New Pilot CUT UP... by a SPITFIRE
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2023
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Here's us coming into land back at Kemble airfield after another weather curtailed flight and then seeing this. Still can't really believe it.. especially being only my 3rd flight after getting my licence. Definitely one to remember! Hope you enjoy!
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Nice video. Come and say hello to me in Hangar 3, Woodside. I'm the resident engineer for our Spitfires when we operate out of Kemble. Be happy to let you have a closer look. Adam............ PS - Sorry for cutting you up!!!
Woahh we managed to reach all the way over to you! Thank you for your comment and kind invitation!! I'd love to come and have a closer look at some point for sure!! Apology accepted and look forward to meeting you and the bird!! Thanks Adam!
I was once inside an airliner, just another ordinary passenger flight to another ordinary tourist destination. I looked out the window completely at random to see we were a few thousand feet above a pair of Mirages doing air to air refuelling with a tanker. They were flying 90° to our heading and in a blink of an eye we had flown over them. Amazing luck to randomly see that, I bet nobody noticed that but me.
Amazing!! Lucky you got a glimpse of them!
Those old ww2 aircraft will never fail to make me feel so many emotions all at the same time
I think Wolfman said it best in Top Gun during the briefing ;)
I can't have been the only one that said 'tack-a tack-a tack-a tack-a tack-a' when the Spitfire clearly had you in it's sights.
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That would have been quite a fright, especially if you were a monkey.
Spring Chicken to Shiite Hawk in one easy lesson.
"Don't just think. Don't just glance. Look! Search for the bastards!! And never fly in a straight line or else you're a dead duck! Right, let's try again."
One on don’t tell me that going past you did not give you a thrill
I also had a fantastic Spitfire moment when on a solo flight as a student on a very murky day. A Spitfire suddenly appeared and flew past so close I could see the pilots eyes smiling! Unforgetable and a massive privilege 😄
Amazing!! What a memory that is!
WOW I'm Green with envey mate .
I had a similar experience. Flying from Sywell, this was in 1995, we were informed that a ME109 (yes Black 6) was approaching on our port quarter up. And it was in the sun!!
We got goosebumps when we first caught glimpse of the slender shape.
A mere 50 years earlier and that would have been the last silhouette we ever saw!
Amazing what an experience!! Is pretty eerie if you think about it isn't it!
As the saying goes “Beware the hun in the sun”
Your only consolation would have been to think, statistically, he was only going to land 8 times before the badly designed aircraft killed him on landing.
Fifty years before 1995? Nah, because while he might have been pulling in on your six, about _sixty_ RAF and USAAF would be pulling in on _his,_ he'd be too busy bailing out, dying, or surrendering, to think about doing _you_ any harm.
There is a good question I never heard referred to before ( edit to say, I meant, "When was the last german raid into the UK" as the question.
I hit the books, and by books, I mean I signed into the National Archive.
Long story short, The Battle of Britain was bombers with fighter support, but that was all over by June 1941. German air attacks subsequently reduced to ten percent of the average of 1941 for the remaining of the years until mid 1944. After mid 1944 they reduced to isolated single bomber intrusions and photo-recon.
The last major operation, January to May 1944 ,was against Southern England, mainly London and the Ports. It was called Operation Steinbock. The germans committed 474 Bombers, with limited night-fighter escort that did not cross the English coast.
They lose 70% of the aircrews, dead, in 5 months, and had 329 aircraft destroyed. Most aircraft were lost to radar guided Night-fighter interceptions.
Exactly ZERO American fighters defended Britain against it, as they did not have night-fighters that were sufficiently experienced. Night-fighting was given a low priority by the USAAF, because they did not fly raids at night, and the British had been using night-fighters for four years by that point.
However, USAAF fighters did fly in daylight, in protection of their own air-bases in the UK, and of course they were flying escort missions on the continent .
@@ShadowDragon8685
I like to imagine this is the ghost of a RAF pilot who sticks around to make random people's days
haha yes!
It's actually so cool to see that these war birds are still flying even more than 80 years after they were built...
I know right!
That's the thing about machines. If you maintain 'em right, and don't work them to the point they're clapped out, they keep working.
And sometimes, if you design and build 'em right, they can take what similar machines of similar vintage would consider way past "clapped out" and keep on trucking along. The war locomotives for example.
definitely, and this was and is an exceptionally well designed machine. Excellent example of your description =D@@ShadowDragon8685
@@ShadowDragon8685 Quite a lot of the spitfires still flying are new builds from data plate restorations, still amazing to see though.
Many years ago I was “buzzed” by a Mustang after establishing radio contact, when coming in to an airport in country Australia - unbelievable thrilling experience.
Love it, great pub story
Wasn't Archerfield in QLD by chance?
On A check/preflight, when checking aileron hinges, do NOT put your fingers in there, unless you are holding the aileron!
Good point, noted. Especially as it was windy..
Could of had his fingers pinched badly on that faux pas .
Roger !
Ouchey
I didn't even notice 😅
my body squirmed when your fingers went inbetween those ailerons! Stay safe bud!
I once had a formation of three DC3s arrive overheard the airfield while I was turning base and flew directly over my aircraft as we turned final. What a fantastic sight! They landed shortly after us touching down in formation. This was at Moorabbin Airport in Melbourne, Australia.
Yes what a sight indeed!! Bet that's a logbook entry to never forget
Your skillful handling of the go-around and the subsequent successful landing showcased your abilities as a new pilot. The blend of excitement, suspense, and the unique sighting of the Spitfire made this flight truly extraordinary. Thank you for sharing this captivating aviation tale! 🛫✈🔥
I'm thoroughly flattered by your kind words, I hope you enjoyed watching this as much as I enjoyed making it! 😇
I'd make way for the old girl! We had a Tornado fly under us and it was so loud that we could hear it over our own engine and feel it through the floor - something you don't expect in a light aircraft which are already very noisy.
Blimey that's crazy!! We didn't hear a whisper of this one, let alone feel it. What an experience that must have been!!
Lol i can see why its called a Tornado
Had a similar thing happen to me at Biggin Hill with a couple of F15s or F16s. I took off 1st and they were told to keep clear or us and they interpreted that to mean blast past me 1 on either side. Me doing about 75 knots them doing about 200 knots. Apparently they were up for practice maneuvers for an upcoming airshow. It was a bit scary but also very cool.
Nice video by the way.....
Jeeez!! That's actually crazy, I can only imagine the feeling of them shooting past!! Good pub story though haha
200kts ? They must have throttled way back !
Near Allentown , Pennsylvania decades ago Center told me they would put on a little air show for me. I looked where they directed me to and was rewarded with the sight of 4 warbirds in diamond formation going the other way. Oh for a video camera!
Jeeez that would have been amazing!! At least you got the memory of it!
I did my Spitfire flight in TE308 Grey Nurse out of Biggin Hill .. It was an amazing experience and I had Anna Walker as my pilot ... she gave me control as much as possible including me doing a wing over from a dive and climb .. an awesome day out
No way!! That's actually such an amazing experience, lucky man!
Dang, tough wind conditions in ground, it was blowing you all around. What an experience to be around a Spitfire though.
Those are the things you remember and treasure. As a student pilot, I was doing a dual cross country exercise, filed a flight plan through a Restricted area. Under the hood, at 6000 ft, had ATC warn me an F-111 was in the area "operating between zero and 20 000 ft" 😮 . I acknowledged, took the hood off, and he spoke to me direct, asking me to maintain current altitude and heading. I wared him there was another light aircraft in the area I had seen a few minutes earlier, at low altitude, same general heading. I had the thrill of seeing him pass in front of me twice.
As for paying customers, I have 0.25 hr ICUS P-51D, aerobatics, as part of a 50th birthday present to myself, in a dual Mustang that used to fly out of Perth, WA
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Amazing! 2 amazing experiences there that I'm sure will be with you forever, like this will for me! Glad you enjoyed and thanks for the comment!! Happy flying
Those Pig pilots were something else.
I had this happen once , I was head my back to Hawarden and I was low between beeston and peckforton castle when the Bbmf spitfire called up to ask me to maintain heading and altitude
It then flew straight under me
Love this, what an amazing thing to see!! Sounds like your got even closer to you than ours did in this video!
In flying, you do see a lot of different things... A few times near the River Trent, I've had the Red Arrows do that too.
That's awesome! Spits that pass in the flight!
About three years ago, on my very first flight in a glider, I was also overtaken by a Spitfire ! (From Duxford). Sadly, that experience, plus what I later discovered were unusually good soaring conditions, meant I had a bit of a false impression of what glding was about... Never did have another day quite like it during the rest of my training! Well... there was one day when the airtemp was over 30 degrees, and we managed to get to 8000 ft over Cambourne!
Wow that's amazing, especially on your first ever flight!! Yeah I know what you mean, maybe gave you a false sense of what the normal experience is.. Hope you still keep it up and happy safe flying if so!
Maybe 35years ago I had my one and only glider flight out of Duxford. A 'K2' I seem to remember. In those days you just rocked up and took turns when the Uni' club were flying. It was an amazing experience as I too was incredibly lucky with the flying conditions. I was able to take control, diving till the wings shook and pulling up to the point of stalling. I was given a parachute but no instruction as to how to use it. TBH, I think it's primary function was to be a cushion. Good times!
Amazing experience,I’ve never been gliding but would love to give it a go! Sounds like you had a blast
I had a similar experience at Manston while on finals in an AEF Chipmunk. We went wide to allow a Phantom to come in on finals; as a fifteen year old cadet, it was incredible seeing it off of our starboard wing and I'll never forget it. However, we were politely asked by ATC to go wide rather than simply cut up as in your case, still, and experience you won't forget any time soon I doubt.
Amazing, what an experience that must have been! I definitely won't forget this flight as I'm sure yours will stay with you too! 😁
Same kind of thing for me when I was a cadet - only it was a Tornado off to port. I was in Chipmunk WG-308 flying out of RAF Linton-on-Ouse.
Amazing!!
I also had a very similar experience in an AEF Chipmunk, but at RAF Coltishall, although it was with a Jaguar for me and at takeoff rather than finals - we had just taken off from the grass strip parallel to the main runway and the Jaguars (freshly painted in desert pink!) were all departing for the first gulf war. It was incredible seeing one roar up incredibly close beside us then just tear off into the distance, I was glad to hear that all the Jaguars came back unscathed, so hopefully that pilot is still alive and well.
Amazing experience, interesting colour too!!
I had a moment with a Tornado GR4 when flying a Grob 115 up in Scotland, less than 500ft below me passing my left to right. Just remember seeing a strobe in the distance, before actually making out what it was over the water, then tracking it as it passed underneath and seeing it on full afterburner under my right wing heading up towards Lossiemouth. Will never forget that. 😅
@mike_kokuz17 Jeez having a jet around you like is actually crazy, I'd be scared I'm being intercepted 😅
Had this happen with about 2 hrs solo, excerpt it was a clipped wing Mustang passed about 600' off my right wing at about 100 knots faster than I was. It was quite unsettling even though the Tower advised he was passing.
Amazing!! Yeah exactly the same feeling here, as cool as it was, it was yet another thing to have to think about
sorry to be crass, but 'fark yeah'!
In 1981/82, South East Kent, Chattenden Barracks: As an Australian middle aged teen, i remember watching a Spitfire (possibly two), escorting a Lancaster Bomber, heading south from the London airspace.
The Rumble, the sight of those wonderful 'metal' birds, still gives me 'goosebumps' to this day.
Awesome capture fella's.
Cheers for sharing.
Ah you are very welcome, we had an amazing time and the stars perfect’s aligned for us haha! Amazing, what a memory you have too! Glad you enjoyed!! 😀
This time last year I had a flight in a Magni gyrocopter, an hour of bumbling around the skies in south Essex and over the Thames (absolute magic). When we finally came to the end of the flight, on our finals, we heard the pilot behind us cursing and swearing over the air. He'd just been cut off by a Lancaster bomber! I could just about see it a mile or two to the south. I guess he was cruising down the Thames at low altitude (about 500ft) for some event in London.
That does sound amazing, what an experience! Interesting hearing that pilot cursing down the radio haha!!
On final #1 for 24 at Southend, Radio " if we sit here longer glycol gonna cook!" Offered tower a left hand circuit, accepted, as I regained final two Spitfires rolled, one saying "thanks Lima Whisky" [my C150] I watched in awe as theY took flight. My once and only time in the air together. Memories
While not flying, i was up in the Rochdale moors and saw a spitfire flying formation with a lancaster. Beautiful sight and sound to hear on that day
Very cool!
I had the same happen to me in the circuit at Lee-on-Solent. We had a lovely view of him banking past us and dropping the undercart at the same time. As i was in the circuit i was able to extend a little so he was off the runway as I called final. Note for your diary. 2nd and 3rd September Compton Abbas has a Spitfire day so if you fly in there you can have a spot of lunch and enjoy the views and Sounds of the Spitfire doing pleasure flights all day.....I have booked out one of their PA28's to fly in the hope of getting a air to air 🙂
Oh amazing! Dates noted! That will be great if you get another look at them from the air again!
That will be the Aero Legends Spitfire NH341 known as Elizabeth. I flew in her from h
Headcorn 2022 with Parky. Still smilling. That moment when he said " you have control ".....
Me too. The Spits use a left hand circuit on 23 whereas we mere mortals are in the right hand. As I called right base for 23, the Spit called left base 23. I deferred of course and went round. At £6,000 / hour they need priority ! lol
Haha love that, yeah that’s a bit steep for a go around 😅😅
All I can think of is that scene from Battle of Britain where the lad is training and the instructor comes down going: "Takatakatakatakataka"
Hahaha yes!!
That's Grey Nurse out of Biggin! Flew in her over Beachy Head for my 60th. She's a beauty.
Nice video and even nicer surprise!
Love it! Thank you my friend!
Where I live, Ryde on the Isle of Wight, I can sit in my Garden most weekends and watch Spitfires, Flying over, doing Victory Rolls, Loops and High speed runs. You can hear the Merlin Engine, long before seeing the Spit. My Wife, thinks I am mad, as when they Fly Over, I stop what I am doing and just stand there transfixed. What a Plane..........
Love this, best seat in the house by the sound of it
Old Spitty just making its income. That's what we like to see.
@Radictor44 making it's pocket money
Look like that Spitfire was reliving it's glory days.
Yeah!!
A great video and an amazing experience. Thank you for sharing it. I think you definitely passed through the gunsight of that Spitfire! :)
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it!! Yeah I reckon we did! eek!
I agree, probably made that Spitty pilots day!😂
Haha I hope so, would be 1-1 if so
except that these replicas have never had guns or a gunsight.
The Spitfire pilot even sounds cool with the slightly muffled radio
Haha yeah, authentic!!
He was lined up nicely to rake you with .30 calibre 😂👍🏻 nice video 👌🏻😎
Thanks Martin! Yes he would have killed us to death pretty easily
Wow !! A day to remember..
That is the Spitfire I rode in doing the back seat run! Best experience of my life. How awesome to see it in formation!
No way!!! I’d absolutely love to do that
I was flying at Aston downtown that day in an ASK-21, when I saw that spitfire shoot past the north side of the airfield!
Pretty crazy sight isn’t it!
On my bucket list to fly in Spitfire, despite the price !!!
I know what it costs to keep these warbirds flying ✅
oh me too, just far too much money to justify for me.. Great they still get to fly!
They make replicas with GM V8 engines. Still not cheap though
£3k for 30 mins. Seems good value. _Hmmm...! Gets me thinking..._
_"Hey! Where's the missus? Not seen her for some time."_
_"I part exchanged her for a 30 min flight in a Spitfire!"_
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The time to worry is when you hear " daga daga daga"
haha yes we didn't hear that thanks god
There is only one word "awesome ".
fly into Duxford on the day there will be an air show going on, you could encounter a very pleasant surprises.
When we did it several years ago, where so lucky that on left side a Thunderbolt, and on the right side a spitfire MK9 crossed us head on, I will never be forgetting that moment…
@dannyvanstraelen3273 I actually went to Duxford last Monday and once again was asked to hold on a taxiway to let a Spitfire cut in front, the we followed it down the taxiway and did our power checks next to it.. crazy times..
Wow that’s amazing! A story that will stay with you forever!!
wow what amazing luck! nice video, hopefully more soon
I know right and thank you for your kind words! More content in the very near future, stay tuned!!
That was super cool! Thank you for sharing your experience!! :O
My pleasure!! Glad you enjoyed! 🤟
CATCH THOSE JERRY'S!!!
A duel seater with original markings for the 457 SQN RAAF in WW2 Pacific colours. nice video mate, one of the birds my father would have worked on in Moritai
Thank you sir! You do know your stuff!
LOL the Spitfires like that cocky rich owner Lamborghini of the airways hahaa
That's cool!
"Roger That" is Hollywood-style R/T. You won't find it in the CAP 413.
Incredible. What an experience. And probably something Axis pilots last thing they saw back in WW2
@begolatman I know right, glad you enjoyed! Yeah that must have been crazy 😬😬
That would have made my year !! Awesome 😎
It for sure made ours!! So lucky
OMG, so cool. Looks amazing flying. and sounds even better taking off.
Agreed! Such an amazing experience
@@RoutesAbove Nice take off in that wind btw.
Thanks! Was a bit busy wasn't it!
Best experience IV had of spitfires was at duckworth air museum..... experience all been up close to them seeing them been cared for an serviced and also been restored.
Hope you get your wing license chap
@marcobrian1619 oh nice! Not been there yet but will defo have a look! I went to Duxford this weekend gone and it was scattered everywhere with Spitfires! Had to follow one down the taxiway..
Thank you sir! Happy flying!
Hang on to that aileron in the wind! Losing a finger would make for a tough preflight.
Awesome video ❤ thank you
Thank you sir!! Glad you enjoyed 😁
Missed opportunity to say "Achtung Spitfire!"
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Had similar thing flying into Duxford in my dads Cessna 172 for the air show years back. Ended up following in a huge American military transport in to land!
Amazing! What a flight to remember
Dagga Dagga Dagga. :)
Got the kill shot on us didn't he
That would be a treat!!! Wow thanks
It was indeed!! Glad you enjoyed 😊
Tacka tacka tacka tacka tack!
Exactly
I like how the voice says "fuckin' 'ell", but the text says "blimey".
Interesting video, sketchy wx. Good decision making on your part👍😊💜
I must echo another commenter, mind your fingers around ailerons and flaps etc especially when it's windy (some aircraft also have awkward fuel drain offs, both my dad and I have the scars to prove that).
I think, on average, the Spitfires have been there once a month throughout the summer🤔 Also there's been, again, iirc, a Yak there too🤔✌️💜😊
Thanks for sharing 👍😊✌️💜
Thanks! Yeah weather was towards the limit of what I'd go up in at the point. Appreciate the kind words!
Yeah fair point, I did see the other comment. Appreciate the concern, point noted.
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed! Stay safe
@@RoutesAbove Thanks. We still try to pop to Kemble from to time, albeit by road these days. Back in the day the nearest airfields, for flight training, to the Cotswolds and Swindon were; Thruxton, Booker and Kiddlington (I can't recall if Staverton was doing flight training back then). Kemble is a great resource nowadays, so are the local airstrips. Enjoy your flying✌️💜👍😊
Lovely stuff, yeah it’s great round here, loads of great locations are a short flight away (Duxford, Turweston, Welshpool etc). Thank you sir, enjoy yours too 👍
I was not expecting to see 457 Sqn markings! Nice experience.
Well spotted! Yeah was crazy
@@RoutesAbove as an Aussie, the Grey Nurse Sqn is a source of pride. 😁
I can imagine!! Nice work
Nice experience
Nice.
Was overtaken by a close Apache coming to Halfpenny Green from Staverton once.
Had a hedge hopping Hercules call long final from nowhere as I was about to turn base at Tatenhill one quiet afternoon. He touched then cleared off.
Was told by ground to park next to a Spitfire at Staverton but never shared the air with one.
Jealous. 🙂🙂👍👍
That must have been crazy!! Bet they make for amazing pub stories haha! Happy flying my friend
I live in Kent now and often see Spitfires and Hurricanes because we’re not that far from Biggin Hill. I still come running out of the house whenever I heard an old school prop, just to see whether it’s a Spitfire
Haha yeah amazing, always worth checking
Sorry, but that beautiful old war bird stole the show for me. Thanks for posting, your friend from across the pond. New Jersey USA
Thanks chap, glad you enjoyed! Stay tuned for more content!
That view of it sliding its nose across your tail is the last thing a lot of german pilots saw.
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the fact that even after 270k views he still has only 446 subs kind of makes me sad because his content is great and he deserves more subs
🙏🙏 Thanks you for your kind words! Watch this space my friend, lots more content coming very soon!! Peace!
'ACHTUNG. SPITFEUR!'
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Wow i wasn't expecting to see a 457 Sqn RAAF Spitfire done up in the UK.
If Only that twin seater was here.
Yeah well spotted!!
@@RoutesAbove I've seen the Bobby Gibbes painted MkVIII here many times.
I know those markings very well
Keen eye, love it
Memorable !!
Totally!
Very cool, certainly better than running around with your arms out shouting ratatatatat ...😜❤️🇬🇧
You know you messed up when you fly into an airspace so restricted only a mighty Spitfire is able to protect it lol
haha imagine!
What a beautiful aircraft the spitfire is.
I really feel like there was just something so special when these war machines were designed with pencil and paper. You can see the love and pride in the lines of so many of these classic planes and ships from the 20th century!
I wonder why the site of WW2 British aircraft have the tendency to give me an almighty lump in the throat 🤗
3:30 When the subtitles say 'Blimey', but the Pilot clearly says "Fuck'in Hell!". Yeah, okay... 😂
haha 😅😅
Thanks for the upload.
That spitfire deserved it's own sound track - what a beauty!
BTW, great weather awareness & planning 👍
Thank you so much! Really glad you enjoyed it! Was great fun to fly and make. Yeah not taking any risks! 😅
What a treat
Allot of RAF chaps will fly the spirit of the sky.
From your experience he were practicing his dog fighting skills 😅😂😅
It looked like it didn’t it!! Was an amazing experience
Love the subtitles compared to actual chat😂😂👍
I had the same thing happen while shopping in lidl's,
Oh sorry sorry, it was a fire pit......( for the garden )
there was a spitfire flying up and down the beach in Eastbourne the week before the airshow, was pretty cool to be walking along the beach while it went overhead
Yeah the sound is what does it for me
There is one that flies over Eastbourne a lot, it is nice to hear overhead.
Outstanding day.
No doubt!!
Brilliant what an experience
Damn right
Looked like a really busy landing !!
Yeah was quite windy, 12knts ish but fortunately wasn't too much of a crosswind
@@RoutesAbove One of the most shocking things I found transitioning from decades of simulator flying was that I was trying to correct everything rather than just letting the plane do its own thing once it was trimmed, but then I watch that battle you had with the landing and realise that sometimes that battle is real lol........I have only done the one flight in a 152 in super heavy winds, was a great experience tho, he let me fly pretty much from take off to finals which was cool.
Yeah it becomes a bit of a balance really, I do fall foul of over correcting sometimes and making things messier than they could have been.. all experience at the end of the day. Good that you recognise that as you mentioned above! Happy flying my friend
"Three thousand pounds for 30 minutes"! Bloody hell! I knew I was in the wrong line of work! Flying with a Spitfire now that would've been quite a sight especially a dual seater as they really are in the minority!
I know it’s crazy money!! Yeah I thought it still looks pretty cool!
What an experience 👍
I know right! We are lucky chaps
Spitfires are my all time favourite plane
Same
Spitfires giving pleasure flights is a very common sight for people flying around Goodwood, or indeed any of their other bases, like Northampton.
So good that they stay in operation like this!
Formidable experience
I know right!
The spitfire was just beautiful, she looks like shes in mint condition.
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Damn modern flying regs in the 40s you'd be able to buzz him on the runway for that hehe and get a nod in the bar after tower chewing you out 😂
Hhahaha how times have changed
Good landing by the way in those gusty conditions
Thanks! You can see me concentrating hard haha
Spitfire on your tail ??- Lucky you weren't flying an ME109 ... LOL ;)
*gulp*
If you could see any plane up close like this, what would it be? Still can't believe this happened on my second outing as a private pilot!! Enjoy!
Concorde / DC-3 / Spitfire / Harvard in that order.
Basically any ww2 plane, be it fighter or bomber. But my favorite would definitely be the 'timber terror' Dehavilland Mosquito. Nice experience for you, something you don't see every day.
Tough one, I would go for a Dornier Do X, or the SR-71.
@@frodeskibrek oh cracking shout with the Concorde
@@phunkeehone Yeah very good suggestion, very rare
Love kemble. I flew in G-TOES once
I did a lot on my training in that plane! Kimble’s great isn’t it