Top 10 Greatest Pitchers of All Time
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
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UA-cam made me trim out Greg Maddux at number 6.
Bob Gibson. Man. Love this guy. He hit a batter in an old-timers game for something that happened 10 years prior. Look that story up.
A top 10 with a closer and no Greg Maddux is inexcusable, idc that UA-cam removed it or whatever put him on the darn list.
?? I said he was on the list. Not my fault youtube wants to annoying. And mariano belongs on the list idc what anyone says he was so dominant for so long and he was elite in the postseason.
I agree with the closer thing....Maddux, wasn't really a money pitcher....11-14, slightly higher E.R.A.....one WS, with all those Braves teams of the 90's....I'll pass on Maddux as my go to guy in a big game.....Nolan Ryan, I'll also pass on for the big game.....I'll go with Schilling, Pedro, Johnson, Seaver....Maddux, would make my top 100 pitchers, and be between 90-100!!
Here is my top 14 so I will include another member of the top ten. And I will put in where I put other members whose membership in the top ten is inexcusable.
PEAK-5 ROTC GOAT
SCORE
1. Walter Johnson 395 388 783
2. Lefty Grove 379 392 771
3. Roger Clemens 368 395 763
4. Randy Johnson 381 378 759
5. Cy Young 371 384 755
6. Pedro Martinez 380 371 751
7. Pete Alexander 377 372 749
8. Tom Seaver 350 376 726
9. Kid Nichols 340 383 723
10. Greg Maddux 367 351 718
11. Christy Mathewson 366 346 712
12. Curt Schilling 349 361 710
13. Clayton Kershaw 344 349 693
14. Bob Gibson 362 322 684
65. Sandy Koufax 355 125 480
66. Ron Guidry 250 229 479
66. Mark Buehrle 155 324 479
68. Eddie Cicotte 276 202 478
69. Noodles Hahn 312 165 477
70. Nolan Ryan 163 313 476
Now even here there are a couple older guys, but Young and Nichols were the first "modern pitchers." And their entire careers are in context The rating for peak is based on a long formula for the five years. Notice Koufax's peak is rated very high and Ryan's very low by these standard and then vice-versa.. Nolan Koufax would have been about 15th and filled the next spot.
Also, I am not a purist. I do not simply count only innings pitched as a starter, but I would not put a pure reliever in the top ten. It suffices to say that Mariano Rivera was the greatest relief pitcher in MLB history and thus the GOAT of that herd.
Greg Maddux, belongs on no top ten lists...
@@tedsilversyeager840he is in the hall of fame and there are only 84 pitchers in the hall of fame.
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Great video, man, keep up the great work!🎉
Thanks for showing a pic of Maddux!
Wow not a mention of Steve Carlton. Maybe he didn`t make your list but at least an honorable mention?
Agreed, Lefty, like many of his era threw over 300 innings a couple times, led the league in innings pitched 5 times, played for sh!t phillies teams his first few years after his trade from Cards, won over 300 games, could hit, field, and finish the game.....Dave Parker, would shake in his cleats knowing Lefty's slider was coming....oh, and I think he won 4 Cy awards?? In 72, he won 27 games out of the phillies 59 wins.....that's incredible, actually....and completed 30 games, yes, completed 30 games....nowadays, if the superstar pitcher makes it to 200 IP, it's lauded as something special......phew......
Good list
Not really....
Missing Christy Mathewson, Lefty Grove, and Satchel Paige. Also, Nolan Ryan is credited with a save in the 1969 World Series with the Mets. He most definitely has a ring.
Satchel Page? You kidding?
Exactly, this is a decent list with a couple horrible flaws. Grove is the worst omission.. Most serious: experts always the Grove very high, but that is people who know what the are doing. He had nine ERA titles and nine ERA+ titles as well as 300 wins and he is the only pitcher in modern history post 1920) to have two five year peaks above a 40 WAR (1929-33 and 1935-1939. The 12 pitchers who had WARS over 40 for five years since 1920 besides Grove are Bob Feller (1939-47), Hal Newhouser (1944-48), Robin Roberts (1950-54, Sandy Koufax (1962-66), Bob Gibson (1968-72), Tom Seaver (1971-75), Phil lNiekro (1974-78), Roger Clemens (1986-90), Greg Maddux (1992-1996, Pedro Martinez (1992-96). Randy Johnson (1998-2002)
Oh Nolan Ryan's best five year peak between 1973-77 was 27.5, was 60th best of the post 1920 era. By these standards Ryan is a joke. He belongs in the HOF for his unique accomplishments but he is no more the G.O.A.T than I am.
And Satchel Paige was amazing, In 474 innings in the MLB he had a 10.2 WAR and showed dominance when he helpedthe Cleveland Indians win the 1948 World Series. He MLB career spanned 42-47 with and exhibition when he was 59. He is most deserving .
It had an extreme contemporary or recency biais
Whitey Ford.
Great video my guy. I would have to disagree with number 1 even though you hold a point. I would give that title to no other than… Satchel Paige. The man pitched into his 50’s and was Dominating. Completely amazing!
Great take. Satchel Paige is a legend!
@@thebaseballcenter Satchel Paige is a sentimental pick for obvious reasons. He makes no ones' list except for the PC crowd. He won, according to unreliable stats, 124 games, and his 162 average W/L record is just that, average......judge him on his merit, not by the color of his skin, and anecdotal stories...he was dominant to the point of having a losing record at the MLB level 28-31....so the "great take Satchel Paige is a legend" is just that, a legend!
@@tedsilversyeager840 Satchel Paige ha a 124 ERA+ and a 10/2 WAR in 474 innings form ages 42-47. IN his first two staarts with the 1948 cleveland Kindians he shut out the Chcago White Sox twice. You are right about the terrible record keeping in the NeL, But it was not his fault, nd it was not his fault that major league teams and moronic executives like Judge Ladis kep the NeL players like Paige out. HIw 28-31 record was because he pitched for the St ouis Browns, the worst team in baseball.
Nolan Ryan won the World Series with the Mets
Wow, no Greg Maddux Maddux’s top five
Walter Johnson, and Cy Young, should be on the deadball era list.....this guy is guessing about how good they were, no video, etc.....I don't agree with your Maddux pick.....
Just because a trophy was named after Cy Young is a pretty weak argument. With no video or any other evidence, seems pretty silly. Geg Maddux should definitely be on this list over a closer. Maddux was so smart and pin point accuracy. I don't feel a closer should be on this list at all. Just my opinion but I'm right. LOL!
Yes, the Greg Maddux part of the video got cut because youtube is annoying, but he was number 5 on this list. Also thank you for your feedback!
Steve Carlton and Greg Maddux are Missing
Should probably have done a once over through some historical list to make sure you didn't forget someone, like I don't know...Greg Maddux! When I got through the first half I wasn't surprised you hadn't listed him yet because he's much better than that and thought for sure he would be #1. It's pretty crazy not to have what many, many people considered the greatest ever. If anyone thinks Cy Young is the best ever they clearly have holes in their baseball knowledge. The guy pitched in an era where most of the batters he was facing had other jobs and it was much, much easier back when he played. He had a lot of wins but he also had a shitload of losses. Just because the award for best pitcher each year is named after him doesn't mean he is the best ever, it just means he was really good as one of the best known earliest pitchers.
I agree, I guess this guy just thought he had to, because the award is named after him, it was also the dead ball era, balls, were beat to death, and kept in the game, hitters were hitting sponge balls, same with Walter Johnson....he's guessing at his greatness....maybe, have a list of best deadball era pitchers, vs. a more modern list of pitchers.....Lefty Carlton wasn't too bad either....
He put him in the video, UA-cam just copyright claimed the part of the video. He literally explained that
nolan ryan did win 1 world series, good list though
Greg Maddox and Roger Clemons.
UA-cam made me remove the greg maddox part and Clemons is disqualified for steriod use.
@@thebaseballcenter why would they make you remove him?
As with bonds, steroids didn’t make these two unlike other players. They were hall of famers without question before they gave in and drank the koolaid.
Good video but
Why is Steve Carlton consistently left off these lists? How many of these 1/4 billion dollar FNGs have ever thrown a complete game? Or hit a GS?
NONE?
Uhhhh... Greg Maddux was a fucking wizard. Make an addendum after some research, and maybe ill follow
Ryan won a Series his rookie year with the Miracle Mets. And yes, you’re wrong. He’s number one, even with no “Greatest Cy Young” award. Do you think Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time? Just because an award is named something because they were there the earliest to do it doesn’t mean they’re the best.
Cy Young and Bill Russell were both better at their respective sports than Nolan Ryan who is without question the most over-rated pitcher in MLB history
And greg maddux..
UA-cam made me remove that part...
You skipped number 6 LOL 🤣😂😁
UA-cam made me remove that part it's very dumb.
No Maddux?
You lose your credibility with Ryan . He was a compiler. You made second,he wasn’t always as high as second on his team. Certainly not in his leagues. In the AL Palmer was always better. In the NL Seaver, Gibson, marichal, Jenkins were all better than. Ryan has the sexy stats.
Absolutely. If adding Ryan was a joke then in one sense it was funny, but that man does not deserve to be in any top ten except the ten most over-rated players in MLB history.
Whatever way you did this list it definitely is not the best way to do it. I am just going to use one stat for all ten of these guys to show Lefty Grove is better than all but one
Grove versus Gibson: Grove had nine ERA titles to Gibson's one. Grove had a 113.3 bWAR in 3940.2 innings; Gibson had 81.7 in 3884 innings.
Grove versus Seaver: Grove led the league in ERA nine times to Seaver's three. In 842 more innings than Grove Seaver had a 7.2 lower bWAR and he had a 1.27 ERA+ to Grove's 148. Also I have Seaver number eight (8) on my list, but no match for Grove.
Grove versus Pedro Martinez: Grove won nine ERA titles to Martinez five they happen to have both pitched 2827 innings, Martinez in his career Grove in 11 seasons from 1928-39 (excluding a sore arm in 1934 Here is comparison for the 2827 innings:
.............................Grove....Martinez
Win-Lost Recprd..235-82.....219-100
ERA........................2.73.......2.93
ERA+......................168........154
ERA titles..................8............5
WAR........................95.7.......86.1
WAR oer 250............846......7.61
Grove versus Randy Johnson: Grove had a 9.8 advantage o WAR over Johnson 113.3 to 103.5 in 195 fewer innings. This is a list of the top 20pitchers all time on Black Ink (finishing first in the league) in the crucial categories of Wins, Winning Percentage, ERA, ERA+ Strikeouts, Strikeouts per game (SPG) (FIP (fielding independent pitching) WHIP, SO/Walk ratio and WAR for pitchers; Here is the list.
..............................W.W%. ER..A. ERA+ SO.SPG FIP.WHIP SO/W WAR/P
........................................................................................Black Ink Tot
Walter Johnson 6 2 5 6 12 7 6 9 7 9 69
Lefty Grove 4 5 9 9 7 5 8 5 8 8 68
Roger Clemens 4 3 7 8 5 3 8 3 4 7 52
Randy Johnson 1 4 4 6 9 9 6 3 1 6 49
Chrty Mathewson 4 1 5 6 4 1 8 4 9 5 47
Satchel Paige 1 3 3 2 5 8 6 6 9 2 45
Dazzy Vance 2 0 3 3 7 8 7 3 8 4 45
Cy Young 5 2 2 2 2 0 7 7 11 6 44
Pete Alexander 6 1 5 4 6 2 4 5 3 6 42
Pedro Martinez 1 3 5 5 3 5 5 6 4 3 40
Sandy Koufax 3 2 5 2 4 6 6 4 3 2 37
Tom Seaver 3 1 3 3 5 6 4 3 3 3 34
Rube Waddell 1 1 2 3 6 8 5 1 1 3 31
Nolan Ryan 0 0 2 2 11 12 1 2 1 0 31
Clayton Kershaw 3 1 5 4 3 2 2 4 2 3 29
Greg Maddux 4 1 4 5 0 0 4 4 3 3 28
Justin Verlander 4 3 2 3 5 1 0 4 3 3 28
Carl Hubbell 3 2 3 3 1 1 1 6 5 2 27
Bob Feller 6 1 1 0 7 5 1 2 1 3 27
Warren Spahn 8 1 3 2 4 0 1 4 0 1 24
Now Randy Johnson i a first rate HOFer and deserving to be higher on the list, but not as
high as Grove
Grove versus Koufax: Koufax had a 53.1 WAR for his career in 2324.1 innings; Grove had 53.1 for WAR in 1683.2 innings from 1928-33. For the rest of his career Grove had 60.2 WAR in 2257 innings. And Grove had almost twice the Black Ink as Koufax and a 148 ERA+ to Koufax's 131.
Walter Johnson should probably be number one and Lefty Grove number two.
Mariano is a releif pitcher an there are probably four or five guys on this list of ten that would have been better reliever than Rivera, though hs is the relief GOAT
Nolan Ryan on a top ten list is a joke.
Cy Young was a great pitcher an deservs to be in the top ten, but the first great pitchers in baseball history was Kid Nichols; Cy Young was better but came a year or so later.
Wow. It's difficult to tell what criteria you are using. But your knowledge of how a pitcher prevents runs is severly lacking. We have a lot of statistical tools in our bag now, but counting stats is not one that is relied on. Young and Ryan? No. Just no.
My #1 is Pedro. His 7 year stretch from 1997-2003 he carried a 2.20 ERA. Right in the middle of the steroid era when offenses exploded.
Nolan Ryan... When will you people learn.
@TK0_23_3 Best pitcher was Koufax then Johnson and then Pedro
@@christiansoldier77 Bill James did a great comparison between Pedro and Kofax. Pedro won. Remember, Pedro pitched in the steroid era. But taking Sandy first is no crime. Incredible talent.
@@TK0_23_ Koufax played in a more offensive era . Plus he pitched way more innings and complete games so he had more quality wins than pedro who would just pitch 5 or 6 innings and get a win So clearly Koufax was better
Warren Spahn. Thirteen 20 win seasons. Lost 4 years during the WWII. I tip my hat to him.
You cant have Mariano on list for starting pitchers . The best Closer for me is Dennis Eckersley
Rivera, a big no....not even close.....for a reliever, okay, but not on this list...1283 IP, that's 4 years of Carlton IP.....
You can be serious with list. You left off Warren Spahn. He won 363 games and a career ERA of 3.09. He had 13 twenty games seasons. He lost three years off of his young career serving in the Army in WW 2. Spahn served as Combat Engineer and was awarded the Silver Star and the Purple Heart. If not for those years in the Army he more than likely would have won 400 games. 363 wins versus 245 losses.
The service is not important to this list....it's not a sentimental, he served, he deserves list....but, that being said, yes, he is deserving, as a pitcher, not as an army veteran.....
@@tedsilversyeager840 Perhaps. But tell me with a straight face that Spahn was not a much better pitcher than Ryan. Warren Spahn was one of the finest lefties of all time behind only Lefty Grove then Randy Johnson and Clayton Kerhaw.
@@user-tw9mt8io2u Don't know, I only saw Spahn pitch at the very end of his career, but, that being said, I'd go with him, you're right! Kershaw would not make my top tier list, Johnson would, along with "Lefty".....and Maddox wouldn't make my list either.....
Thank you for no AI voice. I click off immediately if I hear AI voice.
Ryan is nowhere near top ten all time
Correct, and not a real big game pitcher!