before you betrayed your ignorance?
The Burlington Northern Santa Fe line that runs by the farm is kept in excellent condition. East/West trains are always highballin' when they pass.
@C David
Oh yes, thats for sure.... It only doesnt look like it. If you search for videos with content showing this heavy maintenance content you mostly find videos, where a bunch of gandydancers with a herd of tiny two-axle MOW-vehicles are pulling spikes and changing old and rotten wooden sleepers......
You may be lucky and find some videos which at first glance look like they've really invested and bought big track-laying machines. Then you see that most of it is TRT909, which was constructed in the last century around 1970 and whose only update was maybe a few pails of paint.
Videographers love to use their zoom. That's nice, because then you can see the track positions very well. Example at 20:02 ......
Do not worry, I know pretty well what modern track renewal trains look like and how they work. And I know how they make a straight and level track with a decent tamper and a proper gravel plow. By the way - a one-tie-tamper today is a machine for special applications such as switches and level crossings, etc., but not for the track. That starts neatly with a 3-tie-continuous tamping and consolidation machine.....
Many Americans seem to believe that what they do and how they do it is world-class and no-one can do it better than they do, and they think MOW technology, as in the following video, is "state of the art". The video is from 2016 ........
NS Maintenance of Way Equipment - ua-cam.com/video/PUZZDauiIRk/v-deo.html
I'm really wondering where is the heavy investment in maintenance? Where do they put all that money?
Every locomotive builder who wants to deliver locomotives for the American market has to fulfill at least one condition: The locomotives need to cope with the below-average quality of the track ... What do you think, why is that a prerequisite?
@@pearlyhumbucker9065 I'm thinking 233,000 miles of track in the USA has something to do with maintenance. That's about 375,000 kilometers.
There are only about 655,000 miles of active railroad track in the whole world. That's a lot.
Click bait! No stalled train in this video.
Norman McGill obviously your not payin attention.at 24:00.click ahead
@@sharonrivers1347 thats a red signal...I guess the trained Q676 stalled up ahead and we dont see it or...? what are we missing! even if thats the stalled train @24:00 it doesnt have 4 engines and isnt q676
I counted 146 cars. OMG
Trains can be 200+ cars long here.
GE’s that is way they can’t pull that hill
If I was a trucker I'd be pissed off with all that freight on the train
Smart man.
CSX C40-8W Pulls a Freight Train to America.
That should be pretty easy to do given the fact that these locomotives are already IN America lol...
What do you mean? They are already IN America..
Me: hello CSX AC6000CW! 👋
AC6000CW: hey! How are you?
Me: I am feeling bad because you are not used anymore😭
AC6000CW: don't worry Derrick, calm down I will still come back to life, pray for me and have a great day!
Me: I will pray for you and you too have a great day!
Lol :)
@@mbmars01 😂
Stalling? Why is there a red signal ahead if it's stalling? Perhaps it's stopping for that red signal? lol...
That would be too easy... lol
CSX Q676
CSX 577 = AC4000CW - YN3
CSX 498 = AC4000CW - YN2
CSX 5438 = ES44AC - YN3
CSX 638 = AC6000CW - YN2
5438 is a ES40DC
Why isnt there any nuclear powered locomotives ?
Q194 doesn't seem to be very hot, at least not like Q192 used to be. I don't see any UPS trailers on Q194, I guess NS has all of that business for Alexandria, Va. and New Jersey.
Well, Q192 is currently reactivated on this line, but everything else but hot. You're right, NS seems to dominate the intermodal traffic in that area.
The Snoopy graffiti looked really cool.
It really did and I chased this train only because of it lol.
We dont have CSX here, We have BNSF
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Thanks :)
They should've called U.P. and had them send Big Boy.
The traction of the Big Boy would probably have helped more; however, the Gevos have already enough power.
clickbait...no stalled train
It's the story about a stalled train and the consequences it had. Doesn't this count? :)
The train didn't stall
This is very poor camera operation this is the quickest way to ruin a very beautiful video!
10:20
Person: how big yall is?
Person 2: 6200 feet
i'd love to work with that person by the way they talk xD
Lol.
@sw4414
So y'all is ok wit dem talkin' like hillbilly ignorant yokels is yew? Yew mus be a maga man? 😉🤤😲
thats a very long train. the trains these days are just too long and heavy. anything to cut costs.
... and CSX is considering making them even longer. However, there isn't much mixed-freight traffic through here anymore.
seems america needs legislation to cap load, the amount of trailers on that is insane.