Great demonstration. 90% of lc owners sadly don't know that it works. Combine this with airing down and it's deadly. Also the fastest setting works the best.
Thanks mate. For sure, it's definitely a system worth becoming familiar with though! Agreed, low tyres pressures and this crawl control system and this vehicles does not bog easily!
Again an absolutely fantastic, informative, well structured, instructional video. The LC 200 is an incredibly capable machine. Please keep up your great work.
@@XploringOz does that thing have low range.??..if so,try that,to get out of sand,,works for thousands of non toyota drivers.!!..mate was bogged in sand in his 200,never used crawl,but he found the diff lock buttons..some people just cant read..so people buy these things because its toyota,& know absolutely nothing about the vehicle or 4x4 ing.. sad..
@@phantomwalker8251 Ok mate. Unfortunately times have changed since the simple locked and low range gearboxes. These vehicles are a little more technologically advance and for those who are just getting into 4WD'ing can be overwhelmed by the amount of electronics and series in which they are required to be used for maximum efficiency. Each to their own, however these videos seem to receive an overall positive response from the majority of viewers. PS. the LC200 doesn't come from factory with lockers, hence the focus on electronic systems...
I just love listening to the beast while you’re trying to bog it!!😂, I appreciate the time and effort you put into these vids- saves people experimenting while actually bogged 👌👍
Thanks for all these nerdy, highly focused videos. I love my 200 Series, and you’ve allowed me to learn so much more about it! I just wish we had the diesel option in the US. :-)
the temperatures that it was sitting at, after the car was pulled out of the bog are completly fine for such a stress test, most of the people one here have no idea about automatic transmission, great test and what a great system
For sure, I am happy with the temperature range after the tests. Even with the temps briefly reaching 150 degrees will not cause damage. It's when the oil remains at these extremes for extended periods of time we should start to get worried, or at least increase the maintenance. Thanks, Nathan.
Hi Nathan thank you for another grouse video. I have a VX big step up from my old 80 series. Ur videos are teaching me so much. So well presented too! U really do nail ur videos.
Cheers mate! Glad to hear they are helping you out. There's a lot to learn on these electronic modern diesels but it becomes second nature after a little while. All the best with the new VX. Cheers.
Thanks for the great video. I live in California and have a 2014 LC200. I don't really get a chance to get out as often as I would like and really learn the systems. Having your info makes it so much easier to understand the capabilities and potentially what settings I should use. Thanks again and keep it up!
Thanks mate, I'm glad to hear that these videos are helping people all over the world. I agree that these systems can be a little overwhelming when unknown, however with a little practice and hands on experimenting they do become easy to use and super helpful on the tracks and trails. Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks Nath. Your vid gives me that little bit of extra confidence to take it to places where I would not usually consider. The overheating is a bit of a concern but it is able to be managed.
Thanks mate 👍 yes, the temperatures need monitoring but the higher speed test in this instance has no issues. The temps were still within spec and seemed to remain lower for longer. Definitely worth some sort of gauge like an Ultragauge to monitor.
These high transmission temps are exactly the reason why I installed a fan with manual override switch on my transmission cooler. Works great when driving at low speeds off road.
These videos are super helpful for a new 200 owner like myself, coming from a Ute that didn't have the bells and whistles left me scratching my head with all the new functions. Cheers mate
I recently replaced the stock transmission cooler with a larger aftermarket transmission cooler on a 2013 US LC200 that I use for overland/towing. First thing I noticed was that the transmission pan and TC temp remained at 180F (82C) to 212F (100C) after the install. Which was the same as stock. I monitored the temp via the OBD port with OBDLinkMx+. Initially I thought I had installed the transmission cooler incorrectly but then it dawned on me that the AB60F (6 speed) transmission has a built in thermostat that I had to bypass when I serviced the ATF (per the service manual). This thermostat kept the ATF warm until it reaches a certain temp (maybe 180F or higher) before allowing the ATF to go the the transmission cooler. I bypassed the thermostat (with a safety wire) and now my ATF pan temp/TC temp is ~40F (22C) cooler. Even when towing my 2 ton trailer, I barely hit 212F (100C). I suspect the thermostat is also present in the 8 speed LC200. If I live in a colder region, I probably would not bypass the thermostat in order to warm up the ATF. However Australia, Middle East, and western US have pretty hot seasons hence I decided to bypass the transmission thermostat.
That's interesting to hear and good to know. I've never had a problem with overheating transmissions since fitting a Stocklock torque converter lock. This keeps the transmission temps down when pulling heavy loads on the highway. This is the first time that I've had these alerts come up. Saying this, I wouldn't ordinarily use the system at these speeds in these conditions. Cheers, Nathan.
Another good demo - I've not found the crawl method very useful when bogged while towing (1.6t camper) but will have another crack with higher speed based on this vid ;-)
Thanks mate. Yeah, having an additional 'dead' load attached to the vehicle would definitely make it alot harder. I guess it would be worth a try with the crawl control first to see how it reacts before pulling out the shovels and recovery gear.
Great Vid! Thanks. I’m new to the 200, I’d love to see a vid on various sand settings. Eg: hard sand, do you ever use 4H with center diff what speed is low range ok to get up to? Go to settings/gear choice for dune climbs etc. Use D or manual and which gears. Also how to engage, which buttons to press etc. Enjoy watching! Thanks
Thanks mate, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Well, good news, on this trip I filmed a video just for this. I can't confirm when it will be released at this stage (hopefully within the month). However the video goes through some of the settings and rationale behind these choices for sand driving. These cruisers are full of electronics and it takes some practice and navigational skills to master them, but when you do, these vehicle are almost unstoppable. Cheers, Nathan.
Great vid Nathan, cheers mate. Got myself out of two sandy bogs the last couple of days. Thanks to your how to videos. Love that crawl control. Used sand setting and speed 5. Your Cruiser is sounding awesome. 👍
Keep getting the same comments on my videos, "just turn on crawl control". I've found that the tranny overheats before you will ever get out. The sand around me can get 65C in the summer and most vehicles will overheat if they stay bogged for long with the engine running. Looks like your sand was significantly cooler.
Very informative Nathan. Can you let us know how much deflation on the tyres you used and what you would recommend for standard AT tyres in the same situation? Also, would you get the same results in the test using standard tyres, viz a viz speed selection on th crawl control. Good work! Graham
Thanks! So I deflated the tyres to about 18PSI for this test. I could of gone lower, down around the 10PSI if it was really bogged, however at those pressures we need to be careful not to roll the tyre of the rim. Not to mention I needed the tyres a little harder just to get bogged in the first place for testing. Definitely recommend AT tyres for a good all-rounder. Anything more aggressive, like a mud terrain will actually be detrimental in sand. The more aggressive the tyre, the more that dig deeper into the sand. The best styled tyre for sand is highway terrain type patterns, with close tread blocks. The negative with these tyres is that the construction is generally inferior to AT tyres that use a 'light truck' construction with thick sidewalls. These heavier, stronger tyres are strongly recommended for rock, gravel and other harsh outback terrain. In conclusion, the AT tyre really is one of the best all round tyres for general Australian conditions. Further, yes, the testing would have been almost identical with factory sized tyres.
Great video. My 2007 doesn’t have the crawl control function, just the downhill assist, so it’s out with the Maxtrax and a shovel. Nonetheless, the car is very capable and can get out of most situations. I’m going on a tagalong tour along the beaches from Bremer Bay to Albany for a few days so will be interested on the various other methods of extraction that will be utilised on that. 👍
For sure they are super capable vehicle! With the V8 power and lowered tyre pressures I think you will do well! Good luck with your trip, I'm sure you will love it.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it. To be honest I haven't driven the higher spec Prado's so I can't comment on these systems. I know that the GXL variants don't come equiped with this system. Cheers, Nathan.
Cheers mate, I was running about 20PSI on this test. Obviously I could have gone lower, but kept them the same for both tests (and I needed to actually get stuck...) Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks mate 👍 It would definitely be something I could look at in the future. Being an independent channel, I pay for all these items myself and it does come at a cost. Hopefully one day I’ll be in a good position to do so 👍
@@richard4136 I would have to check, but this cruiser is a MY13, which I believe was made from 2012 onwards. I think some of the early modes had them as well, maybe only VX and Sahara?
Thanks Nathan. I agree with your comments on transmission temperatures. Torque converters have come a long way since earlier days of automatic transmissions, as has transmission fluid. Both can operate at much higher temperatures than their equivalents previously could. Can you recommend a service interval for changing transmission fluid for vehicles used for towing and/or sand driving?
Thanks Pete, glad you enjoyed the video. So transmission fluid changes would depend on how the vehicle has been used. If it’s relatively standard and hasn’t towed too much Toyota claim that it doesn’t have to be changed at all. If the vehicle is modified and used for heavy duty applications it would hurt to get it checked over. I’ve replaced mine recently at 100k kms after installing the lock up kit 👍
Thanks so much for all your vids. Have just picked up our new LC200 and can’t wait to hit the tracks and try out some of your tips. Also your videos helped so much with our build, I’ve used your lighting tips as inspiration and the dusting issue tips as well. My question as someone who beach launches boats, do you think crawl control would work in that scenario with a small boat trailer/light camper trailer attached? Or just asking too much :)
Hey mate, thanks for your feedback, glad to hear that you are enjoying the content. The crawl control will definitely work with a trailer attached, although it might be a slow way to exit from the launch. It would definitely be something to test however just keep an eye out on the those transmissions temps, they'll be the first to overheat if it is too much. All the best with your new vehicle, hopefully we'll see you out there someday.
Thanks mate, yep sure is the Garmin Overlander. I'm still working my way around it yet, GPS technology is not my strongest point, but I will endeavour to create a review video down the track. Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz sweet mate, I’m not 100% how it works but never really researched it. On another subject, what size pelican case have you got for your roof rack, the link in your roof rack vid doesn’t work. I’m looking for one for my camper, to store the canvas awning/walls etc. just haven’t found a good size yet.
@@tallica8145 Yeah, I've got an idea how I might be able to demonstrate it with my vehicle, but still working on it. Sorry about the link, it should be fixed up now - ebay.us/aoAXt0 Cheers, Nathan.
Hey mate, so negative, I don't have a transmission cooler on this vehicle. I do have the lockup kit which will prevent high temps for prolonged periods on the highway. The oil is able to reach these temperatures in a temporary state for brief periods of time. This will not have much effect on the oil quality, it's when the oil remains at these temps it can degrade quite quickly. Given that I only got to these temps for two short tests I won't be changing the oil at this stage. PS. I only had the oil changed about 5000km as well, so it's fresh stuff to start with.
@@XploringOz hey at105 varnish forms at 115 seals harden at 146 seals and clutches start to burn dont let your servicing dealer see this video you might not get e free fix
Was it the steering or running on slower speed that got out the bog quicker? My guess, prior to video, was as slow as possible with the wheels continuously turning would be best.
Yes, a think a few people would of had that thought, however this testing shows otherwise. I think it would depend heavily on the type of situation you find yourself in.
Thanks for posting, I have encountered this over heating alarm before in my 200 series using the hill decent control on some serious down hill steep shit. its definitely not trans over heating, as theres no load, it appears its the brakes due to the ABS hammering on and off. Have you tried/encountered this your self on decent? Curious to know. Glen.
Is there a realistic difference between toyota crawl control and say a dual locked patrol just holding engine at 1000rpm in the low box 1st gear? Clearly there are many technological differences but isn't the key just keeping all wheels spinning at the same medium speed?
This would be an interesting test to conduct. I can't comment, however the overall method of crawl control does seem to keep the tyres spinning at the same rate, therefore theoretically it would work. Be great if someone had this vehicle and could test it out
Cheers mate. Haha, I know what you mean, they don't get bogged often!! At least you know when you do, you have a good chance at getting out with this awesome system!
Greeting from Switzerland! Really enjoy your videos. Here's a loaded question: I'm torn between a Hilux or a Land Cruiser (4--door or 2-door) as the base vehicle for my Overlander; What considerations would you have in choosing between one or the other?
Thanks mate, I'm glad you are enjoying the video. I guess the choice will come down to how you are planning on using the vehicle, where you plan on taking it and personal preference. Personally, I enjoy wagon styled vehicles. They are (generally) shorter wheel base, making them a little more capable off-road, they keep all your gear clean dry and locked away and generally have coil springs, again a little more suited to off-roading. The Hilux though is an awesome vehicle. They are still reliable and capable and will generally be able to carry more gear and can be easier to pack and load the gear with the utility configuration. For me, it's always going to be a cruiser, but the Hilux will definitely suit the needs of many people.
Never needed them with this system. Although I completely understand the benefit from them, a system like this from Toyota has saved me thousands of $$$ by not having to purchase them. Given that this vehicle is mainly a tourer and not an extreme off-roader, it probably isn't quite necessary. Cheers, Nathan.
Potentially, unfortunately snow driving is something I know nothing about, so not ashamed to say I can't provide any advice in that regards. Cheers, Nathan.
Hey Nathan, as always.. nice and very informative content! One question, does CC apply the brakes when a wheel starts spinning too fast? Is that the reason the car vibrated while using CC? Cheers mate🤙
Yes, that’s correct. As wheels start spinning the TC system will ‘grab’ the wheel with the brakes in attempt to send power to the other wheel. Sometimes in low traction surfaces, like sand, it will start to shudder due to the continuation of the system activating.
Hey mate, so the snorkel is a Safari ARMAX 4" snorkel for the 4.5L V8 diesel. I don't have a video for this, but I do have a video for the Donaldson Pre-snorkel filter on top. ua-cam.com/video/SOx9nExaorU/v-deo.html Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks mate, glad you have found the video useful. So no, I haven't re-geared the cruiser. The tyres are only a few inches larger than standard, although it potentially could help, not something I've looked at yet. I use the Ultragauge MX1.4 to monitor engine data. Works very well and would highly recommend. Cheers, Nathan.
@@matthewlopez398 Awesome mate! I'm sure you will enjoy it, it's a great little device. So I don't believe it can read EGT temps on the pre-facelift 200 series (like my one), but I have heard it may be able to on the newer models. I can provide much information on the newer ones, but the forums might be able to help out a little. I'll hopefully be installing a dual EGT monitor in my 200 in the next few months and will do a video on the installation. Good luck.
So diff lockers will provide another level of traction. They are also going to have a little more control at slow speed, won't require braking of the wheels and potentially a little easier on the vehicle in terms of stresses placed on the CV's etc. The only negative would be the cost and labour required to have them fitted. Although they are great, this crawl control system is one of the best on the market from a factory vehicle. It can eliminate the need to buy lockers, depending on your type of off-roading. Cheers, Nathan.
Great to see crawl control in action, an amazing piece of technological wizardry that you can extract from boggings like that. Wonder how many LC200 owners have done the hard yards digging and laying tracks before trying crawl control :). Did you have the tyres very low? Can’t wait to experiment with it in my new GXL. Will definitely be the first thing I’ll try before digging or dragging the winch out.
For sure, I love this system, probably my favourite electronic feature on this vehicle. I genuinely haven't had to manually dig from a sand bog to date with this vehicle. The tyres were about 18PSI. Obviously I could have gone lower, however I wouldn't of got bogged in the first place...
I was using crawl control in sand bog last week and encountered A/T trans oil temp red alert and crawl control stopped. I was afraid of that will cause mechanism hazard so hesitate to use crawl control in sand bog again... any advice on this situation? Appreciated.
Sure, so I believe that if this system is engaged for too long it will cause the transmission temperatures to exceed their safe value, therefore stop the vehicle. If you were using a faster speed on the crawl control and it still wasn't coming out of the bog by itself, I would suggest maybe lowering tyre pressures, digging for sand or adding in traction aids to assist the vehicle. The over temperature alerts will not cause permanent damage to the vehicle as they are implement at that temperature to avoid this. Thanks, Nathan.
For sure, so I was using about 18PSI for this test. Obviously I could have gone much lower, however I needed this pressure to get bogged in the first place for the purpose of testing. Thanks, Nathan.
I know I get stuck in snow all of the time and craw control won't get me out!! MaxTrax and a shovel are my friend in deep snow. I run Toyo MT's with lots of tread. I'd probably do a bit better if I ran studded snow tires. Crawl Control usually works for me in mud as long as I don't get the body bogged down.
so your showing people what the instruction manual tells you anyway..are people that buy a 100k 4x4,illiterate.. any 4x4 with low range lsd,s or lockers,does this. if the trani was any good,it wouldnt over heat,then you wait 1 hr for it to cool down.. manufacturing defect,,like the front end..$1000. per injector,,nice....have you found the starter motor yet. ??..
I'm guessing you don't own a Toyota Landcruiser 200 series? Each to their own and I appreciate everyone has their own personal preference, however I believe these types of responses is what is causing the degradation of the car/4WD'ing community. Where are the days where anyone could modify, customise and use their own vehicle in whichever way they wanted to without the systematic and constant criticism from those who would never use that particular vehicle. I appreciate that your views may be different, however respect those who have different views from yourself. If everyone was the same, there wouldn't be a 4WD market full of differing brands, types and styles of customisable options. We all use our vehicle differently. We are all at different levels of 4WD understanding. Without the wealth of knowledge and user feedback available in today's world, innovation and improvement would be significantly delayed.
The Patrols are great cars, but not sure about the rest of the comments. Vehicle sales comparison between these 2 vehicles globally show different findings and I know which one I prefer 👍
Great demonstration. 90% of lc owners sadly don't know that it works. Combine this with airing down and it's deadly. Also the fastest setting works the best.
Thanks mate. For sure, it's definitely a system worth becoming familiar with though! Agreed, low tyres pressures and this crawl control system and this vehicles does not bog easily!
Again an absolutely fantastic, informative, well structured, instructional video. The LC 200 is an incredibly capable machine. Please keep up your great work.
Thanks Stuart, I appreciate the feedback it extremely encouraging!
Cheers, Nathan.
One of the most informative 4x4 channel on youtube. learning so much!
Thanks mate, I really appreciate that. Glad you are enjoying the channel.
Cheers, Nathan.
join a club,,you learn more..
@@XploringOz does that thing have low range.??..if so,try that,to get out of sand,,works for thousands of non toyota drivers.!!..mate was bogged in sand in his 200,never used crawl,but he found the diff lock buttons..some people just cant read..so people buy these things because its toyota,& know absolutely nothing about the vehicle or 4x4 ing.. sad..
@@phantomwalker8251 Ok mate. Unfortunately times have changed since the simple locked and low range gearboxes. These vehicles are a little more technologically advance and for those who are just getting into 4WD'ing can be overwhelmed by the amount of electronics and series in which they are required to be used for maximum efficiency. Each to their own, however these videos seem to receive an overall positive response from the majority of viewers.
PS. the LC200 doesn't come from factory with lockers, hence the focus on electronic systems...
I just love listening to the beast while you’re trying to bog it!!😂, I appreciate the time and effort you put into these vids- saves people experimenting while actually bogged 👌👍
Haha, how good does it sound now! I love the new exhaust system. Thanks for the comments mate, I appreciate it.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks for all these nerdy, highly focused videos. I love my 200 Series, and you’ve allowed me to learn so much more about it! I just wish we had the diesel option in the US. :-)
Thanks mate, appreciate the comment 👍
Glad the videos are helpful. It’s disappointing you guys don’t get this awesome engine 😔
Thanks for another great video Nathan, I really appreciate that I don’t have to work out all this stuff from scratch! Cheers, Tim
Cheers mate, glad it could help 👍
the temperatures that it was sitting at, after the car was pulled out of the bog are completly fine for such a stress test, most of the people one here have no idea about automatic transmission, great test and what a great system
For sure, I am happy with the temperature range after the tests. Even with the temps briefly reaching 150 degrees will not cause damage. It's when the oil remains at these extremes for extended periods of time we should start to get worried, or at least increase the maintenance.
Thanks, Nathan.
Thank you for your advice , spent a week on fraser and my LC 200 "stock" and 18psi had no issues going all over the island and inskip point
Awesome mate 👍 Always a good trip when you don't spend hours digging out of bogs.
Very helpful to watch, I have a Lexus GX460 with CC here in California- pretty much a LC Prado with a 4.6 V8.
Thanks Nathan. Superb analysis and advice for us LC200 drivers - as always! Love your work. Very much appreciated.
Thanks mate, appreciate the comments.
TOYOTA LANDCRUISER ❤️ BEST OFFROAD EVER 👍🏻
Agreed!
Hi Nathan thank you for another grouse video. I have a VX big step up from my old 80 series. Ur videos are teaching me so much. So well presented too! U really do nail ur videos.
Cheers mate! Glad to hear they are helping you out. There's a lot to learn on these electronic modern diesels but it becomes second nature after a little while. All the best with the new VX.
Cheers.
I’m new to the land cruiser and 4WD love your work
Thanks mate, hopefully you will be able to pick up some useful information here on this channel.
Cheers, Nathan.
Just bought a 2010 200 series Sahara, and I'm finding your content very informative. Thanks 👍
Awesome, thanks mate. Great to hear its helping people out 👍 🙏
Thanks for the great video. I live in California and have a 2014 LC200. I don't really get a chance to get out as often as I would like and really learn the systems. Having your info makes it so much easier to understand the capabilities and potentially what settings I should use. Thanks again and keep it up!
Thanks mate, I'm glad to hear that these videos are helping people all over the world. I agree that these systems can be a little overwhelming when unknown, however with a little practice and hands on experimenting they do become easy to use and super helpful on the tracks and trails.
Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks Nath. Your vid gives me that little bit of extra confidence to take it to places where I would not usually consider. The overheating is a bit of a concern but it is able to be managed.
Fit an external auto trans cooler, will help alot.
Thanks mate 👍 yes, the temperatures need monitoring but the higher speed test in this instance has no issues. The temps were still within spec and seemed to remain lower for longer. Definitely worth some sort of gauge like an Ultragauge to monitor.
These high transmission temps are exactly the reason why I installed a fan with manual override switch on my transmission cooler. Works great when driving at low speeds off road.
Good idea, this would definitely help in these particular conditions.
Excellent demo on the Landcruiser's ability
They sure are awesome and very capable vehicles!
Awesome video no doubt. Question how are you monitoring the torque converter temps?
The brakes would be loving that!
Only doing what they are designed to do 👍
These videos are super helpful for a new 200 owner like myself, coming from a Ute that didn't have the bells and whistles left me scratching my head with all the new functions. Cheers mate
Cheers mate, glad to hear they are helping. Hopefully some of these tips will help out on your next 4x4 trip.
Cheers, Nathan.
I recently replaced the stock transmission cooler with a larger aftermarket transmission cooler on a 2013 US LC200 that I use for overland/towing. First thing I noticed was that the transmission pan and TC temp remained at 180F (82C) to 212F (100C) after the install. Which was the same as stock. I monitored the temp via the OBD port with OBDLinkMx+.
Initially I thought I had installed the transmission cooler incorrectly but then it dawned on me that the AB60F (6 speed) transmission has a built in thermostat that I had to bypass when I serviced the ATF (per the service manual). This thermostat kept the ATF warm until it reaches a certain temp (maybe 180F or higher) before allowing the ATF to go the the transmission cooler. I bypassed the thermostat (with a safety wire) and now my ATF pan temp/TC temp is ~40F (22C) cooler. Even when towing my 2 ton trailer, I barely hit 212F (100C). I suspect the thermostat is also present in the 8 speed LC200.
If I live in a colder region, I probably would not bypass the thermostat in order to warm up the ATF. However Australia, Middle East, and western US have pretty hot seasons hence I decided to bypass the transmission thermostat.
That's interesting to hear and good to know.
I've never had a problem with overheating transmissions since fitting a Stocklock torque converter lock. This keeps the transmission temps down when pulling heavy loads on the highway. This is the first time that I've had these alerts come up. Saying this, I wouldn't ordinarily use the system at these speeds in these conditions.
Cheers, Nathan.
Another good demo - I've not found the crawl method very useful when bogged while towing (1.6t camper) but will have another crack with higher speed based on this vid ;-)
Thanks mate. Yeah, having an additional 'dead' load attached to the vehicle would definitely make it alot harder. I guess it would be worth a try with the crawl control first to see how it reacts before pulling out the shovels and recovery gear.
Another outstanding demonstration
Well done Nathan
Cheers mate 👍
Great Vid! Thanks. I’m new to the 200, I’d love to see a vid on various sand settings. Eg: hard sand, do you ever use 4H with center diff what speed is low range ok to get up to? Go to settings/gear choice for dune climbs etc. Use D or manual and which gears. Also how to engage, which buttons to press etc. Enjoy watching! Thanks
Thanks mate, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Well, good news, on this trip I filmed a video just for this. I can't confirm when it will be released at this stage (hopefully within the month). However the video goes through some of the settings and rationale behind these choices for sand driving. These cruisers are full of electronics and it takes some practice and navigational skills to master them, but when you do, these vehicle are almost unstoppable.
Cheers, Nathan.
The LC is an animal, thank you for sharing this info (and previous videos).
Sure is, no problems. Thanks mate.
Mate well done on all your content. Extremely effective videos. Keep it up
Cheers mate, appreciate it 👍
Crawl control plus maxtraxx will make the recovery super easy. Might not even need to dig the traxx in.
Sure, a combination like this would make this vehicle almost stoppable 👍
Great vid Nathan, cheers mate. Got myself out of two sandy bogs the last couple of days. Thanks to your how to videos. Love that crawl control. Used sand setting and speed 5. Your Cruiser is sounding awesome. 👍
Awesome, great to hear! How good is this crawl control system!? I’m loving it. Thanks mate 👍
Great review mate. Thankyou very much. I didn’t know exactly how it worked either, now I do. Great system. Keep these great practical reviews coming👍
Cheers mate, glad it was helpful!
Cheers, Nathan.
Excellent I had never seen the crawl control used before so was very interesting for me . Keep up the good videos 👍
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it 👍
Man. You are so good at explaining things. Great video. Thanks.
Cheers mate, appreciate that. Glad you enjoyed it.
Keep getting the same comments on my videos, "just turn on crawl control". I've found that the tranny overheats before you will ever get out. The sand around me can get 65C in the summer and most vehicles will overheat if they stay bogged for long with the engine running. Looks like your sand was significantly cooler.
My Prado Manual says to watch the temperature of the ABS brake controller when using Crawl Control too.
For sure, this would be helpful, however you would have to have specific equipment to do this.
That was really useful, and clearly explained. Thank you
Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback. Glad this could help.
Cheers, Nathan.
Hello, how can we get out of the sand without crawl control? I have lc200, but it doesn't have crawl control
Thanks alot
Very informative Nathan. Can you let us know how much deflation on the tyres you used and what you would recommend for standard AT tyres in the same situation? Also, would you get the same results in the test using standard tyres, viz a viz speed selection on th crawl control. Good work! Graham
Thanks! So I deflated the tyres to about 18PSI for this test. I could of gone lower, down around the 10PSI if it was really bogged, however at those pressures we need to be careful not to roll the tyre of the rim. Not to mention I needed the tyres a little harder just to get bogged in the first place for testing.
Definitely recommend AT tyres for a good all-rounder. Anything more aggressive, like a mud terrain will actually be detrimental in sand. The more aggressive the tyre, the more that dig deeper into the sand. The best styled tyre for sand is highway terrain type patterns, with close tread blocks. The negative with these tyres is that the construction is generally inferior to AT tyres that use a 'light truck' construction with thick sidewalls. These heavier, stronger tyres are strongly recommended for rock, gravel and other harsh outback terrain. In conclusion, the AT tyre really is one of the best all round tyres for general Australian conditions.
Further, yes, the testing would have been almost identical with factory sized tyres.
@@XploringOz Very good and professional advice! This may be interesting to you as information. ua-cam.com/video/Hp-Mcs2TgfU/v-deo.html
Great video. My 2007 doesn’t have the crawl control function, just the downhill assist, so it’s out with the Maxtrax and a shovel. Nonetheless, the car is very capable and can get out of most situations. I’m going on a tagalong tour along the beaches from Bremer Bay to Albany for a few days so will be interested on the various other methods of extraction that will be utilised on that. 👍
For sure they are super capable vehicle!
With the V8 power and lowered tyre pressures I think you will do well!
Good luck with your trip, I'm sure you will love it.
Nice work mate, does the Prado crawl work the same way?
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it. To be honest I haven't driven the higher spec Prado's so I can't comment on these systems. I know that the GXL variants don't come equiped with this system.
Cheers, Nathan.
Hey mate great video just wondering this work in Reverse as well?
Hey mate, yes it does. The system will work in the same way in reverse 👍
Great review and information as usual 👍🏽
Thanks mate.
Good vid mate, keep them coming! I'm purchasing a 200 soon and interested on the best mods I can make without voiding the warranty.
Cheers mate, glad you are enjoying the content 👍
Superb video. Very informative. Keep them coming! 👍🏼
Thanks mate, appreciate it 👍
Giving the temperature without reference isn’t useful. What would be to hot and does the car compensate and protect itself from it?
?? The reference would be the overheating alarm would it not? The fact that it went into limp mode and stopped driving is it’s compensation.
Mate, great vid! Very informative. What was the tire pressure?
Cheers mate, I was running about 20PSI on this test. Obviously I could have gone lower, but kept them the same for both tests (and I needed to actually get stuck...)
Cheers, Nathan.
Superb channel here Mate :)
Any chance you can try water to air vs air to air intercoolers?
Thanks mate 👍
It would definitely be something I could look at in the future.
Being an independent channel, I pay for all these items myself and it does come at a cost. Hopefully one day I’ll be in a good position to do so 👍
Makes me want to update my cruiser for a later model with this fitted.
Haha, I reckon it would be worth, I genuinely haven't ever had to dig my LC200 from a sand bog to date. Love it!
Do you know from which year model it was fitted?
@@richard4136 I would have to check, but this cruiser is a MY13, which I believe was made from 2012 onwards.
I think some of the early modes had them as well, maybe only VX and Sahara?
@@XploringOz ok thanks
@@richard4136 I have it in my 2008 model
Great videos. Is ur car petrol or diesel? I just picked up a 2011 petrol gxl last week so will checkout your videos. Cheers. Peter.
Thats awesome. Our's is 4.5L diesel. All the best with the new vehicle 👍
Thanks Nathan. I agree with your comments on transmission temperatures. Torque converters have come a long way since earlier days of automatic transmissions, as has transmission fluid. Both can operate at much higher temperatures than their equivalents previously could.
Can you recommend a service interval for changing transmission fluid for vehicles used for towing and/or sand driving?
Thanks Pete, glad you enjoyed the video. So transmission fluid changes would depend on how the vehicle has been used. If it’s relatively standard and hasn’t towed too much Toyota claim that it doesn’t have to be changed at all.
If the vehicle is modified and used for heavy duty applications it would hurt to get it checked over.
I’ve replaced mine recently at 100k kms after installing the lock up kit 👍
Thanks very much for your reply Nathan, and for the excellent videos you’re producing.
Cheers.
@@petep7410 Thanks mate, appreciate that.
Will the crawl control system work in reverse. There could be a scenario where you can't go forward and have to recover in reverse?
Thanks so much for all your vids. Have just picked up our new LC200 and can’t wait to hit the tracks and try out some of your tips. Also your videos helped so much with our build, I’ve used your lighting tips as inspiration and the dusting issue tips as well. My question as someone who beach launches boats, do you think crawl control would work in that scenario with a small boat trailer/light camper trailer attached? Or just asking too much :)
Hey mate, thanks for your feedback, glad to hear that you are enjoying the content.
The crawl control will definitely work with a trailer attached, although it might be a slow way to exit from the launch. It would definitely be something to test however just keep an eye out on the those transmissions temps, they'll be the first to overheat if it is too much.
All the best with your new vehicle, hopefully we'll see you out there someday.
Good video, is that a Garmin Overlander navigation unit? Any good? Have you done a video on this?
Thanks mate, yep sure is the Garmin Overlander.
I'm still working my way around it yet, GPS technology is not my strongest point, but I will endeavour to create a review video down the track.
Cheers, Nathan.
Nathan, do a vid on the KDSS system.
Definitely on my list mate, just trying to find the time 👍
@@XploringOz sweet mate, I’m not 100% how it works but never really researched it.
On another subject, what size pelican case have you got for your roof rack, the link in your roof rack vid doesn’t work. I’m looking for one for my camper, to store the canvas awning/walls etc. just haven’t found a good size yet.
@@tallica8145 Yeah, I've got an idea how I might be able to demonstrate it with my vehicle, but still working on it.
Sorry about the link, it should be fixed up now - ebay.us/aoAXt0
Cheers, Nathan.
Cheers mate
Do you have an extra trans cooler fitted?
I'm guessing you changed the transmission fluid after it getting to 150C!
Hey mate, so negative, I don't have a transmission cooler on this vehicle. I do have the lockup kit which will prevent high temps for prolonged periods on the highway.
The oil is able to reach these temperatures in a temporary state for brief periods of time. This will not have much effect on the oil quality, it's when the oil remains at these temps it can degrade quite quickly. Given that I only got to these temps for two short tests I won't be changing the oil at this stage. PS. I only had the oil changed about 5000km as well, so it's fresh stuff to start with.
@@XploringOz hey at105 varnish forms at 115 seals harden at 146 seals and clutches start to burn
dont let your servicing dealer see this video you might not get e free fix
Fantastic content. Did you turn the vehicle off to cool down? Or just idle?
Thanks mate 👍
So I just let the vehicle cool down, still idling.
It comes down almost straight away no problems.
Wow what a great video
Thanks mate, appreciate it 👍
Was it the steering or running on slower speed that got out the bog quicker?
My guess, prior to video, was as slow as possible with the wheels continuously turning would be best.
Yes, a think a few people would of had that thought, however this testing shows otherwise. I think it would depend heavily on the type of situation you find yourself in.
Thanks for posting, I have encountered this over heating alarm before in my 200 series using the hill decent control on some serious down hill steep shit. its definitely not trans over heating, as theres no load, it appears its the brakes due to the ABS hammering on and off. Have you tried/encountered this your self on decent? Curious to know. Glen.
King landcruisers best car ever made hands down
They are awesome pieces of engineering!
thats amazing
Love my 4runner
For sure, some great engineering going on here.
Is there a realistic difference between toyota crawl control and say a dual locked patrol just holding engine at 1000rpm in the low box 1st gear? Clearly there are many technological differences but isn't the key just keeping all wheels spinning at the same medium speed?
This would be an interesting test to conduct. I can't comment, however the overall method of crawl control does seem to keep the tyres spinning at the same rate, therefore theoretically it would work. Be great if someone had this vehicle and could test it out
It still blows my mind how this car can get itself out of a bog.
For sure, it’s an awesome system 👍
Great video mate.
Cheers mate.
Good clip mate, I have yet to get our 200 bogged lol. Cheers Steve
Cheers mate. Haha, I know what you mean, they don't get bogged often!!
At least you know when you do, you have a good chance at getting out with this awesome system!
Greeting from Switzerland! Really enjoy your videos. Here's a loaded question: I'm torn between a Hilux or a Land Cruiser (4--door or 2-door) as the base vehicle for my Overlander; What considerations would you have in choosing between one or the other?
Thanks mate, I'm glad you are enjoying the video. I guess the choice will come down to how you are planning on using the vehicle, where you plan on taking it and personal preference.
Personally, I enjoy wagon styled vehicles. They are (generally) shorter wheel base, making them a little more capable off-road, they keep all your gear clean dry and locked away and generally have coil springs, again a little more suited to off-roading.
The Hilux though is an awesome vehicle. They are still reliable and capable and will generally be able to carry more gear and can be easier to pack and load the gear with the utility configuration.
For me, it's always going to be a cruiser, but the Hilux will definitely suit the needs of many people.
You ever thought about getting diff locks?
Never needed them with this system. Although I completely understand the benefit from them, a system like this from Toyota has saved me thousands of $$$ by not having to purchase them.
Given that this vehicle is mainly a tourer and not an extreme off-roader, it probably isn't quite necessary.
Cheers, Nathan.
wondering if low speed crawl control would work better in snow (where its cvold anyway)? i find slower wheel spin helps in heavy snow.
Potentially, unfortunately snow driving is something I know nothing about, so not ashamed to say I can't provide any advice in that regards.
Cheers, Nathan.
Hey Nathan, as always.. nice and very informative content! One question, does CC apply the brakes when a wheel starts spinning too fast? Is that the reason the car vibrated while using CC? Cheers mate🤙
Yes, that’s correct. As wheels start spinning the TC system will ‘grab’ the wheel with the brakes in attempt to send power to the other wheel. Sometimes in low traction surfaces, like sand, it will start to shudder due to the continuation of the system activating.
@@XploringOz ok clear! Thanks mate🤙
hi do you have a video for the snorkel or what is the model? could you share?
Hey mate, so the snorkel is a Safari ARMAX 4" snorkel for the 4.5L V8 diesel. I don't have a video for this, but I do have a video for the Donaldson Pre-snorkel filter on top. ua-cam.com/video/SOx9nExaorU/v-deo.html
Cheers, Nathan.
Thanks mate, good video!
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it.
Back in the day are crawl control was foot on the break
For sure, times have change just a bit. All still works well
Hi. Just checked out your videos. Very helpful content. Did you re gear your 200? And what do you use to monitor your temps. Safe trails!
Thanks mate, glad you have found the video useful. So no, I haven't re-geared the cruiser. The tyres are only a few inches larger than standard, although it potentially could help, not something I've looked at yet.
I use the Ultragauge MX1.4 to monitor engine data. Works very well and would highly recommend.
Cheers, Nathan.
@@XploringOz Just got my utlra gauge mate. can it read EGT temp on our 200s? ty just a bit excited but will start installing it on the weekend
@@matthewlopez398 Awesome mate! I'm sure you will enjoy it, it's a great little device. So I don't believe it can read EGT temps on the pre-facelift 200 series (like my one), but I have heard it may be able to on the newer models. I can provide much information on the newer ones, but the forums might be able to help out a little.
I'll hopefully be installing a dual EGT monitor in my 200 in the next few months and will do a video on the installation.
Good luck.
@@XploringOz mine is a face-lifted version but has no egt readings. But its ok mate thanks👍🏽
Nathan, how would crawl control compare with diff lockers?
So diff lockers will provide another level of traction. They are also going to have a little more control at slow speed, won't require braking of the wheels and potentially a little easier on the vehicle in terms of stresses placed on the CV's etc. The only negative would be the cost and labour required to have them fitted.
Although they are great, this crawl control system is one of the best on the market from a factory vehicle. It can eliminate the need to buy lockers, depending on your type of off-roading.
Cheers, Nathan.
I want to see how it works in mud or snow
Don't get too much snow around these parts, but if I get the opportunity to try it out in mud, I'll give it a go.
Cheers, Nathan.
I'm surprised it got out while it was completely beached.
For sure, this is certainly a great piece of engineering!
2002 model yes or no
This is a 2014 model 👍
Very useful ....thanks
Thanks mate 👍
Great to see crawl control in action, an amazing piece of technological wizardry that you can extract from boggings like that. Wonder how many LC200 owners have done the hard yards digging and laying tracks before trying crawl control :). Did you have the tyres very low? Can’t wait to experiment with it in my new GXL. Will definitely be the first thing I’ll try before digging or dragging the winch out.
For sure, I love this system, probably my favourite electronic feature on this vehicle. I genuinely haven't had to manually dig from a sand bog to date with this vehicle.
The tyres were about 18PSI. Obviously I could have gone lower, however I wouldn't of got bogged in the first place...
Good information!!🤩
Thanks mate.
I was using crawl control in sand bog last week and encountered A/T trans oil temp red alert and crawl control stopped. I was afraid of that will cause mechanism hazard so hesitate to use crawl control in sand bog again... any advice on this situation? Appreciated.
Sure, so I believe that if this system is engaged for too long it will cause the transmission temperatures to exceed their safe value, therefore stop the vehicle. If you were using a faster speed on the crawl control and it still wasn't coming out of the bog by itself, I would suggest maybe lowering tyre pressures, digging for sand or adding in traction aids to assist the vehicle.
The over temperature alerts will not cause permanent damage to the vehicle as they are implement at that temperature to avoid this.
Thanks, Nathan.
Nathan @XploringOz may I ask what was your tyres pressure were?
For sure, so I was using about 18PSI for this test. Obviously I could have gone much lower, however I needed this pressure to get bogged in the first place for the purpose of testing.
Thanks, Nathan.
Good video, 👍👍
Thanks mate, appreciate it.
I wonder how it would go in mud?
Good question. This will be another excuse to go out and get bogged, all in the name of testing...
I know I get stuck in snow all of the time and craw control won't get me out!! MaxTrax and a shovel are my friend in deep snow. I run Toyo MT's with lots of tread. I'd probably do a bit better if I ran studded snow tires.
Crawl Control usually works for me in mud as long as I don't get the body bogged down.
@@rameylewis7730 Might not be a perfect system, however when it works it seems to work well.
@@XploringOz I agree and thank you for making the video.
Only use it in the snow.
Haha, not really an option we have here in Australia.
good stuff!
Cheers mate.
Reminder to self .... do not take my vehicle onto sand without Nathan in passenger seat .... or better still, let him drive 🤣🤣
Haha 😂
It becomes a lot quicker and more familiar with practice and ongoing use.
All the best with yours mate 👍
You keep getting bogged. You need a 76 series mate 👍
Haha, yeah. Some people think all I need is intercooler fans...
moral of the story.....don't drive in soft sand
Not much of an option in Western Australia if you want to go 4WD’ing.
@@XploringOz fair enough
It just doesn't look fun
More fun than having to dig out by hand
so your showing people what the instruction manual tells you anyway..are people that buy a 100k 4x4,illiterate.. any 4x4 with low range lsd,s or lockers,does this. if the trani was any good,it wouldnt over heat,then you wait 1 hr for it to cool down.. manufacturing defect,,like the front end..$1000. per injector,,nice....have you found the starter motor yet. ??..
I'm guessing you don't own a Toyota Landcruiser 200 series?
Each to their own and I appreciate everyone has their own personal preference, however I believe these types of responses is what is causing the degradation of the car/4WD'ing community. Where are the days where anyone could modify, customise and use their own vehicle in whichever way they wanted to without the systematic and constant criticism from those who would never use that particular vehicle.
I appreciate that your views may be different, however respect those who have different views from yourself. If everyone was the same, there wouldn't be a 4WD market full of differing brands, types and styles of customisable options.
We all use our vehicle differently. We are all at different levels of 4WD understanding. Without the wealth of knowledge and user feedback available in today's world, innovation and improvement would be significantly delayed.
Solution . Trade it in on a V8 TI Patrol. These Toyota’s are overrated, overpriced pieces of sh!t. Surprised to didn’t break an axle or something.
The Patrols are great cars, but not sure about the rest of the comments. Vehicle sales comparison between these 2 vehicles globally show different findings and I know which one I prefer 👍