The Revolution Was NOT Televised | Falcon & The Winter Soldier
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Falcon and the Winter Solider was the first MCU project post-Blip that attempted to address the socio-politics of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Well ... it was no Andor.
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00:00 start
01:53 House Keeping
04:12 Falcon & The Winter Soldier Recap
23:54 Black Comics History Quickie
34:41 Anti-Revolutionary Politics of F&tWS
47:32 WDTM?
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The moment Isaish said "no self respecting black man would ever want to be captain america" he pretty much killed the whole show for me. Because he was RIGHT. And if he's right why do I want to watch a show about a black super cop?
yeah... when you put it like that and look at all the shit america does, it's basically how u put it. black cops suck as much as any other cop bc some of them are willing to be worse to their fellow black men just to prove themselves to the same white cops who would have no issues putting THEM behind bars or 6 feet under the first chance they get :/ wicked and cruel. i love having black folks the face of something big, but after that line it's like... poc as captain america will just bring mostly sour feelings 😔
Yesssssss
I love how he gets like a small footnote in a Captain America museum, and it somehow apparently makes up for decades of horrific torture he was put through.
Isiah basically said any black man that takes up that shield is a coon🦝
@@brucesnow7125 I think according to the show it was basically what the families of the victims of the Tuskegee experiment got from bill clinton. An acknowledgement of wrong doing and an apology and effort to undo the hiding of this history done to him and his brothers in arms.
Sharon not getting a pardon was a funny oversight but imo the more baffling thing was Sam Wilson not being able to get a loan for a small boat after fighting against Thanos. Like did Pepper Pots just ghost every Avenger once Tony died? No way he was doing even the missions in the opening for free.
I don't think you watched the show because Sam clearly states that he has military contracts. The scene in the beginning is Sam being paid. The scene of Sam not being able to get a loan was implied to be because of his race and directly because he didn't have a long enough work history
@@TheDCbiz sure but like, why couldn't Pepper just give him some money lol. like I guess he didn't ask, but WHY wouldn't he have asked??
@@Flameclaw123 There are two reasons. The actual reason or reason why the writers didn't write that is simply because they didn't want to or couldn't afford a cameo of Gwyneth Paltrow.
The narrative reason in the universe is not explained or mentioned. My head canon is that pepper isn't friendly with Sam like that since Sam assisted by dodging of the paralyzation of rhodey, was on caps side during civil war and against Tony which was relying on the accords to maintain the avengers so he could focus on pepper instead of a shield around the world, and also Sam was gone for 5 years and pepper was living a great life not worried over him. Simply put, Sam was Steve's friend not Tony's friend. A better question imo is why didn't Sam ask rhodey?
The Avengers didnt help Wanda when her brother died and then when her boyfriend died.
Bucky gets state therapy, even when the Avengers can get like experimental shit to help him.
They didnt tried to help Peter when the whole Mysterio shit happened.
Funny, this Is kinda how they aré in the comics, The Avengers suck as a team.
@@TheDCbiz she's that expensive for a cameo? Wow...
Honestly, Sam's lack of awareness makes sense to me, as a relatively successful Black man who joined the military and was able to become a superhero... I feel like I see examples of his naïve liberality in real life especially amongst relatively successful Black people, especially when they have found success in white spaces in a way that pulls them away from Black community. There's a sense of losing touch of how race and racism actually work, because they've been able to avoid many of the consequences and are not in touch with people who haven't been able to avoid those consequences, despite their best efforts. We see him getting reminded of reality in those encounters with his sister and in hearing Isaiah's story. And yet, it doesn't push him to actually support Carly and the Flag Smashers but to make cute speeches that amount to nothing. This too is familiar.
Sam is an honorable man why would he join a dishonorable woman bent on murder lol…
As a white feminist, I hear this.
@@michaelpowers6551 I don’t think murder is a good metric to judge morality here lol do you honestly think any of the avengers never killed anyone, let along Sam? Bruh they’re all murderers, you just don’t like the cause.
@@michaelpowers6551 Didn’t Sam literally murder some people in the beginning of the show because they might cross the border?
Also he (Having worked as a spec ops agent for the US FUCKING MILITARY) criticizes a teenage brown girl for killing too many innocent people with bombs, because violence is when the non-state does something, and the more non-state the something is, the more violent it is.
Revolution seems to be an okay thing in the United States as long as it's coming from the far-right. I mean look how many people still glorify the Confederacy. When it comes down to ideology there's not much difference between Nazis and Confederates.
Amerikkka's entire ideology inspired Nazism not just the Confederacy.
This was a big brain comment, I’m going to steal it from you whenever I need to explain this in debates.
This can easily be seen IRL. In many places where displaying the N*zi flag is illegal, you find people hanging the Confederate War Flag instead.... This blew my mind when I first learned about it.
Are you sure about that? Jewish people supported the confederacy and I'm unaware of confederate concentration camps or world domination?
@@DENSITY5404 but how is the confederacy and Nazis similar?
Wild that Zemo of all people has most concrete and consistent motivations throughout the show.
Why is that wild?
As weird as that is (him being an attempt at an adaptation of a Nazi), the MCU Zemo is a incredibly more reasonable guy. I'd try to get payback too, if someone destroyed my country.
@@LukeSky2207 Not JUST his(/hypothetically, your) country, but ALSO 1) family, and 2) that, IN said country, your family held a highly influential/privileged position, making you even MORE invested in its status quo being maintained.
Villians/anti-heroes always pull the shows plot forward, and tend to be the most interesting part of the show.
Zemo: Eugenics bad. The end.
I think shows like The Falcon and the Winter Soldier lead me to look more unfavorably on Civil War as time goes on. Sam was willing to cause collateral damage and risk serious repercussions for defying the Sokovia Accords just because he was so sure Steve was right about Bucky, but wants to rein in Karli and the flagsmashers for fighting against being forcibly removed from their homes? Based on his own rationale in Civil War, he SHOULD be teaming up with Karli.
Nah, Civil War isn't the movie you should reference. Sam's first appearance, Winter Soldier, is though. He KILLED government agents because the government was bad, did corrupt things, and was going to hurt and displace countless people. He didn't need the whole story, he just needed his gear and he'd be there for the fight.
Wdym? Karli isn't an avenger. And Sam does relate to Karli he just doesn't like her killing non enemy combatants like how walker killed a surrendering terrorist
@@muntu1221 But Sam was not yet his own fully fleshed out character
@@TheDCbiz Irrelevant. You flesh out what is there, and what's there is that Sam is dedicated to what's right enough to stand up against the government, as well as respecting the trauma of veterans. Standing up to the government included killing them at one point, but it's suddenly wrong when it's the status quo. This is one of the weaknesses of Winter Soldier. They only fought the government because it was literal nazis from nazi Germany, not because it was unethical.
@@muntu1221 True but in winter soldier Sam didn't kill shield agents who didn't attack him. He shot and killed those who were trying to kill him in the immediate. He didn't go trying to kill those who would surrender or who had just been hired at shield 2 weeks ago. I don't see Karli as a straight villian and her killing the people in the depot did feel out of the blue with no build up but her killing people does show her being corrupted by the serum like walker. In her efforts of a more just world she does feel a need to kill people even herself and her fellow super soldiers what ever is necessary for the cause. At the end of the series she was willing to kill Sam, willing to die and become a martyr, willing to kill the other flag smashers, willing to kill the politicians, didn't apologize for killing lemar, and was willing to kill walker. She put her ideology before human lives despite feeling her ideology helped human lives. Sam has learned from Steve Rogers to only kill those trying to actively kill you otherwise talking them down is best and its partly already his character being that of a group therapist. Which Steve learned from him to do during the blip. I can see how the two characters can feel different about killing believable
I had a bad feeling when this show was trying to villainize the red head girl but the MOMENT when Sam asked Isiah Bradley why he was so mad..... I KNEW this show was bullshit. He deserved a flashback and I kept thinking he was going to get more.
Also I WISSHHHH we had gotten something close to THAT version of Green Arrow on screen.
I loved how Isiah was treated in isolation but hated the conclusion they had Sam come to. Fuck nuance, the realization should have been “Isiah is right. He’s fucking right and now I’m pissed too”.
Who Isiah or Sam? Isiah was similar to Sharon and black pulled or disillusioned with the American dream and imagery until the end. We don't know if Isiah was left leaning but he was a veteran and many of which are conservative along with being an older black man who are frequently conservative leaning.
@@CrowTRobot That's maybe how you felt but would that have felt the character of Sam wilson?
it was more like Sam needed to hear it from Isiahs own mouth. That for sam, Isiah could have been the first Captain America that was a black man which could have done so much for community back in the day. But instead seeing that Isaiah resents the idea in general of any black person taking up the stars and stripes.
@@CrowTRobot John Walker recieved far more hate as as captain america then sam did who for the most part, people were ok with
Another quick thought I've been having about the MCU:
It really feels like these movies (based on the endorsement of the military and air force in real life) are just slowly turning the everyday people of the world who aren't the Avengers into villains, slowly morphing away from the real world politics that informed a ton of the creations. It's almost like they're trying to stay away from the Avengers trying to save people and instead pit them against the 99%.
In Iron Man 3, it was Killian turning veterans into extremis fighters; Toomes being a construction worker now selling weapons because Stark deunionized first responders cleaning up the attack on NYC in the first Avengers; Kilmonger's philosophy and what he and his father witnessed in America and around the world; and the Flag Smashers and the show's insistence on that if you try to fight the system and status quo-- you're bound to be a villain.
I understand the focal point of the Infinity Saga, The Multiverse Saga, as well as the other upcoming sagas that they're planning to make-- but by focusing more and more on larger threats: they're diverging away from real life problems that informed the culture that birthed the comics to begin with; and it worries me that the message will be 'systemic racism doesn't need to be solved because we all have to go and fight Kang and rewrite the multiverse in Secret War so none of your injustices really matter because they happen in every single multiverse'. And honestly-- that just makes the MCU seem nihilistic and careless about restorative justice.
^^^this all this
I disagree, villains having a point is something that happened after everyone got collectively sick of "good vs evil" one dimensional mortality tales. The tension in a lot of these narratives is that there are two sides that are kind of on a similar spectrum. And in some cases the potential of peaceful reconciliation.
Now this is undermined by people wanting flashy action scenes but the underlying foundation of relating with both the hero and the villain is still there.
That being said, the newest spiderman has icky class dynamics for sure but that might be rectified now that everyone has forgotten who Peter is.
@@AN-sm3vj what are exactly the class dynamics in spiderman?
"it's much easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism." racist imperialist violence is so ingrained in our society that conceiving of solutions to it isn't even worth the mcu's time
THANK YOU for saying so concisely what I was feeling but did not have the skill to articulate
it’s amazing to me how Revolutionary Girl Utena made a more significant statement on systemic power structures-both in terms of how they operate and the ways to subvert and circumvent them, if not fully tear them down-in *1997* and without ANY CAVEATS OR EXCUSES given towards those systems that deflates its commentary.
But isn't that an anime based on a manga with more room to tell story AND FATWS didn't try to tell that story. It was focused on the characters of Bucky and sam
Well the creator i known for doing wht he sees nessesary, like when he made sailor moon pretty queer, too much to even hide in dubs.
Sarazanmei is good too, and has really gpod gay cop duoo antivillains. Also , yeah its good else too.
@@TheDCbiz Utena is anime original.
"AND FATWS didn't try to tell that story. It was focused on the characters of Bucky and sam"
FATWS is FATWS because it is FATWS. Circular logic.
@@sutyerator FATWS was a show about falcon and the winter soldier instead of about how to subvert and circumvent power structures, that bad I'd your logic?
BYE
Frankly the final episode of TFAWS gives me A LOT of trepidation about how the MCU is going to tackle the X-Men...
"Have you tried not being a mutant?"
Iceman: "I will, mom. Thanks."
MCU Daredevil is gonna be like - "You know what? Working class suck, I will be a lawyer for rich people".
@@brucesnow7125 he will turn into a prosecutor because no one stands for uncle sam anymore.
@@brucesnow7125 why would daredevil do that in the mcu? In she hulk he says he is a defender for those who can't afford it and she hulk is a millennial who lives with her parents
@@TheDCbiz Jen only moved back in with her parents after losing her job.
My first thought when seeing the Flag Smashers was “oh, another instance of people with valid points and criticism are…the bad guys again?”
It’s a shame how so many of these interesting points get lost. I really appreciated how they started addressing PTSD with Iron Man. There was so many little bits in there that were brilliant, but also entirely overshadowed by how they ended up dropping and ignoring it eventually.
And then they forced The Flag Smashers to cross the moral event horizon so that we wouldn't end up rooting for them in a way that struck me as forced and implausible.
@@dinosaysrawr There was no build up or reason for the writers to do that other than the Uncle Sam leaning over their shoulder to remind them that he doesn't like Americans rooting for the anarchists.
@@hawkins347 , exactly! The awkwardness of it stood out like a broken thumb.
Now THIS is what first inspired me about UA-cam: The intersection of nerdy media that I already love and looking into their sociocultural context! Thank you Princess Weekes!
Disney and their dear 'Midas formula' is the exact reason why as the years go by I resent Disney and everything they do more and more. They are trying not to offend any political side to gain everyone as audience but meanwhile having that teetering ALONG with including all age groups to have toy lines and make the most money they take no risks in storytelling and keep producing superficial decals and lukewarm mediocrity. I'm tired of that saturating the market.
What are you looking for then in terms of entertainment?
The good thing is, when conflicts arise, the guys in the middle tend to be the first to go.
@@LukeSky2207 wdym? Isn't it the far extremes that fight each other over dominance and the "middle" follow whichever side takes power?
I pretty much agree, which is why I usually call Disney stuff as light popcorn flicks. Usually its well enough made and you know what you go to, when you watch one of the movies. The issue is often when they get confused and try too hard to appeal to everyone
"Bucky has only ever been attracted to one white person, and that was Steve Rogers; alright?"
🤣 aw man, that killed me. Like I needed to pause the video... I can't pay attention now. A++ 10/10
That episode of The Crown was amazing. It is the typical class conciliatory stuff until that last title card at the end saying "and Charles never returned to Wales again". Such a wonderful gut punch of an ending to the schmaltzy episode that came before it.
God I have had this conversation with my mom so many times. Like she was like "well Biden will be good because he can reach across the aisle." It's like... You cannot barter with the unbarterable. At some point, things will either get bad enough to where we HAVE to fight to survive or we'll all just die. The inequity in this world is gonna kill every last human. So either way, we're gonna lose people. We are at a crossroads. Pick our poison. It didn't have to be this way but it is and having people hide away from the truth ain't gonna change the truth.
You're a conspiracy theorist.
Reaching across the aisle to people, who have proven again and again, that lying violence and corruption are legitimate political actions, will never make sense to me.
@@moustik31 Did you mean it will never make sense to you...? The double negative at the end is a little confusing. You basically said "reaching across the aisle to [the people you described] will always make sense to me."
Bro what inequity are you talking about where it's literally killing you? If anything the cards are stacked in your favor as we see from the recent Harvard admissions scandal
@@afifmajid8754 Wait wtf? How does the Harvard admissions scandal show that the cards are stacked in anyone's favor except the uber wealthy? Some mega rich parents can grease the wheels for their kids at ivy league schools... so that means everything is fine? Not making any sense dude.
I'm not sure exactly what the OP meant, but there are plenty of inequities to choose from. How about the inequity that leads to thousands upon thousands of homeless people filling up the streets? Every major city is full of people that have been utterly discarded by the system. Can't get treatment for mental health issues or drug problems because the US has the most callous and predatory healthcare system imaginable.
That final scene in Black Panther with T'Challa opening up the country at the UN of all places was very WTF to me. If it was to the African Union, to "third world" countries like BRICS reunion or something would make more sense, but at the UN?????
I know it's a fantasy, it's not real country, but when I watched that I could only think there's no way Europe and specially the US would accept such strong country to exist without them trying to villiainize Wakanda and take it down somehow, and of course, steal vibranium. The next very day the world would be flooded with fake news about how Wakanda's people are oppressed and how they need "democracy" and ridiculous shit like there's a day of the year they can't smile.
Tbh Namor had all rights to be mad. Of course opening up was going to cause so much violence
okay but it is genuinely fucked up and weird that this hyper advanced civilization still has a mf monarchy that's so broken that it was briefly usurped through a black air force himbo using a loophole to become king in a single day. wakanda legitimately needs to be a democracy. and shuri needs to make a weaker synthesized heart shaped herb serum for everyone in wakanda so they can all be super strong(and be able to match the talokans).
@@malum9478 in the comics it's the council who rule the country, the king is basically its protector.
@@malum9478 See... Wakanda's system has worked for them for 100s of years. If it was a systematic issue for them, they would've already changed it. They are also allowed to contest for leadership. You have to remember that the democracies of today are also fucked and more so because they sell the false promise of fairnesa while going abroad to fuck up other countries democracies. At least Wakanda never bombed and invaded countries to install puppet dictators.
Democracy is not a system without problems, you can see it in many Western countries that the population is easily manipulated by powerful people to support horrible acts against innocents, and there are a lot of different places around the world during all human history that were/are doing well without it (not saying monarchy is good, it is not).
The copoganda and military product placement was strong in this show. We can tell that the military is funding Marvels production costs
The show starts with Sam getting racially profiled and ends with him landing on the street in front of cop cars in a beam of light with wings outstretched like he is an angel. The moment I saw that image in the final episode I wanted to throw up.
i swear to god you far left wokesters come up with the stupi dest conspiracies ever. lul
@@galactic85 that imagery was insane! I was like huh 🤔
It’s interesting because it got a lot of criticism from the right for it’s negative portrayal of police.
Well yeah that's how they recruit. One of the most successful military recruitment campaigns was Top Gun. In order to make you show with all the cool military gizmos you have to play by their rules which is basically making recruitment ads for them via movies and TV.
My favorite thing I learned about the American Revolution as an adult is that the taxation wasn't a king being greedy; it was meant to recoup the cost of sending people over. Most history books make it seem like it was overthrowing an act of tyranny but it was actually more like getting a starting bonus at a job and then burning the company down instead of going to work.
But keeping the workers and making them work for free. Can't forget that part.
Wdym?
@@muntu1221 wdym?
@@muntu1221 I don't know what you mean in reference to the colonists being taxed. They were meant to pay back what was essentially a loan for being able to start over in a new country with supplies for infrastructure and instead kicked off a war. Slavery is an entirely different (horrible, disgusting) beast.
The various tax, stamp, etc acts only affected upper income people. And those acts only lasted a little while. Also, the inciting incidents were mostly in Boston. The rest of the colonies needed convincing. Plus, under Mercantilism, the "founding fathers" smuggled to make extra bank. They figured if they had their own business, er country, ahem, they could make bank legally.
Morganthau and Walker are always going to be my Marvel Villains who were completely wasted. Walker because he was this Javert/Ahab like character who was completely driven by revenge and dogma, a dark reflection of Captain America and then he just kinda leveled out in Act 3 and got to quip with the good guys while Morganthau bled out in a corner after doing a bad and must be punished for her sins. I hope they bring her back either through multiverse stuff or being able to survive a bullet to the abdomen, because the idea of Barnes, Wilson, Walker and Morganthau all being inspired to action by Steve Rogers but taking very different things away from him is a pretty rich vein, and an awkward team up would be a very interesting dynamic.
But do those characters work in their context of this show?
@@TheDCbiz not really, they were wasted.
@@moocow1452 how so? How do you feel those characters could've been done better in that series?
john walker was never a villain, and Morganthau, one of the worst examples of an anti hero iv even seen
o.o
A classic situation where the villain is right but then does an oopsie and murders a group of people, making them evil so we can take them down.
So glad to see more of this take. I recall being actually disgusted by the last episode of this show and seeing the sea of middling to positive reviews at the time astounded me.
What about the last ep disgustedyou?
I did always wonder why the Talokan and Wakandans were infighting in the movie. In hindsight maybe the film could have focused on the cia interfering more.
Namor is a dick. That's why. The CIA just gave him a plausible reason.
that'll be thunderbolts i believe
as a Lakota, that was the final final straw of my childhood love of marvel - why are Indigenous folks always the bad guys for wanting to end colonialism and how dare Marvel make Black folks the ones disagreeing with us and listening to the real terrorists (america) I almost took my kids to see it and then I saw a review by Red Nation Podcast
@@AuntyKsTarot because that's not the framing of the actual movie. Namor specifically is the problem there.
The "conflict" in this movie could be resolved in a bar and mediated by Lula
This show sparked off the first big fight me and my ex had. He didn't think it was Marvel's place to say anything about race, even if it was half assed in the way this show was. Glad I'm in a place now where I can try to actually engage with these ideas instead of keeping my head in the sand for his sake.
Heck yeah
I hope you are in a better place now. What issues did you have with the show
@@TheDCbiz this is not me trying to diss you in any way but damn ur in almost every comment replies
@@suuuki7962 thank you I take that as a compliment. I prefer the term prolific
Sounds like you were with a racist
Yeah, black MCU fans (myself included) have developed a very strained relationship with the franchise.
Black Panther, TFATWS, and Wakanda Forever, in particular, have created a weird dichotomy in loving the characters but having issues with the politics. There’s always seems to be a catch.
Killmonger can’t have revolutionary ideals without being the villain. Sam Wilson can’t be Captain America without engaging in respectability politics. T’Challa and Shuri can’t be great heroes without showing mercy to the people that took their parents from them.
The morality is always skewed to Disney’s capitalistic, neutral agenda.
Wdym though? Killmonger is a villain from the comics so no matter his ideology he would always be a villian. But why is Magento or Eric beloved but Erik or killmonger causes you conflict?
It sounds like you don't like the version of heroism or values and morels being taught. What morals or values do you feel should represent black heroism?
@@TheDCbiza problem- giving the good ideas to the people who are supposed to be villains. The only thing some of these writers have the villains do, to show that they’re villains, is kill people. It’s like, other than murder and the odd way they go about enforcing their moral standards, villains such as Killmonger actually have sensible ideas that shouldn’t be shut down even after the bad guy themself is taken care of. They actually did more than they usually do in the MCU, by having T’Challa open some international buildings, but too often ideas that might change the status quo (for the better or worse) are portrayed through villains. And when the villains die or get locked up, the ideas vanish with them. Why do mcu heroes need to wait to save the world from villainy, when they are incredibly influential and can try to create active change without being reactionary? I feel like I only see this in backstories, and a little bit with characters who are supposed to be inventors and whatnot, but every single one of these characters has a method in which they can make great change in the world, and often they just…. don’t.
@@nirvanaheights 1. What do you consider the good ideas given to villians
2. You bring up killmonger. So you have an issue with how the writers resort to killing people as a go to for distancing villian vs hero. Using killmonger as an example how do you feel the writers could convey him to be a villian without being a murder in black panther (2018)?
3. Well to be fair to the mcu, I think the villians being the ones to want to change the status quo is not purely because of hero vs villian narratives but because it makes antagonists more interesting and the mcu kinda has to maintain a status quo or the films and shows woundt be able to be made so the heroes kinda are fighting to maintain the mcu to continue. Take killmonger, if he did win and get what he wants then the mcu would complete change in all upcoming projects and that would probably effect and make harder the projects they wanted to do.
3. Sounds like you are asking why aren't mcu heroes more proactive? Well I think it's for two reasons.
Reason A: The characters aren't proactive from the comics. Tony was one of the few characters who was proactive and it got him in trouble in Ultron and civil war. A suit of armour around the world. Nick fury was. Thor tried to be but learned to be more patient. Banner is towards hulk so it's internal directed. So some characters are and become fan favs. In phase four isn't Namor proactive after first being reactive, Wanda is proactive, Marc Spector, Peter Parker, Dr strange, Zemo, Karli Vision, Sylvie, some members of the eternals try to be proactive specifically cersi and other heroes like Druig while the antagonist like Icarus is a villian who wants the status quo kinda odd because the status quo in universe is for earth to be destroyed but for us the audience obviously earth not being destroyed is our status quo, wenwu and Shang chis sister are both proactive too.
Reason B: that's narratively harder if building a cinematic universe to change the status quo from project to project. The mcu provides consistency narratively by keeping the stories in their own place within the tapestry and tries to avoid one piece of that puzzle from changing the others too much. It's a balance. Certain story elements are characters can change but the setting of the mcu is usually stagnant. There are exceptions like in iron man stark industries stops making missiles, shield is destroyed in winter soldier, civil war broke up the avengers, dark world kills Frigga, etc. Or in phase 4 the status quo of time passing since the blip is the only thing to occur. Rogers the musical too. But multiverse coming together seems the main focus rather than showing what the world is like since a parking garage was destroyed in she hulk or giant hand from the ocean in eternals etc.
@@TheDCbiz Writers create leftists villains and make them do terrible shit to justify their villainy. That’s where the problem starts.
Majority of heroes react, and are fine with making minimal changes to the status quo, which is why they are posed as heroes. Heroes aren’t allowed to be proactive, especially pertaining to social issues.
This is the overt way companies promote anti-radical and anti-leftist sentiment in their media.
We need more shows like Andor and less like the Falcon and And the Winter Soldier.
@@mr.worldwide5566 but what about heroes like green arrow or daredevil or Peter Parker or in winter soldier with captain America being the hero and destroying the mcu version of the NSA? Which villians and heroes do you feel are leftists? How do you feel the mcu could better show heroes proactively dealing with social issues?
10:32 Bucky doesn't have an issue with walker being white but according to the show he feels Walker is a wannabe who doesn't deserve it and genuinely believe Sam should be the one to have it since Steve chose Sam
I'm trying to use nebula more, but navigating the site, actually finding content in interested in, finding other videos by a creator who made one video i liked, finding other videos on a topic that I'm interested in, it's a nightmare. It involves clicking through so many pages and often having multiple tabs open so i can more conveniently go back if i start watching something and realize it's not what i want
I'll send this feedback in ty for letting me know
Yes I agree with you, really want to use it to support these creators, but it’s difficult to navigate and the UI is a bit clunky. I also think some kind of comment section would be great, even if it’s a reddit or something that’s linked off site in the descriptions of each video
same issue
Seconding this ^^^ I gladly support it, but the UI/UX needs a serious overhaul.
yup, unfortunately, I'm all in on supporting Nebula but they make it tough. I'm sure it can get better.
I often find myself in a weird space as a fan of these characters because while I don't necessarily dislike the hero's stance, the idea of having a villain who goes too far has lost all meaning. Their reasons for what they did don't get much more than lip service in the epilogue of the story. I think it'd bother me less if we as a country can't have an honest discussion around who exactly gets to fight back. People on the end of unspeakable cruelty somehow deserve it, but folks who're mildly inconvenienced at BEST are encouraged to take up arms to fight their "oppressors".
I'd be more okay with these media portrayals if we were uniform in agreeing that people (marginalized people in particular) deserve better.
Wdym? What does that conversation have to do with this show?
Exactly it's super frustrating
Now we know Ayo is more Obergefell v Hodges than Loving v Virginia 😉
I’m not over how Sam & Bucky try to meet with some Flagsmashers but every time they do, the members just get up and leave the room and the show frames this as ~SINISTER~ Like, that’s the least confrontational thing they could have done.
Video hits hard as a Brazilian. Currently several (if not all) indigenous peoples are starving due to the inaction of Bolsonaro. And there are religious groups (even inside the House and the Senate) who believe they deserve it, because they were offered aid in exchange for for being converted to christianism and they refused.
We gotta remember, out of all the MCU projects, this show in particular was hit the most by Covid. Since the filming of this show was halted half way due to the lockdowns and the Flagsmashers having had their time radically cut down post pandemic. Because their big role was origionally to redo what Thanos did in wiping out half the world but instead, unleash a virus to do that which hit to close to home with COVID. This show was originally supposed to be longer but again, massive on the spot changes/smaller time slot ended up happening threw forces the show couldnt control
o.o
That third episode was the one that really lost me. For one thing, yes, the motivations of every group is left unclear. But I could forgive muddy themes if the characters were fully developed people that I cared about, and they were just a mess where everyone just behaves like idiot children. That Ayo/Bucky deprogramming scene broke me, and then between him straight up betraying the Wakandans after everything the did for him just because he needed it and then Ayo disarming him (deserved, perhaps, but as someone with a disability, that felt grossly violent and dehumanizing), I was irritated AF with my two favorite characters in this series.
i never got around to watching the show and i'm frankly shocked that it was only 6 episodes, because that seems like too little time to develop either character or plot, let alone both at once. no wonder they dropped the ball.
o.o
How did Andor manage to evade Disney censors and be so damn cool?
Written by Tony Gilroy.
I think it's because it happened "a long time ago in a galaxy far away". It's easier to tell this kind of story when the setting isn't "the world outside your window"
Was wondering the same. 😄 Like, they're allowing the protagonist of a show to be a revolutionary? Really?! lmao
because being revolutionary is really in right now. it honestly should be a big red flag if disney of all people are making revolutionary content because that means the idea of a revolution has now been co-opted
@@ddahlia3607 I can’t think of another Disney product where characters are throwing pipe bomb at riot cops and it’s framed as a good thing
Omg, YES! As a fellow Utena fan, I can say that when I heard those opening chords, I knew you'd picked a perfect song to hammer home your point. SPOT. ON.
I screamed for them to send the shield back to wakanda too, i'm glad to know I wasn't the only one.
I was okay with the Falcon and the Winter Soldier until we got to the finale, and John Walker was on the good side and the Flag Smashers were the ultimate villains. Where I thought the story was going was not where it went. Because I thought that when John Walker killed Nico and then the government publicly dismissed him but then Val came up to offer him a job privately, that they were going a different direction where The Flag Smashers weren't the ultimate threat, John Walker and the US Government were. Cause the Flag Smashers were mostly presented as a bunch of desperate people trying to be heard and actually make a difference. And I thought they had it where they were now in real danger of being taken out by someone who doesn't have the restraints of protecting his image and the image of America. And that Sam would have to defend them because he would realize that the government would do like they always do and try to destroy and take out these revolutionary groups instead of listen to them and enact change. And if he was going to be Captain and be different he had to be a symbol of true change, and that would mean defending the revolution.
But it was the same old bullshit where they stuck to the "right message, wrong methods" , with the Flag Smashers and Karli, so the heroes just had to fight on the same side as John Walker because they were going too far. And then rest of the flag smashers were killed off by Zemo. In the end, it made me question what the point was of bringing up any of these issues were when they could've just ignored it like all the other MCU phase 4 projects. Like they touched on so many things that could've been expanded on later if they wanted to, but in the finale they wrapped up everything in a little bow with the status quo maintained, but with a speech about how things could be different. It was disappointing.
One of my favorite things about your videos is how wide-spread your talking points get. It's never just "Let's talk about this one thing that's bugging me", it's always "And this ties into that, and that, and there's this historical precedent, and then-" It's fantastic and you're brilliant
It's a small piece of a very interesting video, but thank you for touching on Tywysog Cymru as an episode of The Crown. I've got mixed feelings on it but I rarely hear any analysis, of it and the episode about Aberfan. It's good to be highlighted by a major show but I was also conscious that Welsh people's and cultural struggles where being used as a kind of prop to explore the Royal's feelings. Especially Aberfan.
I was also conscious of the absence of the conflict in Northen Ireland outside of the death of Lord Mountbatten. Like "Oh, so we're the safe option huh".
And they still skipped over the bomb attempts.
Also wanted to throw in that it was really interesting to hear about the history of comic book's and Marvel's Black superheroes interspersed between the discussions of the FatWS series. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but It feels like cape comic youtube discussions tend to be either about the screen adaptations, complaining about modern comics, or very brief fun fact videos. I love learning about the historical contexts of these creations.
They skipped over the Troubles with a chilling ease that still makes me uncomfortable.
Another incredible video! Also kudos for using the ending theme of Revolutionary Girl Utena. One of my favorite anime’s of all time. ❤
I'm just generally so tired of stories where they have revolutionaries do murder, to be like "well they may have a point, but they're going about it wrong". And then after they're defeated the status quo remains, because even though the hero may have kind of agreed, they're not gonna do anything about it.
That's one of the main reasons I love Promare so much. The protagonist starts the movie with "sure, oppression is bad, but those rebels should stop with the arson and try talking it out" and ends at "alright, let's take this big robot to beat up the government"
The movie definitely has issues, but it was just such a relief to have the protagonist actually do something about the setting's main problem instead of fighting the people who are trying to fix things for being too violent
all the swirl jokes about bucky has me on the flooor 😂
Not the swirl black girl detector. 😭
Same
All of your asides about Bucky (ie "Wakanda changed him forever") literally made me laugh out loud 🤣
It is wild that there was an entire pandemic storyline that made the story of the show not make any sense because they chose to cut most of the storylines involving the flag smashers due to fear it would be too insensitive showing people dying of a mysterious pandemic during a worldwide pandemic.
13:33 as a bisexual who knows how just how less interesting this universe has made Peggy Carter, I feel soooooo attacked please😭
Glad someone talked about this show. Everything you said I'm in agreement with. The show was just a safe story with a incredibly muddled message and half baked underexplored "villains".
It makes me so happy whenever someone outside of Ireland supports Irish Reunification!!!
(also: amazing video as ever, you never go wrong)
What is Irish reunification?
@@TheDCbiz You know about scottish indepnnce, currently most of ireland is a sovereignnation, and iondependent from the UK.
But seperated as some isnt.
And sam thing scots try to do and didnt only because th eu membrship was such a huge benefit when the public vote was, with focus on was. Free scotland.
It even came up when tengland illegaliy tries to block a slightly tran affirming genderpolicy in prisons.
So yeah free scotland too.
The reunification i making the rest of ireland independent too (and maybe wales) and reunify.
Honestly best case would be like the uk, but without england.
We do! Imperialism is always the villain!!!
@@moustik31 wdym?
@@TheDCbiz I mean this:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_rule_in_Ireland
You touched on a lot of great points! The liberal criticism to violence is laughable when they inflict physical harm on the daily while also engaging in class warfare which is also violence. Rent raises, policy changes, food shortages, genocide apologia etc are all forms of violence, just the ones they're happy to doll out.
Employing underpaid domestic labour.
"It can't be violence unless I'm literally punching someone!"
"But they got evicted and will starve-"
"How unfortunate."
@Trey Chapman Employees are worth a fair amount of the wealth their work create but ok.
Oddly, I was thinking you would make this.
I think Andor happened the way it did, Disney just threw its hands in the air and let someone do whatever he wanted. I feel like disney may have more studio control on 2nd season. Just like Disney's Power Rangers RPM. Lol.
Don't get me on revolution. I'll have an hour rant. Lol.
I weep for what could have been with RPM
@@PASTELclosingsoon same. My little sister got me back to power rangers with that series.
I also think there’s a difference between something happening in a fictional world where they can go “no but things in our world aren’t bad like that!” vs a world that is essentially our own.
Also, in Star Wars they made the Empire cartoon villains. "Dark side bad, light side good". So it so far away from reality that Disney didn't care that much. I'll give Star Wars more credit when they make dark side users and Siths as good guys and the Jedi and light side as villains and actually balance it out.
@@lunavioleta001 That's literally not how the Dark side works.
It’s one of the imperial core’s greatest problems that We are being fed the lesson “America was never a bad guy and should therefore never be treated like one”
I came here for Sam/Bucky validation and I stayed because of everything else
I’m 😂 at every part of the recap about Bucky.
Fantastic analysis as always. I learned a lot.
Laughed so hard at Thor's fade lmao & Bucky's swirl activities. Thanks for the insight as always.
lol @ "his swirl radar" going off
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I had no idea until this moment how much Bo Burnham looks like Kurt Russell.
want to give props to your editors. That "Wakanda changed Him" joke killed me. And playing ending music to Utena revolutionary girl at the end of a video about revolution 🍷🥂
Two things: I choked on what I was eating at “Bob the Builder” and YES to the Thumbelina clip!
Cutting right to the heart of it as always 🔥💜
I loved your take! Very much aligned with what I thought about it. In a phrase the show was very 'Safe'. It wanted sweep these decades long issues under the rug. Thanks for providing another thorough analysis! The world could really learn a thing or two from your research skills.
P.S. loved the shirt lol
I disagree. I think the show was risky and I don't think it was trying to tell the story of those issues but rather a story of how Falcon becomes captain America
@@TheDCbizwhat’s so risky about never taking a side…
@@nirvanaheights I don't see politics purely in a this side or that side ultimatum and therefore I don't see the show have to "choose a side" to be risky. I thought the limited approach on addressing left vs right wing terrorism and the exploration though incomplete of different views towards America and the American dream was risky. I thought playing in so much great areas was risky. To me Karli and Walker aren't so much villians as anti-villian or anti-heroes. I see them as a nuanced but not purely endorsing left terrorism vs right wing terrorist. I also thought the speech specifically what Sam said about governments having an obligation to house all those within their borders ergo homeless and especially refugees or migrants was timely, relevant, and a strong political stance.
@@TheDCbizsorry but telling a government that they have a responsibility to do their job might be a risky and strong statement in the 1800s. This only seems like a big step because it’s Disney and they’re about as spicy as water. Sam talks to some officials in public, tells them to do better, and now ‘oh dear lord they better listen’? It’s really nothing. It’s really the least he could do.
@@nirvanaheights Totally agree with you Meya. It was obvious to me that the show did not want to ruffle too many feathers and was trying to address the current political division without offending anyone. However, you cant talk about race/foreign policy without triggering someone. Thats why I think the show probably would have done better as just a buddy cop show like i.e. beverly hills cop, rush hour, 48 hours, bad boys, ect.
"The face of a morally compromised character" 😂
Your ending song choice of "Truth" from Utena is a great wrap up to this discussion!
good take and you're definitely right about revolution in the modern day. unfortunately we most likely will never see one again even tho we all all the reasons to have one 💀. and idk if you are aware but The Pentagon/DoD need to review any script for films or tv that includes military involvement. so i know for sure things were rewritten sadly.
What laws says the Pentagon or DOD has that power? Why do you seem to want a revolution?
@TheDCbiz Production Agreements, and obviously i wouldn't mind seeing one for everyone's rights,and actual change
Just fantastic. The section on the history of black superheroes was mostly new material for me, a casual comics fan. Thanks for taking the time to build out the analysis. Its easy for me to be cynical about the MCU, it's inspiring to see someone doing the work
Love Nebula and happy to hear about the new content that is on the way. Though I still mostly prefer to watch stuff here on YT - not just to take part in commenting but just to be able to click "like". It feels good somehow!
a note on Welsh indy: we're working on it!!! bit of a slow go but there's been some pretty big protests recently and support for plaid cymru (our national party that supports independence) is rising :)
i think them casting erin kellyman in the role is funny in the sense that she played enfys nest, a revolutionary figure in solo who is completely validated in that movie (tho i know that specific movie wouldn't have done more with it), then make her play essentially the same type of character AGAIN and say she's wrong for doing it 💀
OH MY GOD THAT ENDING SONG. I felt that in my bones.
I stumbled upon your PBS videos and followed them to your channel and I have not left this channel in weeks 😂 thank you for your work ❤
I tend to get in disagreements with my family about media needing to “say something,” however, FATWS was one of the first times we agreed. The writers wanted to “say something” so badly but it ended up getting shredded, muddled, and sunk to the bottom of the Disney anti-revolutionary miasma to the point where it almost would’ve been better if they didn’t even try. And it’s a shame, because for a few minutes, we had some decent anarchist representation. For a few minutes, we had a critical take on the western military industrial complex. For a few minutes, we had an exploration of liberal colorblindness. But when you have only a few minutes of 270 minutes doing something interesting/saying something profound, the point is lost.
On the subject of The Crown, listening to that part of the video, and putting that into the context of flag smashing anarchists, there's a great video by the Anarchist youtuber Anark, in which he introduces anarchism, but also describes what he calls mega-mechanical colonization. The colonization of the world by the state machine. He talks about how the imperialism of the United States and Europe was preceded by the colonization of Europe itself, by its own imperial powers. The spread of English in the British Isles being a good example, but also the dying off of the many Paleo-European cultures by the Indo-Europeans, represented by the Celts and Greeks and Romans. We have all of us, in some way, been colonized. The goal for me is to reject in every way, that state machine and power which drives colonization.
In any case here is the video ua-cam.com/video/Ag9EcQsqP_8/v-deo.html
We have. Mainland French regional languages are almost extinct compared to its neighbouring countries.
o.o
btw your cat is the fluffiest, sweetest lil' creature. loved their cameo :')
Well worth the wait!! I was entirely here for the side Bucky commentary🤣!
Anyways, I have nothing thought provoking to add I just really enjoyed this video and amazing points that were brought up.
I will say I still did enjoy the show but a lot of pieces were missing and I highly believe it’s because they didn’t want to come off as “too extreme” go big or go home. Still enjoyed it though and I am a Bucky simp so I’ll watch whatever he is in.
I'm glad I clear out my queue and purposely set aside a block of time when your vids drop. They're always packed full of history, media, insight, and things that make you think about it. You tie it all together with entertaining and easy to understand bow on top. Another masterpiece, Princess Weekes! You even walked through the crypt of comics of old to pull source material on this one! Things I didn't even know about in the comic world as the only black character I was ever aware of growing up with any regularity was Storm. Didn't even learn who Black Panther was, short of a cameo of two, until the movies. Sure hope the MCU doesn't take another 40 years to put on screen what they've already managed to hit upon in the comics. But knowing Disney--
YAAAYYYY IM GLAD YOU MADE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS
I’ll be honest, I knew I couldn’t take the politics of this show seriously despite what it was trying to call out and talk about the moment they opened with Sam still doing contract work for the military. Because how do I take seriously a supposed critique of military industry complex and policing and imperialistic attitudes when the hero still works and kills people for that very system. For me, the show basically boiled down to white supercop bad, but black supercop and good white supercop we like are okay. It just all feels very hypocritical.
This video proves why having different perspectives are important. Your take on this video digs at an intersection that I have felt but haven't heard.
this is an incredible video! i was somewhat captivated by the falcon and the winter soldier when it came out and hearing your input on it is honestly amazing! much love!!
Isn't maintaining the status quo what the MCU is all about?
Or is it what Hollywood "liberals" call "incremental change"?
I still don’t know why they’re still advertising *this specific show* on UA-cam.
I am so glad I found this video, I just knew the show was off the mark but I never found anyone who talked about it. Thanks for making this absolute gem!
Honestly walker is the walking embodiment of why cap never wanted government oversight. You do what they want you too and then toss you aside when you’re no longer useful.
I think you meant Hayley Atwell, not Natalie Dormer (who was in CA:TFA for about 30 seconds). But I digress.
I think the deal with Isaiah statue is to insert him back into history, let people know how super soldiers were created, since no one knew he ever existed and what he went through. They were shining a light on him! Finally telling his story. Isn't that of value?
Exactly how I saw it, thank you.
Okay I LOVE this breakdown of the series (with the added commentary) and I NEED you to breakdown all series from now on cause I was cackling ! 😂
Woah that ending theme hit the nostalgia hard and took me quite a moment to remember where it was from! Revolutionary Girl Utena... Fitting for this video...
If anyone is looking for a new black-led comic book to read, the Monica Rambeau/Photon series written by Eve Ewing is really good so far!! Also, it’s pretty early in its run, so not too many issues to catch up on 👌🏿
Oh boy i felt that "202 ... Sigh 3"
Fantastic video! Wanted to come on to express how much I loved the Revolutionary Girl end credits : )
Excellent video as always and OMG ending it with truth. Rinbu revolution is my anthem so I often forget truth is such a banger too. Gotta go put that Utena album on.
This is a really interesting and important topic to discuss. I remember not that long ago climate activists threw soup onto a Van Gogh painting here in the UK and most of the media and the people I spoke to about the issue all agreed that it was an unjustifiable act. And although I really dislike the idea of iconic artwork being potentially damaged or destroyed, I remembered thinking about the things the suffragettes did back in the day, like breaking glass windows and blowing up mail boxes etc. and we now think of those things as heroic because it was the only way to get anyone to take the suffragettes seriously and helped secure women the vote. We all keep agreeing that climate change is awful and the world is going down the toilet but condemn anyone wanting to do something dramatic to get taken seriously. Again, i’m not saying I agree or disagree with that action, but the idea of what we are willing to do or what is considered as an acceptable form of protest is an important issue of discussion. Especially when it seems we are constantly taking one step forward and two steps back when it comes to activist movements. As you said, there was everything that happened after George Floyd and Black Lives Matter and then what felt like a huge backlash with right wing extremists and January 6th. Then there was the MeToo movement and that had its own backlash with things like the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard case and rolling back abortion rights.
Also appreciated the discussion about us here in Wales and the monarchy. For a long time it seemed like the Welsh language may eventually be lost to most in Wales (I’m not fluent myself) due to being assimilated into English culture. Most of the world tend to consider us just a part of England and not our own county with our own heritage. It does seem like there’s been a bit of a resurgence of Welsh nationalism in recent years though. I think my niece and nephew will grow up being able to speak the language even though myself and their parents don’t.
Colonizer gorilla grip 😭
Thanks for your analysis and perspective! Excellent video
The all video is a hit but the last segment really got me thinking. Good job!
I am so glad I made "by Odin's fade" live in your head rent free
The way the British feel about the royal family is so strange to me (I'm originally from there). And it feels even more backwards now having a king. But the defense of having the monarchy existing is based mostly on propaganda we are raised with, and a sense of "consistency" despite the horrific things that have happened (and let's be honest, continue to) due to the monarchy. They're seen as something quaint and quintessentially English, and getting rid of them would seem like saying the British have a bad history. They do! I only found out what actually is our history after I left the country at 15, as schools only teach certain things to make Britiain look "great" and it's taken a lot of unlearning to get to the point I am now
Great video sis! To lead a discourse with perspective, nuance, and receipts is a nearly extinct art, so I appreciate your contribution here!
I absolutely love what you are saying about calling out how apathy and indifference are seen as nonviolent! Just how we are programmed to be good citizens is creepy. Always love your pieces.
Beyond the corporate imperialist schilling in the show, I also noticed that it seemed to suffer A LOT from last minute rewrites/edits. I don't think the show as it was originally conceived would have been "better" politically (the US Military and Disney would never allow that) but at least it would have been more... coherent.
Ending credits with the Utena theme. . . Epic move!
I loved the bit talking about the comics. As much as I enjoy getting to talk to family and friends about these characters who they wouldn't even know existed without the movies, I'm always pushing for people to at least give reading these comics a shot, they're absolutely worth the time.
Peggy is Hayley Atwell not Natalie Dormer but honestly it doesn't matter cause they're both fine so.. Also Bucky and his swirler detection abilities 🤣