Parenting Advice: -Do not abandon your children. -Do not abuse your children. -Do not betray your children. -Do not embarrass your children. -Do not exploit your children. -Do not ignore your children. -Do not spoil your children. Make sure you raise your children both your daughters and your sons with compassion, discipline, & responsibility period.
What I find interesting about Zuko's betrayal is that it makes more sense the more you analyse it. For one, Zuko was FORCED to accept his new modest lifestyle, which is extra screwed because Iroh had transitioned from a mostly apathetic dude that allowed Zuko to do whatever he wanted to now his second dad that controls him and yet acts like he gave Zuko a choice. While Iroh had good intentions, he forgot the fact that while Zuko obviously loved Iroh, he still loved Ozai and wanted to confront him to determine if his father truly loved him or not. Also, Zuko was being pressured into becoming Iroh's ideal son , which causes Zuko to have a breakdown and start acting like non-Zuko. That's bad enough, but what makes it worse is that Iroh didn't recognise how UNHEALTHY that was, which would bite his and the Gaangs ass later. So Iroh gives Zuko the talk about "what do you want," yet the truth is that by the time Iroh and Zuko got to Ba Sing Se, Iroh was FORCING Zuko to become the "idealised son" that he believed Zuko to be deep down. This is why Azula succeeding at convincing Zuko to switch sides, makes more sense because Iroh, in fact, didn't want to believe/didn't know who Zuko really is: a proud prince of royalty and his nation that had strong emotional ties and fears with his family who couldn't sit with a modest lifestyle for the rest of his life and never be able to confront his emotional fears about his father and whatever ties they still had. Azula understood that perfectly. Ironically, Azula is the only one who ACTUALLY asks Zuko what he really wants and doesn't ignore/does understand Zuko's dark side.
But it does not excuse his betrayal. Azula lied to Zuko before. Zuko seen what Fire nation did to the world, and seen Katara's pain. You would think he would have developed an immunity from Azula's manipulation. Azula should be the last person on Earth he has to listen especially given how Azula deceived him at the beginning of season 2.
@AndalusianPhilosopher is funny because Azula lies to Zuko far less than to everyone else, and even when he believes that she only lies, he still always follows her lead
azula *asks* zuko what he wants, but it's pretty obviously a lie. "you are free to choose", she says, while knowing that she has dozens of dai lee agents on the way. he wasn't free to choose at all. if he'd chosen anything other than azula's side, he would've wound up in prison with iroh or dead. if she actually, truly cared about zuko, she would've told him about the dai lee and said you can join me or you can flee to give him a chance. his betrayal isn't supposed to be the right choice. he understand *why* he made the choice that he did, but it's only something he needs to earn redemption for if, with the information he had at the time, he knew it was wrong, and still chose azula. and the information that he had was that azula is a manipulator and a liar, azula had the entire dai lee on her side, azula has repeatably tried to kill him, the fire nation is destroying the world with its war, and iroh has only ever tried to help him while ozai and azula have done anything but. he makes the wrong choice because he's never been able to come face to face with what he's already come to know deep down about the fire nation and his family. but it's still wrong. and iroh should've been more understanding about the tea shop and apartment, but he was exactly right when zuko escalated things after that. being understanding is for when you're NOT throwing yourself into a war and you are singlehandedly able to influence which way it turns. it was long past time for iroh to stand up and tell zuko straight that he knew chasing the avatar was wrong, and allowing zuko to just continue aimlessly doing so would've handed the war to ozai.
@@heathersmith4042if Zuni chose to go against Azusa he Iroh and Team avatar would still be more than a match for Azula and Dai Li. So there is no guarantee that he would end up dead or imprison. Iron by himself managed to do quite well when holding off Dai Li and protecting Katara who held dead Aang in her arms.
It's more that Iroh didn't realise Zuko NEEDED to go back, after seeing the impact of the war, experiencing things emotionnally, un order to witness how wrong things were in the fire nation. The betrayal was necessairy to his act
Abusive Childhood (Bad Parenting) 3 Deadly Consequences: -(Least Worst Outcome): They would suffer from post traumatic stress disorder for the rest of their life to the time they die because of their childhood abuse, even when they grow up to be healthy normal adults. -(Second Worst Outcome): They are most likely to commit suicide because it is literally hard for them to accept their childhood abuse. -(Worst Outcome): They are mostly like to transform into monsters and commit violent crimes by harming innocent people & spending the rest of their life in prison until they die. (Parents both fathers and mothers must raise their children both their daughters & their sons with compassion, discipline, & responsibility for the safety of our society period.)
I will never understand why people say she chose to be this way or like this other comment here just called her pure evil. Azula is still in denyal that her mother loves her and that has been made clear a couple of times. Jesus, she even has mental breakdowns over her hallucinations telling her that her mom loves her 🤦♀️ Ursa went and changed her whole identity and erased all memory of her children and when Azula had her up against the wall this (technically) RANDOM woman apologized for not loving her enough and that one sentence had her crying again 🤦♀️ Evil? Or just confused about what actual love would feel like? Because Ozai surely didn't love her and it completely threw her off once she became aware of it. I hope her new comics do her justice. I don't even want her to turn "good" all of a sudden but at least give her a peace of mind and the realization of the abuse that she went through...
I honestly blame Sozin for starting this entire insanity and suffering in the first place which later corrupted his descendants all the way till Azula. The very first Firelord was an amazing heroic noble man that brought the clans together which later became the Fire Nation and he defended his nation until his death. From the first Firelord till Sozin’s father, the Fire Nation were living in peace until his son Sozin ruined everything and started the 100 year war which lead to some parts of the Earth Kingdom being colonized & enslaved, it lead to the Air Nomad genocide, it lead to the waterbenders of the Southern Water Tribe being taken as prisoners, & what is even more shocking it lead to the dragon genocide, absolutely disgusting, mind blowing, & pure evil.
People who say that Azula is irredeemable but still like Zuko and Iroh are the worst kind of hypocrites. Zuko in particular was given multiple chances and a long time to change his perspective and even chose wrong at the end of S2, then sent a hitman to kill Aang before eventually coming to terms. Azula was given precisely ZERO chances yet people still write her off.
Thing is she never showed a shred of decency. Zuko showed a sense of right and honor showing some good in him. Azula is a entitled, egottistical tyrant that only seeks to control and abuse others. Shes written off because she has no inherit good seemingly in her and its obvious she would not change if given the chance. She has had chances to show decency but how she recruits her freind, the acrobatic one i forget her name, and not once shows remorse or anything like it yea she would not change. She loved the praise from her father and hurting others physically or emotionally. She had plenty of chances to do something. She could of held back in the hunt at times, she could of done a good deed and so on but she never did. From objecting to the generals sacrificing soldiers , which got him scarred, to saving the town in the earth kingdom knowing it would cost him zuko showed he had a good heart under it all. Azula never showed it once.
@@aclevername7613 Did we watch the same show? Evidently you have not seen it in a long time since you can't even remember Ty Lee's name yet you still write this long article arguing. You say she could have held back from the hunt, why would she do that? It's clear from what Ozai did to Zuko that any misstep from his children results in horiffic physical abuse. Secondly, how whould she know that helping the Avatar is good? She has been indoctrinated her whole life to see the Avatar as the enemy, from her perspective she is the hero, saving her nation from the evil Avatar. Finally, what you say about her never showing remorse is just flat-out wrong, she shows remorse twice, once in The Beach and one in the finale. Please watch the show before commenting.
@@Kestrel-777 Forgetting ty lees name is a simple mistake. In regard to your point about phsyical abuse form a misstep that is wrong. It only occured once from what was seen and only to zuko. He was not harmed physically when he messed up his fire bending. So physical harm over any misstep is not the norm. As for her seeing the avatat as evil yea Zuko had the same indoctrination. He was taught the same as her and he still showed some decency goodness. Azula did not show remorse. The beach episode with the fire pit was not remorse just her manipulating them. As for the end of the show or finale again no remorse just her mental state snapping and her taking a cheap shot to cheat a win against her brother. I am not saying her enviorment was not toxic but she was not a good person and had no real goodness in her. Zuko grew up in the same house, had more reason to dislike the avatar and yet showed more humanity as a child and empathy and did the right thing in the end. She showed no real humanity or goodness in the show and again even if given a chance for redemption she would not of taken it. I think she is a fantasic villian. A really food one but shes just a villian like her father.
In her last moments in the final episode, azula doesn't think about Ozai at all. The person she thought about most was the person who hurt her the most. I don't think Ozai is entirely to blame for how azula turned out. Ursa played a huge part in damaging her daughters psychy too.
@@tjc2993She didn’t even do that on purpose though. Do you like know what her mother has been through? Not to mention she tried her best with Azula but with Ozai there is pretty hard.
Ursa was abused by Ozai (forced to marry him when Ozai threatened her current partner's life if she denied), she would have gotten herself or Zuko hurt if she interfered with Ozai's plan to make Azula a weapon of war. not to mention deep down Azula knows Ursa loved her, she just can't accept that because Ozai drilled into her the idea of empathy and trust being weakness, which are traits Ursa tries to show to Azula from the start, but it's not enough. Ozai saw her potential and praised her for being cruel, perfect, and completely loyal to him, so at that point no matter how much Ursa tried to "fix" Azula, it was too late since her father's influence made anything Ursa said seem like she was praying on her downfall (she really just wanted her daughter to have a happy, healthy childhood instead of living a life where she eventually falls apart because she was taught trust is for fools and empathy is weakness)
well as other said she learned from ozia to use fear so they feared her so they could never fully build trust. and Tylee only went with her because she was under threat so if they had been able to built trust they may have been able to help her.
@@leannasullender8482Which is azula's fault. They were childhood friends yet they couldn't trust each other 🤨. Azula has 2 good friend that understood her and stool by her even when they knew what she was doing was wrong and that she used every means to get her way even with them. When your friends can't trust you to then you are the problem. Tye lee and Mai both had horrible childhood that limited them one way or the other but they never used to it against her. Mai only cared about zuko and azula didn't even respect that. Zuko was her own brother which she always seemed to forget. The fact that Mai cares more about Azula's own brother is so sad 🥲. Ty Lee also having to leave her job which she loved because of azula almost killed for her refusal to go at first says a lot. This girl never cared for the people that loved her the most. Her father didn't love her. He loved her obedience and her likeness to him. He was a negligent parent and only cared about himself and nobody else, his wife No, his son No, his brother No and his azula especially no. Frankly azula was a terrible person. If people can excuse her terrible behavior to aang and his team, people can't be excuse her behaviour to her friends or brother. She is simply a fantastic written villain and I love her like that. Please let's stop insulting by trying to find a none existent redemption arch 😜.
@@bunmiabimbola4426 dude, she was 14 years old at the time. It's pretty obvious that azula was the problem. but it's insane to look at a 14 year old with trust issues who doesn't have any real friends and a violently abusive father and say "welp! obviously she was the problem and a terrible person!" a redemption arc isn't about excusing her behavior. zuko's redempetion arc wasn't him saying "well actually i was abused so joining azula in ba sing se was fine." a redemption arc is the character accepting their behavior was wrong, accepting that amends need to made, and making the choice to try and grow and become a better person. pointing out that she was abused doesn't make her actions okay, but it does give a *reason* for why she is beyond just "hi i'm azula and i like to be evil", the exact same reason for zuko's entire arc, and a reason that if she had a chance, maybe she could grow beyond it too.
While Azula is a victim, it doesn't excuse her actions whatsoever. So many other psychopaths, sociopaths, and serial killers were also victims. It doesn't and shouldn't excuse her actions.
@@SylviaRustyFae so? Should we give her a cookie? Even if it is taken into account the atrocities she's done will never be, and should never be forgiven.
honestly, i'm on the fence with this. sure, you're still a kid but i think every fourteen year old should understand the logistics of right and wrong. azula does seem somewhat aware that she is not acting what could be considered ethically right, given that she admitted to being a 'monster' in the beach episode ( which is also an unfortunate conditioning and misunderstanding from ursa and her intentions due to both of them being abused by ozai ). yes, she was manipulated, but ursa still tried to instill some sense of right and wrong with her. her perspective in the search comics does show her trying to still the growing fire. hell she even tried to take azula and zuko along with her to raise away from ozai ( and unfortunately, she could not do so since ozai held them as collateral, threatening their lives should she try to return for them ). stating that azula is completely the victim? it's not the way i'd put it. she's been through shit, she's been brainwashed and manipulated to hate her brother and mother, but given the fact that she has had opportunities in the comics to change but never truly took it? i can't say that she's not at fault either. saying this is like saying all those extreme bullying cases you suffer through in middle school, where the victim is seriously injured by the bully is completely for naught simply because the perpetrator is fourteen and comes from a broken home. it does not make their actions right in any way, nor does their background completely justify their wrongs. fourteen year olds are capable of being terrible people. it's not me hating kids, it's a fact because humans are like that. but then should they be completely thrown to the side? no, they should be taken to account if helping these people is a viable option. azula needs therapy, a lot of it, and she needs a way out of ozai's life. the unfortunate part is, when we see her in the series? she was probably in too deep and too far gone. discussions like these are honestly what sparks really great conversations though jhgfdfghjk.
@@lythrum2081 Out the bat... You cant just expect a 14 yr old to have those values **if no one instills such values in them** I once had a 16 or 17 yr old nearly ram me off the road bcuz he felt the need to swerve into the oncomin traffic lane and yell the F slur at me. I nearly died, as there was a cliffside next to me and i almost fell off my bike only barely catchin myself. I was 12. I dont think that douchecanoe is inherently evil. I think he has been propagandised towards and brainwashed to distrust and harass nonconformity. Without outside influences, he may stay that way, but we cant blame him esp as a teenager; bcuz his personal growth up to then is almost entirely out of his control. Its entirely at the whims of the ones who have authority over him, which can assure he cant learn how to be a decent person if they dont care about that Its the same shite here.
In my honest opinion, Azula is a pawn of a toxic environment because of her imperial native nation and her 3 toxic royal family members like her paternal great grandfather Sozin who started the 100 year war plus he is the one that brought disgrace, embarrassment, & shame to his royal family plus the Fire Nation in the first place, her paternal grandfather Azulon who continued the war, & especially her father Ozai who also continued the war plus he manipulated her as a weapon so he could selfishly rule the world as the Phoenix King. Despite all the indoctrination, lack of compassion, pain, and suffering Azula went through, I cannot trust her because she is so dangerous & so ruthless because of her constant manipulative character plus her narcissistic attitude. If her uncle Iroh can change and her brother Zuko can change, why can’t she change. I always wondered if Azula was raised in a empathetic normal family and if she grew up in a healthy positive environment, she will definitely grow up to be a decent human being period.
@@justanidiotmk2749 What I really mean is that Azula can change, but she refuses to change. Like I said before if Iroh and Zuko can change, why can’t she change.
@@justanidiotmk2749 It is possible that a lion turtle can change her, but there is only one left because they are sadly extinct. You have the energybending lion turtle, the one in “Avatar The Last Airbender.”
In my country, we have literal children - 10 to 16 year olds, running their stolen cars into Vape stores/malls... to steal. Do you know why? Then you find out the children were doomed from the start. No good role models - raised in traumatic gang influenced households, and kids in and out of juvi/youth detention or bouncing in/out of foster care. A lot were conditioned to feel accepted and be "part of the family". Azula was doomed from the start. She has no good role models whereas Zuko did. She is living in a time of war - that is generational trauma right there. Mum left/neglected Azula. Dad conditoned Azula to be a tool. No real friends as they were tied to her only by fear. The grandmas were YES men. Hence why Azula perfected her skills to receive validation from her dad - in the end, to him she was just a tool. I guess the show explains to us what positive and negative influences can have on us as children when it comes to our own trauma. This was pretty much all Azula knew, and i feel for her.
I love these kinds of breakdowns. I would also say that Azula also seems to fit the bill for someone who has a sort of Machiavellian personality disorder.
@msmarbs I did, very much. Honestly it's characters like Zuko and Azula who made me want to be a psych major. The human mind is fascinatingly complex and convoluted.
And I tell people ALL the time that Azula, while absolutely an awful person, was every bit the victim of abuse Zuko was. Not the same TYPE of abuse, but abuse all the same. Zuko was lucky enough to have Iroh to help guide him. Azula never did, so she emulated the one person she had an example from.
I specifically searched for this video and I found everything I wanted to hear, completely agree👍 I hope they wouldn't betray her image in sequels and give her redemption arch bcs irl such people unfortunately have just about 0 chance of getting on track
Thank youuu I’m delighted to hear that ❤️ You’re right when you say these type of people don’t have much of a chance of getting on track. But I like to think that anyone can be saved, maybe not psychopaths but beside them, I like to think that it’s possible. A redemption arc wouldn’t betray her if it’s done well. But if they decide to just hand her the redemption, they can keep that bs to themselves. Cause they’ll just ruin the characters. Sorry for getting back to you so late 😭 a lot of the comments keeping getting lost in all the other comments.
So, I'm not convinced shes solely the victim. Yes, shes a victim in some capacity. It's true that shes been the golden child but I feel like the conversations around Azula are very black or white. She's either a toxic pos not deserving of any sympathy or she's a total victim and therefore bares no responsibility for her actions (worse yet when people blame iroh or her mom for the way she is lmao). In my opinion, the truth lies in the middle. It's more than possible to have been abused and also to be abusive. It's totally possible she's a victim of narcissistic abuse and a narcissist herself. I find it striking that there is no mention of Ty Lee and Mai's betrayal in this. The whole reason she started to spiral was because she was betrayed by her supposed best friends. It took something happening to her personally for her to breakdown about it. How is that not a telltale sign that shes an incredibly selfish person at heart? She clearly has emotions and feelings but only when she has to personally reap the consequences of her actions. I also don't agree that Ozai was trying to toss her aside when he told her to be firelord. I have no reason to believe he was lying when he said she's the only one he could trust so she should be the new fire lord, he groomed her for the position. The thing is her father promoting her to a high position doesn't even matter anymore for her. Shes the golden child, she should be ecstatic at Ozai putting that much trust in her. Instead she cannot get out of her own head about Mai and Ty Lee. Because her ego has been majorly damaged. The two main people providing her her own constant narc supply have been removed. And Ozai alone can no longer fill that void due to how her ego now stretches outside of the realm of golden child. Ursa saying 'theres something wrong with that child' wasn't written to show that Ursa was mean and insulting Azula for no reason or really didn't love her enough (she told zuko to go play with her earlier even though zuko clearly didnt want to and she knows how mean azula can be). It's there to tell us there is something in the very Nature of Azula that is off. I interpret her mother showing up in the mirror as her subconscious correcting her false beliefs about her mother. She knows deep down that Ursa didn't think she was a monster and that Ursa loved her or at least tried her best to. But Azula is processing these situations incorrectly because shes incapable of seeing how her own actions showed a lack of empathy/humanity 'If you loved me then why did you leave' 'if you loved me then why would you protect someone like Zuko' Azula interpreted Ursa giving Zuko extra mom-son time to offset Ozai's black-sheeping meant her mother didn't love her. "Why isn't mom as proud of me like dad when I achieve great things, why does mom get angry with me when I say exactly how I feel. Why is being exactly who I am not good enough for mother but dad accepts me?" Azula shows a major lack of capacity to understand why her poor actions toward others would be off-putting, and Ozai just fuelled this more. I know it was mentioned that maybe her narcissism was learned, but the narrative doesn't really present Azula that way unless you bend over backwards to describe Ursa as a neglectful parent and Iroh as a shitty uncle. They presented it with Zuko, but Azula was consistently deemed as 'she is the way she is' which just screams shes written to be psychologically unchanging. Her fathers daughter in more ways than one. Do I think she would be more chill away from Ozai? yeah, less sadistic seeming for sure and well as some of her other more anti-social traits. But I think she would still be semi-toxic, like a mean girl, if all of the environmental factors were stripped away. Funny meta side note, apparently people have been afraid write for Azula (official comics wise) because many fans want to see her have a redemption due to this narrative of her being more a victim than a villian. Meaning there must be disagreement with what some fans want for her story and how the creators want her story to go. Someone who defends Azula a loooot on the internet who I came across once, I eventually found out and verified she knows Aaron Ehasz personally and really dislikes Bryke and its part of the reason she staunchly defends Azula. Apparently Aarons vision for Azula was closer to what you describe (a victim) but Bryke wanted Azula to remain less sympathetic (a villian). So the story could be taken both ways except for the fact that Aaron no longer gets a say due to Bryke and Aaron splitting over the creative differences at the end of ATLA. So those comic writers are afraid to piss off fans with more evil azula narrative, I suspect. This is also why I feel Azulas situation is a bit of both victim and villian rather than totally one or the other.
she is a victim, but she also has done horrible things. as long as she doesn't understand what she did is wrong, she can't be redeemed. just like ozai who likely was raised similarly to azula, who never seems to see the wrong in his actions. the difference is with azula we see how the little influence her mother had broke her, after the final agni kai she broke down because all she wanted was love, but ozai had raised her on conditional love her entire life. she knows ursa loved, and thats what breaks her, she cant understand why her mother still loved her even when she wanted to correct the behavior ozai was praising, she doesn't understand the concept of unconditional love
Well no shite, she's 14 and clearly brainwashed by fire nation propaganda and her own upbringin where she spent her whole childhood tryin to impress her father The key diff between her and Zuko is that Zuko is 2 yrs older and has a mentor who actually loves and cares about him and wants to do whatevs he can to help Zuko heal from the same traumatic upbringing. That and Zuko is four yrs into his journey when the story begins, meanin that was four yrs of bein away from his abuser and four yrs of bein able to start to see things thru his own perspective and not a warped one instilled in him by propaganda and the fatherlords lies Ofc Zuko is gonna be way further along in his healin journey, unlike his little sister
People also forget that while Iroh and Zuko were generally good people, they still suffered under their nations propaganda and harboured imperlistic beliefs. Like Iroh in Universe was under the thrall of the Fire Nation for DECADES and only changed when he suffered a personal loss, Zuko, who, despite being Ozai's punching bag for years STILL believed that his father loved him and that he was doing him right by teaching him through suffering. So why is it OK that Iroh and Zuko, both older members of the family, can be recognised for their humanity and not be held for scrutiny for not realising early on that their nation was wrong and yet Azula, the youngest member who was abused into becoming Ozai's golden child and didn't have any one else to show her a different path should get all the blame and be demonised?
@phantom apparently people didn't take to heart the aseop that Aang spat In the "Avatar and The Fire Lord" where he said that all people are capable of both great evil and good. Seriously, if people have issues with redeeming bad guys in Avatar, then they have issues with Avatar itself.
@@YEY0806 I mean to be fair. people had issues with Avatar itself, disliked the finale, and many disagree with Aang's move of trying to take his bending rather than just killing him. so it is actually not that inconsistent.
@@phantom-ri2tg i kinda hadnt seen the other comments when i said this... It still seems plainly obvs to me, but i do have my own exps with trauma and with those who simply repeated generational cycles of abuse... And that def informs my perspective here a lot more than i thowt it did
If she's a victim; she's a victim of her dad's morally bad example, simple as that... he taught her morally bad examples and portrayed them *as* good; including encouraging her to bully her brother and turn their homelife into *literal* Hell.
I found it really hard to listen to this video because the music was too loud compared to the voice. I really encourage you to play around with sound settings, as they prevented me (I guess not only me) from properly enjoying the content. Overall, I love the idea of such character explorations, keep it going!
As a person with an Auditory Processing Disorder who has the same struggles; thank you for raisin this pt :3 It may not sound all that loud to others, but a lot of us literally cant tune out background noise; no matter how hard we try
@@gemmaryan5947 As someone with an auditory processing disorder; this persons comment wasnt a nitpick, it was constructive feedback said with the intent of makin the videos more accessible You may be able to deal just fine with the audio lvls as they are; but some of us literally cant watch this video bcuz of how distractin the background music is and how it makes us miss so many words We arent askin for much, just askin that in the future this be avoided so as to provide a wider audience the ability to watch the video If you rly need background noise while watchin a video, mite i suggest you play some noise on your phone or smth while you listen to vids?
@@msmarbs Thank you sm for your response here, my auditory processin disorder can rly make vids like this impossible for me to watch; and im glad to know youre gonna try to balance things to better acct for us with hearin difficulties here
I know it’s a crime but I haven’t watched Akira or read the manga either 😭 they’ve released the movie on Netflix so I’ll most likely watch it instead of read. Then I’ll take a jab at it, hopefully the character is the same in both mediums and he’s not really different 😅
@@ezride445 Thanks for telling me! I can’t lie tho, I think I’ll still watch the movie. If I feel like things aren’t adding up then I’ll read the manga
Tbh. Azula is just plain evil. We are a partially a product of our environment but we do have a choice. We all can choose. Wisdom of Iroh was for Azula as well. She CHOOSE to discredit him whereas Zuko didn't. We all have choice and Azula just choose to be evil.
I do agree with the fact that we’re a product of our environment, to an extent. If you’re conditioned from birth to behave a certain type of way, during your formative years, that’s not exactly fair to say they had a choice. You don’t know right from wrong yet and you’re being told that wrong is right. Children are like sponges, they absorb everything. Even if her mother thought what she did was wrong and sometimes vocalised it, who do you think the child is gonna believe the parent that shows her “love” i.e Ozai or Ursa the one that makes it seem like she doesn’t like her. And I can’t lie it’s also unfair to suggest Zuko and Azula are in the same boat but, Zuko doesn’t “choose to be evil”. Zuko’s relationship with Ozai the narcissistic parent was a completely different dynamic, he wasn’t closely immeshed to him as Azula was and despite this it took Zuko awhile to break free of “choosing to be evil” for the sake of Ozai’s validation. Now imagine Azula’s case, someone Ozai tightly had his claws in. In addition to that, Zuko experienced unconditional love from both Iroh and ursa but Azula has only ever known conditional or transactional love, cause Ursa wasn’t exactly the best parent to her. So no we don’t all have a choice, circumstances for every individual is different and I don’t wanna debate the topic of choice cause that’s bag of worms I’m not eager to open.
@@msmarbs She can be both a victim of circumstance AND evil. You could apply that every person is a victim because of their upbringing even Ozai (....even Vaatu) But it is the choices we make regardless our background that reveal our intentions as evil or good. Or to say it another way: Our choices are the 'preset version' of our upbringing not the 'past version'.
so from what im gathering so far 3:35 that you don't think zuko was mentally abused as well. edit: finished the video, and i don't fully agree with you; but you made good points/arguements. i'm new to the channel, but i hope to see more videos!!
Welcome to the family, I’m not the most consistent with my videos but I be trying 😅 and no I’m not saying Zuko wasn’t mentally abused, just outlining how Azula was too. And that she was in a worse position than Zuko due to how closely immeshed she was to Ozai, from a treatment standpoint. But obviously abuse is abuse, they were both abused just in different ways. That’s aight, you don’t need to fully agree with me. But you can tell me what you don’t fully agree with and we can discuss it!
@@aclevername7613 you greatly underestimate the horror and destructiveness of psychological abuse. As someone who has experienced both physical and psychological abuse i cannot stress enough how equally horrible both are. Azula was damaged way more than Zuko. Zuko was the scapegoat of his family with loved ones around to help him grow as a good human being. Azula was psychologically ruined by her father ensuring that there would be almost no chance of her betraying him. Zuko was damaged in a way that could be healed with the right help. Same is true for Azula but no one wanted to help her.
@mellemadswoestenburg1296 Exactly! You took the words straight from my mouth. I’m sorry to hear that you’ve experienced something as horrible as any kind of abuse. You’re a goddamn warrior, it takes guts for sharing and I’m really glad you did. I hope you’re healing and doing much better now ❤️
@@msmarbs Thanks. It has taken years to get my mind in a good place. From a very young age i was a very difficult child. Had trouble fitting in, couldn't really make friends, was very violent when soneone picked on me. My parents didn't always know how to handle me so they got angry and punished me terribly. I understand struggling with dealing with a child but you shouldn't beat them, starve them, or in some cases abandon them on the road and make them walk all the way home. I started living in group homes since i was 10 or 11. The adults there were very much a mixed bag. Some people genuinely tried to help. Others just encouraged my violent tendencies. They told me that putting people in their place would make me feel stronger, would give me confidence. And through them i became an absolute menace. I had multiple mental breakdowns over the years because i felt so unloved by my parents and siblings while not realizing that i was letting the people around me turn me into a monster. It's a very dramatic way of saying that but that's how i felt. It's taken me years of therapy, guidance and support and love from my family and other parental figures to help me see the truth and work on myself. I'm doing great now, thanks for asking. But my past is the reason i feel so much for Azula. When i look at her, especially in the 4 part finale i can see her as myself. She is the bad future i could have had. She is the person my parent's inadequacy and the other adult's emotional manipulation turned me into. And without the necessary support i would have stayed that way. Zuko and Azula are both victims of their upbringing. Both experiencing abuse in very different but equally destructive ways. Whenever they have their breakdowns it just breaks my heart because i can see myself in them so much, but especially Azula. Which is why it bothers me SO MUCH to see so many people praise Zuko for fighting his way out of his toxic home and ways but they refuse to give Azula even the chance. People need to realize the fact that abuse is abuse. It effects people in very different ways, but all of it is damaging. If Zuko is a victim of his upbringing like Toph said, then so is Azula. If Zuko deserves redemption, so does she. We know from the Beach episode that Azula is capable of remorse, empathy and kindness. She was just never allowed to express those feelings. Which is absolutely tragic. As a fellow victim, i feel for her. And i always will.
I am unsure if you have seen She-ra (the latest one). I always think Zuko is catra who was able to get away from the Horde (fire nation) vs. Azula who is more like Adora who stayed with the Horde (fire nation). In this case Ozai is Shadow-weaver.
I don’t know if I’ll do Zuko, I feel like I covered a lot of him in this video. He’s also a victim of his narcissistic father, the black sheep. This role in the family spawns many mental health problems, such as depression and I covered the results of this in the video. Aside from covering that Zuko is or was depressed, but that’s about it. So sorry 😭😭 if you have any suggestions for other characters, I’ll be glad to see if I could!
I’m anime only for Tokyo Revengers, I know it’s a crime 😅 And they haven’t mentioned anything about Sanzu’s past yet, tbf I haven’t watched the last 4 episodes of season 2 but I still don’t think they would this season cause that doesn’t seem like the direction they’re taking it yet. So I’ll have to let this request simmer for a bit!
Being a victim doesn't justify her actions. Azula was a villain more than she was a victim. And heck, if we go by the villainous victims in the series, then we can count Ozai too. He was also unfavored by his father, in fact, Azulon was very cold and cruel to him. Yet, it doesn't change the fact that Ozai is still a villain. And if we ever got to see Azula as an adult, she'd be exactly like her father.
True-being a victim of abuse is not an excuse, and both need to be held accountable for their actions. But the video isn’t excusing Azula’s actions-it’s explaining and analyzing how/why she’s the way she is.
@@SamuraiGirl02 I know, I appreciate the video. But I've seen some fans saying she was a victim but ignoring the fact that she was also a villain. That's why I felt the need to explain it.
@@darkpersona1462 Iroh absolutely has done many horrible things as a general. And yet, Azula was still worse than he ever was. Despite everything, Iroh cared about his family meanwhile Azula has attempted to murder her family members. Iroh gave up on the Siege of Ba Sing Se after he lost his son whereas Azula did what Iroh couldn't and actually invaded Ba Sing Se. Zuko has tried to capture the avatar but Azula slayed the avatar. Zuko has avoided unnecessary violence and cruelty while Azula was burning down anything and anyone on her way...
@@teamblack204 iroh cares about his son and zuko( who was more of a replacement for what he lost ) and laying siege to ba sing se for 600 days was less bad than taking over the army with words zuko hired combustion man to kill the avatar and helped azula kill the avatar need I go on? The only reason zuko turned out decent was due to his banishment if it wasn’t for that he would be like azula because she had no outside perspective as the fire nation is nothing more than an echo chamber for ozais ideals and she had no iroh to instill proper morals and values into her the only one instilling anything into her was ozai if you are going to excuse what Iroh and zuko did you have to excuse azula as well or you can recognize that both zuko and azula made a lot of mistakes believing them to be right and deserve a chance at redemption also both zuko and azula are children told that the avatar is an enemy to their nation how else did you expect them to treat him?
She is a victim in a small degree. She at the end of the day chose her actions and even as a child showed her dark nature. Her mother did try to help her but due to her father forcing her to leave or risk the life of zuko. She was a 1st class naracisst and she was a sociopath. Her father was incredibly toxic but mainly to zuko. At the end of the day she is a villian and she chose her actions. She liked the praise she got from her father, the abiltiy to boss others around and torture her brother. She might of had some issues but she was a monster of a person that was a fantastic villian.
Greetings. Let's not forget that whilst some phychological disorders can be found in the DNA, most are, in fact, nurtured. The environment in which the child is born and grew up in shapes who they become later as adults, if the survive long enough. Azula is a victim in a huge degree, different percentages to different people. Narcissistic tendencies are learnt. Sociopaths are made. Our mentality and behavior are shaped by external factors: stimuli and reinforcement. Ozai was wholly toxic to all of them, but Azula had it the worst because Zuko's banishment by Ozai ended up being the greatest and only gift he would ever receive from Ozai: physical distance from Ozai. This allowed Iroh to rescue him, and Zuko was able to experiment the outside world. But Ozai kept Azula trapped by making her emotionally and physchologically dependant on him, through that "praise". Azula's only positive reinforcement source was from Ozai, and he applauded cruelty and savagery. As Azula's vulnerable emotions were ignored (by Ursa) and rejected/detested by Ozai, she switched to the cruelty and violence that her father also shared. Ozai also exerted physical abuse on both Ursa and Zuko, which Azula has witnessed, so she grew up to fear him. "You can't do this to me. You can't treat me like Zuko." Did you see the genuine fear in her face and eyes when her dad was slightly angry? Ozai controlled Azula through fear and emotional abuse, and the girl knew he wouldn't hesitate on getting physical with her as well. She copied him. Ursa didn't help either; her parenting method was mediocre and full of negative remarks (but that could be attributed to depression) and in The Search, a breaking Azula saw Ursa's new family, Kiyi as her replacement as Ursa's daughter and Zuko's little sister. And this might be a little hole in my memory (need clarification here), but wasn't Ursa the reason why Ozai chose to kill Zuko with that little prank she played on him? She put Zuko on the death row. To me, Azula was the biggest victim in Avatar. Truly a tragedy because she didn't get a redemption -14 years old, people- and whatever possible psychological disorder(s) she might have had were just left to fester (mental health services were relatively new in that era) until she just broke. She was abandoned by everyone. It does not justify her actions, but she chose her actions under the desperate need to continue to be the golden child to her father, and receive what little empty affection he threw at her way like doggo treats.
@@genesisartek1844 I am pretty sure sociopaths are born not made. people with ASPD do not shut out emotions. they lack them do to how their brains are wired. Also again. I get the impression comments like the original made sure to jump in without watching the video. because as I said in another comment. the very. first. thing. in the video. is to explain that she is not a sociopath.
Lmao No she was a psychopath with very advanced inter social skills. She was born that way, her mother tried her best to keep her from that but recognized her daughter was who she was.
Azula in my opinion didn't deserve to be forgiven but people are still forgetting the fact that she was laughing when her own brother got burned and wanted to kill him in season 3. She was raised this way but if she got proper therapy she would be a little better. Azula is a kid but she is a bit messed up.
I'm not a fan of this style. I'm also aware you have a small channel, so I'm not trying to pick on you. Rather give you some feedback with constructive criticism in mind. You explained at the beginning of the video that you have no expertise in psychology, so as viewers we should take anything you say around the topic with a grain of salt. Then you proceed to focus entirely on your psychological interpretation of the characters you talk about.This wasn't very informative or entertaining for me. Granted, I don't delve into psychology for fun. So maybe your content is just not for me. Nonetheless, there are aspects of your style which I did appreciate. I would encourage you to aim for more of a video essay vibe in your videos. This presupposes that the focus of your work is to put your opinion across/say what you want to say about the topic you're covering. Rendering an initial disclaimer unnecessary. It would also entail you're covering something more than an amateur psychological diagnosis of a fictional character. In the case of Azula you might include the character's story arc, her role and impact in the greater story, the writing behind the scenes and your interpretation of its virtues and shortcomings; whatever you can creatively contrive. What your video hinges on is the thesis that Azula is a victim. I am not saying that is inaccurate. Rather it is merely a detail about a much more well-rounded character than the one you described. Azula is a victim. She is also one of the most powerful individuals in the world of ATLA. She's a precocious badass with a penchant for grandiosity which she usually backs up. Intelligent, resourceful af, skilled to the point of mastery at age 14. I could go on. But I feel you didn't cover those other aspects of her character much at all. Choosing to focus mostly on her victimhood, what caused it, followed by your psychological justification. If I hadn't seen ATLA and watched your video, I'm not sure I would understand whether you thought the show was good or worth watching. This leads me to contend that your choice of subject matter and video title is clickbait. And while I think it's fair enough for creators to use that tool to enable channel growth. You kind of want to back up your choice of a fantastic subject with a fascinating take of your own. I watched the entire video and I didn't feel your achieved that because of your focus on psychology. Again, I'm not trying to hate on you nor discourage you. Honestly I'm just giving you my suggestions. On the other hand, I am just a viewer giving his opinion and don't have to actually make the videos. This is your channel and you can choose to grow and improve it however you like. So good luck with that :)
I was with you for a bit. explaining more about her than victimhood I was a bit ehh on. then " If I hadn't seen ATLA and watched your video, I'm not sure I would understand whether you thought the show was good or worth watching." Anyone who has not seen the show already not the target audience. going out of the way to explain things that were many times said about her before? that is just a waste of video time. like I agree this video could use some mentions that explain more about her. but the whole point is that she is still a victim. and what does her impact in the story matter? that was never the point of the video. the point was not even to say that she is not in the wrong.
A very powerful, toxic, destructive, evil, hateful victim who is willing to murder her own friends. Sometimes a bad guy is just that - bad. People are accountable for their own actions. A sad back story doesn't justify heinous violent acts of evil. That's a fantasy....🧚♀ "I'm about to be an ONLY CHILD 😈"
But who pitted Azula and Zuko against each other? Ozai and his games of favoritism. Who technically was the first to kill and betray his own family? Ozai. Who subjected his wife, son and daughter to emotional and physical abuse (wouldn't doubt he even SAed Ursa)? Ozai. And Azula grew up watching all of that. Experience that. Nature vs nurture. Perhaps, there might have been something wrong in Azula's head since birth -Ozai's fucked up DNA- but environment plays a heavy role in the development of the child. It will never justify her actions. However, she was a child born in the craddle of abuse and fear, and it shaped who she was, then broke her apart because those kids tend to lack a of self-sense and self-worth. Cannot respond to "Who I am?". And Avatar displayed magnificiently what abuse does to a person.
@Genesis Artek it wasn't only her father that failed her, but her Nation itself by preaching violence, imperialism and genocidal sentiments that made EVERYONE from the Fire Nation believe that it was OK. Let's not forget that this is the Nation that saw absolutely nothing wrong with Ozai publicly dueling his own son, burning him and banishing him for the minor offence of disagreeing with his generals. Also Azula wasn't the only person smirking but also Zhao, who by the way tried WAY more times to undermine and kill Zuko than Azula ever did.
@@YEY0806 Yeah, I agree everyone failed Azula. I was remarking how Ozai had the earliest impact on her and Zuko. He was the reason why Ursa also tended to display more positive reactions and affection to Zuko.
@Genesis Artek yep, no disagreements there, but it's really annoying how "fans" just stop at concluding that Zuko was abused and then completely dismiss any canon validity or evidence that points to Azula's abuse
I am a victim of this abuse. I am in Zukos position but with no family at all. This is video is right but I think Azula is a socio/psychopath, but I don't have siblings.
The same way as Zuko at Crossroads of Destiny. He allowed himself to be manipulated in spite of knowing Azula lied to him, and seeing affects of the hundred year war on people. Still wanted to be in his father's good graces. However there's hope. She may find her way post show leading into Korra. Zuko wants to help. her mother also.
I understand how someone can think this but abuse is all that she knows bro she doesn't have a way to escape and the golden child often takes after their abusive parents meaning she takes pride in her "family" and is more likely to stay also abuse victims in general stay because of emotional abuse, fear, among several other reasons so think before you judge someone else's mental health issues without the proper education please.
Azula is NOT a victim. Azula is malicious. Azula is sadistic. Azula is immoral. Azula is a narcissist. Azula kills with hesitation or regret. Azula is her father's daughter. The Avatar should have taken her bending, locked her up in a deep dark hole, then buried the hole. .
@@AndalusianPhilosopher Aang was compassionate towards everyone, including his worst enemies. "Showing compassion to someone that has none is the worst punishment of all". (The Karate Kid III)
@@cdrocrossdiscovery if you read the comics you can see that Zuko telling Azula that he will love her as a sister no matter what had profound impact upon her. Also regarding Aang. Yes he shows compassion towards everyone, however it does not make him weak or that he does not appreciate the danger. He is more than willing to defend himself and others if need be. And like I said in spite of everything, the show itself emphasised just how heartbreaking and tragic Azulas fall is.
@@AndalusianPhilosopher The hatred Azula had for Zuko was a tragedy. Azula and Zuko fighting to the death in the Agni Kai was a grave tragedy. As brother and sister they could have been an unstoppable duo. But, to quote the movie Highlander, "There can be only one!"
@@cdrocrossdiscovery well there is still a chance that Zuko and Azula can become unstoppable duo. Post show comics left Azulas story up in the air. We have to wait for new comics to come out as well as new movies from avatar studios. It is crazy that Korra ended years ago, and we still know so little about original gaang. And obviously Azulas fate is mystery.
Yeah, Azula is the victim as everyone that is bad in the series, but that is just a detail, right? In the cartoon as in real life, people are mostly the product of their environment, but surely we needed special care for the "bad woman" because she is a woman. Let me guess, the person doing the video is AFAB. Oh, wow, look, I would have never guessed that.
Bro it’s the 21st century, take your misogynistic views on women back to the past where they belong. I’ve never once said that Azula needs special care cause she’s “bad” and just so happens to be a woman. I’ve outlined a fact and backed it up with proof, it’s as simple as that. I don’t see how gender plays a role in this. So, I’m not gonna waste my energy debating why you’re wrong on so many different levels, cause someone’s clearly been watching one too many Andrew Tate videos, and it shows. Boy bye.
Parenting Advice:
-Do not abandon your children.
-Do not abuse your children.
-Do not betray your children.
-Do not embarrass your children.
-Do not exploit your children.
-Do not ignore your children.
-Do not spoil your children.
Make sure you raise your children both your daughters and your sons with compassion, discipline, & responsibility period.
What I find interesting about Zuko's betrayal is that it makes more sense the more you analyse it. For one, Zuko was FORCED to accept his new modest lifestyle, which is extra screwed because Iroh had transitioned from a mostly apathetic dude that allowed Zuko to do whatever he wanted to now his second dad that controls him and yet acts like he gave Zuko a choice. While Iroh had good intentions, he forgot the fact that while Zuko obviously loved Iroh, he still loved Ozai and wanted to confront him to determine if his father truly loved him or not. Also, Zuko was being pressured into becoming Iroh's ideal son , which causes Zuko to have a breakdown and start acting like non-Zuko. That's bad enough, but what makes it worse is that Iroh didn't recognise how UNHEALTHY that was, which would bite his and the Gaangs ass later.
So Iroh gives Zuko the talk about "what do you want," yet the truth is that by the time Iroh and Zuko got to Ba Sing Se, Iroh was FORCING Zuko to become the "idealised son" that he believed Zuko to be deep down.
This is why Azula succeeding at convincing Zuko to switch sides, makes more sense because Iroh, in fact, didn't want to believe/didn't know who Zuko really is: a proud prince of royalty and his nation that had strong emotional ties and fears with his family who couldn't sit with a modest lifestyle for the rest of his life and never be able to confront his emotional fears about his father and whatever ties they still had.
Azula understood that perfectly. Ironically, Azula is the only one who ACTUALLY asks Zuko what he really wants and doesn't ignore/does understand Zuko's dark side.
But it does not excuse his betrayal. Azula lied to Zuko before. Zuko seen what Fire nation did to the world, and seen Katara's pain. You would think he would have developed an immunity from Azula's manipulation. Azula should be the last person on Earth he has to listen especially given how Azula deceived him at the beginning of season 2.
@AndalusianPhilosopher is funny because Azula lies to Zuko far less than to everyone else, and even when he believes that she only lies, he still always follows her lead
azula *asks* zuko what he wants, but it's pretty obviously a lie. "you are free to choose", she says, while knowing that she has dozens of dai lee agents on the way. he wasn't free to choose at all. if he'd chosen anything other than azula's side, he would've wound up in prison with iroh or dead. if she actually, truly cared about zuko, she would've told him about the dai lee and said you can join me or you can flee to give him a chance.
his betrayal isn't supposed to be the right choice. he understand *why* he made the choice that he did, but it's only something he needs to earn redemption for if, with the information he had at the time, he knew it was wrong, and still chose azula. and the information that he had was that azula is a manipulator and a liar, azula had the entire dai lee on her side, azula has repeatably tried to kill him, the fire nation is destroying the world with its war, and iroh has only ever tried to help him while ozai and azula have done anything but. he makes the wrong choice because he's never been able to come face to face with what he's already come to know deep down about the fire nation and his family. but it's still wrong.
and iroh should've been more understanding about the tea shop and apartment, but he was exactly right when zuko escalated things after that. being understanding is for when you're NOT throwing yourself into a war and you are singlehandedly able to influence which way it turns. it was long past time for iroh to stand up and tell zuko straight that he knew chasing the avatar was wrong, and allowing zuko to just continue aimlessly doing so would've handed the war to ozai.
@@heathersmith4042if Zuni chose to go against Azusa he Iroh and Team avatar would still be more than a match for Azula and Dai Li. So there is no guarantee that he would end up dead or imprison. Iron by himself managed to do quite well when holding off Dai Li and protecting Katara who held dead Aang in her arms.
It's more that Iroh didn't realise Zuko NEEDED to go back, after seeing the impact of the war, experiencing things emotionnally, un order to witness how wrong things were in the fire nation. The betrayal was necessairy to his act
Abusive Childhood (Bad Parenting)
3 Deadly Consequences:
-(Least Worst Outcome): They would suffer from post traumatic stress disorder for the rest of their life to the time they die because of their childhood abuse, even when they grow up to be healthy normal adults.
-(Second Worst Outcome): They are most likely to commit suicide because it is literally hard for them to accept their childhood abuse.
-(Worst Outcome): They are mostly like to transform into monsters and commit violent crimes by harming innocent people & spending the rest of their life in prison until they die.
(Parents both fathers and mothers must raise their children both their daughters & their sons with compassion, discipline, & responsibility for the safety of our society period.)
I will never understand why people say she chose to be this way or like this other comment here just called her pure evil. Azula is still in denyal that her mother loves her and that has been made clear a couple of times. Jesus, she even has mental breakdowns over her hallucinations telling her that her mom loves her 🤦♀️ Ursa went and changed her whole identity and erased all memory of her children and when Azula had her up against the wall this (technically) RANDOM woman apologized for not loving her enough and that one sentence had her crying again 🤦♀️ Evil? Or just confused about what actual love would feel like? Because Ozai surely didn't love her and it completely threw her off once she became aware of it.
I hope her new comics do her justice. I don't even want her to turn "good" all of a sudden but at least give her a peace of mind and the realization of the abuse that she went through...
You did a fantastic job and you explained everything extremely well.
Thank you soooo much 🥹❤️
I honestly blame Sozin for starting this entire insanity and suffering in the first place which later corrupted his descendants all the way till Azula. The very first Firelord was an amazing heroic noble man that brought the clans together which later became the Fire Nation and he defended his nation until his death. From the first Firelord till Sozin’s father, the Fire Nation were living in peace until his son Sozin ruined everything and started the 100 year war which lead to some parts of the Earth Kingdom being colonized & enslaved, it lead to the Air Nomad genocide, it lead to the waterbenders of the Southern Water Tribe being taken as prisoners, & what is even more shocking it lead to the dragon genocide, absolutely disgusting, mind blowing, & pure evil.
People who say that Azula is irredeemable but still like Zuko and Iroh are the worst kind of hypocrites. Zuko in particular was given multiple chances and a long time to change his perspective and even chose wrong at the end of S2, then sent a hitman to kill Aang before eventually coming to terms. Azula was given precisely ZERO chances yet people still write her off.
Thing is she never showed a shred of decency. Zuko showed a sense of right and honor showing some good in him. Azula is a entitled, egottistical tyrant that only seeks to control and abuse others. Shes written off because she has no inherit good seemingly in her and its obvious she would not change if given the chance. She has had chances to show decency but how she recruits her freind, the acrobatic one i forget her name, and not once shows remorse or anything like it yea she would not change. She loved the praise from her father and hurting others physically or emotionally. She had plenty of chances to do something. She could of held back in the hunt at times, she could of done a good deed and so on but she never did. From objecting to the generals sacrificing soldiers , which got him scarred, to saving the town in the earth kingdom knowing it would cost him zuko showed he had a good heart under it all. Azula never showed it once.
I know right, that’s exactly it very hypocritical. It’s like talking to a wall. Thank you for saying this, I thought I was alone in thinking this!
@@aclevername7613 Did we watch the same show? Evidently you have not seen it in a long time since you can't even remember Ty Lee's name yet you still write this long article arguing. You say she could have held back from the hunt, why would she do that? It's clear from what Ozai did to Zuko that any misstep from his children results in horiffic physical abuse. Secondly, how whould she know that helping the Avatar is good? She has been indoctrinated her whole life to see the Avatar as the enemy, from her perspective she is the hero, saving her nation from the evil Avatar. Finally, what you say about her never showing remorse is just flat-out wrong, she shows remorse twice, once in The Beach and one in the finale. Please watch the show before commenting.
Oh my god this!! Say it louder for the people in the back 🗣🗣
@@Kestrel-777 Forgetting ty lees name is a simple mistake. In regard to your point about phsyical abuse form a misstep that is wrong. It only occured once from what was seen and only to zuko. He was not harmed physically when he messed up his fire bending. So physical harm over any misstep is not the norm. As for her seeing the avatat as evil yea Zuko had the same indoctrination. He was taught the same as her and he still showed some decency goodness. Azula did not show remorse. The beach episode with the fire pit was not remorse just her manipulating them. As for the end of the show or finale again no remorse just her mental state snapping and her taking a cheap shot to cheat a win against her brother. I am not saying her enviorment was not toxic but she was not a good person and had no real goodness in her. Zuko grew up in the same house, had more reason to dislike the avatar and yet showed more humanity as a child and empathy and did the right thing in the end. She showed no real humanity or goodness in the show and again even if given a chance for redemption she would not of taken it. I think she is a fantasic villian. A really food one but shes just a villian like her father.
In her last moments in the final episode, azula doesn't think about Ozai at all. The person she thought about most was the person who hurt her the most. I don't think Ozai is entirely to blame for how azula turned out. Ursa played a huge part in damaging her daughters psychy too.
Typically mother, being hard on their daughters but cuddle their son.
Ozai was the main problem 100%
@@tjc2993She didn’t even do that on purpose though. Do you like know what her mother has been through? Not to mention she tried her best with Azula but with Ozai there is pretty hard.
Ursa was abused by Ozai (forced to marry him when Ozai threatened her current partner's life if she denied), she would have gotten herself or Zuko hurt if she interfered with Ozai's plan to make Azula a weapon of war. not to mention deep down Azula knows Ursa loved her, she just can't accept that because Ozai drilled into her the idea of empathy and trust being weakness, which are traits Ursa tries to show to Azula from the start, but it's not enough. Ozai saw her potential and praised her for being cruel, perfect, and completely loyal to him, so at that point no matter how much Ursa tried to "fix" Azula, it was too late since her father's influence made anything Ursa said seem like she was praying on her downfall (she really just wanted her daughter to have a happy, healthy childhood instead of living a life where she eventually falls apart because she was taught trust is for fools and empathy is weakness)
Ursa was forced to leave before they could reconcile. I think in time maybe things wouldn’t have been so bad.
Not even the power of friendship could save Azula in the end 😢
well as other said she learned from ozia to use fear so they feared her so they could never fully build trust. and Tylee only went with her because she was under threat so if they had been able to built trust they may have been able to help her.
@@leannasullender8482Which is azula's fault. They were childhood friends yet they couldn't trust each other 🤨. Azula has 2 good friend that understood her and stool by her even when they knew what she was doing was wrong and that she used every means to get her way even with them. When your friends can't trust you to then you are the problem. Tye lee and Mai both had horrible childhood that limited them one way or the other but they never used to it against her. Mai only cared about zuko and azula didn't even respect that. Zuko was her own brother which she always seemed to forget. The fact that Mai cares more about Azula's own brother is so sad 🥲. Ty Lee also having to leave her job which she loved because of azula almost killed for her refusal to go at first says a lot.
This girl never cared for the people that loved her the most. Her father didn't love her. He loved her obedience and her likeness to him. He was a negligent parent and only cared about himself and nobody else, his wife No, his son No, his brother No and his azula especially no.
Frankly azula was a terrible person. If people can excuse her terrible behavior to aang and his team, people can't be excuse her behaviour to her friends or brother.
She is simply a fantastic written villain and I love her like that. Please let's stop insulting by trying to find a none existent redemption arch 😜.
@@bunmiabimbola4426 dude, she was 14 years old at the time.
It's pretty obvious that azula was the problem. but it's insane to look at a 14 year old with trust issues who doesn't have any real friends and a violently abusive father and say "welp! obviously she was the problem and a terrible person!"
a redemption arc isn't about excusing her behavior. zuko's redempetion arc wasn't him saying "well actually i was abused so joining azula in ba sing se was fine." a redemption arc is the character accepting their behavior was wrong, accepting that amends need to made, and making the choice to try and grow and become a better person. pointing out that she was abused doesn't make her actions okay, but it does give a *reason* for why she is beyond just "hi i'm azula and i like to be evil", the exact same reason for zuko's entire arc, and a reason that if she had a chance, maybe she could grow beyond it too.
Good to see you make another Video!, Cant wait to watch your Diagnosis on Azula!
Girlie I love to see your comments ❤️ you give me energy!
While Azula is a victim, it doesn't excuse her actions whatsoever. So many other psychopaths, sociopaths, and serial killers were also victims. It doesn't and shouldn't excuse her actions.
The fact she is a 14 yr old child who was manipulated by her father into havin a warped sense of morality... shud be taken into consideration here
@@SylviaRustyFae so? Should we give her a cookie? Even if it is taken into account the atrocities she's done will never be, and should never be forgiven.
@@justanidiotmk2749 We fundamentally disagree on the concept of second chances
honestly, i'm on the fence with this. sure, you're still a kid but i think every fourteen year old should understand the logistics of right and wrong. azula does seem somewhat aware that she is not acting what could be considered ethically right, given that she admitted to being a 'monster' in the beach episode ( which is also an unfortunate conditioning and misunderstanding from ursa and her intentions due to both of them being abused by ozai ).
yes, she was manipulated, but ursa still tried to instill some sense of right and wrong with her. her perspective in the search comics does show her trying to still the growing fire. hell she even tried to take azula and zuko along with her to raise away from ozai ( and unfortunately, she could not do so since ozai held them as collateral, threatening their lives should she try to return for them ).
stating that azula is completely the victim? it's not the way i'd put it. she's been through shit, she's been brainwashed and manipulated to hate her brother and mother, but given the fact that she has had opportunities in the comics to change but never truly took it? i can't say that she's not at fault either.
saying this is like saying all those extreme bullying cases you suffer through in middle school, where the victim is seriously injured by the bully is completely for naught simply because the perpetrator is fourteen and comes from a broken home. it does not make their actions right in any way, nor does their background completely justify their wrongs. fourteen year olds are capable of being terrible people. it's not me hating kids, it's a fact because humans are like that.
but then should they be completely thrown to the side? no, they should be taken to account if helping these people is a viable option. azula needs therapy, a lot of it, and she needs a way out of ozai's life. the unfortunate part is, when we see her in the series? she was probably in too deep and too far gone.
discussions like these are honestly what sparks really great conversations though jhgfdfghjk.
@@lythrum2081 Out the bat... You cant just expect a 14 yr old to have those values **if no one instills such values in them**
I once had a 16 or 17 yr old nearly ram me off the road bcuz he felt the need to swerve into the oncomin traffic lane and yell the F slur at me. I nearly died, as there was a cliffside next to me and i almost fell off my bike only barely catchin myself. I was 12.
I dont think that douchecanoe is inherently evil. I think he has been propagandised towards and brainwashed to distrust and harass nonconformity.
Without outside influences, he may stay that way, but we cant blame him esp as a teenager; bcuz his personal growth up to then is almost entirely out of his control. Its entirely at the whims of the ones who have authority over him, which can assure he cant learn how to be a decent person if they dont care about that
Its the same shite here.
In my honest opinion, Azula is a pawn of a toxic environment because of her imperial native nation and her 3 toxic royal family members like her paternal great grandfather Sozin who started the 100 year war plus he is the one that brought disgrace, embarrassment, & shame to his royal family plus the Fire Nation in the first place, her paternal grandfather Azulon who continued the war, & especially her father Ozai who also continued the war plus he manipulated her as a weapon so he could selfishly rule the world as the Phoenix King. Despite all the indoctrination, lack of compassion, pain, and suffering Azula went through, I cannot trust her because she is so dangerous & so ruthless because of her constant manipulative character plus her narcissistic attitude. If her uncle Iroh can change and her brother Zuko can change, why can’t she change. I always wondered if Azula was raised in a empathetic normal family and if she grew up in a healthy positive environment, she will definitely grow up to be a decent human being period.
Illusion of free will type stuff with Azula, at what point to you blame her or her surroundings for things?
@@justanidiotmk2749 What I really mean is that Azula can change, but she refuses to change. Like I said before if Iroh and Zuko can change, why can’t she change.
@@zak27986 Idk it kinda feels like the only way she can change is if a lion turtle itself showed up and lectured her.
@@justanidiotmk2749 It is possible that a lion turtle can change her, but there is only one left because they are sadly extinct. You have the energybending lion turtle, the one in “Avatar The Last Airbender.”
@@zak27986 Yeah... Sadly, or happily (depending on your perspective) redemption is super difficult once you get past that very murky line.
nah ursa should spend more time with azula when she was little
In my country, we have literal children - 10 to 16 year olds, running their stolen cars into Vape stores/malls... to steal. Do you know why? Then you find out the children were doomed from the start. No good role models - raised in traumatic gang influenced households, and kids in and out of juvi/youth detention or bouncing in/out of foster care. A lot were conditioned to feel accepted and be "part of the family".
Azula was doomed from the start. She has no good role models whereas Zuko did. She is living in a time of war - that is generational trauma right there.
Mum left/neglected Azula.
Dad conditoned Azula to be a tool.
No real friends as they were tied to her only by fear.
The grandmas were YES men. Hence why Azula perfected her skills to receive validation from her dad - in the end, to him she was just a tool.
I guess the show explains to us what positive and negative influences can have on us as children when it comes to our own trauma.
This was pretty much all Azula knew, and i feel for her.
I love these kinds of breakdowns. I would also say that Azula also seems to fit the bill for someone who has a sort of Machiavellian personality disorder.
Glad you enjoyed it!!!
@msmarbs I did, very much. Honestly it's characters like Zuko and Azula who made me want to be a psych major. The human mind is fascinatingly complex and convoluted.
And I tell people ALL the time that Azula, while absolutely an awful person, was every bit the victim of abuse Zuko was. Not the same TYPE of abuse, but abuse all the same. Zuko was lucky enough to have Iroh to help guide him. Azula never did, so she emulated the one person she had an example from.
I specifically searched for this video and I found everything I wanted to hear, completely agree👍 I hope they wouldn't betray her image in sequels and give her redemption arch bcs irl such people unfortunately have just about 0 chance of getting on track
Thank youuu I’m delighted to hear that ❤️ You’re right when you say these type of people don’t have much of a chance of getting on track. But I like to think that anyone can be saved, maybe not psychopaths but beside them, I like to think that it’s possible. A redemption arc wouldn’t betray her if it’s done well. But if they decide to just hand her the redemption, they can keep that bs to themselves. Cause they’ll just ruin the characters.
Sorry for getting back to you so late 😭 a lot of the comments keeping getting lost in all the other comments.
that's called confirmation bias.
So, I'm not convinced shes solely the victim. Yes, shes a victim in some capacity. It's true that shes been the golden child but I feel like the conversations around Azula are very black or white. She's either a toxic pos not deserving of any sympathy or she's a total victim and therefore bares no responsibility for her actions (worse yet when people blame iroh or her mom for the way she is lmao). In my opinion, the truth lies in the middle. It's more than possible to have been abused and also to be abusive. It's totally possible she's a victim of narcissistic abuse and a narcissist herself. I find it striking that there is no mention of Ty Lee and Mai's betrayal in this. The whole reason she started to spiral was because she was betrayed by her supposed best friends. It took something happening to her personally for her to breakdown about it. How is that not a telltale sign that shes an incredibly selfish person at heart? She clearly has emotions and feelings but only when she has to personally reap the consequences of her actions. I also don't agree that Ozai was trying to toss her aside when he told her to be firelord. I have no reason to believe he was lying when he said she's the only one he could trust so she should be the new fire lord, he groomed her for the position. The thing is her father promoting her to a high position doesn't even matter anymore for her. Shes the golden child, she should be ecstatic at Ozai putting that much trust in her. Instead she cannot get out of her own head about Mai and Ty Lee. Because her ego has been majorly damaged. The two main people providing her her own constant narc supply have been removed. And Ozai alone can no longer fill that void due to how her ego now stretches outside of the realm of golden child.
Ursa saying 'theres something wrong with that child' wasn't written to show that Ursa was mean and insulting Azula for no reason or really didn't love her enough (she told zuko to go play with her earlier even though zuko clearly didnt want to and she knows how mean azula can be). It's there to tell us there is something in the very Nature of Azula that is off. I interpret her mother showing up in the mirror as her subconscious correcting her false beliefs about her mother. She knows deep down that Ursa didn't think she was a monster and that Ursa loved her or at least tried her best to. But Azula is processing these situations incorrectly because shes incapable of seeing how her own actions showed a lack of empathy/humanity 'If you loved me then why did you leave' 'if you loved me then why would you protect someone like Zuko' Azula interpreted Ursa giving Zuko extra mom-son time to offset Ozai's black-sheeping meant her mother didn't love her. "Why isn't mom as proud of me like dad when I achieve great things, why does mom get angry with me when I say exactly how I feel. Why is being exactly who I am not good enough for mother but dad accepts me?" Azula shows a major lack of capacity to understand why her poor actions toward others would be off-putting, and Ozai just fuelled this more. I know it was mentioned that maybe her narcissism was learned, but the narrative doesn't really present Azula that way unless you bend over backwards to describe Ursa as a neglectful parent and Iroh as a shitty uncle. They presented it with Zuko, but Azula was consistently deemed as 'she is the way she is' which just screams shes written to be psychologically unchanging. Her fathers daughter in more ways than one. Do I think she would be more chill away from Ozai? yeah, less sadistic seeming for sure and well as some of her other more anti-social traits. But I think she would still be semi-toxic, like a mean girl, if all of the environmental factors were stripped away.
Funny meta side note, apparently people have been afraid write for Azula (official comics wise) because many fans want to see her have a redemption due to this narrative of her being more a victim than a villian. Meaning there must be disagreement with what some fans want for her story and how the creators want her story to go. Someone who defends Azula a loooot on the internet who I came across once, I eventually found out and verified she knows Aaron Ehasz personally and really dislikes Bryke and its part of the reason she staunchly defends Azula. Apparently Aarons vision for Azula was closer to what you describe (a victim) but Bryke wanted Azula to remain less sympathetic (a villian). So the story could be taken both ways except for the fact that Aaron no longer gets a say due to Bryke and Aaron splitting over the creative differences at the end of ATLA. So those comic writers are afraid to piss off fans with more evil azula narrative, I suspect. This is also why I feel Azulas situation is a bit of both victim and villian rather than totally one or the other.
she is a victim, but she also has done horrible things. as long as she doesn't understand what she did is wrong, she can't be redeemed. just like ozai who likely was raised similarly to azula, who never seems to see the wrong in his actions. the difference is with azula we see how the little influence her mother had broke her, after the final agni kai she broke down because all she wanted was love, but ozai had raised her on conditional love her entire life. she knows ursa loved, and thats what breaks her, she cant understand why her mother still loved her even when she wanted to correct the behavior ozai was praising, she doesn't understand the concept of unconditional love
Subbed, brilliant analysis, I loved hearing your point of view, Azula is such an amazing character, she's so well written. 💯😃
Thanks a mil! Welcome to the family 🥹
It was at this moment Ozai realised... He f*cked up
I know ATLA isn't a anime but Azula's arc reminds me of Asuka Langley Soryu from NGE but more complicated because she's a princess
Sometimes it's the ones closest to you that hurt the most ~
Well no shite, she's 14 and clearly brainwashed by fire nation propaganda and her own upbringin where she spent her whole childhood tryin to impress her father
The key diff between her and Zuko is that Zuko is 2 yrs older and has a mentor who actually loves and cares about him and wants to do whatevs he can to help Zuko heal from the same traumatic upbringing.
That and Zuko is four yrs into his journey when the story begins, meanin that was four yrs of bein away from his abuser and four yrs of bein able to start to see things thru his own perspective and not a warped one instilled in him by propaganda and the fatherlords lies
Ofc Zuko is gonna be way further along in his healin journey, unlike his little sister
People also forget that while Iroh and Zuko were generally good people, they still suffered under their nations propaganda and harboured imperlistic beliefs.
Like Iroh in Universe was under the thrall of the Fire Nation for DECADES and only changed when he suffered a personal loss, Zuko, who, despite being Ozai's punching bag for years STILL believed that his father loved him and that he was doing him right by teaching him through suffering.
So why is it OK that Iroh and Zuko, both older members of the family, can be recognised for their humanity and not be held for scrutiny for not realising early on that their nation was wrong and yet Azula, the youngest member who was abused into becoming Ozai's golden child and didn't have any one else to show her a different path should get all the blame and be demonised?
"Well no shite" Hmm what an odd thing to say. the comment section is loaded with people saying the 14 year old is just pure evil.
@phantom apparently people didn't take to heart the aseop that Aang spat In the "Avatar and The Fire Lord" where he said that all people are capable of both great evil and good. Seriously, if people have issues with redeeming bad guys in Avatar, then they have issues with Avatar itself.
@@YEY0806 I mean to be fair. people had issues with Avatar itself, disliked the finale, and many disagree with Aang's move of trying to take his bending rather than just killing him. so it is actually not that inconsistent.
@@phantom-ri2tg i kinda hadnt seen the other comments when i said this... It still seems plainly obvs to me, but i do have my own exps with trauma and with those who simply repeated generational cycles of abuse... And that def informs my perspective here a lot more than i thowt it did
Really interesting.
Hopefully you enjoyed it ❤️❤️
@@msmarbs Thanks i did! :D
it's never too late to talk about Avatar
Yessssirrr 👏🏾
If she's a victim; she's a victim of her dad's morally bad example, simple as that... he taught her morally bad examples and portrayed them *as* good; including encouraging her to bully her brother and turn their homelife into *literal* Hell.
I found it really hard to listen to this video because the music was too loud compared to the voice. I really encourage you to play around with sound settings, as they prevented me (I guess not only me) from properly enjoying the content.
Overall, I love the idea of such character explorations, keep it going!
Thank you so much for the constructive feedback, I’ll try to improve it for my next video! Also thank youu I will keep going ❤️❤️
shut up audio is just fine the vid is perfect the way it is your just nitpicking
As a person with an Auditory Processing Disorder who has the same struggles; thank you for raisin this pt :3
It may not sound all that loud to others, but a lot of us literally cant tune out background noise; no matter how hard we try
@@gemmaryan5947 As someone with an auditory processing disorder; this persons comment wasnt a nitpick, it was constructive feedback said with the intent of makin the videos more accessible
You may be able to deal just fine with the audio lvls as they are; but some of us literally cant watch this video bcuz of how distractin the background music is and how it makes us miss so many words
We arent askin for much, just askin that in the future this be avoided so as to provide a wider audience the ability to watch the video
If you rly need background noise while watchin a video, mite i suggest you play some noise on your phone or smth while you listen to vids?
@@msmarbs Thank you sm for your response here, my auditory processin disorder can rly make vids like this impossible for me to watch; and im glad to know youre gonna try to balance things to better acct for us with hearin difficulties here
This video is a banger!
Awwww thank you soo much ❤️❤️😭😭
Next you should analyze tetsuo from the Akira manga please
I know it’s a crime but I haven’t watched Akira or read the manga either 😭 they’ve released the movie on Netflix so I’ll most likely watch it instead of read. Then I’ll take a jab at it, hopefully the character is the same in both mediums and he’s not really different 😅
@@msmarbs the manga fleshes him out a lot more but of course it has more to work with
@@ezride445 Thanks for telling me! I can’t lie tho, I think I’ll still watch the movie. If I feel like things aren’t adding up then I’ll read the manga
Tbh. Azula is just plain evil. We are a partially a product of our environment but we do have a choice. We all can choose. Wisdom of Iroh was for Azula as well. She CHOOSE to discredit him whereas Zuko didn't. We all have choice and Azula just choose to be evil.
I do agree with the fact that we’re a product of our environment, to an extent. If you’re conditioned from birth to behave a certain type of way, during your formative years, that’s not exactly fair to say they had a choice. You don’t know right from wrong yet and you’re being told that wrong is right. Children are like sponges, they absorb everything. Even if her mother thought what she did was wrong and sometimes vocalised it, who do you think the child is gonna believe the parent that shows her “love” i.e Ozai or Ursa the one that makes it seem like she doesn’t like her.
And I can’t lie it’s also unfair to suggest Zuko and Azula are in the same boat but, Zuko doesn’t “choose to be evil”. Zuko’s relationship with Ozai the narcissistic parent was a completely different dynamic, he wasn’t closely immeshed to him as Azula was and despite this it took Zuko awhile to break free of “choosing to be evil” for the sake of Ozai’s validation. Now imagine Azula’s case, someone Ozai tightly had his claws in. In addition to that, Zuko experienced unconditional love from both Iroh and ursa but Azula has only ever known conditional or transactional love, cause Ursa wasn’t exactly the best parent to her.
So no we don’t all have a choice, circumstances for every individual is different and I don’t wanna debate the topic of choice cause that’s bag of worms I’m not eager to open.
she's 14 so no you're wrong lol she's just a kid being manipulated
@@demytraprojects wait....She's only 14? I thought she was 16! No wonder she was so delusional.
@@msmarbs She can be both a victim of circumstance AND evil. You could apply that every person is a victim because of their upbringing even Ozai (....even Vaatu)
But it is the choices we make regardless our background that reveal our intentions as evil or good. Or to say it another way: Our choices are the 'preset version' of our upbringing not the 'past version'.
Azula is psychopath and they are evil from birth not from environment.
so from what im gathering so far 3:35 that you don't think zuko was mentally abused as well.
edit: finished the video, and i don't fully agree with you; but you made good points/arguements. i'm new to the channel, but i hope to see more videos!!
Welcome to the family, I’m not the most consistent with my videos but I be trying 😅 and no I’m not saying Zuko wasn’t mentally abused, just outlining how Azula was too. And that she was in a worse position than Zuko due to how closely immeshed she was to Ozai, from a treatment standpoint. But obviously abuse is abuse, they were both abused just in different ways.
That’s aight, you don’t need to fully agree with me. But you can tell me what you don’t fully agree with and we can discuss it!
Zuko was abused far far more then azula. His father was abusive and she was incredibly abusive to him as well.
@@aclevername7613 you greatly underestimate the horror and destructiveness of psychological abuse. As someone who has experienced both physical and psychological abuse i cannot stress enough how equally horrible both are. Azula was damaged way more than Zuko. Zuko was the scapegoat of his family with loved ones around to help him grow as a good human being. Azula was psychologically ruined by her father ensuring that there would be almost no chance of her betraying him. Zuko was damaged in a way that could be healed with the right help. Same is true for Azula but no one wanted to help her.
@mellemadswoestenburg1296 Exactly! You took the words straight from my mouth. I’m sorry to hear that you’ve experienced something as horrible as any kind of abuse. You’re a goddamn warrior, it takes guts for sharing and I’m really glad you did. I hope you’re healing and doing much better now ❤️
@@msmarbs Thanks. It has taken years to get my mind in a good place. From a very young age i was a very difficult child. Had trouble fitting in, couldn't really make friends, was very violent when soneone picked on me. My parents didn't always know how to handle me so they got angry and punished me terribly. I understand struggling with dealing with a child but you shouldn't beat them, starve them, or in some cases abandon them on the road and make them walk all the way home. I started living in group homes since i was 10 or 11. The adults there were very much a mixed bag. Some people genuinely tried to help. Others just encouraged my violent tendencies. They told me that putting people in their place would make me feel stronger, would give me confidence. And through them i became an absolute menace. I had multiple mental breakdowns over the years because i felt so unloved by my parents and siblings while not realizing that i was letting the people around me turn me into a monster. It's a very dramatic way of saying that but that's how i felt. It's taken me years of therapy, guidance and support and love from my family and other parental figures to help me see the truth and work on myself. I'm doing great now, thanks for asking. But my past is the reason i feel so much for Azula. When i look at her, especially in the 4 part finale i can see her as myself. She is the bad future i could have had. She is the person my parent's inadequacy and the other adult's emotional manipulation turned me into. And without the necessary support i would have stayed that way. Zuko and Azula are both victims of their upbringing. Both experiencing abuse in very different but equally destructive ways. Whenever they have their breakdowns it just breaks my heart because i can see myself in them so much, but especially Azula. Which is why it bothers me SO MUCH to see so many people praise Zuko for fighting his way out of his toxic home and ways but they refuse to give Azula even the chance. People need to realize the fact that abuse is abuse. It effects people in very different ways, but all of it is damaging. If Zuko is a victim of his upbringing like Toph said, then so is Azula. If Zuko deserves redemption, so does she. We know from the Beach episode that Azula is capable of remorse, empathy and kindness. She was just never allowed to express those feelings. Which is absolutely tragic. As a fellow victim, i feel for her. And i always will.
Can you do the same thing with Dabi from my hero academia?
Yeah I think I’ll try my hand at him!
I am unsure if you have seen She-ra (the latest one). I always think Zuko is catra who was able to get away from the Horde (fire nation) vs. Azula who is more like Adora who stayed with the Horde (fire nation). In this case Ozai is Shadow-weaver.
Have to say if $#3 is then who isn't?
Amazing video
Thank youu 🥹🥹 you’re too kind 🤧
@@msmarbs please start uploading more
Hey what’s the song called at the end it’s a sick beat
It’s ‘I Love It’ by Kanye West ft Lil Pump, and just the instrumental 😂
are you able to do subtitles on your videos or did they actually remove the custom ccs finally
You can, I must’ve just disabled them sometime. I added them in there, thanks for letting me know.
@MsMarbs thank you I was having some trouble understanding you at first might rewatch see if I catch anything new
Good afternoon. Im fan of azula and ty lee and mai. Everyone have great day and next day and week and weekend and next week and full happiness 😊.
Pls diagnose Zuko
I don’t know if I’ll do Zuko, I feel like I covered a lot of him in this video. He’s also a victim of his narcissistic father, the black sheep. This role in the family spawns many mental health problems, such as depression and I covered the results of this in the video. Aside from covering that Zuko is or was depressed, but that’s about it.
So sorry 😭😭 if you have any suggestions for other characters, I’ll be glad to see if I could!
Just like Zuko.
Music a little too loud btw, it’s not horrible but it is taking up little too much space
Plllls do Sanzu from Tokyo Revengers next!
I’m anime only for Tokyo Revengers, I know it’s a crime 😅 And they haven’t mentioned anything about Sanzu’s past yet, tbf I haven’t watched the last 4 episodes of season 2 but I still don’t think they would this season cause that doesn’t seem like the direction they’re taking it yet. So I’ll have to let this request simmer for a bit!
Being a victim doesn't justify her actions. Azula was a villain more than she was a victim. And heck, if we go by the villainous victims in the series, then we can count Ozai too. He was also unfavored by his father, in fact, Azulon was very cold and cruel to him. Yet, it doesn't change the fact that Ozai is still a villain. And if we ever got to see Azula as an adult, she'd be exactly like her father.
True-being a victim of abuse is not an excuse, and both need to be held accountable for their actions. But the video isn’t excusing Azula’s actions-it’s explaining and analyzing how/why she’s the way she is.
@@SamuraiGirl02 I know, I appreciate the video. But I've seen some fans saying she was a victim but ignoring the fact that she was also a villain. That's why I felt the need to explain it.
@@teamblack204so was zuko, Iroh, Mai, and Ty lee but people excuse them despite iroh committing far worse acts at an older age
@@darkpersona1462 Iroh absolutely has done many horrible things as a general. And yet, Azula was still worse than he ever was. Despite everything, Iroh cared about his family meanwhile Azula has attempted to murder her family members. Iroh gave up on the Siege of Ba Sing Se after he lost his son whereas Azula did what Iroh couldn't and actually invaded Ba Sing Se. Zuko has tried to capture the avatar but Azula slayed the avatar. Zuko has avoided unnecessary violence and cruelty while Azula was burning down anything and anyone on her way...
@@teamblack204 iroh cares about his son and zuko( who was more of a replacement for what he lost ) and laying siege to ba sing se for 600 days was less bad than taking over the army with words zuko hired combustion man to kill the avatar and helped azula kill the avatar need I go on? The only reason zuko turned out decent was due to his banishment if it wasn’t for that he would be like azula because she had no outside perspective as the fire nation is nothing more than an echo chamber for ozais ideals and she had no iroh to instill proper morals and values into her the only one instilling anything into her was ozai if you are going to excuse what Iroh and zuko did you have to excuse azula as well or you can recognize that both zuko and azula made a lot of mistakes believing them to be right and deserve a chance at redemption also both zuko and azula are children told that the avatar is an enemy to their nation how else did you expect them to treat him?
She is a victim in a small degree. She at the end of the day chose her actions and even as a child showed her dark nature. Her mother did try to help her but due to her father forcing her to leave or risk the life of zuko. She was a 1st class naracisst and she was a sociopath. Her father was incredibly toxic but mainly to zuko. At the end of the day she is a villian and she chose her actions. She liked the praise she got from her father, the abiltiy to boss others around and torture her brother. She might of had some issues but she was a monster of a person that was a fantastic villian.
Greetings. Let's not forget that whilst some phychological disorders can be found in the DNA, most are, in fact, nurtured. The environment in which the child is born and grew up in shapes who they become later as adults, if the survive long enough. Azula is a victim in a huge degree, different percentages to different people. Narcissistic tendencies are learnt. Sociopaths are made. Our mentality and behavior are shaped by external factors: stimuli and reinforcement. Ozai was wholly toxic to all of them, but Azula had it the worst because Zuko's banishment by Ozai ended up being the greatest and only gift he would ever receive from Ozai: physical distance from Ozai. This allowed Iroh to rescue him, and Zuko was able to experiment the outside world. But Ozai kept Azula trapped by making her emotionally and physchologically dependant on him, through that "praise". Azula's only positive reinforcement source was from Ozai, and he applauded cruelty and savagery. As Azula's vulnerable emotions were ignored (by Ursa) and rejected/detested by Ozai, she switched to the cruelty and violence that her father also shared. Ozai also exerted physical abuse on both Ursa and Zuko, which Azula has witnessed, so she grew up to fear him. "You can't do this to me. You can't treat me like Zuko." Did you see the genuine fear in her face and eyes when her dad was slightly angry? Ozai controlled Azula through fear and emotional abuse, and the girl knew he wouldn't hesitate on getting physical with her as well. She copied him. Ursa didn't help either; her parenting method was mediocre and full of negative remarks (but that could be attributed to depression) and in The Search, a breaking Azula saw Ursa's new family, Kiyi as her replacement as Ursa's daughter and Zuko's little sister. And this might be a little hole in my memory (need clarification here), but wasn't Ursa the reason why Ozai chose to kill Zuko with that little prank she played on him? She put Zuko on the death row. To me, Azula was the biggest victim in Avatar. Truly a tragedy because she didn't get a redemption -14 years old, people- and whatever possible psychological disorder(s) she might have had were just left to fester (mental health services were relatively new in that era) until she just broke. She was abandoned by everyone. It does not justify her actions, but she chose her actions under the desperate need to continue to be the golden child to her father, and receive what little empty affection he threw at her way like doggo treats.
@@genesisartek1844 I am pretty sure sociopaths are born not made. people with ASPD do not shut out emotions. they lack them do to how their brains are wired.
Also again. I get the impression comments like the original made sure to jump in without watching the video. because as I said in another comment. the very. first. thing. in the video. is to explain that she is not a sociopath.
good job on the vbideo
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Imagine having no mom XD
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No she was a psychopath with very advanced inter social skills.
She was born that way, her mother tried her best to keep her from that but recognized her daughter was who she was.
Nah she's just evil
(I love her because of it)
Azula in my opinion didn't deserve to be forgiven but people are still forgetting the fact that she was laughing when her own brother got burned and wanted to kill him in season 3. She was raised this way but if she got proper therapy she would be a little better. Azula is a kid but she is a bit messed up.
I'm not a fan of this style. I'm also aware you have a small channel, so I'm not trying to pick on you. Rather give you some feedback with constructive criticism in mind.
You explained at the beginning of the video that you have no expertise in psychology, so as viewers we should take anything you say around the topic with a grain of salt. Then you proceed to focus entirely on your psychological interpretation of the characters you talk about.This wasn't very informative or entertaining for me. Granted, I don't delve into psychology for fun. So maybe your content is just not for me. Nonetheless, there are aspects of your style which I did appreciate.
I would encourage you to aim for more of a video essay vibe in your videos. This presupposes that the focus of your work is to put your opinion across/say what you want to say about the topic you're covering. Rendering an initial disclaimer unnecessary.
It would also entail you're covering something more than an amateur psychological diagnosis of a fictional character. In the case of Azula you might include the character's story arc, her role and impact in the greater story, the writing behind the scenes and your interpretation of its virtues and shortcomings; whatever you can creatively contrive.
What your video hinges on is the thesis that Azula is a victim. I am not saying that is inaccurate. Rather it is merely a detail about a much more well-rounded character than the one you described.
Azula is a victim. She is also one of the most powerful individuals in the world of ATLA. She's a precocious badass with a penchant for grandiosity which she usually backs up. Intelligent, resourceful af, skilled to the point of mastery at age 14. I could go on. But I feel you didn't cover those other aspects of her character much at all. Choosing to focus mostly on her victimhood, what caused it, followed by your psychological justification. If I hadn't seen ATLA and watched your video, I'm not sure I would understand whether you thought the show was good or worth watching.
This leads me to contend that your choice of subject matter and video title is clickbait. And while I think it's fair enough for creators to use that tool to enable channel growth. You kind of want to back up your choice of a fantastic subject with a fascinating take of your own. I watched the entire video and I didn't feel your achieved that because of your focus on psychology.
Again, I'm not trying to hate on you nor discourage you. Honestly I'm just giving you my suggestions.
On the other hand, I am just a viewer giving his opinion and don't have to actually make the videos. This is your channel and you can choose to grow and improve it however you like. So good luck with that :)
I was with you for a bit. explaining more about her than victimhood I was a bit ehh on. then
" If I hadn't seen ATLA and watched your video, I'm not sure I would understand whether you thought the show was good or worth watching."
Anyone who has not seen the show already not the target audience. going out of the way to explain things that were many times said about her before? that is just a waste of video time. like I agree this video could use some mentions that explain more about her. but the whole point is that she is still a victim.
and what does her impact in the story matter? that was never the point of the video. the point was not even to say that she is not in the wrong.
Responsability for her own choices... How about that?
A very powerful, toxic, destructive, evil, hateful victim who is willing to murder her own friends. Sometimes a bad guy is just that - bad. People are accountable for their own actions. A sad back story doesn't justify heinous violent acts of evil. That's a fantasy....🧚♀ "I'm about to be an ONLY CHILD 😈"
But who pitted Azula and Zuko against each other? Ozai and his games of favoritism. Who technically was the first to kill and betray his own family? Ozai. Who subjected his wife, son and daughter to emotional and physical abuse (wouldn't doubt he even SAed Ursa)? Ozai. And Azula grew up watching all of that. Experience that. Nature vs nurture. Perhaps, there might have been something wrong in Azula's head since birth -Ozai's fucked up DNA- but environment plays a heavy role in the development of the child. It will never justify her actions. However, she was a child born in the craddle of abuse and fear, and it shaped who she was, then broke her apart because those kids tend to lack a of self-sense and self-worth. Cannot respond to "Who I am?". And Avatar displayed magnificiently what abuse does to a person.
The video mentions events happening at the time of her performing those actions. it is not a backstory if it is happening in the present.
@Genesis Artek it wasn't only her father that failed her, but her Nation itself by preaching violence, imperialism and genocidal sentiments that made EVERYONE from the Fire Nation believe that it was OK.
Let's not forget that this is the Nation that saw absolutely nothing wrong with Ozai publicly dueling his own son, burning him and banishing him for the minor offence of disagreeing with his generals. Also Azula wasn't the only person smirking but also Zhao, who by the way tried WAY more times to undermine and kill Zuko than Azula ever did.
@@YEY0806 Yeah, I agree everyone failed Azula. I was remarking how Ozai had the earliest impact on her and Zuko. He was the reason why Ursa also tended to display more positive reactions and affection to Zuko.
@Genesis Artek yep, no disagreements there, but it's really annoying how "fans" just stop at concluding that Zuko was abused and then completely dismiss any canon validity or evidence that points to Azula's abuse
I am a victim of this abuse. I am in Zukos position but with no family at all. This is video is right but I think Azula is a socio/psychopath, but I don't have siblings.
Azula chose to be a victim.
Bro she was a child. I feel like a lot of people forget that she was only 14 years old.
The same way as Zuko at Crossroads of Destiny. He allowed himself to be manipulated in spite of knowing Azula lied to him, and seeing affects of the hundred year war on people. Still wanted to be in his father's good graces. However there's hope. She may find her way post show leading into Korra. Zuko wants to help. her mother also.
I understand how someone can think this but abuse is all that she knows bro she doesn't have a way to escape and the golden child often takes after their abusive parents meaning she takes pride in her "family" and is more likely to stay also abuse victims in general stay because of emotional abuse, fear, among several other reasons so think before you judge someone else's mental health issues without the proper education please.
Little did the golden child knew was she was being abused too along with the black sheep without realizing her whole life.
Right on the button brh. Couldn't agree with you more.
Azula is NOT a victim. Azula is malicious. Azula is sadistic. Azula is immoral. Azula is a narcissist. Azula kills with hesitation or regret. Azula is her father's daughter. The Avatar should have taken her bending, locked her up in a deep dark hole, then buried the hole. .
And yet Aang did not and her downfall was tragic. By every account really her downfall should have been a sense of triumph and it was not.
@@AndalusianPhilosopher Aang was compassionate towards everyone, including his worst enemies. "Showing compassion to someone that has none is the worst punishment of all". (The Karate Kid III)
@@cdrocrossdiscovery if you read the comics you can see that Zuko telling Azula that he will love her as a sister no matter what had profound impact upon her. Also regarding Aang. Yes he shows compassion towards everyone, however it does not make him weak or that he does not appreciate the danger. He is more than willing to defend himself and others if need be.
And like I said in spite of everything, the show itself emphasised just how heartbreaking and tragic Azulas fall is.
@@AndalusianPhilosopher The hatred Azula had for Zuko was a tragedy. Azula and Zuko fighting to the death in the Agni Kai was a grave tragedy. As brother and sister they could have been an unstoppable duo. But, to quote the movie Highlander, "There can be only one!"
@@cdrocrossdiscovery well there is still a chance that Zuko and Azula can become unstoppable duo. Post show comics left Azulas story up in the air. We have to wait for new comics to come out as well as new movies from avatar studios. It is crazy that Korra ended years ago, and we still know so little about original gaang. And obviously Azulas fate is mystery.
Yeah, Azula is the victim as everyone that is bad in the series, but that is just a detail, right? In the cartoon as in real life, people are mostly the product of their environment, but surely we needed special care for the "bad woman" because she is a woman. Let me guess, the person doing the video is AFAB. Oh, wow, look, I would have never guessed that.
Bro it’s the 21st century, take your misogynistic views on women back to the past where they belong. I’ve never once said that Azula needs special care cause she’s “bad” and just so happens to be a woman. I’ve outlined a fact and backed it up with proof, it’s as simple as that. I don’t see how gender plays a role in this. So, I’m not gonna waste my energy debating why you’re wrong on so many different levels, cause someone’s clearly been watching one too many Andrew Tate videos, and it shows. Boy bye.
What are you talking about?
@@murilosampaio1264 I will not elaborate.
@@sic996 You know what, based lack of further explanation, idc how concerning your previous comment was anymore
@@murilosampaio1264 good, that's the point.