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I understand if they haven't watched one piece but, putting aot over it doesn't make any sense. I know it's one of a kind but, one piece has a bigger impact and a very popular manga. Edit: At least he realized his mistake
As a Naruto fan, sonic sweeps. He defeated Solaris, a 4D being who has temporal omnipresence and eats universes for lunch. No way they got a chance on him
People truly don't understand how broken game sonic is. And in generations he as well as a weaker version of himself beat time eater was was going to destroy and create new timelines on some xenoverse shit. People need to be educated
@@Dbzfan-1000 would never miss a class if that were the case. Just imagine, lessons on bankai, haki, the different tailed beasts, analysises on who could body who.
As a fan of naruto growing up, we need to stop disrespecting dragon ball. It's the OG, and it's power system is waaaaay beyond anything the strongest character of naruto can do
And the creator of naruto was literally inspired by dragon ball. Without dragon ball, there would most likely be no naruto. Dragon ball is truly the statue of anime.
@@asianwarrior2193 true that, Oda and Kishimoto ( and I think also the creator of Bleach ) have all been inspired by DB. And most recent anime have been inspired by the big 3, it’s a chain reaction of good anime inspiring more good anime, and I love it, because eventually there will be anime better than things we consider the best right now.
I get what you are trying to say but maybe you should try to say it in a less provokotive way for those die hard Naruto fans who will run your fade and think that Naruto base solos jiren ultra instinct
I think that's an interesting fact, even as old as Goku is I feel like he could still have some more character growth but like you said it's been completed since DB
@@NoNoDontTouchMeThere gokus development in z was primarily him accepting he was a sayien, and his whole finding someone who can take his place. Other then that I would also say that goku development more as a father, even though he never really was a bad father he never until cell realized that gohan didn’t like fighting and after that he accepted that gohan wasn’t the one to take his place
I feel like the main point of Dragon Ball was that there is always room to improve. Marital arts is about being better than the you from yesterday. There is no such thing as a complete character in Dragon Ball.
@@redryujin9395 yea, that is the one lesson goku will never forget from master roshi, even though you think you’re the best there’s ALWAYS someone better, so never stop improving.
4:00 Alright so there's something I need to say about this. Yes, Goku really doesn't develop much throughout the show. But that's the point. Goku isn't written as a character that develops that's not the role he has in Dragonball. Goku is a Character that pushes others around him to improve. He already has the correct mindset, he already is pure of heart and heroic. Goku is the kind of Character that makes everyone else around him realise their mistakes, realise their flaws, realise the lies they live by. He has done this to almost every single Z fighter and even to a lot of characters that aren't part of the main cast. The kind of character trope Goku occupies isn't one that develops much, it's one that makes others develop. Thank you for coming to my ted talk please enjoy the rest of the video
@@valdrindodaj5029 that's not the point of what I wrote. Of course most protagonists are the same but you can't deny that Goku is top tier when it comes to this role and most modern protagonists that fill this role in their show are directly inspired by Goku. My point was to kinda disprove the people that shoot at Goku because "hE dOesN'T dEveLoP So hE mUSt bE TRaSh"
One character development goku had was embracing his race the sayians at the beginning of the series he said he is human to raditz and he'll never be a sayian like him but knoe st the end of dragon ball super broly he told broly to call him kakort why because thats his sayain name and hes embracing it
Even Kishimoto and Ikemoto loves DB. And took inspiration from it. DB is the reason why anime is worldwide, and also the reason why studios put so much effort in making it.
But how does that make dragon balls story and characters any better? Sure you can respect dragon ball and all but saying it’s better because it inspired other anime’s? Nah that doesn’t add anything to it
Dragon Ball also inspired bad anime worldwide, look at Beyblade Burst Sparkling, we got the main villain doing Dragon Ball shit, next thing, everyone hate it, definitely Dragon Ball fault
5:50 - 6:08 My dude stop the cap, Vegeta hugging Trunks and then sacrificing himself in Buu Saga happened! 😆 and let's not forget about Android 16 in Cell Games Saga!
Ok, but he is kind of right, Tons of moments in DB will *never* have the same impact as Naruto ones. And thats because they reverse deaths in DB so much. The feeling of a loved character dying, or not knowing if they will die and you're nervously waiting for the next episode to see if they live. That isnt something that happens in DB, they have the dragon balls so you never truly go "I hope no one dies in this very dangerous Arc". The entire tournament of power didnt have the same amount of weight either. Like, sure the fights are cool, but in terms of how tense the moments felt it wasnt there. Because even after Zeno killed all the other universes, they once again brought everyone back. Character deaths dont have any weight cause of things like that. But this is just how I view it and you probably see it a different way entirely.
I mean it seemed like he was talking about goku making no emotional impact on the series Since he did say “this monkey ass” with goku in the background
@@onyxstyx9552 there is a limit on how much the characters can be brought back and it is 4 ( taken from both shenron and porunga). The reason db characters rarely die is that all characters gets the main character love. if you really want to know the future trunks timeline is the true timeline and everybody died there except trunks and mai
If we’re talking about game sonic, In Sonic Forces, he outruns Null Space, which is supposed to be infinite. If we’re talking about Archie Sonic, he is the embodiment of chaos, able to turn water into fire, run between raindrops and much more. So yeah, Sonic is pretty busted for his universe
@@mpgodjrI’m pretty sure that was in his very early stages of his comic book in those early stages he brought every single version of himself from alternate universes in about 6 seconds every single one
Luffy is the same character from the beginning of the series. Hee hasn't changed. But that doesn't mean he has no character development. Character development doesn't mean a character has to change. People need to get their definitions right. Character development means that the character is fleshed out in the story so that we understand them properly. We understand their history, their motivations, the decisions they make and their personalities. That is character development. If you understand the character well, that character has been developed, whether he changes or not. A character doesn't need to change to be a developed character. Goku not changing doesn't mean he had no character development. Properly understanding Goku means he has had character development
“Luffy is the same character as the beginning of the series, he hasn’t changed” I think this is wrong, there is a big difference to pre and post timeskip luffy because of marineford
@@quantumkage thing is you didn’t know they were gonna get reanimated we all knew goku wouldn’t stay dead he’s the main character same with most other characters and with future gohan you knew it was a different timeline it wasn’t the gohan we knew sure it was sad but naruto most definitely has sadder and way more heart felt moments
@@dawnybreed9551 nah, my point is that you can be a plot device while still being interesting. Villains like Darth Vader or joker are both greats in their mediums but are still technically plot devices because they fit the shoes of the character who has to start the plot and influence the other characters emotionaly
@@dawnybreed9551 So, you see the main character is supposed to beat the villain, also let's not forget that he lost to Cell, muten roshi, king piccolo and was outclassed by Vegeta. Also that isn't the only plot device, zenkai boost too. And mangekyo sharingan is one of the biggest plot device I have seen.
2:06 I swear people only say this because Luffy doesn't use only one move like naruto or goku. Luffy doesn't really have a signature move cause he's always switching it up and improving
You're right on this but another point I would add is that the person in the tik tok said that Luffy wasn't contributing to the attack's completely forgetting Ryou haki (idk if I spelled that right)
For a time, maybe I would've agreed with you about Apoo playing better music than Brook especially with what we're seeing in Wano, but aside from the fact that Brook's back story (specifically the Bink's Sake portion) touched my soul, I had a whole new appreciation for him after seeing Soul King in WCI. That ability is disgustingly cool to me. Especially considering we never even saw it box. Perhaps it only works on souls and wouldn't have any combat usage, but we saw him use it on fodder in fishman island, and considering Soul King is a step above that my headcanon is that his soul is so strong it manifests a physical form. I haven't forgotten that we're not power scaling here, we're talking about who we think is a better musician, and frankly I think my point stands. Brook is literally touching souls and Apoo has only given me some neat grooves.
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I'd name the combination attack " Thor's Rasengan of Destruction" Thor comes from luffys electricity attacks he used against katakuri Destruction comes from Turtle Destructive Wave ( kamehameha
2:20 Luffy can use the Leo Bazooka which has a very similar pose to Goku when using the Kamehameha. But on the contrary to Naruto and Goku he wouldn't throw this Rasen Shuriken or this Kamehameha and let the energy do all the work, he would literally use it point blank and thrust this ball of energy into his enemy's body and his Ryuo (even though it's technically even better than Ryuo) would even help him get past his enemy's defense/durability. And, unlike Naruto, Luffy wouldn't have a problem to use the Rasen Shuriken this way because the tiny needles wouldn't get past his armament haki. Luffy could even use his Leo Rex Bazooka that he used in Film Gold against Grand Tesoro to make it even better.
3:02 “that can blow up a planet” nah, more like what are they contributing to a guy who was going to wipe out the entire universe with THREE punches. Also gokus character development is insane, he went from a low class saiyan sent to earth to annihilate it to basically the son of grandpa gohan, who he ended up killing and didn’t even realise he did it until he saw another saiyan go ape. he never accepted raditz as his brother but then on namek he decide to fight for the people of namek and to avenge all the saiyans and vegetas pride. even in the buu saga he spared fat buu because he wanted the younger generation to have a chance to defend earth so he knew they’d be okay if he left (keep in mind this goku is a saiyan, that’s literally against his BIOLOGY) so people that hate on gokus development clearly didn’t watch the show. also nice vid as always bro
Yall saw how the "Aot> other anime" dude responded after watching one piece? yeah we aren't lying when we say one piece is amazing, so if your scared to get into it because of its length, get over it
@@youkindacute6898 your loss my man I finally got over the length and watched it this year. Now anytime someone says it’s not goated I just laugh bc it so obviously is
9:10 There is a huge difference between reanimation jutsu and dragon ball revival. Naruto had a problem with not letting characters stay dead, like with Might Guy. Might Guy should've died in the war, him being brought back ruined the whole point of him going into the 8th gate. With reanimation, they aren't even brought back permanently. You still have the loss, and the emotional value in their death stays. With dragon ball, any good guy that dies, will just come back. Vegeta had that whole moment but obviously he'd get brought back with the dragon balls. Dragon balls ruin all death, but Naruto can have deaths that stay and have meaning. All in all, Naruto has a similar problem on a much smaller scale, but you used the wrong point to put that across.
That’s a good point actually. I mean I brought it up because even if a reanimated character is not fully alive, the fact that they can be reanimated makes it feel like it’s not the end forever. But yes, DBZ does it on a much higher scale for sure
Yeah and there’s a plot hole, shenrons rule is that he can’t bring someone back from the dead twice… the amount of times one city got all of their civilians killed and brought back, surely some of those cities got brought back more than twice
The fact that sonic has hyper which is Infinite speed beyond since super sonic is infinite speed shows he can wash any universe unless it's like gag manga or something.
I find it hilarious that guy said you get no emotional moments from dbz like vegetas sacrifice, goku's sacrifice, master roshi's death in dragon ball and his near death in super, piccolo's sacrifice in the saiyan saga and krillins deaths didn't happen 😂
Super Sonic in game canon has faced a god that erased the concept of time and space and beat it with minimal effort and a little help. Game canon Sonic, by far the weakest Sonic, is able to deal with a Zen-oh level threat minus the erasure. Archie Sonic can REWRITE THE UNIVERSE FROM BEGINNING TO END WITH ONE ACTION, A ZEN-OH LEVEL ACTION. Goku and Sonic would most likely have a very heated and close fight and Sonic solos everything under dragon ball levels of power.
Classic Archie Sonic ran so fast that Reality started to warp around him. Within Sonic’s reality there’s Infinite Realities that make up an Infinite Multiverse. So sonic clapping naruto
4:33 Two out of those three examples was just Goku doing something because he got to fight someone strong or get the opportunity to get stronger to then fight someone stronger than he could before
Okay but the stakes aren't higher when like every episode of db a planet getting blown up, but in Naruto they just killed of pervy sage just to let us know the leader of the akatsuki was no joke. But no hate I'm a huge fan.
8:51 *The Future Trunks special and When Teen Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 after literally seeing 16 dying while giving a epic speech* like literally Dragon Ball Z was gruesome and great
“Dbz has no choreography” Majin Vegeta vs Goku : 😶 Kid Krillin vs Kid Goku : 😶 Kid Goku vs Grandpa Gohan : 😶 Goku vs Piccolo : 😶 Kid Goku vs Mutaito : 😶
Now I'm a chill guy, I've watched one or two animes but the fact this man (5:39) had the AUDACITY to say DBZ is trash yet he looks like someone who would say 'can he beat goku tho' in the comments on every non DBZ video?
The part about Naruto having more hax kinda bugs me a lot... (For the record what I'm about to say is based on Archie Sonic and not Video game Sonic) Archie Sonic is damn near outerversal if not already beyond that In his strongest state he can literally just wish you away, not to mention his extremely enhanced speed, strength, and durability. In his base form he collected one billion rings and each ring has a bit of chaos energy inbued within them (Chaos energy is what makes super sonic and hyper sonic a thing) and the literal God of the sonic verse said the best way to kill him is for him to die of old age because he's literally that strong... And since he has so many rings, he can pop super sonic and hyper sonic at any given time Although for Ultra Sonic he needs a crap ton of rings (It was never specified how many he needs) He also can pop super and hyper sonic with the chaos emeralds and super emeralds too if he want's to save the rings he has for Ultra Sonic.. In his Ultra Sonic form he destroyed the universe and recreated it in like 5 to 10 mins and in base form he traveled the entirety of the multiversal highway in a day
Oh this is new, sonic in the thumbnail? Edit: I knew that video was going to pop up lol. And the video shown was just game sonic. Archie Sonic is on a whole other level though 💀 Archie Hyper Sonic VS MUI Goku would be a fight I would love to see lol
It’s crazy. We looking at things like naruto with kurama and all the different ninjas and then sonic can just clap them all. I had no idea he was so strong.
No cap sonic such a broken character the games and levels cant fit him (ex: bullshittery in sonic forces and how people complained u just press forward) the team innovates but mans so fast the game just destroys itself. Without purposely including skips in levels and just ways to destroy the completion of levels (ex: sonic adventure games where mans can just skip through half the level and its intended) sonic kinda feels lacking. No cap the grandaddy of sonic 100% is dbz. Hyper sonic is inspired by the multiple saiyan forms and super sonic being easily inspired by the dragon balls and super saiyan. No cap Sonic is bs powerful.
I hate how people bring up dragon ball Z’s pacing when the manga and Dragon ball Kai exist. Kai has no pacing problems and it removes ALL of the useless filler. Also regarding goku’s character development I do hope people know that there’s something called the OG dragon ball. I hate how people ignore the development of characters like Yamaha, Tien, Piccolo and Goku. Goku was literally isolated for years until he met Bulma and the squad. He also wasn’t even that interested in martial arts until Roshi was introduced and showed Goku a different world regarding martial arts. Also Goku losing to Roshi in the tournament was extremely important to his character and due to this loss Goku was alot less cocky and worked harder to eventually surpass his master. Also Goku learning about his Saiyan nature from Raditz and finally accepting it in his battle against Frieza is also a great example of Goku developing. Goku repeatedly denied and rejected his saiyan nature and him finally accepting it helps him progress and develop as a character. People who say Goku has no character development are literally casuals who didn’t even watch the show
8:03 don't you just love how frieza's head is turning into a raisin while the background music is so happy makes you want to eat a happy meal because your so happy that a guys head is slow turning into a raisin. :) Not going to lie he did deserve it.
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Agreed with everything he said until he said DBZ fights are more impactful than Naruto. That's wrong. Every Naruto fight has some sort of meaning that we nearly always see down the line, while DBZ can sometimes just shove fights in our face because that's what the people want to see and a lot of the time there is no actual affect on the story unless it's a really major fight. DBZ is awesome, but that's just my take.
I respect it for sure! I mean Naruto fights are definitely impactful as well, no doubt but I also think every fight in the majin buu arc and Frieza arcs were impactful tbh
Goku leaving with shenron in dbgt then his and vegeta’s descendants seen fighting while an old pan spots goku who soon disappears as she runs to him is a pretty damn heart felt moment. Ik people say that this series isn’t canon but it’s ending is pretty good for a anime series that is not written by Toriyama
People are way too obsessed with their own definition of character development. It’s like the ppl who hate on luffy saying he doesn’t have character development. Just because you maintain your overall personality does NOT make you a bad character or mean you have no character development that’s just absurd. Naruto had such drastic character development because he desperately needed to mature and rethink his priorities, and in his context it’s important. Every character doesn’t need to do a 180.
The part where android 16 died was pretty, and there was the time commeey fused with piccolo, the time niel died , the time where frieza justs came in and killed all the namekians, the time when buu became friends with hercule, the time when the name kian grand elder dies, the time when braddock, the time when grandpa gohan died , where all sad moments so DBZ does has some emotional moments
"no emotional fights in dragon ball" Me: Future Gohan Vs the Androids, Trunks Vs the Androids for revenge Gohan ssj2 Vs cell, Goku and vegeta weakened Vs kid buu. I don't understand some tiktokers lol
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I understand if they haven't watched one piece but, putting aot over it doesn't make any sense. I know it's one of a kind but, one piece has a bigger impact and a very popular manga. Edit: At least he realized his mistake
Looks up manga Psyren author by Toshiaki Iwashiro and his assistant by Yuki Tabata the Black Clover really good art style
I'm still mad at how Naruto and Sasuke (both father's) got disrespected on fathers day
As a Naruto fan, sonic sweeps. He defeated Solaris, a 4D being who has temporal omnipresence and eats universes for lunch. No way they got a chance on him
People truly don't understand how broken game sonic is. And in generations he as well as a weaker version of himself beat time eater was was going to destroy and create new timelines on some xenoverse shit. People need to be educated
That's not even getting into the Archie comics sonic, who is insanely fast
Solaris ain't omnipotent homie.
He also outran a black hole
@@ringsquidoftheonepiece5493he has Temporal omnipresence, mb
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Anime tiktok has to be one of the most controversial places you can go to for takes on certain anime’s or debates
And I love them for it. 😆 Anime TikTok + CBR's weird takes = more Rob and more Shonen Showdown content! 🙏🏾
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I completeley agree with you. then i saw your pfp
@@lennyjerry7017 whats wrong with it?
@@ishowblackie7620 not gon with waves 😭😭😭
I wish Shonen Showdown posted everyday his content is so entertaining
I feel the same way
Fax bruh, this man could narrate bread molding and I'd watch it all throughout
@@mexicandannyphantom2668 I wish they was my teacher for school
@@Dbzfan-1000 would never miss a class if that were the case. Just imagine, lessons on bankai, haki, the different tailed beasts, analysises on who could body who.
@@mexicandannyphantom2668 I'm coming on time every single day
As a fan of naruto growing up, we need to stop disrespecting dragon ball. It's the OG, and it's power system is waaaaay beyond anything the strongest character of naruto can do
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And the creator of naruto was literally inspired by dragon ball. Without dragon ball, there would most likely be no naruto. Dragon ball is truly the statue of anime.
@@asianwarrior2193 true that, Oda and Kishimoto ( and I think also the creator of Bleach ) have all been inspired by DB. And most recent anime have been inspired by the big 3, it’s a chain reaction of good anime inspiring more good anime, and I love it, because eventually there will be anime better than things we consider the best right now.
I get what you are trying to say but maybe you should try to say it in a less provokotive way for those die hard Naruto fans who will run your fade and think that Naruto base solos jiren ultra instinct
@@Tristanmightbehere I think thats valid but nothing will ever be better than one piece to me at least.
As a sonic fan I am glad to see him getting the recognition he deserves
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Me too
I’m kind of wondering which version of sonic they were using as well
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@@awsomedude23456 if it's Archie comics then sonic beats all
Funny thing, even if goku had no character development. HE DOESNT NEED TO. His arc was complete by the end of db classic he's a complete character
I think that's an interesting fact, even as old as Goku is I feel like he could still have some more character growth but like you said it's been completed since DB
It would also take away from him being an idiot in everything but fighting if he learned any new life lessons.
@@NoNoDontTouchMeThere gokus development in z was primarily him accepting he was a sayien, and his whole finding someone who can take his place. Other then that I would also say that goku development more as a father, even though he never really was a bad father he never until cell realized that gohan didn’t like fighting and after that he accepted that gohan wasn’t the one to take his place
I feel like the main point of Dragon Ball was that there is always room to improve. Marital arts is about being better than the you from yesterday. There is no such thing as a complete character in Dragon Ball.
@@redryujin9395 yea, that is the one lesson goku will never forget from master roshi, even though you think you’re the best there’s ALWAYS someone better, so never stop improving.
4:00
Alright so there's something I need to say about this.
Yes, Goku really doesn't develop much throughout the show. But that's the point. Goku isn't written as a character that develops that's not the role he has in Dragonball. Goku is a Character that pushes others around him to improve. He already has the correct mindset, he already is pure of heart and heroic. Goku is the kind of Character that makes everyone else around him realise their mistakes, realise their flaws, realise the lies they live by. He has done this to almost every single Z fighter and even to a lot of characters that aren't part of the main cast. The kind of character trope Goku occupies isn't one that develops much, it's one that makes others develop.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk please enjoy the rest of the video
This is a really good point !!
Tell me one shonen protagonist who doesn’t do that
@@valdrindodaj5029 that's not the point of what I wrote. Of course most protagonists are the same but you can't deny that Goku is top tier when it comes to this role and most modern protagonists that fill this role in their show are directly inspired by Goku. My point was to kinda disprove the people that shoot at Goku because "hE dOesN'T dEveLoP So hE mUSt bE TRaSh"
One character development goku had was embracing his race the sayians at the beginning of the series he said he is human to raditz and he'll never be a sayian like him but knoe st the end of dragon ball super broly he told broly to call him kakort why because thats his sayain name and hes embracing it
Goku and Giorono are like pillars for other characters to build on they have solid quality that inspire other people to push them selves
Even Kishimoto and Ikemoto loves DB. And took inspiration from it. DB is the reason why anime is worldwide, and also the reason why studios put so much effort in making it.
But how does that make dragon balls story and characters any better? Sure you can respect dragon ball and all but saying it’s better because it inspired other anime’s? Nah that doesn’t add anything to it
@@Tyreker Hes just saying DBZ was inspiration for these animes but he isnt saying the story is better stop randomly assuming
Dragon Ball also inspired bad anime worldwide, look at Beyblade Burst Sparkling, we got the main villain doing Dragon Ball shit, next thing, everyone hate it, definitely Dragon Ball fault
5:50 - 6:08 My dude stop the cap, Vegeta hugging Trunks and then sacrificing himself in Buu Saga happened! 😆 and let's not forget about Android 16 in Cell Games Saga!
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imo wish they could have brought him back:/
Ok, but he is kind of right, Tons of moments in DB will *never* have the same impact as Naruto ones. And thats because they reverse deaths in DB so much. The feeling of a loved character dying, or not knowing if they will die and you're nervously waiting for the next episode to see if they live. That isnt something that happens in DB, they have the dragon balls so you never truly go "I hope no one dies in this very dangerous Arc". The entire tournament of power didnt have the same amount of weight either. Like, sure the fights are cool, but in terms of how tense the moments felt it wasnt there. Because even after Zeno killed all the other universes, they once again brought everyone back. Character deaths dont have any weight cause of things like that.
But this is just how I view it and you probably see it a different way entirely.
I mean it seemed like he was talking about goku making no emotional impact on the series
Since he did say “this monkey ass” with goku in the background
@@onyxstyx9552 there is a limit on how much the characters can be brought back and it is 4 ( taken from both shenron and porunga). The reason db characters rarely die is that all characters gets the main character love. if you really want to know the future trunks timeline is the true timeline and everybody died there except trunks and mai
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If we’re talking about game sonic, In Sonic Forces, he outruns Null Space, which is supposed to be infinite. If we’re talking about Archie Sonic, he is the embodiment of chaos, able to turn water into fire, run between raindrops and much more.
So yeah, Sonic is pretty busted for his universe
Well, running in between raindrops isn't that impressive for fiction.
@@mpgodjrI’m pretty sure that was in his very early stages of his comic book in those early stages he brought every single version of himself from alternate universes in about 6 seconds every single one
Luffy is the same character from the beginning of the series. Hee hasn't changed. But that doesn't mean he has no character development.
Character development doesn't mean a character has to change. People need to get their definitions right.
Character development means that the character is fleshed out in the story so that we understand them properly. We understand their history, their motivations, the decisions they make and their personalities. That is character development. If you understand the character well, that character has been developed, whether he changes or not.
A character doesn't need to change to be a developed character. Goku not changing doesn't mean he had no character development. Properly understanding Goku means he has had character development
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I agree with this 101%. Character development should not mean that the character has to become a completely different person.
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“Luffy is the same character as the beginning of the series, he hasn’t changed” I think this is wrong, there is a big difference to pre and post timeskip luffy because of marineford
And if you tell the guy who said goku had to character development make him talk to vegeta in majin buu saga
“Goku has no character development” 🤓 the amount of times I’ve heard this statement hurts me badly
It's for people that started with Z where the development was wrapped up.
@@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569 no, it's for people who just blindly believe that Z and Super are mindless fight-fests
@@JuanFlores-gs7uu i can see why somebody would make the argument for Super but Z I mean come on that BS we all know that
@@painvillegaming4119 naw, people are always shitting on Z like that
How is bro gonna say Dragon Ball has no heartfelt moments 💀
Future Gohan getting murdered, Goku sacrificing himself for his mistake, come on now
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The point is we know they’re all coming back to life
But future gohan is still dead
That's like saying Zabuza and Haku's deaths weren't sad because they got reanimated later on, the moment itself is the important part
@@quantumkage thing is you didn’t know they were gonna get reanimated we all knew goku wouldn’t stay dead he’s the main character same with most other characters and with future gohan you knew it was a different timeline it wasn’t the gohan we knew sure it was sad but naruto most definitely has sadder and way more heart felt moments
Goku influences people around him, rather than his character changing
@@dawnybreed9551 late but do you just not understand what a static character is
@@dawnybreed9551 I see you have been watching db out of your ass
@@dawnybreed9551 remember, antagonists are plot devices aswell then
@@dawnybreed9551 nah, my point is that you can be a plot device while still being interesting. Villains like Darth Vader or joker are both greats in their mediums but are still technically plot devices because they fit the shoes of the character who has to start the plot and influence the other characters emotionaly
@@dawnybreed9551 So, you see the main character is supposed to beat the villain, also let's not forget that he lost to Cell, muten roshi, king piccolo and was outclassed by Vegeta.
Also that isn't the only plot device, zenkai boost too. And mangekyo sharingan is one of the biggest plot device I have seen.
2:06 I swear people only say this because Luffy doesn't use only one move like naruto or goku. Luffy doesn't really have a signature move cause he's always switching it up and improving
Gomu Pistol: Am I a joke to you?
@@Kokomi552 are you serious?
You're right on this but another point I would add is that the person in the tik tok said that Luffy wasn't contributing to the attack's completely forgetting Ryou haki (idk if I spelled that right)
@@silverreaps6803 he isn’t wrong doe pistol was used a lot in pts the other versions of pistols to
Hes so unbias and has so many good points. He gives respect where its due. Like the naruto vs goku debate
please make part 7! i love this series and it helps me understand animes easier.
Got you!!
If ima be honest
Saying Might guy can wash AIZEN?
That's going over the edge a bit
@@dawnybreed9551 i mean 8 gates is enough to box with aizen but no win
@@dawnybreed9551 all it takes is a hado 90 and its over for guy
@@dawnybreed9551 not even, you need to look at aizen himself in the picture shown, just having eyes is enough
@@dawnybreed9551 hes literally the ideal counter. hypnosis AND soul crushing someone whos only physical, completely unfair
The big question is can Might Guy even see aizen? He doesnt have any reiatsu.
I love how neutral you are even when your favorite series are getting slandered lol
"Kamehameha with friends" im crying 😂😂😂😂 keep up the grind man👌
Y’all sleeping on majin buu development …. That shit different he went from turning people into chocolate to really being protective over them
Man,the db community must be strong on tik tok to basically have half the video featuring Goku
A lot of the videos are DB and Naruto based haha
I mean,they are some of if not the biggest series in the western side
For a time, maybe I would've agreed with you about Apoo playing better music than Brook especially with what we're seeing in Wano, but aside from the fact that Brook's back story (specifically the Bink's Sake portion) touched my soul, I had a whole new appreciation for him after seeing Soul King in WCI. That ability is disgustingly cool to me. Especially considering we never even saw it box. Perhaps it only works on souls and wouldn't have any combat usage, but we saw him use it on fodder in fishman island, and considering Soul King is a step above that my headcanon is that his soul is so strong it manifests a physical form. I haven't forgotten that we're not power scaling here, we're talking about who we think is a better musician, and frankly I think my point stands. Brook is literally touching souls and Apoo has only given me some neat grooves.
That’s a really good point tbh
new upload let’s goo
Fr I saw the notification and immediately clicked on it
YRM IMA!??? what u doin here
Yo Rob, I was worried for a couple of days because there were no uploads but when I saw the notification I cannot express the joy I felt. Glad your back. Lots of love! 💙
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I’m so glad you enjoy the content! I’ll try to post more for you haha
what zelda is that background music?
@@ShonenShowdown what zelda is that background music?
@@lorddukfoxyzeppeli7921 windmaker or windbreaker I believe
That man trunks character development was so good his hair color changed
Krillin’s first death is one of the saddest moments right up their with future gohan death.
This video is 26 minutes let’s goooo. The best 26 minutes of the day!
Everyone gansta until Chopper and Go D. Usopp show up.
or nami
Sonic actually can, especially if we use the comics, and even with the games he still could
I'd name the combination attack " Thor's Rasengan of Destruction"
Thor comes from luffys electricity attacks he used against katakuri
Destruction comes from Turtle Destructive Wave ( kamehameha
he didnt use electric attacks against katakuri
@@spectre1256 I think he used the thor move against chin jao and shiki from the movies
@@a0chill yeah but not katakuri
do you mean like when katakuri and luffy have a conquerors haki clash?
10:57 Me and Rob had the exact same look, and after he said he was sorry I had to put on the straw hat aswell, this is why I love this channel.
2:20 Luffy can use the Leo Bazooka which has a very similar pose to Goku when using the Kamehameha.
But on the contrary to Naruto and Goku he wouldn't throw this Rasen Shuriken or this Kamehameha and let the energy do all the work, he would literally use it point blank and thrust this ball of energy into his enemy's body and his Ryuo (even though it's technically even better than Ryuo) would even help him get past his enemy's defense/durability.
And, unlike Naruto, Luffy wouldn't have a problem to use the Rasen Shuriken this way because the tiny needles wouldn't get past his armament haki.
Luffy could even use his Leo Rex Bazooka that he used in Film Gold against Grand Tesoro to make it even better.
Or just use gear 5 and hit him with giant hit
Keep those hot take discussions going 🔥 🔥 🔥
Got you!!
3:02 “that can blow up a planet” nah, more like what are they contributing to a guy who was going to wipe out the entire universe with THREE punches. Also gokus character development is insane, he went from a low class saiyan sent to earth to annihilate it to basically the son of grandpa gohan, who he ended up killing and didn’t even realise he did it until he saw another saiyan go ape. he never accepted raditz as his brother but then on namek he decide to fight for the people of namek and to avenge all the saiyans and vegetas pride. even in the buu saga he spared fat buu because he wanted the younger generation to have a chance to defend earth so he knew they’d be okay if he left (keep in mind this goku is a saiyan, that’s literally against his BIOLOGY) so people that hate on gokus development clearly didn’t watch the show. also nice vid as always bro
For some reason these tiktok hot take videos are my favorites.
9:03 an even better example is the ending of pain arc everyone who died just got brought back to life life it was another episode of dbz .
Yall saw how the "Aot> other anime" dude responded after watching one piece? yeah we aren't lying when we say one piece is amazing, so if your scared to get into it because of its length, get over it
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How about no
@@youkindacute6898 your loss my man I finally got over the length and watched it this year. Now anytime someone says it’s not goated I just laugh bc it so obviously is
@@SilverSlugs16 i don't really care what or if I'm missing out on
I'm sorry but I'm not about to watch 900+ episodes for something that won't even move my top 5
on gahd the most unbiased informative channel in all of shonen!
5:59 Krillin? Vegeta's Sacrafice? Goku Trying To Escape?
9:10 There is a huge difference between reanimation jutsu and dragon ball revival. Naruto had a problem with not letting characters stay dead, like with Might Guy. Might Guy should've died in the war, him being brought back ruined the whole point of him going into the 8th gate. With reanimation, they aren't even brought back permanently. You still have the loss, and the emotional value in their death stays. With dragon ball, any good guy that dies, will just come back. Vegeta had that whole moment but obviously he'd get brought back with the dragon balls. Dragon balls ruin all death, but Naruto can have deaths that stay and have meaning. All in all, Naruto has a similar problem on a much smaller scale, but you used the wrong point to put that across.
That’s a good point actually. I mean I brought it up because even if a reanimated character is not fully alive, the fact that they can be reanimated makes it feel like it’s not the end forever. But yes, DBZ does it on a much higher scale for sure
Yeah and there’s a plot hole, shenrons rule is that he can’t bring someone back from the dead twice… the amount of times one city got all of their civilians killed and brought back, surely some of those cities got brought back more than twice
@@Tyreker they use both shenron and porunga. And if I am correct in super the dragon balls are never used for any earth purposes up until now
@@Tyreker you do realise that if Goku or any of the main cast die again, it's wraps
Shonen Showdown with another banger!!!!!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
UA-cam anime community way better than tik told let’s not lie
17:20 - it’s been a year since I was put in this video 😂 das crazy
Ayy that’s wassup haha
The fact that sonic has hyper which is Infinite speed beyond since super sonic is infinite speed shows he can wash any universe unless it's like gag manga or something.
Anime takes being so controversial makes for great shonen showdown content we need more of this 👍! Keep up the great vids
Part seven please these are bangers
Got you!!
YO THAT T SHIRT FIREEEEE
I feel like sonic is one of the MOST OP anime characters
Underrated can only explain this channel
You explain the things I can’t
Touché
16:25 World Tree Magic probably. It goes well with William Vangeance as a character. 🙏🏾 Same thing with Sword Magic and Licht, pretty dope as well!
Most underrated youtuber hands down
6:59 so we just gonna forget about goku, frieza, android 18 vs jiren?? That shit was beautiful and they were throwing hella hands
Android 17 you mean
db definently gotta step up the choreography, and I lowkey want more perm deaths 💀
If you want choreography watche og dragon ball
@@yggdrasile9684 fr tho if your talking choreography naruto is better
Watch from the beginning of Dragonball. 🙄🙄😒😒😑😑
dbs broly hello
@@osamabinhappy9355 yeah movies don’t really count since they have to look good because, Yknow, it’s a movie with tonnes of time and money put into it
After seeing what Sonic can do, we need a new Sonic anime heavily story based.
Bruh I agree, but read the idea comics, stories there are top tier
Sonic X was the best yet I do wish for a new sonic anime tho..
4:11 love it or hate it man was spittin facts from here on out
Sonic is literally in the conversation with DBZ characters. Don't even have to talk about Shadow if u know u know
any dbz character getting slapped by sonic
@@cmonbruh6636 Honestly I have to agree
@@cmonbruh6636 yea i cant cap
@@cmonbruh6636 any proof?
Mui goku slaps the whole sonic universe
I find it hilarious that guy said you get no emotional moments from dbz like vegetas sacrifice, goku's sacrifice, master roshi's death in dragon ball and his near death in super, piccolo's sacrifice in the saiyan saga and krillins deaths didn't happen 😂
Super Sonic in game canon has faced a god that erased the concept of time and space and beat it with minimal effort and a little help. Game canon Sonic, by far the weakest Sonic, is able to deal with a Zen-oh level threat minus the erasure. Archie Sonic can REWRITE THE UNIVERSE FROM BEGINNING TO END WITH ONE ACTION, A ZEN-OH LEVEL ACTION. Goku and Sonic would most likely have a very heated and close fight and Sonic solos everything under dragon ball levels of power.
Classic Archie Sonic ran so fast that Reality started to warp around him. Within Sonic’s reality there’s Infinite Realities that make up an Infinite Multiverse.
So sonic clapping naruto
Also he’s 20D-30D
@@Dark-mi9ks anything above 12 d is outerversal there is no 20 or 30d, also its debatable if he is outer but he defs solos dbs and obv naruto verse
@@brochiing4295 That’s not true lol. That’s not what it says in vs wiki
@@brochiing4295 And yeah Sonic is high outerversal. I no longer agree with this statement from 4 months ago
Most def want a part 7
4:33
Two out of those three examples was just Goku doing something because he got to fight someone strong or get the opportunity to get stronger to then fight someone stronger than he could before
Okay but the stakes aren't higher when like every episode of db a planet getting blown up, but in Naruto they just killed of pervy sage just to let us know the leader of the akatsuki was no joke. But no hate I'm a huge fan.
Goku vs majin vegeta is the best anime fight ever and that’s all what I need to say
In my opinion the first goku vs vegeta fight was better, I would even say that goku vs piccolo is the best fight in dragon ball
Buu best DBZ char no cap
jesus christ dbz is my fav anime but to say the best is kinda reaching
@@Nanocide_9 nobody said it’s the best we’re talking simply about fights hahah
@@nlc2566 I know I was still talking about the fights
When are you gonna drop a hair and facial routine fr
HAHA ay I gotta get it redone soon bro
This series really never misses
8:51 *The Future Trunks special and When Teen Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 after literally seeing 16 dying while giving a epic speech* like literally Dragon Ball Z was gruesome and great
“Dbz has no choreography”
Majin Vegeta vs Goku : 😶
Kid Krillin vs Kid Goku : 😶
Kid Goku vs Grandpa Gohan : 😶
Goku vs Piccolo : 😶
Kid Goku vs Mutaito : 😶
Goku vs cell
Goku vs Jiren, ok maybe he got a some help so forget about it
piccolo vs 17
Goku vs broly
kid buu vs goku
Now I'm a chill guy, I've watched one or two animes but the fact this man (5:39) had the AUDACITY to say DBZ is trash yet he looks like someone who would say 'can he beat goku tho' in the comments on every non DBZ video?
20:04 When you realize that only 2/10 crewmates can swim 🤣🤣
4:05 when he said I have to say goku has then a ad pops up and says experience
The part about Naruto having more hax kinda bugs me a lot... (For the record what I'm about to say is based on Archie Sonic and not Video game Sonic) Archie Sonic is damn near outerversal if not already beyond that In his strongest state he can literally just wish you away, not to mention his extremely enhanced speed, strength, and durability. In his base form he collected one billion rings and each ring has a bit of chaos energy inbued within them (Chaos energy is what makes super sonic and hyper sonic a thing) and the literal God of the sonic verse said the best way to kill him is for him to die of old age because he's literally that strong... And since he has so many rings, he can pop super sonic and hyper sonic at any given time Although for Ultra Sonic he needs a crap ton of rings (It was never specified how many he needs) He also can pop super and hyper sonic with the chaos emeralds and super emeralds too if he want's to save the rings he has for Ultra Sonic.. In his Ultra Sonic form he destroyed the universe and recreated it in like 5 to 10 mins and in base form he traveled the entirety of the multiversal highway in a day
"Kamehameha... with friends" dead😭🤣
Oh this is new, sonic in the thumbnail?
Edit: I knew that video was going to pop up lol. And the video shown was just game sonic. Archie Sonic is on a whole other level though 💀 Archie Hyper Sonic VS MUI Goku would be a fight I would love to see lol
Yup!!
@@ShonenShowdownI would love to see you make a vs battle between Archie Sonic vs Goku, if u want of course :)
@@slc_ something tells me that Rob doesn't know much about the power of Archie sonic 🤣
@@silverreaps6803 Lmaoooo don't blame him. Not many know archie sonic
@@slc_ There are not many of us brother..
gokus sacrifice with cell was the saddest death, so much so tfs made it even sadder
ayyy that unleashed music I see you!!
Hearing Sonic can clap the Narutoverse is the wildest thing I’ve ever heard that actually makes sense
Hearing that sonic could be an actual contender for goku is the wildest shit I’ve heard
It’s crazy. We looking at things like naruto with kurama and all the different ninjas and then sonic can just clap them all. I had no idea he was so strong.
@@bjwill9047 yeah archie comincs sonic can destroy a universe by sneezing in base form
@@Tyreker it's true tho
No cap sonic such a broken character the games and levels cant fit him (ex: bullshittery in sonic forces and how people complained u just press forward) the team innovates but mans so fast the game just destroys itself. Without purposely including skips in levels and just ways to destroy the completion of levels (ex: sonic adventure games where mans can just skip through half the level and its intended) sonic kinda feels lacking. No cap the grandaddy of sonic 100% is dbz. Hyper sonic is inspired by the multiple saiyan forms and super sonic being easily inspired by the dragon balls and super saiyan. No cap Sonic is bs powerful.
Speaking of Sonic Stage skips. You reminded of final rush. That stage is ridiculous
Especially Archie sonic his powers are literally like dragon balls
Hyper Sonic isn't inspired by any saiyan forms super sonic maybe was but it's never been confirmed
@@zomondi1456 archie sonic claps everyone in DBS in base, game super sonic and to some extent base game sonic claps everyone in DBS
I hate how people bring up dragon ball Z’s pacing when the manga and Dragon ball Kai exist. Kai has no pacing problems and it removes ALL of the useless filler. Also regarding goku’s character development I do hope people know that there’s something called the OG dragon ball. I hate how people ignore the development of characters like Yamaha, Tien, Piccolo and Goku. Goku was literally isolated for years until he met Bulma and the squad. He also wasn’t even that interested in martial arts until Roshi was introduced and showed Goku a different world regarding martial arts. Also Goku losing to Roshi in the tournament was extremely important to his character and due to this loss Goku was alot less cocky and worked harder to eventually surpass his master. Also Goku learning about his Saiyan nature from Raditz and finally accepting it in his battle against Frieza is also a great example of Goku developing. Goku repeatedly denied and rejected his saiyan nature and him finally accepting it helps him progress and develop as a character. People who say Goku has no character development are literally casuals who didn’t even watch the show
Piccolo, androids, frieza, beerus, whis, Zeno, buu, vegeta, all have crazy character development
8:03 don't you just love how frieza's head is turning into a raisin while the background music is so happy makes you want to eat a happy meal because your so happy that a guys head is slow turning into a raisin. :)
Not going to lie he did deserve it.
“We forgive you” i was daying
Btw were is mehawk he slaps
Finally! Someone that knows how overrated might guy is,ive been debating with might guy enthusiasts for god knows how long,you have to be the one of the best shonen anime content creator,knows a lot abt many shonen anime characters,not biased and very good information,this man deserves 1 mil
A "kamehameha with friends"🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣🤣
Part 7 plss
that Bleach music in the background is so fire man lowkey bringing flashbacks. i wanna rewatch bleach
I've just gotten into one piece and it's been really great so far. I'm getting into the alabasta arc
I hope no one spoils it for u
If you want domination in a fight then you need to go read Shaman King. Every fight with Hao is as one sided as the Madara v Shinobi Alliance fight.
Bro facts. Hao is so underrated as a villan
Agreed with everything he said until he said DBZ fights are more impactful than Naruto. That's wrong. Every Naruto fight has some sort of meaning that we nearly always see down the line, while DBZ can sometimes just shove fights in our face because that's what the people want to see and a lot of the time there is no actual affect on the story unless it's a really major fight. DBZ is awesome, but that's just my take.
I respect it for sure! I mean Naruto fights are definitely impactful as well, no doubt but I also think every fight in the majin buu arc and Frieza arcs were impactful tbh
@@ShonenShowdown I respect it my cousin and I grew up watching the Frieza and Cell arc so I know what you mean. I appreciate your thoughts and input!
@@ShonenShowdown I forgot to point out when goku turned super sayain against Frieza it was a very emotional moment.
Naruto villains just try to destroy a few villages, but this man buu was about to destroy universes and cell the solar system
Nah Naruto fights were just playing to people’s emotions not the actual story.
Goku leaving with shenron in dbgt then his and vegeta’s descendants seen fighting while an old pan spots goku who soon disappears as she runs to him is a pretty damn heart felt moment. Ik people say that this series isn’t canon but it’s ending is pretty good for a anime series that is not written by Toriyama
Honestly I think you’re one of the most genuine people with none bias opinions most of the time cough cough luffy but I love luffy
People are way too obsessed with their own definition of character development. It’s like the ppl who hate on luffy saying he doesn’t have character development. Just because you maintain your overall personality does NOT make you a bad character or mean you have no character development that’s just absurd. Naruto had such drastic character development because he desperately needed to mature and rethink his priorities, and in his context it’s important. Every character doesn’t need to do a 180.
8:34 I agree when Naruto was a kid he was cool but when he grew older he just became a hypocrite😂
He never did though?
Ayo did you forget to mention hypersonic? yep. its game over for the naruto verse.
And dark sonic
@@NapGNotSleepp yeah obv
Sonic vs Goku would honestly be closer then people think
No it would Be a 1 sided fight For Sonic.Because he has infinite speed and Is much Stronger than Goku,Sonic wins in base
The part where android 16 died was pretty, and there was the time commeey fused with piccolo, the time niel died , the time where frieza justs came in and killed all the namekians, the time when buu became friends with hercule, the time when the name kian grand elder dies, the time when braddock, the time when grandpa gohan died , where all sad moments so DBZ does has some emotional moments
"no emotional fights in dragon ball"
Me: Future Gohan Vs the Androids,
Trunks Vs the Androids for revenge
Gohan ssj2 Vs cell, Goku and vegeta weakened Vs kid buu. I don't understand some tiktokers lol