How the Flux is responsible for the 60th Anniversary Specials
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- The 60th anniversary of Doctor Who is finally here with The Star Beast and Wild Blue Yonder being released by this point. With the recent episode, Wild Blue Yonder, we got a mention of the flux, the key factor in the events of the previous doctor who series. In this video I will be discussing the possibility of it being the cause of not just that series but the 60th anniversary specials as well.
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Just a bit of lore on The Toymaker: he’s actually a guardian of time (like the black and white guardian), he’s the guardian of dream and fantasy. His own universe is called the celestial toy room and he’s fought against the doctor multiple times in comics and audio books (big finish audio books are on par of “canon” as the show), the last time we saw him his universe was dying (he can always make another one) but the 12th doctor decided to help him and took a part of the tardis and made that his new toy room, he did this cause the Toymaker is terrified of leaving it and wants to have the ability to just do as he pleases and although he has the power to change the entire multiverse (he’s an omniversal being) he isnt allowed to as it’s against the cosmic order.
He brings people in to his toy room simply cause he’s so old that he needs some form of entertainment.
Damn thats detailed. I did not take any external media into account but if thats all official “canon” it definitely changes my theory but it could still kind of play out similarly. Thats good to know though, helpful for this coming episode to know his abilities.
So kind of like 'The Sandman' ?
@@TheLaneDW yes he has had many encounters with the doctor over the years, I’m pretty sure all extended media is classed as canon but kinda works more like head canon but I do know for a fact that big finish audio books are 100% just as canon as the show.
he’s actually one of the most powerful beings in the entire whoniverse. Him being a guardian of time means he is responsible for keeping the cosmic order (he’s essential to the existence of everything not just a universe or a multiverse, literally everything just like the rest of the guardians. There’s not many beings that are more powerful in the whoniverse so I’m guessing that’s why he’s the big bad for the last special.........I do think some of the things u where saying are correct tho like the doctor already being in the toyroom. This might be a more sophisticated game of his where’s he’s recreated the doctors universe 1 for 1, he easily has the power to do that. I honestly can’t wait.
@@CaptApril123 ye his main purpose is a lot like the sandman in some ways, it’s a bit different in the grander picture but ye essentially.
Succinctly put. Bravo.
My theory with the toymaker is he is quite possibly the being in Gallifrian folklore known as the other. It is well documented previous writers of classic who actually wanted him to be a Timelord which would make alot of sense
I would love for him to be a timelord honestly. Having one other than the master would be cool as I dont think we have has that in new who yet. I dont know much about this “other” but ill have to have a look into it.
The Toymaker was originally going to be a Time Lord, but back then they hadn't really decided what a Time Lord was going to be, originally the Doctor was going to be a human from the far future. The Other was allegedly The Doctor from the future, or the Doctor was The Other who kept reincarnating every time he run out of regenerations, because there was and will always be a Doctor. But thats no longer canon, so pffffff.
They started laying the groundwork for the Doctor being the Other at the end of the seventh doctor's run, though it was cancelled before that was established. I think here they might go the other way and say that the Doctor is from wherever the Toymaker is from. It isn't established where the timeless child was originally from yet, so I think it's that part of it that they might tie in here.
@@judecieffe6769 I also read that the Doctor is the reincarnation of the Stranger who yeeted himself into the looms. Honestly canon changes so much that in around ten years it'll get changed again, who knows, Who Nose as the Curator said.
@@judecieffe6769 see i like that idea while i love a mystery i think having the toymaker and doctor the same original species is a brilliant direction and does also add alot more mystery to it than it does answer which I’m all for
Oooh ... I hadn't considered that the ship they end up on in "Wild Blue Yonder" is on the edge OF WHAT'S LEFT of the universe. Like, someone went out there to find out what happened or explore, because I have to imagine that no one else really knows anything about the Flux. They just know that stars are gone.
I saw it as that but I like your idea that they are searching that deep. I did not consider that but thats a great thought.
@@TheLaneDW Could be that. Could also be that this ship just happened to be stationed on what ended up being that edge. Could even be why the Captain went out there. So many possibilities.
Interesting ideas, I certainly feel like the superstition line had some mavity. Watch your sound levels btw, the clips are about half the volume of you, it’s like trying to watch a Hollywood action movie! ;)
I thought I made them loud enough. I literally had them maxed out. Ill have make sure its perfect for future videos , thanks for letting me know👍
@@TheLaneDW Perfect is a long way off... I had you at 97% and then couldn't hear David. Didn't make it past 2:30. 😡
@@jimg5669 those clips were only short parts though. Its annoying I know, im sorry. The audio was very quiet and this was the highest I could get it.
The Blue universe is Universe A, the main universe.
The 2 fake Doctor and Donna are from The black void in the middle.
The Golden Universe is where the Doctor came from originally as a little girl.
Side note: does the Division use the Void ship that was used as a prison ship for Daleks ?
2:34 I believe that that like was meant to be interpreted as saying that the not-things are from the void beyond all universes, because… they literally aren’t things. Alternate universes should still have a concept of mass and object permanence, which the not-things don’t have
Maybe, I mean you would assume that yes. I guess after seeing all the multiverse stuff in media i was thinking more the lines of that where the universes can be completely different.
the only thing that makes me not like this idea is having wilfs last ever scene not be real. that just makes me sad. i mean its good. i love your thinking. but wilf though.
Yes that does suck. But it would be a horrible situation for the doctor and donna. If when they came back they treat it as if the character died like Bernard Cribbins. Its a hard area to cover but even if it doesn’t pan out like this, im sure RTD has a plan thats good
@@TheLaneDW i think so too. i was honestly more exited for rtd back than david to be honest. 10th doctor was the best yes but to bring tennant back feels a bit too cheating for views. idk. but afater a failed run proving 13 is an unlucky number, bringing the full cast and crew from peak era was only option. along with bad wolf studios creative control and funding. ive seen other reviews not being fans of these new episodes either. first episode was alright but i adored wild blue wonder. gave me a subnatuica / minecraft far lands feel to it. not so much parrallel universe but youre just so far out to the edge that the laws of physics themselves start to break down and weird occurances like concepts being able to manifest. and yeah i think the monsters are literally just concepts.
It is so great honestly. I 100% agree with you.@@cernolgluestick5561
This COMPLETELY makes sense to me 😮
Oh by the way, The Meeps boss, is The Rani. She created the Looms and Rassillon took credit. Meep is one of the First Loom born like Alan Moores Special Executive and Marvel Comics Technet, beings born or created with 4D sense and powers yet non humanoids. They too faced the Vampire in the First Time war.
The Rani is a BioEngineer. Rassillon was not. He most likely rewrote all their memories of their successes and took credit. A totally Rassillon thing to do
I had no idea of this. I know who these charactwrs are but have not watched enough classic or extended media. I do know people have wanted the rani to return in the modern era so it would be a cool thing.
@@TheLaneDW Fifty Points, if you realized the child that killed The Timeless Child the first time, was the Master as a kid.
I theorise the Entity 'Time' was the celestial Time, that I heard about, the sister of the celestial Toymaker. I never watched Jody Whittaker past the frog thing in season one, just clips, but that's a guess.
That could be a good idea. Someone else commented on this video about the extended media and the sister of the celestial toymaker could be a cool connection
Nice theory dude
Thanks 👍, glad you liked it.
I assumed it was a reality storm or alternate Universe, created by the Tardis Fleeing The Toy Maker, since the Tardis alive it may be able to see that the ToyMaker is the Doctor's Father ... Aka the Adversary, rhe Celestial Entropy Guardian God ...
That's why the TARDIS grew larger inside so the Doctor, even with it's healing circuits and defenses that can level a galaxy, would survive and emergency stop of defensive evasive entry in a euclidean tunnel. It was protecting him.
Funny, if Wilf is the ToyMakers former Companion
Also, The Timeless child, was the world he lost at the Boundary, and the great vampire was his many forms to get his kid back.... Repeatedly we see the Chaos being bound... It's the doctors father
Damn i totally skipped the Flux season 😆
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Now it would be nice to see a universe where all new Time Lord race, wasnt like the isolationist Zen Fascist Time Lords we know .. something far more alien than what we know
Could be cool
@@TheLaneDW always wanted to see the specials as Nostalgia and the seasons as New territory for development
From what I have seen, the BBC and Disney have reallt fluxed up Doctor Who
I see what you did there, I dont agree, but I see what you did.
The way i understood it was this, every time in doctor who when the doctor says hes been to the edge of the universe or end of the universe our outside the universe or anything like that, you can always see our universe, like in flux, they sre inbetween universes but you can see the light from them still, but the doctor in wild blue yonder said that they were so far beyond the unverse that the light hasnt even reached there yet, they arent at the edge of the universe, in my head they are in the space beyond the edge of the universe, but so far out that they cant see the light from any other universe, let alone our own
Also, while I like your theory, there's one gripe I have with it, the monsters in wild blue yonder talk about moving through "no space" and passing "no time" I feel like that slightly discredits the idea of them being from another universe, rather than them being from the void of nothing, however I do really think that him invoking the superstition, and him changing Isaac newton's discovery, and even davros and the Daleks, its almost as if the toy maker will be conjured Purley from thee chaos brought on by these things
That is a fair point. I think if you say they are from the void the rest of theory still stands. But yea I like your idea about the “edge of the universe” thing. It is always very ambiguous.
@TheDWLane yeah the rest of your theory does still stand and I'm pretty on board with it, but yeah my favourite part of those monsters was that they are literally nothing and are from nowhere until they have something to latch on to, it reminds me of legion from red dwarf If you've seen that!
@@jamielavender236 I have not watched that but it is definitely a creepy concept
Heres the thing. I dont think toymaker is from that universe, and heres why:
“The eternals have their games, the guardians have their power struggles, for me…this dimension…is a beautiful board for a game. The Toymaker would approve.” Hard to believe this was an unintentional coincidence back in jodies era but this could explain the dynamic between the other worldly beings and The Trickster’s pantheon of discourse.
The other reason why I think the Toymaker is from our universe is cuz of what many people have pointed out was discussed back in hartnel’s era, that the toymaker was originally a timelord. However since this isnt valid evidence let me introduce a perspective:
If the timeless child is canon, i think it explains something else. Back in Old who during the trial of the timelords, the master was given the opportunity for a full life pardon, a new regeneration cycle. Where was this brought back up? The Eleventh Doctor. He was given a new cycle at the very tail end of that era. From there lets count the amount of regenerations:
12, 13, 14. 3 so far right? Well now there’s a 4th coming up. So if this is true, the timeless child can be both canon and not canon at the same time. As they can dictate whether or not the doctor has 12 NEW regenerations or more. Which means there could be 16 (5), 17 (6), 18 (7), 19 (8), 20 (9), 21 (10), 22 (11), 23 (12). Which means at any point in tbe far future they can declare canon or not canon that the timeless child was actually the doctor or that the doctor was related to it in some way.
I did not remember that line from Jodie’s, in my rewatch im about to start series 11 though. I have not watched enough classic who yet but I have heard about that serial. It would make the most sense if the toymaker was from our universe and also a timelord. Im sure whatever/whomever he is will be cool but I kind of think having him be from outside the universe it could increase the stakes as his power will un imaginable. Less than 24hrs until we fond out though 😁.
@@TheLaneDWfair.
@@TheLaneDW The other thing is. Throughout the eras of the doctor why is it that immortal beings were intrigued by and gravitated to the doctor? As said in jodi’s era immortals have to witness the ENTIRETY of time itself, the toymaker is immortal, yet of all the characters he plays games with he frequently goes after the doctor. Which suggests that the toymaker maybe linked for eternity as well.
The Timeless Child and the Flux were always great ideas that can bring so more into the show mythos. We just need the right writers to deal with them.
Im hoping that can be RTD to get it on the right track as soon as possible. I do enjoy the idea myself they just werent explored enough and or they weren’t perfectly planned. Will be cool to see what comes soon.
Also, you lot are now becoming REALLY annoying!
@@richardfraser5162 Boo Hoo!
@@1funkyflyguy have l annoyed widdle diddums then?
@@TheLaneDW I'd like an explanation for the Fugitive Doctor (Jo Martin).. TBH I just want to see Jo Martin again, she did a better job as the Doctor than Jodi
Great theory! (It's super hard to hear your sound though.)
I have had another comment about the audio. Seemed fine in the edit but I may have overlooked some parts. Thanks for letting me know 👍. I will double check in the future. Glad you liked the theory though.
Well, hopefully it's the other way around, and the toymaker has caused the flux, or rather made the doctor think there was a flux etc. but it was all artificial. The sort of game the tournament loves to play.
That way we get to disappear any of the crap and the plot holes Chinball left behind.
Will RTD do it? I dunno, but I sure hope so.
That could be an equally good explanation. I dont mind how they do it but I think connecting it somehow to relate to his face change would be good.
The cause of the Flux is already pretty clear. It was created by Tecteun and the Division to get rid of the Doctor and her universe
Don't they say that they're from OUTSIDE THE Universe?
I tool that as outside “our universe”. If humans cant comprehend going to the edge of this one, I couldnt imagine him bringing other universes into conversation
maybe the flux and the toymaker story are connected
Maybe? 🤨
Welp you were dead wrong
I was 😂. Its fun guessing though
Chibnall era caused all of this. Made them absolutely shit themselves and as a last throw of the dice go and get back the original writer who can actually showrun.
Just a shame he's friends with the weakling and won't drop his potentially show ending awful nonsense.
It’s only bad because he didn’t utilise it well. Evolving is part of the show. Not every decision is everyones cup of tea but change is inevitable and keeps it fresh. The ideas ehe had were cool but the execution wasn’t great. I am hoping that RTD can adapt the ideas into something great.
@@TheLaneDW sorry you'll never convince me the timeless child is anything other than the worst thing to ever happen to this show. He ripped the heart and soul out of Doctor Who and I was still okay with that because nothing is irredeemable in Doctor Who. Then he did that. I find it offensive.
I hate Chris Chibnall
A lot of people do. I am hoping RTD can adapt his ideas to be more accepted
Don’t care anymore.
Why are you still watching doctor who videos then? You must care a little bit 🤌
@@TheLaneDW It came up in my UA-cam feed, because I used to be a fan, and cared, and so previously subscribed to multiple Doctor Who related channels; but being only freshly disillusioned and somewhat lazy, I haven’t yet gone through the rigmarole of unsubscribing from all those channels. But believe me…I will be doing. I am sorry though-if things were different with Dr Who-I would stay subscribed to your channel-I like your commentary and you seem like a nice guy.
@@steveroberts9757 thats completely fair.
The problem is that at the moment it's hard to get past the woke nonsense everyone is (rightly) talking about. RTD has a lot to answer for.
I personally dont think its that bad. Especially in wild blue yonder. Nothing blatant in that one. And even in the star beast its like 3 minutes maximum of a 1 hour special.
I care more about RTD being a better writer than Chibnall than I do the woke stuff. At least he's a true believer and not just some hack cashing in on the cultural zeitgeist. Woke Doctor Who will end if and when Wokeness does, and if it doesn't end you'll probably be so acclimated to it that you won't care anymore :) (it prolly will end somehow though, it doesn't seem like a sustainable movement personally).
You lot are just being dramatic crybabies. Who cares. It was one episode, and in the 2nd episode Newton being mixed race is just 45 seconds. There’s actual things to worry about in life, you know.
100%, every "woke" issue people have is such a small proportion of the content that im so confused out how it causes that big an issue@@RosieOleanderDallinger
@@venmis137 Interesting perspective.
Yeah non of this trash is canon.
After the giggle, probably not. But its fun guessing