Everything you need to know about Bluetti's NEW EP500 - review
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2021
- The EP500 will go on sale on March 23rd j35.us/EP500
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Can you do more welding on this bluetti please I’m super curious as to how long the bluetti will power the welder at close to Max setting
How much sir??
We have used the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!
The 4000w audio system test is exactly what I’ve been waiting for in my life. My systems larger and pulls a ton so seeing you do it on a mobile system made my day. Now I know for sure the diy system I’m building will love my audio setup with 5000w of just bass.
This is exactly what I was envisioning. Thanks for the demonstration and drawing attention to the UPS limitation.
keep it up jehu, I just got really into reading about this kind of stuff and watching video's on how to go off grid or have back up power. glad you make video's like this and how everyone in this community seems to be positive as to where this is going. Thank you for your honest review, sincerely texas power outage survivor 2021.
Thanks Jehu. Been homeless for about 4yrs stuck in a nursing home. Love & Learned about how to properly power my soon to be homestead. Thank you for your knowledge.
Love you’re content, Keep doing a great job. Sending some love from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷.
That was a pretty big smile you had on your face when you opened that box lol
That top board at the back looks like the switching board for the inverter, as it has the pre-charge resistor on it. This not switching off is the culprit for the huge parasitic drain on idle.
If you switch it off it would need to be manually switched on everytime you want to power something with AC power.
Jehu wow, I have to say, your evaluation was awesome. I am impressed with your knowledge.
Great Video and Review! Looks like a pretty sweet setup!🤘
Seeing the amps and watts together, cleared up alot. Feeling good. Thanks ☺️
Agree with Brian B, 27.7 watts (4292w * .155 / 24) consumption on idle is way too high for a 2k inverter especially when combined with an inverter that is only 83.8% efficient. A Victron Multiplus with a 2000w inverter only has a standby draw of 7-9 watts. I haven't looked up other inverters like AIMs or GoPower.
The fact you used victron as your comparison is disingenuous. They have the lowest idle consumption of any inverter. 15-20w is just how it goes for most inverters. Not much can be done.
Great love that ups system, been wanting a backup for my refrigerator at a second home.
I am a new subscriber. I watched another channel and it didn’t have as much information as your channel. I appreciate how much your description of this unit. I don’t know enough about how to actually put it to use for my home. So I will keep watching and hopefully pick up more of the lingo. And eventually know what shorten meanings of words which I don’t understand their acronyms. 👍
Finally! I've been looking your review on this.
Great review! The self discharge rate is excessive though. I hope they can fix that via software. That would be a deal breaker for me. Too much energy lost
Awesome review as usual!
I was really wishing they sent u both to do the 220v test, I need a versatile system for my sister in Liberia. She has solar but currently using lead acid.
Thxxx 4 all u do bro!
U on point bro, needed similar for similar reason. Small world
Finally a channel that doesn't call it "battery generator". This looks amazing for doing drone work in the country side or proper badass UPS for my workstation. But for the price, I don't know though. Still a move in the right direction.
Why does everyone test with some kind of tool but never LOAD the tool? A chop saw NOT CHOPPING doesn't use nearly the load that it would use running through material. And likewise...balsa would be different than construction lumber vs. quality hardwood vs. metal, etc.
Agree, chop thru some oak, or at least some pine, anything.
Yes yes... the motor would pull more power while cutting through the wood. A harder wood would require more power.
wait, my chop saw trips the breaker on startup but if it somehow doesn't than the saw runs ok, so actually you're wrong. if the power supply can survive the start up that is the greatest feat. not all chop saws use a lot of power though, for sure the harbor freight hercules chop saw does, thing is a beast
actually none of what you say makes any sense, he used the mig welder that has an insane surge and power draw. your logic is completely wrong here
@@eksine You don't have to believe me...Try it yourself with a meter...You think the motor won't draw more power once it encounters a hard wood? If your breaker is tripping on startup then your breaker already almost full and has loads running on it. Motors do have a startup current yes... but what were saying is that without testing it with a cut, one can't truly measure the load it would draw while in use... I would check you "logic" before a quick response.
Yes he did use a welder and the comment was not based on that...
Be well.
I can see some good modifications for this by adding your own batteries in parallel to the existing batteries of the unit
Finally someone who tests standby efficiency, thank you, Hobo and Will, this is how it’s done. The full picture
Nice review! I'm looking at this unit as home energy back up. Thanks!
Awesome 👏. Thanks for the Review 👍
Welp.. Looks like I'll be selling my AC200 1.7 2K before I even put it into service in the RV. This is the exact form factor and capacity I have been wanting to get to. Thanks for making great vids!!
No doubt I just bought the eb2500 and got it yesterday and now I see this today lol. But whatever I need the power Now and can't wait for this to get released ! Oh well way she goes I geuss
Refrigerator? Freezer? Coffee maker? The truly important stuff. Who manufactures the batteries?
Actually, the most important part is the wattage rating. It can do 4200 watts. So, for those appliances, just find the average wattage they use. For example, if your coffee maker uses 100 watts per use, you can use it around 42 times or so.
@@jeffwads Actually, Robert Nicoletti has a legitimate question. Can you answer his question ?
@@elli003
Solo busca bien en internet, hasta en mercado libre sale el tiempo que duran conectados los equipos que menciona esa persona
@@juanferroso4464In Ingles por favor.
@@elli003
Just search about the product on the internet, it literally does'nt even take 30 seconds and also you can use a translator, don't be lazy.
i have the ac200p eu version i charge my twizy with that it can handle 2000 watts constantly. This 500 unit maybe interresting for long time campers. its plug and play just buy some solar p and youre ready to go. And the possibility to use 2 of them together is a good idea
Great video. Always enjoy the thorough details you explained in all of your videos. Couple questions.
#1. As your evaluation. Do you see, can the EP500 withstand being plugged in at all times specifically the PV input? I can manually plug in the A/C input when needed.
#2. Has your unit gotten the firmware update yet that dealing with the UPS issue you mentioned in this video? If so, have you had a chance to retest the UPS function? Since you said the firmware fix is to put the grid AC in bypass. It is then not in true UPS mode. Right? It will need to switch over to the AC Inverter when the grid AC is dropped. Isn't it? Do you have any way to test the switching time that switches to the battery as power source? I wonder whether this may have the 23 ms switch time as the EF Delta Pro has?
Great review Jehu!
You make a lot of sense to me now, thing I want to know is, your workshop's elements that consume on a continual basis how many were they. Take a home situation you have a geyzer a refrigerator and in winter a heater, you see I want to know realistically what can you expect out of the power of this machine
My concern would be the serviceability aspect. This unit would cost quiet a bit to ship back (if you can and keep all the packing materials). Love the big power aspect though ,
Exactly. I am also not a fan of the small cells used in this unit. The ac200 had better packs. I just don’t like having hundreds of cells because there is too much room for problems at this price.
@@andrewangelos85 I think the Titan was on to something with modularity but not sure how good that company is commercially
@@dnhman plus the Titan price of $3,600 for just the unit.
@@andrewangelos85 that doesn't matter. If each cell is fused its fine. I would rather have 1/300 of my pack go bad vs 1/12th.
They will come to your house to fix it or pay for the shipping. No cost out of your pocket.
Awesome review! Thanks. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🎯
You should do a modern generator system vs solar/battery option for at home. I’m in the process of looking at all my options would definitely think your viewers would enjoy it. Sorry forgot to mention love all your videos.
What do you mean by "modern generator"?
I'm some situations the double conversion mode of UPS is preferable. To get around the 600W limit of the (internal?) AC to DC, could you buy an external 1200W AC to DC to plug into the solar charge port?
Hi Sir, I see you did a DC idle power test, but have you done the same for the AC? I am wondering how much it consumes just by having the AC enabled. Thanks for your feedback on that! Have a nice day! Adrian
ugh they're really gonna kickstart this? they're such a big company now they don't need to
not really a big company at least they can't deliver products as fast as other big companies in the market.
@@tysonmarcus9231 They are a huge company, Bluetti is a brand owned by Maxoak newener inc, which is related to Poweroak newener a large Chinese company, you can find there products on Allibaba easily. Don't be fooled into thinking Bluetti is a small American company, it is not!!
They use Kickstarter, i suspect, to reduce thier own investment and risk into new products. Also Bluetti product are very similar to Poweroaks, so how much development are they actually doing? Is any of the kickstarter development research being sent to other divisions to profit outside of the intended investment?
Blindly investing on kickstarter should be discouraged, people should take a little time and look at the company they are thinking about sending their money too, is it really going where you think? will you get a fully finished product (which early Bluetti products seem not to be).
Kickstarter is great for people and companies that dont have the resources to develop a product or service, Bluetti is not in this position, it is part of a multi-national organisation with huge resources.
you dont understand what kickstarter is, do you? lol
@@DieselRamcharger do you?
@@eksine yes. its a giant scam. ran by huge corporations to bilk you for profits while not actually delivering anything.
so I have a professional audio studio. if I used this device to back up my gear and mixing board. are there any issues with ground loops or emi feeding back
Definitely getting this for my workstation. Good battery size. ✌🏼
This review was missing the solar panels hooked up to it but either than that it was great review amazing !
Hey, I'm interested in time of use. Would that be listed in the advanced mode? Would you be willing to do a short video to show that functionality? Thanks
I have no idea what i am watching but it's 2:14 AM Easter here and i got a notification so here i am 😂
Welcome!
430 am I,m soo late
another question. The top half of my house has 3 bedrooms with 230v a/cs (24,000btu) each and a standard electric dryer. I previously had a 10kw step down transformer from 220v to 110v which worked very well with everything in the top half of my house. There is now direct 120/220v with no need for a transformer. In case of hurricanes etc I wanted to know if the split system can handle that load 24/7 with solar panels. can the wires for the 230v dryer and the a/cs go directly from the transfer box to the split system or would I have to run those 230v wires separately to the 230v outlets?
Thanks
you have to love how he used it at closed to 2kw but he didnt even said how long in time did it power it too.
Can I select that the power station uses Solar panels as its main source until the batteries are almost depleted? So only then it uses the AC power to keep my devices running? I would like to save money on my electric bill.
My house is a rental that already has 6 solar panels on the roof, but since I don't own the place I can't add more solar panels to the existing configuration, so I want to use my own solar panels to a power station and then connect my TV, PC etc to save more money in the summer.
Also, If the backup battery is full and idle but the solar panels are still receiving power, can it just send the remaining power back to the power grid via the wall outlet? And does this power station also support that?
Thanks for answering these 2 question, good day :)
I got the EP500 and connected one Renogy 150D 12volt solar panel to it via MC4 cable. I don't know which +/- set on the Bluetti MC4 adapter cable to use. My PV input W is at zero, but it shows the input voltage at 22.0 on the DC Input screen of the Bluetti with the Input Power at 0 watts. It does not appear to be charging even in full sun. I swapped the negative MC4 solar panel cable to the other Bluetti negative MC4 adapter, - no difference. I also swapped the positive cables - still nothing. What is wrong?
Just wondering if you know if the OCP over current protection - hardware alert on the ep500 pro easy to fix? Is there an internal breaker/fuse I can reset or replace?
can a grounding bolt be attached to the metal frame of the ep500? also if I ground the solar panels and combiner box on the roof to a separate grounding rod in the yard do I need to consider grounding the ep500 ? NEC requires generators that are attached to transfer switch to be grounded.
I don't have a good grasp of how much energy this can provide and how much energy stuff uses yet. I am learning. But if you don't plug anything else into this unit, do you think you can run a window air conditioner?
When you were testing the idle consumption did you turn off bluetooth and wifi?
Does this have car charging mode (12V@8.2A) like the AC200? Tesla Model 3 lighter socket will output 12V@10A max. It will be useful to tap into the vehicle's larger battery (no matter how slow the charge rate) when needed.
Great review
Does your GFCI trip if you are using the inverter on your transfer switch?
Great! Can it trigger a solar inverter to power on with phase shifting?
It has an idle consumption of about 50W though (calculated on the ~4.2KWh capacity, with a ~30% discharge after 24h), that's quite high
That's unacceptably high. 15-20w is what it should be. My cheap Chinese 2000w/4000w peak inverter has a 17w power consumption at idle.
What is the charge time from grid?? Does it fast charge like the ecoflow?
Good timing... I want it but expensive. 😄👍👍
Can this be used abroad where they use 220-240 voltz/50Hz
It comes at a price of $2599 after a 32% discount on its potential retail price.
Yea AC200 started this way too then.. the production unit went out at 2000whr not the 1800whr Kickstarter @initial “discount” price. Wonder if they will fix and boost again the capability AFTER their initial customers debug it for them 🤷🏼♂️ -like goto 6000whr and charge the extra 30%.. kind fun shy after their tricks on AC200
@@richardblank6333 85% is pretty normal. The stated capacity is always battery capacity not overall capacity.
Price Too high for me for what it is.
@@ssyoumans yup, would rather buy a Tesla Module for $1k and have 5.2kwh of storage..
This would be great to use at our RC Flyers Events. Plus it would be great advistment fir you.
Mr Garcia can you make one test hooking up small ac window unit and see if it’ll work?please and thank you
Good observation on the UPS limitation
9:49
Hi Could you tell me more about your transfer switch, brand and your cable used. Thanks
Thanks for this excellent overview! Do you think I could lay the unit on it's side, while making sure ventilation is not compromised?
I have the same question. I’ve backed the EP500pro Kickstarter, planning to use boondocking & in off-grid application, but need to transport laying down in my tow vehicle. I noticed at the start of this video the EP500 is on its back. Have you figured out the answer to this question yet?
I can't imagine why couldn't use, store or ship this in any orientation since that's the nature of LIPO4 batteries in general.
It shouldn't matter.
Good review and tests.! I’m a newbie at all things solar, so a few Q’s. 1. What is UPS ? 2. Can you demo your Off Grid / Transfer System? That looks like exactly what I want to do? Pull the plug from So. CA. Edison when I want to. Not just a power loss back-up ! 🙏
I guess these sort of things are going to be the next phase of kickstarters.
Nice video. Can you cut something on the chop saw. I find it hard to believe that a software update will fix the UPS problems. It seems like it would have to be a hardware update to fix this issue. Maybe just because it is a preproduction unit.
It is just another faulty Bluetti product, This happens all the time, People should avoid this till Bluetti starts making reliable products.
That thing looks great, asking price is a little steep, although I guess it's pretty good when you look at it as a whole package.
wish they would use hardware switches for the DC/AC on/off sections instead of the touch panel. I turn my ac200p on and off all the time and that touch panel is not very responsive.
Nice review.
Great video. I would like to know how long would the Blueti EP500 run an RV 30 AMP AC Unit?
Not long. On a hot day when your AC unit is running non stop(assuming it's a 15,000btu unit) about 3hours.
Thank you for your first-peek review. I’m commenting here in hopes to win the Blueetti AC200/P that you mentioned in on your DIY Powerwalls group. I’m buying stuff from you! ... starting with scooter batteries that will power a smaller sogen and hopefully this AC200P! Looking forward to your upcoming video with 6 scooter batteries in a rolling case! ❤ ❤ ❤
Very nice review thank you so much. How much for the Vw bus
As long as it includes a teardown: 👍
what is the name of the transfer switch? Is it specifically for solar or are all transfer switches usable?
Nice little unit👍
Can you add a battery other then adding a whole unit?
So am I right in thinking this is no good for UK 240v unless I buy 2 units?
I'm trying to understand this stuff. Don't you need 2400 watts to get a full 20A outlet? How can this thing have 4 - 20A outlets with a 2000W output? I'm running a table saw and dust collector system, sometimes dust collector and planer, in each case eventually I have to reset the 20A breaker. Will this handle the load?
Question: I had a transfer switch installed in my house when I bought a portable 10k watt generator. If I were to purchase the Bluetti would I be able to use the same transfer switch or would it need modifications? Full disclosure I’m solar, LP & Gas generator ignorant so please don’t get complicated with the answer.
Also what parts would I need on hand for repairing the Bluetti should a solar flare or EMP event happen? Thank you for your time.
I’m curious to know if this would power my cargo trailer... I plug it in at jobs and use it as a mobile workshop... would this be able to make some rip cuts with my table saw and miter saw at a job, or run my 30gal air compressor? And for how long? What would you recommend for a off grid power source for a mobile workshop?
Hi Dempsey, Inverters can really struggle with starting up power tools, compressors are probably the worst, i have a 2000w that can not start a small compressor. So almost certainly the EP500 will not run your compressor, the EP500 pro has a bigger inverter (3000w) so it may fair better. I would suggest looking into what Will Prowse did with his trailer, it will be cheaper and give you much higher power (6500w) which will start large power tools. Also you can add batteries if you need more capacity easily!!
ua-cam.com/video/JCeVbqkPqwU/v-deo.html
Hope this helps!!
Thanks for the awesome video ! Do you think I could charge my leaf with this ? Maybe I could get 20-30 km . I was wondering how the grounding works on the unit ?. Thanks Graham
Yeah it will support up to 2000w continuous, so it can charge most Evs
@@jehugarcia This is a fantastic thanks for the great episode.
Interesting to see the production model after the difference between the AC 200p, I'd have liked filters on the air inlet fans that you could clean and keep the inside dust free
It does have changeable filters
@@jehugarcia cool, thanks for that
Did you need a special plug on the Bluetti to charge the Tesla car? Just wondering how you handled the bonded neutral for the generator to work. I will appreciate if you can share any recommendations.
Yeah I made one using a plug and a receptacle just for this test
at 4 :20 it appears you are pulling two 120v power legs into your transfer switch through your home-made cable? Is that correct? Could you do something like that to get usable 240v power from one bluetti?
No only 120vac available on the unit
Hi from PR!! Could you do a tutorial on that cable adapter?
Would I be able to charge via car engine plus solar panel?
when will you be able to test the split phase system?
Is this better then the ecoflow delta?
When charging the tesla I notice the use of ac mode , Doe it better charge a t dc ?
Sweet Jesus that's amazing!
Can the wireless chargers on top be turned off? Turning that off can probably help with standby time.
The wireless charge would use next to no power while at idle. The idle power draw is coming from almost exclusively the inverter.
I have another question. I have a 3/4 HP shallow well jet pump for my cistern and it can supply water to my whole house with 4 kitchens, 4 washing machines and 6 1/2 baths etc. In case of hurricanes etc I want to be able to run the pump as a stand alone system for 24/7 7 days a week for 4 weeks. The feature of the solar panels during the day and the battery in the night may work. As a person with knowledge can a EP500 with solar panels work for me? The pump is 1500w running with 3000w starting. it is 115v at 13amps 60Hz.
Nope, won't do it. But it will run a margarita machine and your wife's hair dryer. Seriously, in hurricane weather rains, overcast, the solar charging is minimal. That well pump will be running all the time with 47 people living there. With 1500 watts burning up the battery when that pump runs, the EP500 won't hack it for very long. Why not spend the extra money and build more bathrooms and get a pair of Honda eu3000i generators, one being for backup?
great video. does it look like 4 scooter batteries added to a tandem set brings power capability up by 4k? in other words adding a whole other bluetti worth of power for about $240? or am I just power hungry? :-) thats approx 14kwh power system? a proper whole house back up system!
yes adding extra battery seems very possible
Ok so this unit is a "portable" not really portable power station, which you can use as UPS in case of an outage, but with which you can't do peak shaving with solar. Am i right ?
Thank you so much for this review.
I have no PV, needed a UPS for my pc anyway and thought "hey great, UPS to shut down the pc + keeping the fridge running for a few more days" but as of now this is an online/double-conversion UPS. I will have to wait and see if the offline/standby mode has a sufficient short transition time & low energy usage.
Otherwise I could just buy a cheap UPS for the pc and back the fridge with a diy powerwall + manual transfer switch.
It not PC UPS better off get a reg PC UPS for that
@@SHSPVR yes i noticed that too, thanks. There was just the hope to "get a free UPS with your battery-backup-power".
@@blauesKopftuch I know I was hoping for same thing with Ecoflow Delta but it to has no true option for being a Computer UPS by USB cable
@@SHSPVR There is no need for a USB-cable if it can power the PC for >10 hours. ;-)
If the power goes out just continue with your work, if the power isn't back within 5 hours turn off the pc and power the fridge for another ~3 days... at least that was the theory.
@@blauesKopftuch LoL did you all ready for get about what happen in Texas and many area of Oklahoma and why USB is to tell the PC turn it off just a reg PC UPS dose beside many of have in home media or file server and this can at any time when not around or in bed with you know it
I would use it as a UPS for my fridge:) My baby boy has to eat! You should get units like the titan or inergy..... I've been looking into these as an apartment backup because you can run them inside.
Why not buy a UPS ?
@@MrSummitville only because it's more difficult to charge a ups with solar panels than these all in one units.
I just finished making my baby boy his own 7200 watt hour wheeled 130 pound ''solar generator''. He's 35 and still cries when the power goes out. Its for his fridge and chest freezer. Last year the utility cut him out for 47 hours but the Honda 2000 generator I gave him came in handy. Now he can rig for silent running and his wifee can blow dry her hair. Cost about $2700 in parts, $100K in my engineering/fabrication time. I will give him some solar panels and 80 feet of 10 gage wire to connect the panels he can temporarily place on the patio roof. For the last 2 weeks its providing cooling for my house for free while I field test it and make minor improvements. Today I just installed Bluetooth on it to monitor the battery with my cell phone. So far, so good.
How long is the wait for delivery
How about the mango power union? Sounds exciting
I just bought one. I live in Texas and we have blackouts all the time.
Do you have data on efficiency?
How many watts does solar panel need to charge the battery