I am a paramedic and saw a person shot in the chest and neck with a pellet gun and actually killed the person. One shot was lucky enough to enter between the ribs and bury itself in the heart, and the shot to the neck tore a major blood vessel and did damage the trachea. Bottom line: they can kill!
+Nowel Garcia Definitely scary to see that wound and examine what happened! Thanks for sharing FACTS and your valuable experience! It is nice to see these real life experience stuff and finally can nuke some dumbass who always say "airguns are just toys, they cannot kill ya". People don't understand the dangerous of these things until they are shot by one like in that incident of yours! Scary shit!
+Nowel Garcia My guess is that was likely a pellet rifle traveling at a velocity of well over 500 fps. Some go 600 - 1200 fps. Which is technically a firearm in Canada and many other countries. I dont think a BB pistol going at 350 fps will come even close to that damage. Which IMO is a good thing. Still, I would not consider a bb pistoleven at 350 fps a toy though, can still be dangerous yes. Lethal no.
+Billy Beam metal bb traveling around the 300-400fps can also penetrate skin but won't have enough energy to go deep enough to do that kinda damage. However, if a pistol like that is shot to the face, it is another story. I have heard of a gangsta guy shot another guy with a cp99 with some wadcutters and 3 shots to the face, the guy is down the ground with 1 eye permanently gone.So.. not like it is not gonna hurt! Lethal or not might depend on the shot placement only! Always treat them like a firearm is the best safety tips for all gunners!
There has been numerous driving by shooting with pellet guns this year in Abbotsfords BC. In Coquitlam there was an armed robbery involving pellet guns.
Excellent video I enjoyed every bit of it. I am a security agent and work with real guns and rifles and even I cannot dismiss the use of pelet amo cause it has STOPING power. I like CO2 guns with 400 fps or more ( great punch as you say). But I started thinking about bb's: I came to the idea that if you practice well and can consistently place shot to a tight area, you can consecutively place 3 or 4 rounds to a persons head zone ( without piercing, only impact) and still obtain a decent stoping momentum because of pain. Even bb guns have the warning label you mention. Wish you many more victories in your life 😠👍💥
BECAUSE OF YOU! I learned so much I totally reversed my earlier decisions on what to buy and now I own a CP99 which every review out there says is one of the best guns I could have chosen. Your video was very informative, logical and just made a lot of sense. I've never left a comment before, but the usefulness of your information saved the day for me and I wanted to let you know how much your video helped me. Thank you.
And another good product to have for self-defense if that's what you're using it for is the HPD 50 11 Jewel version that is another gun from Umarex that uses large caliber rubber balls
Another well presented practical video on equipment and self defence, I learned a lot about knives and how to handle them in a self defence situation in past videos
I know this is an older video; but you’ve got my interest. I was also an RN-paramedic for 15 years before my 3rd year of Med School. While regular guns are legal here; we had a lot of parents buying these for their kids for target practice. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS! While they’re not as lethal as a 38; someone hit in the “wrong place”, CAN BE as lethal as a regular gun! Like the paramedic below, I’ve also seen far too many pediatric accidental shootings. Very early in my career, while a single mom with a 4yr old; I almost gave up my entire future after attending numerous GSW deaths, and severe injuries of young, under 15, children in less than a month. To say I became an over-protective mom is an understatement. After my former professor counseled me, we decided instead of burning out, I would fight our State for laws to protect future children. We were successful with helping to push a law requiring parents to keep both types as well as some other potentially dangerous weapons NOT MEANT FOR CHILDREN, in locked drawers or gun cabinets. It wasn’t easy, but the parents of the severely injured or deceased children allowed us to show graphic pictures of what we saw when arriving on scene, and many of these parents gave testimony in our behalf. All except 2 of over 30 severe injuries and deaths were “accidental”, including a few 3 and 4 year olds who picked up their parents loaded guns and thought it was a toy. ON THE OTHER HAND; for someone like me, older, living alone in a rural area; I would MUCH prefer to get one of these air guns. I had a small 38 for MANY years, I gratefully never had to use for anything except target practice. But, I had it IF I needed it, and kept it close to me, but safety on and out of sight. No one here even knew I had it, but it was found and stolen when I was in the hospital and my house was burglarized and ransacked when I was gone. I was scared to death for awhile that they would come back, but luckily the person was caught, with my gun, just a week later. My other fear was that he might use it on someone else, or accidentally on himself. I would feel MUCH safer having one of these. A few of the injuries I’ve seen with these air/pellet guns and rifles? Eye, through the orbital, 1mm from the brain. Lost the eye, required reconstructive surgery. 2 missing toes on a 15 yr old who was so excited about having his own air rifle-he SLEPT with it, LOADED! The toes were so mangled, they had to be amputated and required intricate foot surgery to save his foot. I’ve seen other face shots, one near death when he ruptured his temporal artery. I’ve seen these lead pellets lodge in the lungs and abdominal organs. I know there was more, but those are ones I remember. Personally, I think training, including safety training, SHOULD BE REQUIRED. You are correct, these are NOT “toys” and Any child, if you want to teach them to shoot, start with SAFETY BEFORE TARGET practice; and ALWAYS Use with CLOSE supervision! YOU’re also correct towards the end-one thing I learned in 6 weeks of law enforcement/gun safety; was often a robber or attacker can be frightened away just by the sight of a gun! One more constant: more homeowners are shot with their own weapons than the robber or attacker shot in self-defense. If you’re getting one for protection, 1. Realize this and 2. Learn other means of self defense! These things can be perfect for many people; they can also be a blast to target practice with. Just NEVER underestimate the damage that can be done, and STAY SAFE, for your sake as well as others!
I do agree the guns are deadly weapons - but it's just the same as kitchen knives. Passing laws about those guns must be locked in cabinet shit is non-sense to me, why not just lock your knives in kitchen too then? Kids are fucked up because of parenting, not because the law. The fucked up parents are morons themselves then that lead to stupid kids. I have friends who have kids and they shoot firearms and keep firearm at home, no problem. Why? Because the parents can teach them how to deal with these things first and show them the dangerous side of guns before they are brainwashed by movies or cartoons. It all comes down to parenting and not being stupid, not laws. Laws? do they protect us? NOT so much. I was surprised how useless law was when I was a victim before, and I had evidence, but the cops were the stupid pigs who can't do the job right and end up I have to defend for myself. So, making more laws just makes it harder for normal people to be armed and protect themselves, but the criminals don't give a fuck about laws, they buy guns from blackmarket or just smuggle one from somewhere and there goes a break in case or a shooting. Who cares about law when they decide to be a criminal? Duh.
@@Chiinnature man, that was AWESOME!!!! some parents ARE morons and same w their kids. If you dont respect these weapons, you are gonna get hurt or hurt someone. I feel bad for the EMT here and GOOD cops, but its part of the job. Tell it like it is- I subscribed-
I was scrolling through videos and your vid caught my attention ( title that is. ) viewed it completely and all i can say. Awesome! You kept it 100%. Looking forward for more.
Your opening telling people not to make off comments saying id take a knife or club and that being bullshit got you a subscriber man! Haha i loved it, ive seen several of your vids now and am enjoying them!
Worse is if you see a burglar in the night, he will not be able to see that you have a gun. What should you do? With a pellet gun you can't feel very safe.
Thanks a lot! That was the most useful, informative video I've ever seen on that topic. Too often the people that talk about guns ignore the practical aspects and never discuss self defense as if you really might need to cause harm. Your explanation about why you selected the gun you carry and where best to aim for made perfect sense. No pussy footing about, you went straight for the head which I've always thought was the best target on a human to cause the most pain and/or damage. After all 'self defense' should mean exactly that, in other words, its not something to talk about lightly because if you really are in danger from another person, they'll likely be fairly close by and the circumstances unequivocal enough that no one is going to bicker about why you chose to use a gun to incapacitate them. ONLY in a case where its them or you but in those circumstances, yes, you should aim for their face as the pain alone and disorientation should be enough to disarm them from further attacks.
I bought the vigilante by coincidence actually. I’m glad I’m stupid sometimes and forgot you mentioned the vigilante because I can honestly say I made the decision myself. Then I come back and remember you recommended it and found a lot of people that enjoy it which reinforces my decision rather than influencing me prior.
Pretty cool lecture. Never would have thought about air/co2 guns as self-defense consideration, sometimes just having a firearm that people can see defers an attack. I was driving home on I81 in Virginia when a young man in a huge RAM truck began following me - I tried to get away from him - even exited the Interstate, but he followed me. I stopped at a gas station and he pulled right next to my door, hemming me inside my own car. Him and his girlfriend evidently thought that my old age self and my 99 E320 Benz were causing him some grief, and as God is my Witness I have NO IDEA why this man was chasing me down the interstate and off onto a gas station! ANYWAY - by the time he leaned around his girlfriend to yell at me thru his truck glass, I had my 357 magnum, the nickel plated version, aimed at the roof of my car - not pointing at them at all. I shouted, "LEAVE ME ALONE" thru my 1/2 down window. The young woman's eyes actually GOGGLED. I've never seen anyone's eyes do this before, but the SIGHT of the weapon they must have pissed themselves and he hit the gas and roarted out of there. LEaving me sitting in my Benz, in the gas station. A man at the station came over and asked if I was okay. I was fine, my nerves were very rattled, but the sight of a pistol and those two were long long gone. I suppose they never expected a grey haired old woman in a Benz to be armed. Thank God for Our Second Amendment and Concealed Weapon Permits! This is a great alternative also! Enough shot pounded at one - to discourage and attack - all the BETTER! No, I would not have shot those people, but I would have shot out his RAM TRUCK TIRES!! ANd phoned the police!
I studied and done many experiments on this subject. What is my conclusion? The answer is yes but only if (1) you shoot the bad guy in the face or the neck. If you can’t, at least in the head when he has no hat or hood (2) choose the most powerful pullets (3) I use the 10 shots revolver with extra 4 clips in my pocket. I always put the cartridge inside ready to screw in to use. You can shoot them comfortably by holding the metal handle and without putting back the plastic handle.(4) I use it if only when I didn’t need to use my real gun to kill some one or when I don’t have a real one on hand for some reasons.
Great video. I gained a lot of knowledge from what you said. It also help me choose the co 2 gun I am going to purchase. Like and subscribed to your channel.
Very well said thanks for the safety tips more parents need to take these guns very serious you made this video very easy to understand, your right it is not about killing someone but to stop them so you can get away from harms path, i know i wouldn't keep walking into a on firring pellet gun after feeling the effects of the first two shots,and i thank you, looking forward to more of your videos...................
That was a good video. I understood completely everything you said and it makes sense. To stop an intruder. It's the shock of the attack that is the element of surprise. No intruder is going to stick around to get popped again. Unless they have their own way.
A lot of things to think about. Being able to stop someone coming at you, using a pellet gun, can help you escape while they are on the floor in pain. That is one big knife lol. My stock is dry but it needs another coat. It's extremely grippy but it still almost feels wet.
Nice!! Looking forward to see your stock and gun! I think I won't escape though, if they come at me and they drop? I am gonna end the game, it's my call! LOL
My Asian friend, this is a very, very well done presentation on self-defense with a pellet firing airgun. It's obvious you've done your research on this topic. As for the school boy you spoke of who suffered and died after being shot in the chest, there's a serious chance the pellet's impact did serious damage to his aorta which is actually closer to the surface of the body's truck than people think and if the aorta is shocked enough or ruptured, it can cause death pretty damn quick and penetration is not necessary. Yes sir, this is a really good, very informative presentation. BTW, I can see you are a serious collector of weapons of war looking at your wall and the background behind you. Thanks for sharing this information and for the sincere effort in putting this together.
REALLY appreciate this. Great info. I have heard that mushroom shaped pellets installed backwards expand dramatically on penetration. heard of this? Thanks
if your weapon has a very high muzzle velicity, 1300 fps+ and your target is at very close range, then yes, this might be slightly more effective at close range, but with air guns, typically penetrarion is the goal as the light weight of the round vastly decreases the potential momentum and and quite probably at more than 5 feet, assuming the intruder doesnt stand perfectly still and allow you to take careful sim, the pellet would likely bounce off of the intruder if loaded backwards and probaly do nothing more than wake up tomorrow and say ouch, thats a bit tender, after hes murdered you.
Very interesting video, I have the Beretta PX4 Storm by Umarex, the Sig Sauer P226 mk25 Desert and the Colt Phyton by Swiss army, and I can agree with you that they are not a toy; I did make a hole on my wall! so I can imagine the damage it can make in a person. I have to try those blue arrow pellets, at the moment I just used RWS hobby pellets.
You made very good points, but the purpose of these in a self defense situation would be at close range 5-6 ft the idea being to hit someone wear skin is exposed ie the neck or face. That being said if you hit your assailant in the face with 2-4 shots he’s not gonna stick around for more. The most important thing is to be committed and focused as to your actions.
***** The 520 fps with steel BBs vs Pellet is a big difference. The thing is, the FPS is just velocity but if you combine the mass, BBs are lighter and so it will produce less impact on the target (less energy). I will never trust a Daisy Powerline for a job like this though, it's not reliable and daisy guns are more like cheapos class, poor quality built.
+Chiinnature I know it's a year old but the fact that steel BB is lighter than lead pellet doesn't necessarily mean it has less of a penetration. The problem with lead is that it is soft, so that extra energy it carries due to its weight will actually be lost on pellet's deformation. Of two projectiles with the same kinetic energy the harder one penetrates better.
+Roger Gurman l got a .25 cal breakbarrel capable of 30+fpe. the " soft" lead ammo it shoots weights 28 grains. now, just imagine what would be like if someone gets shot in the body with something like that. And the reason why hunting slugs are made of lead is exactly because of deforming while traveling through the flesh. lt makes way more damage.
+Cetriem Mmmm We're not talking about dealing more damage, we're talking about penetration. Penetration depends upon three things: projectile's energy, projectile's hardness and impact surface. Whatever potent damage .25 cal lead projectile deals, a steel projectile of same caliber would deal just as much damage and exhibit higher penetration, provided their kinetic energy is more or less the same. One could argue that pointy lead pellets should have higher penetration than steel BBs due to smaller impact surface, but tests show that because of lead pellet's softness the penetration is about the same. And flat-headed lead pellets have little to no penetration whatsoever, unless you consider penetrating paper or cardboard an achievement. Slugs are made of lead because a) at high velocities that firearm ammo has it's not that big of a difference where penetration of soft tissue is concerned and b) shotgun barrels narrow at the end, so I think using hard projectiles could be dangerous.
And the barrel on the Vigilante is Rifled. It will spin the pellet. I think you should try revisiting the Crosman 357 WITH different pellets. The results will be pretty shocking. Like the H&N hornets or Gamo lethals, Red flights,
This may have been brought up but I am adding it anyway. The PT 85 or any blowback gives a realistic impression upon draw when you cock it back and say whatever you say to try to defuse the situation. Depending on the circumstance the fear factor could enough without actually having to pull the trigger at the target. Or even to make a shot or two to the side for warning. I would like to hear what other people think of the value of simulating realism in a quick unexpected situation?
I do not have a pellet pistol, but I do have a tiny firearm pistol in .22LR that I deploy the same way. 40 grains of lead going maybe 600-700 fps from a 1 inch barrel is not much better than a pellet so the same strategies as described in this video apply.
wayne davis: many folks round the world have lost their lives to the "diminitive" .22lr. Benedict: use cci stinger hollow point ammo for your .22 handgun I myself always carry a pocket knife, pepper spray & sometimes carry a short barrel 1851 percussion revolver in .44 with 2 extra cylinders. I know its not the best choice but when your short on ca$h you make do with what you got.
@@waynedavis2505 A high majority of gun fights end with the first shot no matter the caliber. Most people shot with a .22 are not going to keep attacking. According to FBI statistics, a single shot from a .22 has almost a 90% chance of stopping an attacker. 9mm and above have a slightly higher chance of ending a fight with a single shot, while a rifle cartridge from .223 and above or shotgun have a near 100% success rate of ending a fight with a single shot. .22 is cheap and easier to handle than other calibers. Unless you're expecting someone with body armor, .22 should be sufficient for self defense.
@@sakura608 You are all trying to inform me of what i already know. The drawback i can see with .22 is it being rimfire ammo and subject to misfire. A .22 fired from a pistol even if the box claims 1,200 or 1,400 feet per second out of a 6 inch barrel they are only doing about 650 to 800 fps with a maximum weight of 40 gr. it will have little shock power. Don't get me wrong here that little bullet will cut a nasty little chanel and cause great pain. I carry a .22 when i'm packing light but i have a .9mm and .44 mag when i'm feeling a little less casual. Go with what feels right and use your head. I stand with what i said because it's fact, a .22 is NOT recommended for self defence. However the sailors have a saying, any port in a storm will do.
I'm confused. The H&K P30 is rated at 360 fps with pellets and the P99 is rated at 345 fps, yet you say that the P99 is the most powerful pellet pistol??? You also say that the P(( will shoot in the "high 380's" and then even go to 400 fps. What am I missing here? I would greatly appreciate any clarification you may provide. Thank you.
I use a Daisy Powerline 415 bb gun. I use it to clear the outside of where I am living it shoots at 495 FPS, the problem is you run out of CO2 very quickly. I also have it to keep an eye on it. As a PC tech I use it to dust my computer.
Is it ok to use Crossman hunting pointed .177 cal pellets for the pt-85? someone told me that it jams or can break the gun if using pointed pellets. I do not believe these have longer skirts, just a pointed tip.
VoidraMusic WTF? The umarex ppk only shoot about a lot 250fps or less. You got scammed? It is the WORSE bb gun built so far, and will break after a few months
just bought a Gamo PX107, 15 shot 4.5mm steel bb 409~410 FPS non blow back, with gamo lead coated bb's, not bad for self defense? I saw a couple more nice models at the gun shop, they're having a huge sale soon, going to buy some more !
VoidraMusic No good for self defense. The gun is way too weak, and the mag is not a practical style for carry. It's a plinkler only. Btw, if you are really looking for a "self defense" air weapon, your best bet is a Tiberius T8.1, not a 4.5mm bb gun
I like all the arm chair experts.."yeah but if you shoot the bad guy in the face with a bazooka thats better"..the guy said in the beginning this is a vid about 177 cal pellet guns..as in if this was all you had. a 177 cal pellet in the eye moving at 400 fps is going to stop you dead in your tracks unless you're the terminator. yes there are better options but it'll work!! great vid :-)
I got the walter based on the video, the 380Fps is certainly noticeable. Before I carried my Powerline 426 at 430 fps. Now i'm seeing the Powerline 415 is at 500fps with 21 internal magazine shots. More shots higher FPS lighter projectile BB v Pellet? Yeah Im get the 415 this weekend If its the same length or shorter I think i'd rather go BB for the 100+ FPS and almost 3times the ammo.
how about using .177 lead balls ? They are heavier than bb and ball type projectiles will do nasty wounds ( according to some historical records ). On a side note, a ballistic Jelly test will be interesting.
+papaburger It will not work because even with lead balls, the weight is just 8.4gr and .177 cal is way too small. You will be having a lot of energy density which will pinch the target but you will have very low momentum which is in "slug feet per second". Therefore, no matter pellet or lead ball, it will not work and wont stop anyone. You will ouch the target, but not drop them or stop them. Some people get shot by a pellet gun even feel it a few seconds after the shot... it's not a good idea. No ballisitic gel test required because we are not even giving a shit about penetration here. you want "stopping power" for self defense, not penetrate. Even your lead ball can penetrate through flesh, it wont go deep enough to the organs anyway, so it is a waste of time to even test penetration. For stopping power, you need a much greater mass, and that is why I recommend people using this --> ua-cam.com/video/2scuB3B6HwQ/v-deo.html
People don’t seem to understand that pellet or B.B. guns can kill. We’re not encouraging people to deliberately buy pellet or B.B. gun for the soul purpose of self defense. With guns like these, placement and speed is very important factor. Where you hit perpetrator got hit and how fast (penetration) it’s traveling. EYES, NECK, HEART, EARS. I have pellet guns with BBs and pellets in magazines, CO2 also sitting in place but not punctured yet. If so needed, just one twist and I’m good to go. 😂😂
Hi, I'm about to buy one of these guns and I can not decide which. I like the M1A1 STEYR DT, by having metal slide and power (about 3.3 joules) is impressive. My other option is Umarex XBG with TAC converter kit that does not have much power but should be very funny besides being able to customize it. The point is that if I find a situation where I have to defend myself from a robbery which of the two I would be more useful? I have to pick just one.
Good video, long but entertaining! I have a 9XP BB gun and I shoot it in the basement, I have a target set up, a circle 5.5 inches in diameter, and I always hit it from about 23 feet away. I think it can be a very deadly gun at point-blank range, which 90% of confrontations and robberies happen. I have carried it a few times. It's also a very loud BB gun too, it gets pretty cold in the basement and that effects the Co2 because my pellet gun is ridiculously loud so if someone tried to do something stupid, I think the loudness of it aside from the shock of getting shot, will definitely scare them off, especially if they are junkie crackheads, their bones are brittle anyway, so I could only imagine the damage a BB gun will do at point-blank range will do!! Come get some crackheads!!!!
Good video! Very good info! I carry a cane and kubotan and a mini slingshot for self defense. I'm still a gun owner and have trained and carried one for years but you can't carry a sidearm everywhere.
I just discovered your video because I am interested in airgun for self defense. You are so funny sometimes ! :-) I like your energy in this video ! :-) You convicted me to avoid blowback effect gun. I have currently a cheap airgun (a Daisy for BB & pellets) but I consider to buy a new one and I think I will chose the same as yours because the criteria you presented are so true ! But as this video is now almost 4 years old. Do you suggest another model ? I know the model you presented is always available on the market, but maybe you discover another good gun which meets the same criteria... :-) I used to do target pistol shooting competition when I was young, so I think I'd be not too bad to aim if I do again practices. :-)
That kid would have probably died from percussive shock to the heart due the pellet impacting his Sternum...The transmitted energy wave disrupting it's normal function....good video by the way.
Part 1 of my message: Ok....I have a problem. I just received my new Dan Wesson 2.5in pellet gun on Friday. After close inspection, I found that the cartridge dose not seat at the rear of the frame. The cartridges are the ones where you unscrew the tip, insert the pellet, and screw the tip back on.
Can a CO2 pistol be stored for long period of time at the ready (CO2 can already pierced), or would the CO2 leak out eventually? I'm thinking of something for my mom for home defense....I just don't want her to have to fiddle around trying to pierce the CO2 cartridge under stress....unless it is doeable fast from the outside of the pistol where one does not have to take apart the handle in order to pierce/activate it?
One more quick question when you are using a pellet gun does it shoot the pellet faster if you tilt the gun to the side and move it back-and-forth when you’re shooting it
Here is the test that I did. With a cartridge in the cylinder, and the barrel pointed at the ground, I would spin the cylinder so the cartridge is at the firing position. I can see daylight between the rear of the cartridge, and the seal at the rear of the frame. With the barrel still pointed at the ground, if I push up on the cylinder, the air gap is gone. Does yours do that? or do I have a faulty gun!
Thank you for your video. I am in Texas. Practically an open carry for be gun. Can you tell me how to remove the warning writing, not etched, off of my Walter PPS? I understand the law, but if anything I want to dull it since a lot of the thought is making it look real to scare away someone for self defense. Thanks for the videos!
Matt Christolear Walther PPS 4.5mm for self defense is no different from using an airsoft gun, don't even try that... unless it's for "scare tactic" only, but the power is totally not enough. PPS is very weak you know.... and there isn't much way to remove the warnings, just paint over it if you like or sand the slide all silver and then re-paint it or re-blue it
Matt Christolear no good. PT 85 is a blowback gun, and because of blowbck you lack power. The blowback action use a lot of Co2 and also freeze up your co2 big time, which is like using your air for NOTHING in the situation. Said it int he video already, no blowbacks for this kinda thing. Anything blowback is basically stupid in this situation because you want the most power, not realism....not forget the PT85 is not even realistic at all
+Chiinnature Hi and thanks for the video; like your videos very much. ..its good to have these in mind incase we have no choice but to use these pistols...I have a Walther PPS also I like it very much due to its compact style. I watched your video today and I feel good; because yesterday I ordered already H&K P30 FDE. I like the military-look of such pistols.... And this was one of the pistols you preferred for self-defense.... My pallets are 7,7 grain...I thinks these should be okay... Regards from Istanbul TR
It's a nice gun but for what purpose? Don't expect "power" from these (not for defense), and they are more like just another plinkling gun. Realism-wise, it's shit. The problem is the Co2 (1) in the gun to fire the pellets at FAST RATE = disaster in terms of power consistancy. If there are like only 8 shots a clip, the time you change clip allows the Co2 to return back to normal. But with that many shots in a clip, you will be firing fast, and the Co2 will freeze up fast, which means very inconsistent. However, if you shoot slower, it will work too. Just never rapid fire if you want good shots.
@@Chiinnature thank you very much for the information on that, I’m just looking for something for home defence as someone rob my house while I was at home, I was thinking to get the umarex t4e paintball pistol or a pellet pistol for protecting myself. What would be you choice and which gun model will you choose? Thank you very much again
Great vid, little tip try and write a ''script'' with what you're going to say, so you dont repeat yourself as often, Keep up to good work. Greetings from The Netherlands.
Hi, as you recommend the Walther CP99, what would be your opinion on the Umarex Beretta 92FS or the Colt Government 1911 (basically the same gun internally) for self defense? As far as I can tell, the Beretta is more powerful; on the downside it is much heavier than the CP99. Thx.
they all suck for self defense - first they are weak, and second is they are heavy, and third is only 8 friggin WEAK shots that deliver no stopping power. Not a good idea. The tech side of it is, The springs on the walter and beretta is very much prone to fail soon or later because they get weaked so fast, with some more practice shooting, your hammer gets weak and your double action shooting will really suck and go down in power even more. The colt 1911 really suck, I have 2 and they both fail the same way after some playing, the gun cannot fire anymore due to the hammer issue. The only good one out of the expensive umarex is the revolver, 586 or 686, they stay strong and perform well after torture testing and abuse shooting, and still shoot straight and nice, but still not a self defense option. If you want a real man stopping and close to lethal option, try my all time favorite - ua-cam.com/video/06XtC52K50k/v-deo.html - see the result yourself... no pellet gun can do that (at least not a replica gun)
Thanks. Agreed on the superiority of .68 guns vs. .177. That said, I am looking into less than lethal concealed carrying, which sort of precludes T8.1 or even TiPX, does it not? Any thoughts?
ua-cam.com/video/06XtC52K50k/v-deo.html - a proof of power for you. T8.1 tuned maxed power 28-30 joules, shooting 6.2 grams bulls breaker balls, hard as hell, break bones. The TIPX when tuned max cannot even give you a 16j stable performance, forget it, that thing is only good for pepperballs and not for power. The Tippmann TCR is better, 20-24j when tuned to high power, stable performance, but it does get picky with tweakings and barrel upgrades etc. T8.1, T9.1, T4.1 are the only 3 that works for high power shooting at 28-30j mark for stable performance. The BT Dfender works too, but expensive, and hard to tweak to the sweet spot of 28-30j mark. For carry, T8.1 is the only option in the market now, tested so many guns and I don't see any paintball pistol or rifle matching the same power. T8.1 is sold for military as the FN303P for the military to use at 25j settings, but you can really get it up to 30j easily to be honest, just that they are trying to boost sales for the rifle FN303 so they mark the rifle 30j and the pistol 25j to try to make it look like the pistol is weaker lol
Thanks. If the Umarex pistol are not really built for long-term reliability, which CO2 pellet pistol (no revolver) would you recommend? ... should be reasonably powerful, no need for blow-back. Thx
trying to find the good hand guns that are at 495fps , i got a GAMO P430 but i am not sure if they are really going as fast as what is claimed on the package. have you tested this?
any idea regarding cz09 airgun, i purchased it but it seems used and co2 cartridge empty in mere 24 rounds but its blowback is so powerful and they claim speed of 490 fps. please suggest does cp99 better than this
when you see blowback, it means NO GOOD for power. the co2 is used in the slide for kicking back, not on the shots you know? and no it does not shoot at 490 fps. You can find many chrono result of that gun online, and it is nowhere near 400
Hi there. Thanks for your fantastic presentation and useful information about everything. I want to ask a very crucial question and I would be happy to receive your response. Is it possible to install co2 capsule in gun and have it for a long time without using the gun? I mean to have a gun ready to use for about 6 month without damaging the o-rings and ....? Or we have to take out or empty the co2 capsule?
Keeping an air pistol for self defence such as a break in and the pistol is stored with the CO2 cartridge loaded for a long period of time, wouldn't the gas leak out slowly over time?
some guns like the cp99 and such are okay to store with co2 for 3+ months. I have tried it already, but then you can always shoot the co2 on the weekend for practice, and then gas it up again for 7 days. No harm,... and no gas will leak out slowly, unless your seals are bad and dried up.
Chiinnature if you want to store for self defense surely you can insert cartridge but not screw up all the way? Then in time of need you take a few seconds to insert cartridge first. Extra time may be bad, but better than having no gas...
I have a crosman vigilante revolver. Is it better to aim at the person to scare them off with this gun, or is it powerful enough to shoot them and disarm them?
I bought one and still decided to bring it back cuz they have some serious power especially the ones over 400fps just the sound making you think that's gonna hurt
Why are people disliking this video there is nothing wrong with it, it is perfect
How can you not love this guy. A gun/hunting channel on TV needs to put you on prime time.
This guy is my people!
Brilliant video 👍
I am a paramedic and saw a person shot in the chest and neck with a pellet gun and actually killed the person. One shot was lucky enough to enter between the ribs and bury itself in the heart, and the shot to the neck tore a major blood vessel and did damage the trachea. Bottom line: they can kill!
+Nowel Garcia Definitely scary to see that wound and examine what happened! Thanks for sharing FACTS and your valuable experience! It is nice to see these real life experience stuff and finally can nuke some dumbass who always say "airguns are just toys, they cannot kill ya". People don't understand the dangerous of these things until they are shot by one like in that incident of yours! Scary shit!
+Nowel Garcia My guess is that was likely a pellet rifle traveling at a velocity of well over 500 fps. Some go 600 - 1200 fps. Which is technically a firearm in Canada and many other countries. I dont think a BB pistol going at 350 fps will come even close to that damage. Which IMO is a good thing. Still, I would not consider a bb pistoleven at 350 fps a toy though, can still be dangerous yes. Lethal no.
+Billy Beam metal bb traveling around the 300-400fps can also penetrate skin but won't have enough energy to go deep enough to do that kinda damage. However, if a pistol like that is shot to the face, it is another story. I have heard of a gangsta guy shot another guy with a cp99 with some wadcutters and 3 shots to the face, the guy is down the ground with 1 eye permanently gone.So.. not like it is not gonna hurt! Lethal or not might depend on the shot placement only! Always treat them like a firearm is the best safety tips for all gunners!
+Chiinnature No doubt you can lose an eye from them!
There has been numerous driving by shooting with pellet guns this year in Abbotsfords BC. In Coquitlam there was an armed robbery involving pellet guns.
Excellent video I enjoyed every bit of it. I am a security agent and work with real guns and rifles and even I cannot dismiss the use of pelet amo cause it has STOPING power. I like CO2 guns with 400 fps or more ( great punch as you say). But I started thinking about bb's: I came to the idea that if you practice well and can consistently place shot to a tight area, you can consecutively place 3 or 4 rounds to a persons head zone ( without piercing, only impact) and still obtain a decent stoping momentum because of pain. Even bb guns have the warning label you mention. Wish you many more victories in your life 😠👍💥
Everytime i want a bit of entertainment, i watch this clip, pure action
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BECAUSE OF YOU! I learned so much I totally reversed my earlier decisions on what to buy and now I own a CP99 which every review out there says is one of the best guns I could have chosen. Your video was very informative, logical and just made a lot of sense. I've never left a comment before, but the usefulness of your information saved the day for me and I wanted to let you know how much your video helped me. Thank you.
The Walther PPQ is good too but you have to get the one that has the large 50 caliber rubber balls not the bb
And another good product to have for self-defense if that's what you're using it for is the HPD 50
11 Jewel version that is another gun from Umarex that uses large caliber rubber balls
Another well presented practical video on equipment and self defence, I learned a lot about knives and how to handle them in a self defence situation in past videos
I know this is an older video; but you’ve got my interest. I was also an RN-paramedic for 15 years before my 3rd year of Med School. While regular guns are legal here; we had a lot of parents buying these for their kids for target practice. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS! While they’re not as lethal as a 38; someone hit in the “wrong place”, CAN BE as lethal as a regular gun! Like the paramedic below, I’ve also seen far too many pediatric accidental shootings. Very early in my career, while a single mom with a 4yr old; I almost gave up my entire future after attending numerous GSW deaths, and severe injuries of young, under 15, children in less than a month. To say I became an over-protective mom is an understatement. After my former professor counseled me, we decided instead of burning out, I would fight our State for laws to protect future children. We were successful with helping to push a law requiring parents to keep both types as well as some other potentially dangerous weapons NOT MEANT FOR CHILDREN, in locked drawers or gun cabinets. It wasn’t easy, but the parents of the severely injured or deceased children allowed us to show graphic pictures of what we saw when arriving on scene, and many of these parents gave testimony in our behalf. All except 2 of over 30 severe injuries and deaths were “accidental”, including a few 3 and 4 year olds who picked up their parents loaded guns and thought it was a toy.
ON THE OTHER HAND; for someone like me, older, living alone in a rural area; I would MUCH prefer to get one of these air guns. I had a small 38 for MANY years, I gratefully never had to use for anything except target practice. But, I had it IF I needed it, and kept it close to me, but safety on and out of sight. No one here even knew I had it, but it was found and stolen when I was in the hospital and my house was burglarized and ransacked when I was gone. I was scared to death for awhile that they would come back, but luckily the person was caught, with my gun, just a week later. My other fear was that he might use it on someone else, or accidentally on himself. I would feel MUCH safer having one of these.
A few of the injuries I’ve seen with these air/pellet guns and rifles? Eye, through the orbital, 1mm from the brain. Lost the eye, required reconstructive surgery. 2 missing toes on a 15 yr old who was so excited about having his own air rifle-he SLEPT with it, LOADED! The toes were so mangled, they had to be amputated and required intricate foot surgery to save his foot. I’ve seen other face shots, one near death when he ruptured his temporal artery. I’ve seen these lead pellets lodge in the lungs and abdominal organs. I know there was more, but those are ones I remember.
Personally, I think training, including safety training, SHOULD BE REQUIRED. You are correct, these are NOT “toys” and Any child, if you want to teach them to shoot, start with SAFETY BEFORE TARGET practice; and ALWAYS Use with CLOSE supervision!
YOU’re also correct towards the end-one thing I learned in 6 weeks of law enforcement/gun safety; was often a robber or attacker can be frightened away just by the sight of a gun! One more constant: more homeowners are shot with their own weapons than the robber or attacker shot in self-defense. If you’re getting one for protection, 1. Realize this and 2. Learn other means of self defense! These things can be perfect for many people; they can also be a blast to target practice with. Just NEVER underestimate the damage that can be done, and STAY SAFE, for your sake as well as others!
I do agree the guns are deadly weapons - but it's just the same as kitchen knives. Passing laws about those guns must be locked in cabinet shit is non-sense to me, why not just lock your knives in kitchen too then? Kids are fucked up because of parenting, not because the law. The fucked up parents are morons themselves then that lead to stupid kids. I have friends who have kids and they shoot firearms and keep firearm at home, no problem. Why? Because the parents can teach them how to deal with these things first and show them the dangerous side of guns before they are brainwashed by movies or cartoons. It all comes down to parenting and not being stupid, not laws. Laws? do they protect us? NOT so much. I was surprised how useless law was when I was a victim before, and I had evidence, but the cops were the stupid pigs who can't do the job right and end up I have to defend for myself. So, making more laws just makes it harder for normal people to be armed and protect themselves, but the criminals don't give a fuck about laws, they buy guns from blackmarket or just smuggle one from somewhere and there goes a break in case or a shooting. Who cares about law when they decide to be a criminal? Duh.
very serious and scary experiences!!! not for kids, agree!
@@Chiinnature man, that was AWESOME!!!!
some parents ARE morons and same w their kids.
If you dont respect these weapons, you are gonna get hurt or hurt someone.
I feel bad for the EMT here and GOOD cops, but its part of the job.
Tell it like it is-
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I was scrolling through videos and your vid caught my attention ( title that is. ) viewed it completely and all i can say. Awesome! You kept it 100%. Looking forward for more.
This vid was the whole package, from beginner to expert knowledge.
Your opening telling people not to make off comments saying id take a knife or club and that being bullshit got you a subscriber man! Haha i loved it, ive seen several of your vids now and am enjoying them!
+Patricia Spayd - true, sometimes just SEEING a gun already make them fly away, and that's how most gun-defense is like in real life too.
What about a crosman shockwave .22 at 800fps
forget the pellet guns - see this ua-cam.com/video/06XtC52K50k/v-deo.html
Chiinnature thank you for posting. Very informative.
What if the son of a bitch has a real gun or attacks with even more violence?
Worse is if you see a burglar in the night, he will not be able to see that you have a gun. What should you do? With a pellet gun you can't feel very safe.
I bet you anyone that says pellet guns are useless for self defense won't stand in front of one.
Your room is amazing. Would love to see all that cool stuff you have.
Good point about the blowback- wasted gas.
Thanks a lot! That was the most useful, informative video I've ever seen on that topic. Too often the people that talk about guns ignore the practical aspects and never discuss self defense as if you really might need to cause harm. Your explanation about why you selected the gun you carry and where best to aim for made perfect sense. No pussy footing about, you went straight for the head which I've always thought was the best target on a human to cause the most pain and/or damage. After all 'self defense' should mean exactly that, in other words, its not something to talk about lightly because if you really are in danger from another person, they'll likely be fairly close by and the circumstances unequivocal enough that no one is going to bicker about why you chose to use a gun to incapacitate them. ONLY in a case where its them or you but in those circumstances, yes, you should aim for their face as the pain alone and disorientation should be enough to disarm them from further attacks.
Your channel is great man!
I appreciate that!
Great video! Thanks for all the knowledge. I love pellet guns
T Mathews Thank you~
I don't own a regular gun what pelican do you recommend that would be very effective
I bought the vigilante by coincidence actually. I’m glad I’m stupid sometimes and forgot you mentioned the vigilante because I can honestly say I made the decision myself. Then I come back and remember you recommended it and found a lot of people that enjoy it which reinforces my decision rather than influencing me prior.
Thank you for your passion and dedication to share this knowledge! 👏🏾
Pretty cool lecture. Never would have thought about air/co2 guns as self-defense consideration, sometimes just having a firearm that people can see defers an attack. I was driving home on I81 in Virginia when a young man in a huge RAM truck began following me - I tried to get away from him - even exited the Interstate, but he followed me. I stopped at a gas station and he pulled right next to my door, hemming me inside my own car. Him and his girlfriend evidently thought that my old age self and my 99 E320 Benz were causing him some grief, and as God is my Witness I have NO IDEA why this man was chasing me down the interstate and off onto a gas station! ANYWAY - by the time he leaned around his girlfriend to yell at me thru his truck glass, I had my 357 magnum, the nickel plated version, aimed at the roof of my car - not pointing at them at all. I shouted, "LEAVE ME ALONE" thru my 1/2 down window. The young woman's eyes actually GOGGLED. I've never seen anyone's eyes do this before, but the SIGHT of the weapon they must have pissed themselves and he hit the gas and roarted out of there. LEaving me sitting in my Benz, in the gas station. A man at the station came over and asked if I was okay. I was fine, my nerves were very rattled, but the sight of a pistol and those two were long long gone. I suppose they never expected a grey haired old woman in a Benz to be armed. Thank God for Our Second Amendment and Concealed Weapon Permits! This is a great alternative also! Enough shot pounded at one - to discourage and attack - all the BETTER! No, I would not have shot those people, but I would have shot out his RAM TRUCK TIRES!! ANd phoned the police!
in Kentucky no one will even be that stupid.Period.
I studied and done many experiments on this subject. What is my conclusion? The answer is yes but only if (1) you shoot the bad guy in the face or the neck. If you can’t, at least in the head when he has no hat or hood (2) choose the most powerful pullets (3) I use the 10 shots revolver with extra 4 clips in my pocket. I always put the cartridge inside ready to screw in to use. You can shoot them comfortably by holding the metal handle and without putting back the plastic handle.(4) I use it if only when I didn’t need to use my real gun to kill some one or when I don’t have a real one on hand for some reasons.
I have m92
Wadcutter flatheads
500 them and 10co2
My gun
Shoots 60
Shots think
Enough do person in
Don’t know
Why smith
Suggested flatheads
Heard chamber better
Than pointed ones
What freak difference
Of penetrations
Do you think a full auto dpms will take someone down? I think it would destroy someone.
yea i mean anyone would run if they continously shot by pellet. whether they are lethal or not
34:15 Best line, & I haven't even finished watching it. You rock pal.
Thank you for your informative video. You answered a lot of questions, many of which I had not even considered before. Thx again.
Great video. I gained a lot of knowledge from what you said. It also help me choose the co 2 gun I am going to purchase. Like and subscribed to your channel.
Very well said thanks for the safety tips more parents need to take these guns very serious you made this video very easy to understand, your right it is not about killing someone but to stop them so you can get away from harms path, i know i wouldn't keep walking into a on firring pellet gun after feeling the effects of the first two shots,and i thank you, looking forward to more of your videos...................
dock saylor Thanks for watching!
That was a good video. I understood completely everything you said and it makes sense. To stop an intruder. It's the shock of the attack that is the element of surprise. No intruder is going to stick around to get popped again. Unless they have their own way.
mksalgado thanks for being a real audience!
A lot of things to think about. Being able to stop someone coming at you, using a pellet gun, can help you escape while they are on the floor in pain. That is one big knife lol.
My stock is dry but it needs another coat. It's extremely grippy but it still almost feels wet.
Nice!! Looking forward to see your stock and gun! I think I won't escape though, if they come at me and they drop? I am gonna end the game, it's my call! LOL
Here in the UK we are very limited to what we are allowed air guns yes and crossbow's are a very good backup too ,if the shit hits the fan .
kev Watts You poor bastards. Pathetic.
Very good reveiw on these .177 cal he has done all the work and for that 2 thumbs up
My Asian friend, this is a very, very well done presentation on self-defense with a pellet firing airgun. It's obvious you've done your research on this topic. As for the school boy you spoke of who suffered and died after being shot in the chest, there's a serious chance the pellet's impact did serious damage to his aorta which is actually closer to the surface of the body's truck than people think and if the aorta is shocked enough or ruptured, it can cause death pretty damn quick and penetration is not necessary. Yes sir, this is a really good, very informative presentation. BTW, I can see you are a serious collector of weapons of war looking at your wall and the background behind you. Thanks for sharing this information and for the sincere effort in putting this together.
Man good video but I'm only halfway thru it! I been watching it 4 hr.! You have alot of pellet guns!
REALLY appreciate this.
Great info.
I have heard that mushroom shaped pellets installed backwards expand dramatically on penetration.
heard of this?
Thanks
T Harris Hollow points? Yes. Hollow points do the most damage out of all types of pellets.
Hahaha😂😂
if your weapon has a very high muzzle velicity, 1300 fps+ and your target is at very close range, then yes, this might be slightly more effective at close range, but with air guns, typically penetrarion is the goal as the light weight of the round vastly decreases the potential momentum and and quite probably at more than 5 feet, assuming the intruder doesnt stand perfectly still and allow you to take careful sim, the pellet would likely bounce off of the intruder if loaded backwards and probaly do nothing more than wake up tomorrow and say ouch, thats a bit tender, after hes murdered you.
So many good pointers, thank you!!
Very interesting video, I have the Beretta PX4 Storm by Umarex, the Sig Sauer P226 mk25 Desert and the Colt Phyton by Swiss army, and I can agree with you that they are not a toy; I did make a hole on my wall! so I can imagine the damage it can make in a person. I have to try those blue arrow pellets, at the moment I just used RWS hobby pellets.
Yo bro do you think the m17 pistol is a good home defense pellet gun and have you seen the new ak1 bb gun you should do a review on that
You made very good points, but the purpose of these in a self defense situation would be at close range 5-6 ft the idea being to hit someone wear skin is exposed ie the neck or face. That being said if you hit your assailant in the face with 2-4 shots he’s not gonna stick around for more. The most important thing is to be committed and focused as to your actions.
Thanks for informing us about blowback downside.
Calling BS on the trolls was great!
***** The 520 fps with steel BBs vs Pellet is a big difference. The thing is, the FPS is just velocity but if you combine the mass, BBs are lighter and so it will produce less impact on the target (less energy). I will never trust a Daisy Powerline for a job like this though, it's not reliable and daisy guns are more like cheapos class, poor quality built.
+Chiinnature I know it's a year old but the fact that steel BB is lighter than lead pellet doesn't necessarily mean it has less of a penetration. The problem with lead is that it is soft, so that extra energy it carries due to its weight will actually be lost on pellet's deformation. Of two projectiles with the same kinetic energy the harder one penetrates better.
+Roger Gurman l got a .25 cal breakbarrel capable of 30+fpe. the " soft" lead ammo it shoots weights 28 grains. now, just imagine what would be like if someone gets shot in the body with something like that. And the reason why hunting slugs are made of lead is exactly because of deforming while traveling through the flesh. lt makes way more damage.
+Cetriem Mmmm We're not talking about dealing more damage, we're talking about penetration. Penetration depends upon three things: projectile's energy, projectile's hardness and impact surface. Whatever potent damage .25 cal lead projectile deals, a steel projectile of same caliber would deal just as much damage and exhibit higher penetration, provided their kinetic energy is more or less the same.
One could argue that pointy lead pellets should have higher penetration than steel BBs due to smaller impact surface, but tests show that because of lead pellet's softness the penetration is about the same. And flat-headed lead pellets have little to no penetration whatsoever, unless you consider penetrating paper or cardboard an achievement.
Slugs are made of lead because a) at high velocities that firearm ammo has it's not that big of a difference where penetration of soft tissue is concerned and b) shotgun barrels narrow at the end, so I think using hard projectiles could be dangerous.
I'm talking about 8 grain lead BBs anyway . I'm not taking about junk steel BBs !
And the barrel on the Vigilante is Rifled. It will spin the pellet.
I think you should try revisiting the Crosman 357 WITH different pellets.
The results will be pretty shocking.
Like the H&N hornets or Gamo lethals, Red flights,
My new favorite UA-cam Chanel. I use a co2 for a house protection.
Johan Gavieres keep that CO2 12g fresh. Tighten up screws to punch hole on CO2 only when you need it.
Which is the best co2 gun for house protection??
I friggin love this dude.
Taylour Russell this nigga is wrong lol pellet guns won’t do shit
I’ve gotten shot with a pellet gun and it didn’t do anything besides a scratch this ain’t stopping anyone bro
Theirs a video of a nigga taking bb shots too the face point blank
This may have been brought up but I am adding it anyway. The PT 85 or any blowback gives a realistic impression upon draw when you cock it back and say whatever you say to try to defuse the situation. Depending on the circumstance the fear factor could enough without actually having to pull the trigger at the target. Or even to make a shot or two to the side for warning.
I would like to hear what other people think of the value of simulating realism in a quick unexpected situation?
I do not have a pellet pistol, but I do have a tiny firearm pistol in .22LR that I deploy the same way. 40 grains of lead going maybe 600-700 fps from a 1 inch barrel is not much better than a pellet so the same strategies as described in this video apply.
.22 is also NOT recommended for a defence weapon.. But it would be far better than a bb gun.
wayne davis: many folks round the world have lost their lives to the "diminitive" .22lr.
Benedict: use cci stinger hollow point ammo for your .22 handgun
I myself always carry a pocket knife, pepper spray & sometimes carry a short barrel 1851 percussion revolver in .44 with 2 extra cylinders. I know its not the best choice but when your short on ca$h you make do with what you got.
Your fine anything going close to 1000 fps can kill somone, remember a bullet is a bullet
@@waynedavis2505 A high majority of gun fights end with the first shot no matter the caliber. Most people shot with a .22 are not going to keep attacking.
According to FBI statistics, a single shot from a .22 has almost a 90% chance of stopping an attacker. 9mm and above have a slightly higher chance of ending a fight with a single shot, while a rifle cartridge from .223 and above or shotgun have a near 100% success rate of ending a fight with a single shot. .22 is cheap and easier to handle than other calibers. Unless you're expecting someone with body armor, .22 should be sufficient for self defense.
@@sakura608 You are all trying to inform me of what i already know. The drawback i can see with .22 is it being rimfire ammo and subject to misfire. A .22 fired from a pistol even if the box claims 1,200 or 1,400 feet per second out of a 6 inch barrel they are only doing about 650 to 800 fps with a maximum weight of 40 gr. it will have little shock power. Don't get me wrong here that little bullet will cut a nasty little chanel and cause great pain. I carry a .22 when i'm packing light but i have a .9mm and .44 mag when i'm feeling a little less casual. Go with what feels right and use your head. I stand with what i said because it's fact, a .22 is NOT recommended for self defence. However the sailors have a saying, any port in a storm will do.
I'm confused. The H&K P30 is rated at 360 fps with pellets and the P99 is rated at 345 fps, yet you say that the P99 is the most powerful pellet pistol??? You also say that the P(( will shoot in the "high 380's" and then even go to 400 fps. What am I missing here? I would greatly appreciate any clarification you may provide. Thank you.
_.177 Co2 pallet pistol with hunting slugs or heavy 21 gr pellets can be effective against dogs in 2 to 10 ft distance in case of dog attacks?_
You just earned a new suscriber my freind. Keep up the good work!
+Raidel Rodriguez thanks for subbing!
Chiinnature your outta yo mind bro house a pellet gun going too kill someone little grain that can’t even go through yo mamas curtains
Great explanation!
The silicone Grease worked for my leaking CO2 thank you Stan
Hello, does that walther CP 99 can use that blue pointed pellets that you show on this video?
thecleaner8787 yes
Chiinnature thanks man
Excellent video. Watched the whole thing. Thank you for your time.
The Walther PPQ is good as long as you use it with the wire balls not the bb version
I use a Daisy Powerline 415 bb gun. I use it to clear the outside of where I am living it shoots at 495 FPS, the problem is you run out of CO2 very quickly. I also have it to keep an eye on it. As a PC tech I use it to dust my computer.
nice comparisons. would you still recommend the walther cp99 sport or have you found something else you like at a similiar level?
Great vibes from this guy good video
Chin,thanks for advice.
Is it ok to use Crossman hunting pointed .177 cal pellets for the pt-85? someone told me that it jams or can break the gun if using pointed pellets. I do not believe these have longer skirts, just a pointed tip.
I saw a Umarex Walther PPK classic special on sale, it comes with a silencer and supposably said to have 538FPS with steel BB
VoidraMusic WTF? The umarex ppk only shoot about a lot 250fps or less. You got scammed? It is the WORSE bb gun built so far, and will break after a few months
hmm must be the seller on the net exaggerating the figures
VoidraMusic
Totally a scam, lol
just bought a Gamo PX107, 15 shot 4.5mm steel bb 409~410 FPS non blow back, with gamo lead coated bb's, not bad for self defense?
I saw a couple more nice models at the gun shop, they're having a huge sale soon, going to buy some more !
VoidraMusic No good for self defense. The gun is way too weak, and the mag is not a practical style for carry. It's a plinkler only. Btw, if you are really looking for a "self defense" air weapon, your best bet is a Tiberius T8.1, not a 4.5mm bb gun
oh... i see
Excellent video brother. Very good points and thinking.
Me when I was 9; I wanna BB Gun for Christmas!! Mother; Dammit, you'll shoot yer eye out!!!!
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🙄no gun 4 YOU😐
I like all the arm chair experts.."yeah but if you shoot the bad guy in the face with a bazooka thats better"..the guy said in the beginning this is a vid about 177 cal pellet guns..as in if this was all you had. a 177 cal pellet in the eye moving at 400 fps is going to stop you dead in your tracks unless you're the terminator. yes there are better options but it'll work!! great vid :-)
I got the walter based on the video, the 380Fps is certainly noticeable. Before I carried my Powerline 426 at 430 fps. Now i'm seeing the Powerline 415 is at 500fps with 21 internal magazine shots. More shots higher FPS lighter projectile BB v Pellet? Yeah Im get the 415 this weekend If its the same length or shorter I think i'd rather go BB for the 100+ FPS and almost 3times the ammo.
When you find out you have the winner-gun 😁🥂 Good video sir!
how about using .177 lead balls ? They are heavier than bb and ball type projectiles will do nasty wounds ( according to some historical records ). On a side note, a ballistic Jelly test will be interesting.
+papaburger It will not work because even with lead balls, the weight is just 8.4gr and .177 cal is way too small. You will be having a lot of energy density which will pinch the target but you will have very low momentum which is in "slug feet per second". Therefore, no matter pellet or lead ball, it will not work and wont stop anyone. You will ouch the target, but not drop them or stop them. Some people get shot by a pellet gun even feel it a few seconds after the shot... it's not a good idea. No ballisitic gel test required because we are not even giving a shit about penetration here. you want "stopping power" for self defense, not penetrate. Even your lead ball can penetrate through flesh, it wont go deep enough to the organs anyway, so it is a waste of time to even test penetration. For stopping power, you need a much greater mass, and that is why I recommend people using this --> ua-cam.com/video/2scuB3B6HwQ/v-deo.html
People don’t seem to understand that pellet or B.B. guns can kill. We’re not encouraging people to deliberately buy pellet or B.B. gun for the soul purpose of self defense. With guns like these, placement and speed is very important factor. Where you hit perpetrator got hit and how fast (penetration) it’s traveling. EYES, NECK, HEART, EARS. I have pellet guns with BBs and pellets in magazines, CO2 also sitting in place but not punctured yet. If so needed, just one twist and I’m good to go. 😂😂
Where can I buy a pellet pistol with 1000 feet per second
Hi, I'm about to buy one of these guns and I can not decide which. I like the M1A1 STEYR DT, by having metal slide and power (about 3.3 joules) is impressive. My other option is Umarex XBG with TAC converter kit that does not have much power but should be very funny besides being able to customize it. The point is that if I find a situation where I have to defend myself from a robbery which of the two I would be more useful? I have to pick just one.
Carlos Martinez see my other comments
You would be better off with a plastic spoon or upgrade to a spork....
I think your video is really good info you get to the point about pellet guns.
andy m. smith Thank you for watching! - and a long vid!
The Gamo Hunter 1250 ITC rifle single shoot gives you 1,545 fps .177. And 1,380 fps .22. That is way high power!!!
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Good video, long but entertaining! I have a 9XP BB gun and I shoot it in the basement, I have a target set up, a circle 5.5 inches in diameter, and I always hit it from about 23 feet away. I think it can be a very deadly gun at point-blank range, which 90% of confrontations and robberies happen. I have carried it a few times. It's also a very loud BB gun too, it gets pretty cold in the basement and that effects the Co2 because my pellet gun is ridiculously loud so if someone tried to do something stupid, I think the loudness of it aside from the shock of getting shot, will definitely scare them off, especially if they are junkie crackheads, their bones are brittle anyway, so I could only imagine the damage a BB gun will do at point-blank range will do!! Come get some crackheads!!!!
Which is the best handgun co2 to buy for home defence ??
Good video! Very good info! I carry a cane and kubotan and a mini slingshot for self defense. I'm still a gun owner and have trained and carried one for years but you can't carry a sidearm everywhere.
I enjoyed your video and information. In future can you do a similar video with a machine gun or fully automatic gun like the p40
I just discovered your video because I am interested in airgun for self defense. You are so funny sometimes ! :-) I like your energy in this video ! :-) You convicted me to avoid blowback effect gun. I have currently a cheap airgun (a Daisy for BB & pellets) but I consider to buy a new one and I think I will chose the same as yours because the criteria you presented are so true !
But as this video is now almost 4 years old. Do you suggest another model ? I know the model you presented is always available on the market, but maybe you discover another good gun which meets the same criteria... :-)
I used to do target pistol shooting competition when I was young, so I think I'd be not too bad to aim if I do again practices. :-)
Pascale Ferrier i feel a very good non blowback pistol is the glock 19 gen 3. Very compact, shoots hard as fuck.
That kid would have probably died from percussive shock to the heart due the pellet impacting his Sternum...The transmitted energy wave disrupting it's normal function....good video by the way.
Thank you for taking the time to explain and demonstrate!
Part 1 of my message: Ok....I have a problem. I just received my new Dan Wesson 2.5in pellet gun on Friday. After close inspection, I found that the cartridge dose not seat at the rear of the frame. The cartridges are the ones where you unscrew the tip, insert the pellet, and screw the tip back on.
I loved the long show lots of fun an informative.
Can a CO2 pistol be stored for long period of time at the ready (CO2 can already pierced), or would the CO2 leak out eventually?
I'm thinking of something for my mom for home defense....I just don't want her to have to fiddle around trying to pierce the CO2 cartridge under stress....unless it is doeable fast from the outside of the pistol where one does not have to take apart the handle in order to pierce/activate it?
I love this guy ! You ROCK DUDE !
One more quick question when you are using a pellet gun does it shoot the pellet faster if you tilt the gun to the side and move it back-and-forth when you’re shooting it
Pretty sure we ALL already know.... it OBVIOUSLY does.
Same as how a VTECH sticker adds 30+ base horsepower to ANY Honda/Acura
Here is the test that I did. With a cartridge in the cylinder, and the barrel pointed at the ground, I would spin the cylinder so the cartridge is at the firing position. I can see daylight between the rear of the cartridge, and the seal at the rear of the frame. With the barrel still pointed at the ground, if I push up on the cylinder, the air gap is gone. Does yours do that? or do I have a faulty gun!
Oh, and BTW. I have .22 bullet in my back, it's been there for 10 years now.. Doc said it is not mandatory to get it out
Hey sir can you do an update on this topic with the Sig P320 and Glock 17 Gen 5 with pellets if you haven’t already?? Thank you, great video
Thank you for your video. I am in Texas. Practically an open carry for be gun. Can you tell me how to remove the warning writing, not etched, off of my Walter PPS? I understand the law, but if anything I want to dull it since a lot of the thought is making it look real to scare away someone for self defense. Thanks for the videos!
Matt Christolear Walther PPS 4.5mm for self defense is no different from using an airsoft gun, don't even try that... unless it's for "scare tactic" only, but the power is totally not enough. PPS is very weak you know.... and there isn't much way to remove the warnings, just paint over it if you like or sand the slide all silver and then re-paint it or re-blue it
Thanks for your response. The next question is a Gamo pt85 for self defense. Thoughts?
Matt Christolear
no good. PT 85 is a blowback gun, and because of blowbck you lack power. The blowback action use a lot of Co2 and also freeze up your co2 big time, which is like using your air for NOTHING in the situation. Said it int he video already, no blowbacks for this kinda thing. Anything blowback is basically stupid in this situation because you want the most power, not realism....not forget the PT85
is not even realistic at all
+Chiinnature Hi and thanks for the video; like your videos very much.
..its good to have these in mind incase we have no choice but to use these pistols...I have a Walther PPS also I like it very much due to its compact style.
I watched your video today and I feel good; because yesterday I ordered already H&K P30 FDE. I like the military-look of such pistols....
And this was one of the pistols you preferred for self-defense....
My pallets are 7,7 grain...I thinks these should be okay...
Regards from Istanbul TR
hye man, love this video, it helps me a lot as i am new to air guns. Whats your thought on the sig p320 pellet gun
It's a nice gun but for what purpose? Don't expect "power" from these (not for defense), and they are more like just another plinkling gun. Realism-wise, it's shit. The problem is the Co2 (1) in the gun to fire the pellets at FAST RATE = disaster in terms of power consistancy. If there are like only 8 shots a clip, the time you change clip allows the Co2 to return back to normal. But with that many shots in a clip, you will be firing fast, and the Co2 will freeze up fast, which means very inconsistent. However, if you shoot slower, it will work too. Just never rapid fire if you want good shots.
@@Chiinnature thank you very much for the information on that, I’m just looking for something for home defence as someone rob my house while I was at home, I was thinking to get the umarex t4e paintball pistol or a pellet pistol for protecting myself. What would be you choice and which gun model will you choose? Thank you very much again
@@Chiinnature whats the best .177 pellet gun now? is it still the cp99?
Estas hecho un campeón!!! Con las GAMO!! Un saludo desde España!!
Great vid, little tip try and write a ''script'' with what you're going to say, so you dont repeat yourself as often, Keep up to good work. Greetings from The Netherlands.
Hi, as you recommend the Walther CP99, what would be your opinion on the Umarex Beretta 92FS or the Colt Government 1911 (basically the same gun internally) for self defense?
As far as I can tell, the Beretta is more powerful; on the downside it is much heavier than the CP99.
Thx.
Sorry, I meant to say Walther PPQ rather than CP99....
they all suck for self defense - first they are weak, and second is they are heavy, and third is only 8 friggin WEAK shots that deliver no stopping power. Not a good idea. The tech side of it is, The springs on the walter and beretta is very much prone to fail soon or later because they get weaked so fast, with some more practice shooting, your hammer gets weak and your double action shooting will really suck and go down in power even more. The colt 1911 really suck, I have 2 and they both fail the same way after some playing, the gun cannot fire anymore due to the hammer issue. The only good one out of the expensive umarex is the revolver, 586 or 686, they stay strong and perform well after torture testing and abuse shooting, and still shoot straight and nice, but still not a self defense option. If you want a real man stopping and close to lethal option, try my all time favorite - ua-cam.com/video/06XtC52K50k/v-deo.html - see the result yourself... no pellet gun can do that (at least not a replica gun)
Thanks. Agreed on the superiority of .68 guns vs. .177.
That said, I am looking into less than lethal concealed carrying, which sort of precludes T8.1 or even TiPX, does it not?
Any thoughts?
ua-cam.com/video/06XtC52K50k/v-deo.html - a proof of power for you. T8.1 tuned maxed power 28-30 joules, shooting 6.2 grams bulls breaker balls, hard as hell, break bones. The TIPX when tuned max cannot even give you a 16j stable performance, forget it, that thing is only good for pepperballs and not for power. The Tippmann TCR is better, 20-24j when tuned to high power, stable performance, but it does get picky with tweakings and barrel upgrades etc. T8.1, T9.1, T4.1 are the only 3 that works for high power shooting at 28-30j mark for stable performance. The BT Dfender works too, but expensive, and hard to tweak to the sweet spot of 28-30j mark. For carry, T8.1 is the only option in the market now, tested so many guns and I don't see any paintball pistol or rifle matching the same power. T8.1 is sold for military as the FN303P for the military to use at 25j settings, but you can really get it up to 30j easily to be honest, just that they are trying to boost sales for the rifle FN303 so they mark the rifle 30j and the pistol 25j to try to make it look like the pistol is weaker lol
Thanks. If the Umarex pistol are not really built for long-term reliability, which CO2 pellet pistol (no revolver) would you recommend? ... should be reasonably powerful, no need for blow-back.
Thx
trying to find the good hand guns that are at 495fps , i got a GAMO P430 but i am not sure if they are really going as fast as what is claimed on the package. have you tested this?
do the H&K p30 shoot pellets and bb's if not where can I find that particular model ?
any idea regarding cz09 airgun, i purchased it but it seems used and co2 cartridge empty in mere 24 rounds but its blowback is so powerful and they claim speed of 490 fps. please suggest does cp99 better than this
when you see blowback, it means NO GOOD for power. the co2 is used in the slide for kicking back, not on the shots you know? and no it does not shoot at 490 fps. You can find many chrono result of that gun online, and it is nowhere near 400
Hi there. Thanks for your fantastic presentation and useful information about everything. I want to ask a very crucial question and I would be happy to receive your response. Is it possible to install co2 capsule in gun and have it for a long time without using the gun? I mean to have a gun ready to use for about 6 month without damaging the o-rings and ....? Or we have to take out or empty the co2 capsule?
Keeping an air pistol for self defence such as a break in and the pistol is stored with the CO2 cartridge loaded for a long period of time, wouldn't the gas leak out slowly over time?
some guns like the cp99 and such are okay to store with co2 for 3+ months. I have tried it already, but then you can always shoot the co2 on the weekend for practice, and then gas it up again for 7 days. No harm,... and no gas will leak out slowly, unless your seals are bad and dried up.
Chiinnature if you want to store for self defense surely you can insert cartridge but not screw up all the way? Then in time of need you take a few seconds to insert cartridge first. Extra time may be bad, but better than having no gas...
which is better bb or pellet for self defense
I have a crosman vigilante revolver. Is it better to aim at the person to scare them off with this gun, or is it powerful enough to shoot them and disarm them?
It is kind of like saying a Motorcycle is much better than a Bicycle, and it is. However, usually a Bicycle totally beats walking.
I bought one and still decided to bring it back cuz they have some serious power especially the ones over 400fps just the sound making you think that's gonna hurt
Best intro ever!