I have a backhoe and it doesn’t take that much time to take it off and put it back on. It’s not that bad when taking out stumps also. I love my backhoe and I have never regretted buying it Thanks J.L.
I have to agree. I just got a 2019 John Deere 3032E with the backhoe and it takes me about 5 to 10 minutes to put it on. It only takes about 3 minutes to take it off. Digging stumps has not been to bad with it. You do make a bigger hole than expected. It takes me about 15 minutes to dig out a 12 to 15' stump. that makes about a 3 foot wide hole. I just dug a 9'x6'x 6' deep hole for my propane tank. That took me about 3 hours. you have to remember that it is not a full size backhoe and things will take a little longer. I also dug the crawl space out for my home with it. I estimate that with the small number of projects I have done with it It has paid for about half of the cost of it so far and I only had the tractor for about 4 months now. The backhoe cost $7,500. My next project is a koi duck pond. Then I will be digging a bigger pond for a watering hole for my cows and goats.
I agree, I have a Sub-compact John Deere with a backhoe, it takes about 15 minutes to install and remove, no it is not big enough to dig a basement but it works great for grubbing stumps. 2 pins and 2 hydraulic hoses and it is off or on, I have a Bxpanded dolly so I can move the backhoe anywhere on a firm surface. I think Tractor Mike should address this subject again, maybe not so dead set against backhoes!
I believe what your saying. I'm 70 and I just don't have the help or the strength when I need it. Mike's video makes sense to me. I could do a lot of things before.
The first time I took my backhoe off (and put it on again) took a whole 6 minutes with one person demoing it at the dealership. Only takes 2 minutes to remove it now. Three if the pins are stuck and I have to use a rubber mallet, but some cleaning and grease can fix that. How easy it was to remove the backhoe sold me on it. If it takes two people and a lot of time, you probably need a better design.
@@edwardbigham7713 Exactly! And it's about HOW you use the tractor implements. For a duck pond a neat trick is to use the backhoe to dig a trench just wide enough for the tractor to do the rest with the front loader, that way you'll be pushing the frontloader into the soil instead of using the hydraulic pressure of the frontloader to dig in it, or spend hours on the backhoe! Saving both time and wear & tear on tractor and implements ^^
After alot of thought and two seperate week long rentals of a backhoe, I bought a Kubota MX5200 with a backhoe this June. It cost me $1200 for each rental and was a marathon and time off work to get as much done as I could while I had it. I figured I could do 5-6 projects and it would be about as much as the rental and I could take my time to do the project. Especially since I plan to have this tractor for many years. My current project is installing a new line 45' from my house to my well. I have found the Kubota backhoe to be very easy to put on and take off and just two hose connections. The hassle is taking the 3 point arms on and off but not terrible once you are familiar with it. I agree that leaving one outside is disheartening and they do take up some space. I am fortunate enough to have a barn big enough for the tractor and all attachments and implements. Storing it at an angle in the corner seems to take up less space. I have been surprised about how many small projects that it has been made easier and faster because I have the backhoe. I think it is safe to say that a backhoe is not for everyone but I am glad I bit the bullet and got a backhoe with my tractor.
Thats true. My backhoe attachment payed for itself and the tractor in a 2 year time frame. Ive had it 25 years now and have I ever saved so much money having it.
In theory, owning a backhoe is rarely a pure money-wise decision. It's all about the fun of using it while serving a certain purpose. As some people say, it's therapeutic!
Reason #5: They’re ‘moocher bait’. Everyone will ask to borrow it but no one will offer to rent it. Nothing wrong with helping people out, except when it’s the same people who never return the favor, and even have the audacity to break stuff then pretend it was already broken when they got it.
I dont loan anything to anybody, anymore especially a tractor, backhoe etc. We used to loan out our cattle trailers and flat bed trailers and they would come back nasty or jacks broken, things bent but would not fix it or even apologize so we stopped all that crap!
This is very true. The same neighbors who will spend $5000 on a new watch or $500 on a new pair of Oakley sunglasses will balk at paying $19.95 to buy you a new saw blade after running yours in the dirt for a week. It must be 100 times worse with a heavy equipment.
My rebuttal to yout first 3 reasons: 1. I have a Kioti CK2510. It is very easy to attach or remove the backhoe. One man job. I did not buy a Mahindra, Yanmar or Kubota for those reasons. No need to remove any linkage with Kioti. And Kioti has a separate seat for the backhoe operator. 2. I put a tarp over mine and bungee it tight. Not the same as a barn but it stays nice under there. 3. You never know when you might need to dig a ditch or remove a rock.
I operate an electrical contracting business and a grounds repair business. I use both my large tractor (JD5075E) and my small tractor (JD1025R) for both ventures. Mike you're absolutely right, I thought about all of the issues you talked about and bought one anyway. I've run many mini-excavators over the years and can say that a TLB doesn't come close to the speed, efficiency, and power of a mini-ex. However, it's on my small tractor and I can get it in tight places, for most electrical trenching is never past 2 feet deep, it's always available (I only have one rental shop here and there's a lot of times that they don't have on available or they're broken, or they're used up pieces of garbage). New ones are awesome. For now my little digger is working although not anywhere near as fast and want to get a mini sometime down the road. They're very expensive to buy and don't need them all that often. But mine's in the garage right now if I need it. That's a relief from the already hectic scheduling process to say the least, especially when the weather can screw up your plans at the last second. The rental thing becomes a nightmare. If I get a job that's out of my backhoe's league, I rent a good size mini. No free lunches here either.
Mike I own a Kubota BX with a backhoe it can be taken off in one minute and put on in the same amount of time, faster than any 3 point implement . It is very user friendly and easy to operate
Ya know what? I just want one. Period. I’ve busted my ass for many years and dammit I deserve it! LOL. Seriously tho, I do use it quite a bit now that I have one! Diggin dirt is AWESOME therapy!
A few years ago I bought a LS tractor with the backhoe attachment, and I love it! It digs out stumps and trenches like crazy, and I'd hate to be without it. But when I finally took the backhoe off, I found that 3-point equipment doesn't work at all. The dealer is too far away and can't do much of anything on the phone. If you need it, get the backhoe, but as soon as you get it (after playing with the backhoe, of course) take it off and test the 3-point hydraulics. I'd even suggest installing the backhoe only to do a task, then take it back off again. Equipment that doesn't get used regularly will stop working - happens all the time!
My TC29Da New Holland tractor came with the NH backhoe and front end loader. The three point hitch arms stay in a lowered position when the backhoe attachment is on. It takes me 15 to 20 minutes to put it on with just 2 pins and 2 hoses. A little quicker if I have a spotter to help align the frame underneath. I keep the attachment in the 'corner' of the barn. Most of the time it's on the tractor because I like the 'counterweight' when I have something heavy in the front loader. I store my 25' tow chain in the back bucket so it's with me most of the time. I also found the extra seat on the backhoe useful for a passenger to ride into the field with me to help work on the pasture fence. Extra fence posts and tools go in the front loader. In the winter, I use the outriggers on the backhoe to lift the back wheels so I can put the tire chains on. I even put tire chains on the front for that extra grip when in 4x4. I sent a few pictures of mine to 'Tractordata.com' to use under TC29Da since they didn't have any of this model.
I have a backhoe on our 2520 and it works great for stumps. U r correct about a second person to help hook it up. I would not be without one now that I have had one. The trick to backhoe and stumps is to cut the tree higher than normal so you can use leverage to help push out stumps.
I agree with everything you say about a backhoe but I still love mine. Yes, they’re a pain to install and remove, to store under cover and to remove stumps (I now hire a stump grinder). I have used mine to dig trenches for water, electric and drain lines but those uses have occurred infrequently and may not occur again. I use mine now to dig a trench in the garden every year to bury my compost piles. I have done this many times with a shovel and it’s not much fun. The euphoria I get when I use the backhoe is well worth the hassles.
Hello Mike, I have just purchased a backhoe for my Kioti and it uses a sub frame for attachment. It takes me about 10 minutes to dismount it, and 15 min to mount it back on. The clearance is such that I do not have to remove anything to mount, not even the drawbar. I have a lot of trenching and digging to do on my property for some construction. Thus, I priced someone to do it for me ant that was $6k. To rent a unit for the time required was $4k. The amount of clearing and other work I have to do will make the system pay for itself within less than a year. Given your situation I would not buy one as well, but as normal, everyone's situation is different. Like your channel.
New hobby farmer here, New Kubota 2501, and I have always wanted a backhoe. Money is no object, lol, and I think all your points are valid. One more reason I can add, It makes a cumbersome piece of equipment much more so. The ideal solution for me would be a mini excavator. far better for digging, reaching out into my pond to clean out the weeds, and just cooler all around. Again , money is no object, and again, lol. Just on more mechanical contraption to maintain. Dollars and sense, there must be some yearly hourly minimum usage to justify either. Timely video, Thank You.
I have a new Holland workmaster 40 with a sub-frame mounted Woods backhoe. It's not difficult to get on and off, the 3 point arms can stay on, and the hydraulics connect in seconds. I also store it inside. I'm happy I bought it for small digging projects and have used it roughly 50 hours the last year. The biggest issue I have is maneuverability. It makes the tractor very long. I live in hilly western Pennsylvania and I have to be very careful with all the weight on the back sticking out. A small excavator would be way easier to maneuver but I needed a tractor for other work besides digging. I appreciate the vids Mike, thanks for all that you teach.
I bought a backhoe for my jd 4044r. I had been debating with myself for couple of years prior. The last year of that internal debate I had spent over $4k on backhoe work. So it was a no brainier for me. The JD backhoe is a breeze to hook up, even for one person as you can control the tractor from the outside and behind - connecting to the easy match. In a couple of years, my backhoe has already paid for itself more than once.
I have a backhoe on my TYM 450 that comes off in about 5 minutes and can be installed in about 10 minutes. I use it enough to justify having it but the guy that uses one once a year needs to hire a guy like me or rent one
I have one on my Kioti and love it. The 3 point hitch does not have to be removed. I can remove it and reinstall it in less than 3 mins - 2 pins and 2 quick disconnect hydraulic lines. Like many other implements and toys - once you own one you will find all kinds of uses for it. Do u need one - probably not but do you need an ATV, side by side, fishing rod, safe full of guns, a $70K truck, or many other things many of us own.
All depends on what you do. I have a small tractor and the backhoe has never come off, except to say I'd done it. It's great ballast for the loader, and if you dig up a lot of stumps it's worth it. The "pain in the butt" to mount/remove varies greatly with the model and mounting method. If you want easier mount/dismount, get a Yanmar or a Kubota.
I love my backhoe, use it all the time - dug a 300’ water line, drainage ditches, great for digging holes for fence posts (great in rocky soil conditions), dig footers for retaining walls. And Mike is right on stumps but it came in handy for one stump that needed removal vs renting a stump grinder. On my Kioti putting on and taking off is easy and it is on and off several times a year.
I have a John Deere 1025r. I use my backhoe a lot. Digging trenches, stumps, planting trees, bushes. I wouldn't be without it. It also makes a great counter weight for heavy loads on my loader. I can take of my backhoe within 5 min. same as putting it on just 2 pins and 2 quick release hoses.
I use my backhoe (with thumb) almost every day I use my tractor. I do a lot of logging, and it's a big help. Holding up logs while I buck them, moving logs and trees, holding dangerous limbs while cutting them off, digging out stumps, planting trees. But I agree - it's a big PITA switching between backhoe and 3-point hitch. I would much rather have a tractor with 3-point and a separate mini excavator if I had the money.
I bought a 2004 NT304 tractor and It had a Ameriquip Backhoe on it. These units are only available on John Deer tractors so parts are at a premium price at JD dealers. It was one of the best purchases I ever made. I got it cheep and I love this unit for digging out tree stumps on my property the secret to digging out stumps is you have to dig the tree out and let the tree fall under its own weight with a little push with your backhoe. I've never taken it off so I can see your point about removing it.. I have a Ls XG3037 for bush hogging and moving dirt so never have a need to remove it. good job on the video.
I have a jd 485a and love love love it. I moved 5 apple trees by scooping it up and driving to new location, I use it once a week I think. When I cut down a tree I dig the stump. I can dig a 8 ft hole .
In my opinion you are totally correct about not owning a backhoe and I don't do that much digging, but when I need to there is the rental place in my area where you can rent one. I saw a tractor at one area cemetery which had broken in half and the backhoe was still intact, but useless due to the problem with the tractor. The tractor and backhoe was nearly new too and a major brand too.
Mike I bought a backhoe with my tractor purchase anpaid half price for backhoe and I love it ,it takes about 5 minutes to take off and I dont have to take anything off tractor to mount and dismount backhoe ,I pull 2 pins and set stabilizer arms down and let bucket down and drive right out from under it,no trouble at all,it is on an LS XR3135 and it is easy to hook up hydralic lines ,just plug them into my 2 outlets on back of tractor,check out the LS brand tractors ,they are easy to get up on and sit in seat and everything is right at your hand reach..
I have bought 4 backhoes. After the first ( JD#6) I went bigger, and got into doing culvert work after my full time job. Lots of wash outs created a lot of work for a couple seasons. I left the backhoe right on the tractors ( 4 and 5 series ) . Having it sit a job site ( a owners driveway) , was great advertising for more work. Bringing my forks along also got me a lot of extra side work moving steps, and whole sheds , and setting them up. I do believe that having Turf tires on the bigger tractors helped me get more work due to less lawn damage.
I owned a JD 4500 with backhoe for 20 yrs; never had a problem with it except for a battery. Never regretted buying it and was easy to take off and put on. The worst implement that I bought was post hole digger. Hardly ever used it. As I got old and started having back problems I sold every thing. But it was a nice piece of equipment.
Good evening. I purchased a 1626 tlb. I'm digging out my 10th set of stumps. But I've made peace with the bigger holes. I also made peace with the longer times per size of stump. Its a 1626,not a 310JD or equivalent. So I've got to pick and choose correctly to not abuse my equipment in the application. But most don't. I bought 40 hardwooded acres with the house from a widow who couldn't afford/ physically upkeep the property. 39.25 acres are wooded,while the rest is yard. After 12 yrs of neglect, the treeline was hugging the house. I spent 1800 dollars for a 1 wk rental of a brushcutter and T650 track skidsteer. I took down pencil to 14" material, knocking the treeline back as well as thinning out the woods. Your correct about removing and installing the backhoe, it's cumbersome at times but not having to rent a mini,a trailer to haul it or pay for delivery and pickup is worth it to me. I'm waiting on my thumb to show up, can't wait. Hope this helps anyone. Be safe.
i am not going to argue--you have given helpful perspective and information. I have just recently purchased a Kioti CK4010se HST tractor with a (subframe) KB2475L backhoe. I am happy with the choice so far. it is a very big implement--storing it well is going to require some thought and compromises. I should create a video on my own page as to why I am happy with this decision and to share my tractor experiences. my tractor purchase and use experience has been immensely improved by you and other video creators. Hopefully the relatively small contribution I may make will help others as well.
Steve I have a CK4010 HST with the 2475L. Use the bucket lever toward the empty position on the ground to push the backhoe onto the rails when it sticks a little. It will go right in.
@@daveknowshow I did not see your reply/comment until now! I have been subscribed to your channel since before i got my tractor. You are one of the people that helped my decide what i thought i needed and then how to use it.
@@sloppyjoe6243 i built a wood frame (with heavy load supporting wheels) to go under the backhoe, and it greatly facilitates removing, attaching, and storing the backhoe -- using techniques such as you mentioned. I will keep that specific technique in mind -- as i head out to put the backhoe back on right now. !!
I am 70 yrs old and own a BX 23S and it takes me a maximum of 10 minutes, start to finish, to get it on or off. No heavy lifting, pushing, shoving etc. And during the summer months I can leave my belly mount on as well. Same with the bucket but that takes only 5 minutes max as well. And I live in a heavy clay area so it beats the hell out of shoveling.
Looking to buy a Backhoe or a skid steer in the 50 Hp range or Skidsteer in the 8,000lb range. A back hoe would be nice to have for that occasional job when needed but really look forward to having the ballast or counterweight of a backhoe when lifting heavy fill around. I could also hookup a concrete block for weight I guess.
This is exactly correct but I recently purchased a Kioti 3520 with a backhoe and am using it all the time. For me it makes sense to own one but for most people I totally agree with you on everything you pointed out in this video. Good information.
I save my projects up and rent a small excavator about once every two or three years for a week. It's not cheap but it gets the job done and one less thing for me to maintain.
I'm planning just like you, for what I need to do. Even running drain and sprinkler lines. Rent a trencher and a helper for a few days. I do the prep helpers can move the dirt.
@@joecain2084 Found several private individuals on News Station Free Ad's that rent their equipment. Better prices than a Rental Yard and they can deliver as well. I will try these Good Ol Boys.
I enjoy your videos and all that you have taught me Mike. But - this time, eh - I have to disagree with you. I LOVE my 2038r backhoe and now that I am getting older, I wouldn't want to be without it! Having the BXpanded on there makes it even more useful! Its not just for digging holes. Even loosening dirt to remove with your bucket loader is helpful. Composting, digging a hole and turning over the waste in there is useful. And yes, it provides great ballast too. Fortunately with the JD 2038r, you don't have to remove the 3-point hitch. Yes, it takes more time to put on and off than 3 -point implements, but its worth it. I'm sure you could find a load of projects around your property if you stopped and thought about it. But - if you like digging with a shovel, that's cool too. Just my 2 cents.
I own a small GC series tractor from Massey Ferguson and in that product line, you need to know right up front if you want one or not, because it’s not something you’re just gonna pick up and attach to it later without almost rebuilding half the tractor. It’s for this reason that I just went ahead and got that whole package deal. It just didn’t make sense for me not to financially. That being said, If I already owned a tractor without one, I probably wouldn’t go to the trouble to put one on it. In my research it turned out to be so incredibly expensive to add the sub frame required, change the seat to a swivel seat, the rollbars on the tractors are different to allow for the operator to sit under it. I have found a ton of jobs for it and I’m glad to have it but I’d only get one if it came with the tractor or my living depended on it. I leave it on all the time because it’s an automatic 1000 pounds of ballast and with all that reaction, she goes anywhere. Great 👍 videos. Keep it up. Always informative and fun to watch!
I like the way you think, I purchased my tractor without a backhoe for some of the same reasons you mentioned. Thanks for posting and being honest with your opinion.👍👍
Thank you for talking about this attachment for a small Tractor. For me, I bought a used 190 Dynahoe (monster 19000 pounds) for me it was a Restoration project. I ran them in 1979 was a very strong machine. The Backhoe end is PART of mainframe (no disconnect) it's just my Toy. I call her Little Muskie after Big Muskie because BUCYRUS-ERIE Built and sold them. It is way overkill. But like you so wisely pointed out. I still had a swimming pool size hole after working around a big maple stump that dug out it still was a huge job to strap stump to front bucket and Dump in Dumpster I rented from Recycling company. You can not dig out Stumps with small tractors. My friend who owns land had it Logged, Rented big CAT excavator with thumb, to remove all the stumps into burn piles, he was making a tree Farm.
A tractor backhoe is not for everyone, but mine was a must-have when I bought my mahindra compact tractor. We raise llamas and alpacas and inevitably we lose some each year to age or sickness. The backhoe makes short work of burying them. We also have a camel and an old horse. We’ll see if the tractor backhoe is up to the task of burying them when the time comes. If it weren’t that unfortunate need, I would definitely have gone with the rent-if-needed approach (and probably gotten a cab instead). Thanks for all the great videos Mike!
The Branson set up is super easy to swap out. Easy hydraulics easy pin removal. Easy to attach. You would be VERY surprised how often they are used for simple tasks from putting in TPosts, extra weight for moving hay rounds, cherry picking an engine, not to mention the obvious of digging. Heck the occasional side job. But if you dont need one you dont need one.
I bought a JD 2032R in March 2019, and got the backhoe with it. I have dug out about 30 stumps ( about 100 more to go) in the last couple of months. Yes it takes a little while depending on the size of the stump. But I can work at my speed without having to worrying about a daily cost. I also have 4 or 5 natural springs on our property and have to channel the run off so the property is usable. In my case, the backhoe will pay for itself in about 3 to 4 years. My on and off time for the backhoe is only about 3-5 minutes.
I own a Kubota bx23s and I would highly recommend if you want a tractor with a backhoe get a kubota or a John Deere because it takes me maybe 5 mins on and 5 mins off for install and removal and I use it more than anything else in my opinion if it comes down to money is in my case it boiled down to this 300 bucks a month for tractor with backhoe 350 dollars a day for backhoe rental in my area to me it wasn’t a hard decision
We didn't get a backhoe with our tractor. Really no need for one. Yes, it would be nice to have for the odd job, but those jobs are too far between to pay for a backhoe. Renting or subbing out the job would be our solution. Thanks for sharing Mike.
I have the backhoe jd 48. You are correct. Better than a shovel, not as good as a full size machine. About 2 hrs of PITA work for on and off. So if it is off I might still be using the shovel for small jobs if it is off.
Easiest way to get rid of stumps is o burn them out, place wood around the stump some diesel fuel and and let it burn. If you keep after it, the stump will burn below below ground level, I've done this many times and it works well and don't cost nothing but a dollar or so for the diesel.
I own a 2007 J.D. 2305 with a backhoe. It takes me a minute and a half to take the backhoe on and off. I built a dolly from a couple of flat furniture dolly's from Harbor Freight and two 1×4's. I can wheel it anywhere in my garage with no problem and when its time to reinstall it, I can push it right up to the tractor, hook up the hydraulic hoses and it only takes a minute. I'm 70 years old and have no problem. It takes longer to take the 3 or. hitch on and off. I love mine.
Mike, I can attest that getting a machine with the hoe is sort of a double edged sword. I have the Branson 2400 compact tractor and it came attached via subframe. What I found out is that they are handy for small jobs...drainage ditchs, digging smaller holes for various reasons and removal of small stumps or trees...never tried a large one as I found out even the small ones take time (as you said). I have gotten a lot of use from it. Now, the bad part is, again as you say, it is a pain to get on due to the minute tolerance of fit...the getting off part was easy....I had to get my neighbor to help put it back on and we worked for a solid hour trying to manipulate it. The other problem I have found is it is impossible to put on a three point implement such as brushhog due to the subframe not allowing the lift arms to raise the full amount. I don't know what to do about it as it would take removal of the frame and that would be a major time consuming event. My neighbor is a good craftsman, and he suggested we try to build an attachment to extend past the frame....in any event it is something I did not anticipate. Saying this, I realize rental of the hoe is an option, but the process of driving to the rental place and paperwork and bringing it to the farm and then unloading etc, cleaning before return etc is time consuming. For the small jobs, the ease of simply backing it out of the barn and going to work is great...not so great if the hoe has been detached though...
I feel land size would have great influence on this decision. For me with 41 acres I could use a backhoe often. But could probably use a large mini ex more. $9,000 upgrade for a backhoe on my Bobcat tractor is pretty steep. But they do say the stability is pretty nice on the compact tractors over some mini excavators.
Hey Mike always enjoy the channel. Compact Kioti CK2610 with backhoe. 5 minutes off and 10 minutes on. Bought it for many reasons, one of which was to clear 19 tree stumps out on a new piece of property. Neighbors thought I was nuts to dig them out. Not a problem.
I have a JD1026r TLB. Taking the backhoe off and putting it back on the tractor is fairly easy by myself with partial disability. I store the backhoe on the tractor. When doing loader work or snow removal, the backhoe is a great rear weight.
You had spoke about the uses and shortfalls of a tractor mounted backhoe - I have a neighbour that purchased a compact tractor with a mower deck, loader, and backhoe 3 or 4years ago. Although I don’t have a clue what his methods or rationality is, I can look out my window to into his backyard ( we live in a small town ) and see the backhoe sitting under the pear tree, and the loader tied up into the tree most of the time, and he cuts his lawn with a cub cadet. I may see the Massey out cutting the grass maybe once a year, and see it with the backhoe and loader on it maybe once a year as well. I watched him level an area for a swimming pool in his back yard, and dig a hole in his backyard and then fill it in. Other than that I haven’t seen him use it. There is more paint washed off the attachments than is washed off. Point is, the loader and backhoe spend most of the time under the tree.
I have a Kioti DK45 with Sub Frame mounted Backhoe, I love it and it's tricky but not that hard to change out especially with practice. It makes a great counter weight for picking up heavy items with the front end loader. I would much rather have a mini Excavator or backhoe but can't have everything. You do bring up a lot of good points, I don't particularly love taking it off so it stays on most of the time and I save up all the other jobs and do them at once then put backhoe back on. I do not loan it out, I will use it to help others but they do not operate it.
Good points all Mike. I own a Kioti 4010 HST with a back hoe and it's super easy to disconnect and reconnect. Takes less than 5 minutes. Two secrets to that I think, 1, use the outriggers and the hoe to create a tripod to hold the pressure when disconnecting the pins, ease the tractor forward about 6 inches (hydrostatic transmission makes this easy) and 2, be sure to bleed the pressure off the system. When reconnecting, get close, connect the hydraulic lines and re-energize the backhoe hydraulics. Use the 3 point system to properly position the backhoe to align the connection points. Then use the hydrostatic transmission to each it back. I make any small adjustments with the backhoe hydraulics to complete mating the system. The first time took me about 30 minutes to understand the physics of using the backhoe in a 3 point stance, but once i understood that, now easy pezy. And i use mine often, cleaning out the creek, digging holes to plant new trees at the farm, lifting various building parts up high, and lots more. And love what you do, also loving my tractor caddy on my Ford tractor. Makes all kinds of good sense to have that! Need to get one for all of my tractors. I have 5 so I guess I have tractor fever and the only possible cure is "just one more".
I've got a Kubota BX-25 sub compact backhoe. I'm able to store it in the garage and the machine has been bulletproof. I've dug over 200 feet of trenches at my house for underground wiring; replanted flower/bush beds; put in a firepit and dug stumps and holes for my neighbors and church. I view it as money in the bank. The biggest PITA about about a backhoe in my opinion are all those dang grease fittings. I hit them every year. The best thing about a backhoe is the safety aspect of its stabilizers. If you are on a tricky slope, you can extend a stabilizer on the downhill side and reduce the old pucker factor.
Hay Mike, i have a backhoe for my Yanmar yt235. You are correct about taking it off and on. But i have dug up 12 bradford trees. It wasnt easy on some of them,but over all it was ok. I even used it to carry the stumps to my burn pile. I use mine to run water pipe, electrical wires. Put a septic tank and field lines. The backhoe is really strong (it will pick up the front end of my tractor) and so far very reliable. Great clip...
My dad had a Massey Ferguson 200 and a 220 industrial skiploaders that had PTO and three point hitch and he used them for rototilling, weed abatement, grading, and a few other things. He also had a side shifting backhoe that went on to that thing with two steel beams making up a subframe that went on to the tractor and hooked on to the backhoe, and the hydraulics were directly tied into the tractor hydraulics. He could attach or detach it and less than a half an hour. Those tractors were from the '50s or '60s. In the seventies he upgraded to a 275 Massey Ferguson agricultural tractor but had the industrial loader added to it.
Glad to hear people like the backhoe. I was considering not getting one after this video. I understand where he is coming from but it seems everyones experience is different
All valid points. But it really depends on the person, the property, the available time, and access to a rental or BH operator. I have a 45 hp. Kioti and the BH lives on my tractor most of the year...inside my barn. It is an important counterweight for my FEL, VERY easy to remove and re-install (5-10 minutes tops), and offers incredible flexibility for my 80 acre property. I would not want to be without it. Your points, however, are important considerations for anyone thinking about such a purchase.
I own a backhoe myself on my farm, a 50hp tractor. Your right its a royal pain to get on and off, but I wouldn't ever trade it. Their is simply no option in my area to rent one, let alone the sheer cost to float it (400$) one way. Then on top of that I use it probably 2-3 times year. I do try to line up my work all at once. Its recovered its cost just in the 4 years I have owned the tractor. Quick tip to help align the sub frame; I use a floor jack to help bring the bottom of the hoe in line with the under carriage brackets when its off ever so slightly. Makes a world of difference.
I considered All your views on backhoes in the past! How much would I use it? Where will I store it when not in use? How many projects will I need it for? Etc! For me it wasn’t worth spending $6000-10,000 for a backhoe but I did run across a used backhoe for $2600 that needed a little work. Couple leaks and a worn pivot pin….had about $300 into repairs and so far after 4 years I’ve used it 5 times on various jobs… Probably has almost paid for itself vs renting equipment for those jobs! I did find a place inside one of my building that’s out of the way and so far im fairly happy with my purchase! Great video and I agree with your opinions!
I just traded up to a larger tractor and added a backhoe this time around. I plan to put in a septic system with it in the next year or two which should be fun. The big reason I got it though was for gravel extraction. When digging from a virgin working face in a gravel pit the compact tractors lack the weight and power to cut and scoop effectively. The backhoe will let you loosen big sections of the face then you can scoop up the loose material and load it into a dump truck/trailer easily. I have a remote cabin that is 75 miles of mountain 2 lane road away from the nearest rental yard so having the added versatility with the BH is worth it.
i just ordered a JD 2038R "with" a backhoe. I went back and forth about getting one, but here are the reasons I eventually decided to get it: (1) My tractor will live 300 miles away from my home (at least for the next 7 years), and our trips to our property are sometimes last minute decisions...flexibility in scheduling is important. (2) We have plenty of areas on our 60 acres that need some degree of trenching and/or ditch digging/clearing. (3) Our soil has plenty of smallish rocks that make hand digging about anything a pain in the neck. (4) My wife told me to get it.
We've got a Kubota 5740 with a sub frame mounted Kubota backhoe (made in the USA) and whilst I respect your point of view and conclusion Mike I think it's pretty obvious that each owner/operators requirements are varied so to make generalized comment will apply to some, but not all operators. On our unit removal of the backhoe is not hard but admittedly the thought of changing implements can be a bit irksome. However, we find the backhoe to be an indispensable bit of kit. We view your interesting clips from Victoria, Australia. Agriculture and small holdings seem to share a fair bit in common on both continents.
I use my backhoe all the time! I have removed a countless number of poplar and spruce stumps as big as 15" in diameter. some are so big the loader with root grapple won't lift them. In my opinion it's all about individual needs and I need one. technique is key when removing a stump I try to break all the roots and sometimes use a chainsaw to cut them
I bought mine for a project that was going to last more than a month, and needed it. Since then, I have changed the bucket out to what I call a spade to run water lines all over the farm. But I agree they are a pain to go on and off. If you have just one small project, do rent. then buy a different tool like a flail mower that can handle 3 - 5 inches brush, a PTO wood chipper, or a PTO stump grinder. You may find them more use full
I don't know about there availability in the American market, but here you can get something called "Farmer's loader" or "muck crane" used quite cheaply. They're basically a small to medium sized backhoe mounted on a small trailer. They usually have fairly long arms, take different buckets (most come with those two piece buckets for loading muck), a counter weight that can be filled with gravel and their own PTO driven hydraulics. They're powerful enough to even lift logs and with the adjustable gravel filled counterweight and the right supports they don't put much force on your tractor. With the longer arm they've got a wider reach than your tractor backhoe and they also usually rotate further. They should be fine to run on those small compacts with 20-30hp, but their big disadvantage to a normal backhoe is the size. They're a bit bulky. But they're cheap and kinda designed to be stored next to the muck pile. If you can get one they're probably an alternative worth while. I'm thinking about machines like the Krüger L211, there are some by atlas that are really beefy.
I always need to dig or pick something up, and can never seem to get enough rear ballast. Seems a good fit for a backhoe, but honestly I think a quality mini excavator is probably a better choice. Only benefit I can see with a subframe backhoe is that I no longer need to worry about another engine's maintenance, as well as the other associated systems which would be redundant. Of course I think the backhoe might be the only way to get my rear ballast up to recommended numbers.
The BH on the Kubota BX23S is small I believe it only goes 6 feet down. But it is a mighty attachment. I've dug some drainage with it and many stumps with it. Install and removal takes a couple minutes. They did it right on that one.
Depending on the size of tractor and the cost of the backhoe you maybe right. But on a subcompact or compact tractor I have to disagree. My Kubota BX easy on easy off store on a dolly and move it where you want. In the four years I have owned it has paid for it self. But when I was tractor shopping I looked at tractors with subframe mounting and first thought was where am I going to store it. I keep all my equipment under roof so I understand what you are saying. 👍
I agree with all your comments the backhoe attachment is a bit of a problem to put on and take off. I do have one on a Kubota l39 it works well and I have dug many swimming pool sized holes trying to get stumps out lol. But it is handy and I love having it. I agree the subframe is a must and the swivel seat takes care of the getting on and off issue
i bought a 3 point hitch backhoe attachment a few years ago from Alibaba for under $4,000. I love it! I've put a sprinkler system in my yard and in my garden. I dug an electric line to the dock on my pond. I've dug up stumps (not that hard). I've buried a couple of dogs. It's great for planting trees, shrubbery, etc. I can put the backhoe on faster than I can put my post hole digger on. All you have to do is get close enough to put the hydraulic pump on the PTO and then you use the backhoe hydraulics to manipulate the backhoe around to hook it up to the 3 point attachment points. I used to work with a plumber who had one on a 33 HP Kubota and we worked the devil out of that thing and never had any problem with it. My Kubota 4701 has no problem either.
Agree with you that the cost is not worth it unless you use it alot. Only thing about renting one is that there would be a learning curve to be proficient with it unless you have experience with one.
I have a case backhoe/loader and digging very large pine stumps out (24" diameter 60" tall tree) takes less than 2 hours to remove and cover back up. some of the stumps are 8' deep and do make a large hole but cover up quickly with the loader. Its easier than a stump grinder for me.
Years ago, I considered a subcompact TLB and realized I would hardly ever use the backhoe and passed on the idea. Early this year I decided that a subcompact TLB would make things easier in the barn at this point in time. I compared mini skid steers and excavators, but considering price and payment options, the TLB was the best deal. I don't use it a lot, but it is there when I need it and I don't need to remove the backhoe, as I have 2 old compact tractors. TLBs are the Swiss Army Knife of small equipment, but it is a good option for small timers. One other thing, dead horses aren't that big of a deal to move and it is usually quite uneventful when you drag them. We had a horse farm for many years and handling the carcass is anti-climactic compared to the euthanasia.
My backhoe has come in so handy for me, I'm so glad I got mine. I don't have any issue putting it on or taking it off, and climbing into it is no different than getting into a lifted truck. Albeit expensive for a tractor implement, I'd still do it again.
As a retired diesel mechanic and small farm owner . You probably just the best advice I've ever heard about backhoes!!! So any of you YUPPIES out there listening compact and subcompack tractors are not made for backhoe WORK!!!
My dad also had a John Deere 500 series with the whole extension that he dug out a lot of stumps with. But that is a full size industrial backhoe. I have operated several different brands of backhoes but I have never liked them. I love running mini excavators. I wish my dad would have had one of those too. I ran his Ferguson most of the time.
I am new to the tractor world. I have a TYM T265 backhoe with subframe. Love it. I have so many jobs lined up. Can’t wait to get a thumb for it and am finding it hard to get one here in Australia. We are going to build a fish pond with lots of fairly large rocks and this is going to save my back a million. I have hugelkulturs to dig and causeways to fix after the floods here in Queensland Australia. It’s heaps good mate. I reckon ya gotta build a bigger shed, then you’ll be right mate. Cheers
Yeah, I didn't get through the whole video. Love the channel but I bought an L2501 with a BH77 backhoe. Easy to store, not that I do, it makes a hell of a ballast weight and I use it all the time. Its easy to get on and off -- about 2-3 minutes with a rolling platform I made for it. I have dug up oak stumps that were 24 -36 inches in diameter. It takes a while but just renting an excavator is 400 a day. If it takes me all day to go slow and do it right. Well, I made my tractor payment but for the whole month. Best tractor implements I own in order. The bucket. The backhoe. The grapple. The box blade. The auger. I use these all the time.
Burning stumps is my go to method. The previous owner of my property used to cut enough cedar every year to pay the property taxes and would cut out dead cherry, oak, walnut, etc for fire wood for both him and his nephew. That means hundreds of stumps from trees that take for ever to rot. Put a couple 3/4 - 1" holes drilled into them to create a chimney, soak them with diesel for a few days, drop a match down the holes, and let it burn. It's a lot less work and leaves a lot less mess than digging out or grinding.
I have a 3 point backhoe we use on our 5065e John Deere. It is a pita! But it isn't too bad. But while in use the upper link broke and dang near crushed the operator. We bought a lower cost unit but it works well just wish I would have opted for the PTO driven pump instead of running it off the hydraulics.
I don't get the backhoe deal especially the little ones. I would much rather rent a full size one as needed and spend that money on other attachments or better yet a bigger tractor.
I own 100 acres and my case 530 backhoe is the piece of equipment I use the most. Tree clearing, brush clearing, yard maintenance, leveling, waterway, water crossing, and roadway maintenance are what I use it for. It is by far the most versatile piece of equipment I have. I use it much more than just a standard tractor.
I'm an owner of a subcompact backhoe with no regrets of my purchase. I have used it for several small tasks and realize that there are limitations to what you can accomplish with it. For one big project I did a few years ago I had to borrow a full size machine, I knew the limits of my machine and needed more reach. Removing small stumps or shrubs is not difficult at all and the remaining hole is easier to deal with than the mess left by grinding. I don't own a stump grinder so my experience is limited to hiring someone who does. The results have been successful but made a mess and left a low spot that had to be filled in. Removal or installation takes just a few minutes on mine. I would mostly agree with your assessment of the subject particularly on the storage and cost aspects. That said when I trade in my current tractor, the next one will still be backhoe equipped. Great points you made in the video and applicable for most people.
Thanks for the video from Australia, I've got a 23s subcompact great little toy but I use the mid deck mower a lot as well as the FEL and Backhoe, I don't have a concrete pad and my 5 acres is very rough so takes a good 40 minutes to change everything around and yes it is a total pain when doing it twice a week but it's mainly the mower I don't like taking off and on as it's quite heavy for someone with a crook back. If I could turn back the clock I'd buy a separate mower and a bigger tractor with Backhoe and FEL and just leave them on as they are pretty handy.
Yes and no Mike, we started with a jd 855 #7 hoe worked flawlessly but getting older, worried about parts availability. Sold unit and bought yanmar yt235 with bh75 another good purchase. We don't now have a lot of work left to do, but so so handy to have for us and extended family. Paid off in 8 months so there's no drag on us, but yes we do have a few attachments. Full frame attachment, and I'm getting quicker on and off. Like yesterday night I made roller carts for both air compressors, vertical one I managed myself, large horizontal I had to have Deb come out and raise up with loader so I could slide cart underneath, she still needs practice gently lowering the loader boom.. wow, that was close... And yes I have written plans drawn up for a backhoe roller cart in the next couple weeks or so. We moved here in 92 and the previous owner used the surrounding close area as a automotive junk collection site. Loading my landscape trailer over and over by hand. A year or two later I bought the john deere 855 loader/backhoe, thought I died and went to heaven after using that instead of biceps. Funny thing I travel to Nanticoke, Ontario every week and it seems every home has a tractor. One evening I took off backhoe on unlevel ground and did some neighbors tilling I promised and with a light it took me over an hour with my wife's help to remount the backhoe, extremely frustrating. Love having the ability to do lifting or dirt work if need be.
I never had a Tractor mounted backhoe for the reasons you mentioned- and i bought a JD 970 in '98 which didn't offer one at the time anyway... but I found I did need a backhoe. In 2011 I found a cheap CAT rubber tire 416B and fell in love with it. Had a 4 in one bucket 4wd, extend-a-hoe, you name it, and the thing was just so useful over the years (although I think I changed every hose on the damn thing). I built a small pond, cleared probably 3-4 acres and generally used it as much as I could for water/electrical, moving trees for firewood, etc..... anything I couldn't do with the JD970. I sold it last year for basically what I paid for it- using the money to help pay for a new Yanmar 47HP tractor. Unfortunately- I quickly realized that I still need a backhoe- I have some old horses that will eventually have to be laid down that the Yanmar loader couldn't really get done. I guess you could theoretically, but it would take some digging! So, I bought a mini ex (again- a cheap JD35g!). I explored the yanmar BH option- but it was half what the cheap min-ex was, and the mini ex is def a better option than any tractor mounted backhoe I've ever seen. What bugged me was not being able to move debris around- as mini ex's are snails compared to that old rubber tire backhoe! My answer was to buy a 4-1 bucket for the Yanmar and now I'm good to go! I''ll probably eventually sell the JD-35g.... probably for what I bought it for. :) Love the channel, man- I may have to start one myself. lol.
G'day Mike. I got a tractor/ backhoe extremely cheaply, it is chinese though...... Only about 5 years old with under 500hrs from a training provider. Needed an engine rebuild after the engine was dusted because a student didn't refit the air filter correctly. With slasher and engine rebuild and backhoe. Total costs including tractor itself under $3000.00, about $2300 in your money. I was in the right place at the right time, they wanted it gone I can report it can dig a hole for a horse, no pretty way of getting it in there though. I'm a earthworks operator and quarry manager and your reasons are very valid. Had the backhoe not come with the tractor, theres no way I'd buy one. You'd have to be earning a living to justify the costs. 8K (almost 6k in US dollars) for the one I got with the tractor. I know I'll almost never use it so I'm already thinking of trying to sell it. Most people I know are your average hobby farmer with little to no operating experience. They just don't get the limitations and stresses a small tractor backhoe has and potentially causes, especially through inexperience. Great vids Mate
I would have to agree as to why I also haven’t bought a BH as an implement. I’ve also been told using it with force past its limitations can break a compact tractor in half. They make kits you can add as a stabilizer. I almost bought a Kubota B21 which is a tractor with a dedicated backhoe that was made back in the 2000’s. I heard good things about it and it got good reviews. I ended up buying a subcompact Kubota KX-41 mini excavator and absolutely love it. I use it all the time for my line of work. I agree about the work involved removing a stump. I have a stump bucket for my skid steer. After exposing the trunk and roots I make cut marks with a chainsaw and pry out the stump with the stump bucket. I have a thumb on the stump bucket so when I am done it is easy to load up the debris into my dump trailer.
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I'm too old to not own a backhoe. It has limitations, but not as limited as a shovel.
Or a wheelbarrow.
Sage words good Sir.
That's why I bought one!
I have a backhoe and it doesn’t take that much time to take it off and put it back on. It’s not that bad when taking out stumps also. I love my backhoe and I have never regretted buying it Thanks J.L.
I have to agree. I just got a 2019 John Deere 3032E with the backhoe and it takes me about 5 to 10 minutes to put it on. It only takes about 3 minutes to take it off. Digging stumps has not been to bad with it. You do make a bigger hole than expected. It takes me about 15 minutes to dig out a 12 to 15' stump. that makes about a 3 foot wide hole. I just dug a 9'x6'x 6' deep hole for my propane tank. That took me about 3 hours. you have to remember that it is not a full size backhoe and things will take a little longer. I also dug the crawl space out for my home with it. I estimate that with the small number of projects I have done with it It has paid for about half of the cost of it so far and I only had the tractor for about 4 months now. The backhoe cost $7,500. My next project is a koi duck pond. Then I will be digging a bigger pond for a watering hole for my cows and goats.
I agree, I have a Sub-compact John Deere with a backhoe, it takes about 15 minutes to install and remove, no it is not big enough to dig a basement but it works great for grubbing stumps. 2 pins and 2 hydraulic hoses and it is off or on, I have a Bxpanded dolly so I can move the backhoe anywhere on a firm surface. I think Tractor Mike should address this subject again, maybe not so dead set against backhoes!
I believe what your saying. I'm 70 and I just don't have the help or the strength when I need it. Mike's video makes sense to me. I could do a lot of things before.
The first time I took my backhoe off (and put it on again) took a whole 6 minutes with one person demoing it at the dealership. Only takes 2 minutes to remove it now. Three if the pins are stuck and I have to use a rubber mallet, but some cleaning and grease can fix that. How easy it was to remove the backhoe sold me on it. If it takes two people and a lot of time, you probably need a better design.
@@edwardbigham7713 Exactly! And it's about HOW you use the tractor implements.
For a duck pond a neat trick is to use the backhoe to dig a trench just wide enough for the tractor to do the rest with the front loader, that way you'll be pushing the frontloader into the soil instead of using the hydraulic pressure of the frontloader to dig in it, or spend hours on the backhoe!
Saving both time and wear & tear on tractor and implements ^^
"I want a smaller house and a bigger barn, I want a barn that you can see from the space shuttle." best quote of the 21st century IMHO
After alot of thought and two seperate week long rentals of a backhoe, I bought a Kubota MX5200 with a backhoe this June. It cost me $1200 for each rental and was a marathon and time off work to get as much done as I could while I had it. I figured I could do 5-6 projects and it would be about as much as the rental and I could take my time to do the project. Especially since I plan to have this tractor for many years. My current project is installing a new line 45' from my house to my well. I have found the Kubota backhoe to be very easy to put on and take off and just two hose connections. The hassle is taking the 3 point arms on and off but not terrible once you are familiar with it. I agree that leaving one outside is disheartening and they do take up some space. I am fortunate enough to have a barn big enough for the tractor and all attachments and implements. Storing it at an angle in the corner seems to take up less space. I have been surprised about how many small projects that it has been made easier and faster because I have the backhoe. I think it is safe to say that a backhoe is not for everyone but I am glad I bit the bullet and got a backhoe with my tractor.
I’ve recently bought a tractor with a backhoe attachment. You do seem to make a lot of new friends with it.
True story. Much like a guy with a long bed truck.... Hey I'm moving.... Help? I have beer.
Thats true. My backhoe attachment payed for itself and the tractor in a 2 year time frame. Ive had it 25 years now and have I ever saved so much money having it.
In theory, owning a backhoe is rarely a pure money-wise decision. It's all about the fun of using it while serving a certain purpose. As some people say, it's therapeutic!
I dug a 30" stump by hand years ago with a shovel and a demolition hammer and a rope and a chain. It took about 20 hours.
Reason #5: They’re ‘moocher bait’. Everyone will ask to borrow it but no one will offer to rent it. Nothing wrong with helping people out, except when it’s the same people who never return the favor, and even have the audacity to break stuff then pretend it was already broken when they got it.
your correct on this comment...ive seen it personally in my life
I'm for rent by the hr thats my answer
I dont loan anything to anybody, anymore especially a tractor, backhoe etc. We used to loan out our cattle trailers and flat bed trailers and they would come back nasty or jacks broken, things bent but would not fix it or even apologize so we stopped all that crap!
This is very true. The same neighbors who will spend $5000 on a new watch or $500 on a new pair of Oakley sunglasses will balk at paying $19.95 to buy you a new saw blade after running yours in the dirt for a week. It must be 100 times worse with a heavy equipment.
Never loan out, your tools, your car or your wife/gf.
You never get them back in the same condition.
My rebuttal to yout first 3 reasons:
1. I have a Kioti CK2510. It is very easy to attach or remove the backhoe. One man job. I did not buy a Mahindra, Yanmar or Kubota for those reasons. No need to remove any linkage with Kioti. And Kioti has a separate seat for the backhoe operator.
2. I put a tarp over mine and bungee it tight. Not the same as a barn but it stays nice under there.
3. You never know when you might need to dig a ditch or remove a rock.
I operate an electrical contracting business and a grounds repair business. I use both my large tractor (JD5075E) and my small tractor (JD1025R) for both ventures. Mike you're absolutely right, I thought about all of the issues you talked about and bought one anyway. I've run many mini-excavators over the years and can say that a TLB doesn't come close to the speed, efficiency, and power of a mini-ex. However, it's on my small tractor and I can get it in tight places, for most electrical trenching is never past 2 feet deep, it's always available (I only have one rental shop here and there's a lot of times that they don't have on available or they're broken, or they're used up pieces of garbage). New ones are awesome. For now my little digger is working although not anywhere near as fast and want to get a mini sometime down the road. They're very expensive to buy and don't need them all that often. But mine's in the garage right now if I need it. That's a relief from the already hectic scheduling process to say the least, especially when the weather can screw up your plans at the last second. The rental thing becomes a nightmare. If I get a job that's out of my backhoe's league, I rent a good size mini. No free lunches here either.
Mike I own a Kubota BX with a backhoe it can be taken off in one minute and put on in the same amount of time, faster than any 3 point implement . It is very user friendly and easy to operate
Ya know what? I just want one. Period. I’ve busted my ass for many years and dammit I deserve it! LOL. Seriously tho, I do use it quite a bit now that I have one! Diggin dirt is AWESOME therapy!
A few years ago I bought a LS tractor with the backhoe attachment, and I love it! It digs out stumps and trenches like crazy, and I'd hate to be without it. But when I finally took the backhoe off, I found that 3-point equipment doesn't work at all. The dealer is too far away and can't do much of anything on the phone. If you need it, get the backhoe, but as soon as you get it (after playing with the backhoe, of course) take it off and test the 3-point hydraulics. I'd even suggest installing the backhoe only to do a task, then take it back off again. Equipment that doesn't get used regularly will stop working - happens all the time!
My TC29Da New Holland tractor came with the NH backhoe and front end loader. The three point hitch arms stay in a lowered position when the backhoe attachment is on. It takes me 15 to 20 minutes to put it on with just 2 pins and 2 hoses. A little quicker if I have a spotter to help align the frame underneath. I keep the attachment in the 'corner' of the barn. Most of the time it's on the tractor because I like the 'counterweight' when I have something heavy in the front loader. I store my 25' tow chain in the back bucket so it's with me most of the time. I also found the extra seat on the backhoe useful for a passenger to ride into the field with me to help work on the pasture fence. Extra fence posts and tools go in the front loader. In the winter, I use the outriggers on the backhoe to lift the back wheels so I can put the tire chains on. I even put tire chains on the front for that extra grip when in 4x4. I sent a few pictures of mine to 'Tractordata.com' to use under TC29Da since they didn't have any of this model.
I have purchased a Bh 75 for my tc34da, waiting on arrival, subframe mount with spacer for my Laurin cab
I have a backhoe on our 2520 and it works great for stumps. U r correct about a second person to help hook it up. I would not be without one now that I have had one. The trick to backhoe and stumps is to cut the tree higher than normal so you can use leverage to help push out stumps.
I agree with everything you say about a backhoe but I still love mine. Yes, they’re a pain to install and remove, to store under cover and to remove stumps (I now hire a stump grinder). I have used mine to dig trenches for water, electric and drain lines but those uses have occurred infrequently and may not occur again. I use mine now to dig a trench in the garden every year to bury my compost piles. I have done this many times with a shovel and it’s not much fun. The euphoria I get when I use the backhoe is well worth the hassles.
Hello Mike,
I have just purchased a backhoe for my Kioti and it uses a sub frame for attachment. It takes me about 10 minutes to dismount it, and 15 min to mount it back on. The clearance is such that I do not have to remove anything to mount, not even the drawbar. I have a lot of trenching and digging to do on my property for some construction. Thus, I priced someone to do it for me ant that was $6k. To rent a unit for the time required was $4k. The amount of clearing and other work I have to do will make the system pay for itself within less than a year. Given your situation I would not buy one as well, but as normal, everyone's situation is different. Like your channel.
New hobby farmer here, New Kubota 2501, and I have always wanted a backhoe. Money is no object, lol, and I think all your points are valid. One more reason I can add, It makes a cumbersome piece of equipment much more so. The ideal solution for me would be a mini excavator. far better for digging, reaching out into my pond to clean out the weeds, and just cooler all around. Again , money is no object, and again, lol. Just on more mechanical contraption to maintain. Dollars and sense, there must be some yearly hourly minimum usage to justify either. Timely video, Thank You.
I have a new Holland workmaster 40 with a sub-frame mounted Woods backhoe. It's not difficult to get on and off, the 3 point arms can stay on, and the hydraulics connect in seconds. I also store it inside. I'm happy I bought it for small digging projects and have used it roughly 50 hours the last year. The biggest issue I have is maneuverability. It makes the tractor very long. I live in hilly western Pennsylvania and I have to be very careful with all the weight on the back sticking out. A small excavator would be way easier to maneuver but I needed a tractor for other work besides digging. I appreciate the vids Mike, thanks for all that you teach.
Just ordered a bh 75 for my New Holland TC34DA hoping the arms can stay on. i have a laurin cab also on.
I can take my backhoe off my kubota in about 5 minutes and Maybe 7 minutes to put it back on
Same here.
I bought a backhoe for my jd 4044r. I had been debating with myself for couple of years prior. The last year of that internal debate I had spent over $4k on backhoe work. So it was a no brainier for me. The JD backhoe is a breeze to hook up, even for one person as you can control the tractor from the outside and behind - connecting to the easy match. In a couple of years, my backhoe has already paid for itself more than once.
I have a backhoe on my TYM 450 that comes off in about 5 minutes and can be installed in about 10 minutes. I use it enough to justify having it but the guy that uses one once a year needs to hire a guy like me or rent one
@@johnburk7787 another option is the tow behind trencher/backhoe as it costs about the same as a 2 week long rentals
I have one on my Kioti and love it. The 3 point hitch does not have to be removed. I can remove it and reinstall it in less than 3 mins - 2 pins and 2 quick disconnect hydraulic lines. Like many other implements and toys - once you own one you will find all kinds of uses for it. Do u need one - probably not but do you need an ATV, side by side, fishing rod, safe full of guns, a $70K truck, or many other things many of us own.
All depends on what you do. I have a small tractor and the backhoe has never come off, except to say I'd done it. It's great ballast for the loader, and if you dig up a lot of stumps it's worth it. The "pain in the butt" to mount/remove varies greatly with the model and mounting method. If you want easier mount/dismount, get a Yanmar or a Kubota.
Kioti is super-easy mount too
I love my backhoe, use it all the time - dug a 300’ water line, drainage ditches, great for digging holes for fence posts (great in rocky soil conditions), dig footers for retaining walls. And Mike is right on stumps but it came in handy for one stump that needed removal vs renting a stump grinder. On my Kioti putting on and taking off is easy and it is on and off several times a year.
I have 23 acres and have lots of work to justify a backhoe so I bought it. I get alot of work done that I could not afford to get done otherwise.
I have a John Deere 1025r. I use my backhoe a lot. Digging trenches, stumps, planting trees, bushes. I wouldn't be without it. It also makes a great counter weight for heavy loads on my loader. I can take of my backhoe within 5 min. same as putting it on just 2 pins and 2 quick release hoses.
I love my tractor backhoe! It’s also a breeze to get on and off. Also, if your investing in the backhoe you may as well get the thumb with it.
I use my backhoe (with thumb) almost every day I use my tractor. I do a lot of logging, and it's a big help. Holding up logs while I buck them, moving logs and trees, holding dangerous limbs while cutting them off, digging out stumps, planting trees. But I agree - it's a big PITA switching between backhoe and 3-point hitch. I would much rather have a tractor with 3-point and a separate mini excavator if I had the money.
AND moves rocks if you've got a lot of big rocks around (I do)
I bought a 2004 NT304 tractor and It had a Ameriquip Backhoe on it. These units are only available on John Deer tractors so parts are at a premium price at JD dealers. It was one of the best purchases I ever made. I got it cheep and I love this unit for digging out tree stumps on my property the secret to digging out stumps is you have to dig the tree out and let the tree fall under its own weight with a little push with your backhoe. I've never taken it off so I can see your point about removing it.. I have a Ls XG3037 for bush hogging and moving dirt so never have a need to remove it. good job on the video.
I have a jd 485a and love love love it. I moved 5 apple trees by scooping it up and driving to new location, I use it once a week I think. When I cut down a tree I dig the stump. I can dig a 8 ft hole .
In my opinion you are totally correct about not owning a backhoe and I don't do that much digging, but when I need to there is the rental place in my area where you can rent one. I saw a tractor at one area cemetery which had broken in half and the backhoe was still intact, but useless due to the problem with the tractor. The tractor and backhoe was nearly new too and a major brand too.
Mike I bought a backhoe with my tractor purchase anpaid half price for backhoe and I love it ,it takes about 5 minutes to take off and I dont have to take anything off tractor to mount and dismount backhoe ,I pull 2 pins and set stabilizer arms down and let bucket down and drive right out from under it,no trouble at all,it is on an LS XR3135 and it is easy to hook up hydralic lines ,just plug them into my 2 outlets on back of tractor,check out the LS brand tractors ,they are easy to get up on and sit in seat and everything is right at your hand reach..
Every farmers dream “smaller house and bigger barn” great points in this video!
I have bought 4 backhoes. After the first ( JD#6) I went bigger, and got into doing culvert work after my full time job. Lots of wash outs created a lot of work for a couple seasons. I left the backhoe right on the tractors ( 4 and 5 series ) . Having it sit a job site ( a owners driveway) , was great advertising for more work. Bringing my forks along also got me a lot of extra side work moving steps, and whole sheds , and setting them up. I do believe that having Turf tires on the bigger tractors helped me get more work due to less lawn damage.
I have no problem getting my backhoe on/off my tractor 10 -15 minutes. To get from tractor to backhoe 5 minutes at the most. I'm 71.
I owned a JD 4500 with backhoe for 20 yrs; never had a problem with it except for a battery. Never regretted buying it and was easy to take off and put on. The worst implement that I bought was post hole digger. Hardly ever used it. As I got old and started having back problems I sold every thing. But it was a nice piece of equipment.
Good evening. I purchased a 1626 tlb. I'm digging out my 10th set of stumps. But I've made peace with the bigger holes. I also made peace with the longer times per size of stump.
Its a 1626,not a 310JD or equivalent. So I've got to pick and choose correctly to not abuse my equipment in the application. But most don't.
I bought 40 hardwooded acres with the house from a widow who couldn't afford/ physically upkeep the property. 39.25 acres are wooded,while the rest is yard.
After 12 yrs of neglect, the treeline was hugging the house. I spent 1800 dollars for a 1 wk rental of a brushcutter and T650 track skidsteer.
I took down pencil to 14" material, knocking the treeline back as well as thinning out the woods.
Your correct about removing and installing the backhoe, it's cumbersome at times but not having to rent a mini,a trailer to haul it or pay for delivery and pickup is worth it to me. I'm waiting on my thumb to show up, can't wait.
Hope this helps anyone. Be safe.
i am not going to argue--you have given helpful perspective and information.
I have just recently purchased a Kioti CK4010se HST tractor with a (subframe) KB2475L backhoe.
I am happy with the choice so far.
it is a very big implement--storing it well is going to require some thought and compromises.
I should create a video on my own page as to why I am happy with this decision and to share my tractor experiences.
my tractor purchase and use experience has been immensely improved by you and other video creators. Hopefully the relatively small contribution I may make will help others as well.
you will love the backhoe! that ck4010se is a nice tractor
Steve I have a CK4010 HST with the 2475L. Use the bucket lever toward the empty position on the ground to push the backhoe onto the rails when it sticks a little. It will go right in.
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I did not see your reply/comment until now!
I have been subscribed to your channel since before i got my tractor. You are one of the people that helped my decide what i thought i needed and then how to use it.
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i built a wood frame (with heavy load supporting wheels) to go under the backhoe, and it greatly facilitates removing, attaching, and storing the backhoe -- using techniques such as you mentioned. I will keep that specific technique in mind -- as i head out to put the backhoe back on right now. !!
I am 70 yrs old and own a BX 23S and it takes me a maximum of 10 minutes, start to finish, to get it on or off. No heavy lifting, pushing, shoving etc. And during the summer months I can leave my belly mount on as well. Same with the bucket but that takes only 5 minutes max as well. And I live in a heavy clay area so it beats the hell out of shoveling.
Looking to buy a Backhoe or a skid steer in the 50 Hp range or Skidsteer in the 8,000lb range. A back hoe would be nice to have for that occasional job when needed but really look forward to having the ballast or counterweight of a backhoe when lifting heavy fill around. I could also hookup a concrete block for weight I guess.
This is exactly correct but I recently purchased a Kioti 3520 with a backhoe and am using it all the time. For me it makes sense to own one but for most people I totally agree with you on everything you pointed out in this video. Good information.
I save my projects up and rent a small excavator about once every two or three years for a week. It's not cheap but it gets the job done and one less thing for me to maintain.
Jim Helton. I agree make a work list and rent the excavator
Best way to save money, Plus the rent is 100% tax deductible at tax time...
I'm planning just like you, for what I need to do. Even running drain and sprinkler lines. Rent a trencher and a helper for a few days. I do the prep helpers can move the dirt.
@@joecain2084 Found several private individuals on News Station Free Ad's that rent their equipment. Better prices than a Rental Yard and they can deliver as well. I will try these Good Ol Boys.
I enjoy your videos and all that you have taught me Mike. But - this time, eh - I have to disagree with you. I LOVE my 2038r backhoe and now that I am getting older, I wouldn't want to be without it! Having the BXpanded on there makes it even more useful! Its not just for digging holes. Even loosening dirt to remove with your bucket loader is helpful. Composting, digging a hole and turning over the waste in there is useful. And yes, it provides great ballast too. Fortunately with the JD 2038r, you don't have to remove the 3-point hitch. Yes, it takes more time to put on and off than 3 -point implements, but its worth it. I'm sure you could find a load of projects around your property if you stopped and thought about it. But - if you like digging with a shovel, that's cool too. Just my 2 cents.
I own a small GC series tractor from Massey Ferguson and in that product line, you need to know right up front if you want one or not, because it’s not something you’re just gonna pick up and attach to it later without almost rebuilding half the tractor. It’s for this reason that I just went ahead and got that whole package deal. It just didn’t make sense for me not to financially. That being said, If I already owned a tractor without one, I probably wouldn’t go to the trouble to put one on it. In my research it turned out to be so incredibly expensive to add the sub frame required, change the seat to a swivel seat, the rollbars on the tractors are different to allow for the operator to sit under it. I have found a ton of jobs for it and I’m glad to have it but I’d only get one if it came with the tractor or my living depended on it. I leave it on all the time because it’s an automatic 1000 pounds of ballast and with all that reaction, she goes anywhere. Great 👍 videos. Keep it up. Always informative and fun to watch!
I like the way you think, I purchased my tractor without a backhoe for some of the same reasons you mentioned. Thanks for posting and being honest with your opinion.👍👍
Thank you for talking about this attachment for a small Tractor. For me, I bought a used 190 Dynahoe (monster 19000 pounds) for me it was a Restoration project. I ran them in 1979 was a very strong machine. The Backhoe end is PART of mainframe (no disconnect) it's just my Toy. I call her Little Muskie after Big Muskie because BUCYRUS-ERIE Built and sold them.
It is way overkill. But like you so wisely pointed out. I still had a swimming pool size hole after working around a big maple stump that dug out
it still was a huge job to strap stump to front bucket and Dump in Dumpster I rented from Recycling company. You can not dig out Stumps with small tractors. My friend who owns land had it Logged, Rented big CAT excavator with thumb, to remove all the stumps into burn piles, he was making a tree Farm.
A tractor backhoe is not for everyone, but mine was a must-have when I bought my mahindra compact tractor. We raise llamas and alpacas and inevitably we lose some each year to age or sickness. The backhoe makes short work of burying them. We also have a camel and an old horse. We’ll see if the tractor backhoe is up to the task of burying them when the time comes. If it weren’t that unfortunate need, I would definitely have gone with the rent-if-needed approach (and probably gotten a cab instead). Thanks for all the great videos Mike!
The Branson set up is super easy to swap out. Easy hydraulics easy pin removal. Easy to attach. You would be VERY surprised how often they are used for simple tasks from putting in TPosts, extra weight for moving hay rounds, cherry picking an engine, not to mention the obvious of digging. Heck the occasional side job. But if you dont need one you dont need one.
I bought a JD 2032R in March 2019, and got the backhoe with it. I have dug out about 30 stumps ( about 100 more to go) in the last couple of months. Yes it takes a little while depending on the size of the stump. But I can work at my speed without having to worrying about a daily cost. I also have 4 or 5 natural springs on our property and have to channel the run off so the property is usable. In my case, the backhoe will pay for itself in about 3 to 4 years. My on and off time for the backhoe is only about 3-5 minutes.
Not sure I agree with your theory on the backhoe but I do enjoy your advice
I own a Kubota bx23s and I would highly recommend if you want a tractor with a backhoe get a kubota or a John Deere because it takes me maybe 5 mins on and 5 mins off for install and removal and I use it more than anything else in my opinion if it comes down to money is in my case it boiled down to this 300 bucks a month for tractor with backhoe 350 dollars a day for backhoe rental in my area to me it wasn’t a hard decision
We didn't get a backhoe with our tractor. Really no need for one. Yes, it would be nice to have for the odd job, but those jobs are too far between to pay for a backhoe. Renting or subbing out the job would be our solution. Thanks for sharing Mike.
I have the backhoe jd 48. You are correct. Better than a shovel, not as good as a full size machine. About 2 hrs of PITA work for on and off. So if it is off I might still be using the shovel for small jobs if it is off.
Easiest way to get rid of stumps is o burn them out, place wood around the stump some diesel fuel and and let it burn. If you keep after it, the stump will burn below below ground level, I've done this many times and it works well and don't cost nothing but a dollar or so for the diesel.
I tried that same idea to get rid of some big rocks and it didn't work! :-)
I don't "NEED" a backhoe but I have one and I use it with a thumb attachment for just about anything
I just ordered a expanded bolt on thumb for my J.D. 2305. I'm looking forward to trying it out.
@@johngersna3263 John, I think you will like it and find many uses for it. Good luck and stay safe.
I put a thumb on my backhoe last week and have used it for moving firewood logs out of the woods...best $150.00 I spent.
I have many things I don't "NEED", but I'm glad I have them.
I own a 2007 J.D. 2305 with a backhoe. It takes me a minute and a half to take the backhoe on and off. I built a dolly from a couple of flat furniture dolly's from Harbor Freight and two 1×4's. I can wheel it anywhere in my garage with no problem and when its time to reinstall it, I can push it right up to the tractor, hook up the hydraulic hoses and it only takes a minute. I'm 70 years old and have no problem. It takes longer to take the 3 or. hitch on and off. I love mine.
Mike, I can attest that getting a machine with the hoe is sort of a double edged sword. I have the Branson 2400 compact tractor and it came attached via subframe. What I found out is that they are handy for small jobs...drainage ditchs, digging smaller holes for various reasons and removal of small stumps or trees...never tried a large one as I found out even the small ones take time (as you said). I have gotten a lot of use from it. Now, the bad part is, again as you say, it is a pain to get on due to the minute tolerance of fit...the getting off part was easy....I had to get my neighbor to help put it back on and we worked for a solid hour trying to manipulate it. The other problem I have found is it is impossible to put on a three point implement such as brushhog due to the subframe not allowing the lift arms to raise the full amount. I don't know what to do about it as it would take removal of the frame and that would be a major time consuming event. My neighbor is a good craftsman, and he suggested we try to build an attachment to extend past the frame....in any event it is something I did not anticipate. Saying this, I realize rental of the hoe is an option, but the process of driving to the rental place and paperwork and bringing it to the farm and then unloading etc, cleaning before return etc is time consuming. For the small jobs, the ease of simply backing it out of the barn and going to work is great...not so great if the hoe has been detached though...
I feel land size would have great influence on this decision. For me with 41 acres I could use a backhoe often. But could probably use a large mini ex more. $9,000 upgrade for a backhoe on my Bobcat tractor is pretty steep. But they do say the stability is pretty nice on the compact tractors over some mini excavators.
Hey Mike always enjoy the channel. Compact Kioti CK2610 with backhoe. 5 minutes off and 10 minutes on. Bought it for many reasons, one of which was to clear 19 tree stumps out on a new piece of property. Neighbors thought I was nuts to dig them out. Not a problem.
I have a JD1026r TLB. Taking the backhoe off and putting it back on the tractor is fairly easy by myself with partial disability. I store the backhoe on the tractor. When doing loader work or snow removal, the backhoe is a great rear weight.
You had spoke about the uses and shortfalls of a tractor mounted backhoe - I have a neighbour that purchased a compact tractor with a mower deck, loader, and backhoe 3 or 4years ago. Although I don’t have a clue what his methods or rationality is, I can look out my window to into his backyard ( we live in a small town ) and see the backhoe sitting under the pear tree, and the loader tied up into the tree most of the time, and he cuts his lawn with a cub cadet. I may see the Massey out cutting the grass maybe once a year, and see it with the backhoe and loader on it maybe once a year as well. I watched him level an area for a swimming pool in his back yard, and dig a hole in his backyard and then fill it in. Other than that I haven’t seen him use it. There is more paint washed off the attachments than is washed off. Point is, the loader and backhoe spend most of the time under the tree.
I have a Kioti DK45 with Sub Frame mounted Backhoe, I love it and it's tricky but not that hard to change out especially with practice. It makes a great counter weight for picking up heavy items with the front end loader. I would much rather have a mini Excavator or backhoe but can't have everything. You do bring up a lot of good points, I don't particularly love taking it off so it stays on most of the time and I save up all the other jobs and do them at once then put backhoe back on. I do not loan it out, I will use it to help others but they do not operate it.
Good points all Mike. I own a Kioti 4010 HST with a back hoe and it's super easy to disconnect and reconnect. Takes less than 5 minutes. Two secrets to that I think, 1, use the outriggers and the hoe to create a tripod to hold the pressure when disconnecting the pins, ease the tractor forward about 6 inches (hydrostatic transmission makes this easy) and 2, be sure to bleed the pressure off the system. When reconnecting, get close, connect the hydraulic lines and re-energize the backhoe hydraulics. Use the 3 point system to properly position the backhoe to align the connection points. Then use the hydrostatic transmission to each it back. I make any small adjustments with the backhoe hydraulics to complete mating the system. The first time took me about 30 minutes to understand the physics of using the backhoe in a 3 point stance, but once i understood that, now easy pezy. And i use mine often, cleaning out the creek, digging holes to plant new trees at the farm, lifting various building parts up high, and lots more. And love what you do, also loving my tractor caddy on my Ford tractor. Makes all kinds of good sense to have that! Need to get one for all of my tractors. I have 5 so I guess I have tractor fever and the only possible cure is "just one more".
I've got a Kubota BX-25 sub compact backhoe. I'm able to store it in the garage and the machine has been bulletproof. I've dug over 200 feet of trenches at my house for underground wiring; replanted flower/bush beds; put in a firepit and dug stumps and holes for my neighbors and church. I view it as money in the bank. The biggest PITA about about a backhoe in my opinion are all those dang grease fittings. I hit them every year. The best thing about a backhoe is the safety aspect of its stabilizers. If you are on a tricky slope, you can extend a stabilizer on the downhill side and reduce the old pucker factor.
Hay Mike, i have a backhoe for my Yanmar yt235. You are correct about taking it off and on. But i have dug up 12 bradford trees. It wasnt easy on some of them,but over all it was ok. I even used it to carry the stumps to my burn pile. I use mine to run water pipe, electrical wires. Put a septic tank and field lines. The backhoe is really strong (it will pick up the front end of my tractor) and so far very reliable. Great clip...
My dad had a Massey Ferguson 200 and a 220 industrial skiploaders that had PTO and three point hitch and he used them for rototilling, weed abatement, grading, and a few other things. He also had a side shifting backhoe that went on to that thing with two steel beams making up a subframe that went on to the tractor and hooked on to the backhoe, and the hydraulics were directly tied into the tractor hydraulics.
He could attach or detach it and less than a half an hour.
Those tractors were from the '50s or '60s.
In the seventies he upgraded to a 275 Massey Ferguson agricultural tractor but had the industrial loader added to it.
Glad to hear people like the backhoe. I was considering not getting one after this video. I understand where he is coming from but it seems everyones experience is different
All valid points. But it really depends on the person, the property, the available time, and access to a rental or BH operator. I have a 45 hp. Kioti and the BH lives on my tractor most of the year...inside my barn. It is an important counterweight for my FEL, VERY easy to remove and re-install (5-10 minutes tops), and offers incredible flexibility for my 80 acre property. I would not want to be without it. Your points, however, are important considerations for anyone thinking about such a purchase.
I own a backhoe myself on my farm, a 50hp tractor. Your right its a royal pain to get on and off, but I wouldn't ever trade it. Their is simply no option in my area to rent one, let alone the sheer cost to float it (400$) one way. Then on top of that I use it probably 2-3 times year. I do try to line up my work all at once. Its recovered its cost just in the 4 years I have owned the tractor. Quick tip to help align the sub frame; I use a floor jack to help bring the bottom of the hoe in line with the under carriage brackets when its off ever so slightly. Makes a world of difference.
I considered All your views on backhoes in the past! How much would I use it? Where will I store it when not in use? How many projects will I need it for? Etc! For me it wasn’t worth spending $6000-10,000 for a backhoe but I did run across a used backhoe for $2600 that needed a little work.
Couple leaks and a worn pivot pin….had about $300 into repairs and so far after 4 years I’ve used it 5 times on various jobs…
Probably has almost paid for itself vs renting equipment for those jobs! I did find a place inside one of my building that’s out of the way and so far im fairly happy with my purchase!
Great video and I agree with your opinions!
I just traded up to a larger tractor and added a backhoe this time around. I plan to put in a septic system with it in the next year or two which should be fun. The big reason I got it though was for gravel extraction. When digging from a virgin working face in a gravel pit the compact tractors lack the weight and power to cut and scoop effectively. The backhoe will let you loosen big sections of the face then you can scoop up the loose material and load it into a dump truck/trailer easily.
I have a remote cabin that is 75 miles of mountain 2 lane road away from the nearest rental yard so having the added versatility with the BH is worth it.
i just ordered a JD 2038R "with" a backhoe. I went back and forth about getting one, but here are the reasons I eventually decided to get it: (1) My tractor will live 300 miles away from my home (at least for the next 7 years), and our trips to our property are sometimes last minute decisions...flexibility in scheduling is important. (2) We have plenty of areas on our 60 acres that need some degree of trenching and/or ditch digging/clearing. (3) Our soil has plenty of smallish rocks that make hand digging about anything a pain in the neck. (4) My wife told me to get it.
We've got a Kubota 5740 with a sub frame mounted Kubota backhoe (made in the USA) and whilst I respect your point of view and conclusion Mike I think it's pretty obvious that each owner/operators requirements are varied so to make generalized comment will apply to some, but not all operators.
On our unit removal of the backhoe is not hard but admittedly the thought of changing implements can be a bit irksome. However, we find the backhoe to be an indispensable bit of kit.
We view your interesting clips from Victoria, Australia.
Agriculture and small holdings seem to share a fair bit in common on both continents.
I use my backhoe all the time! I have removed a countless number of poplar and spruce stumps as big as 15" in diameter. some are so big the loader with root grapple won't lift them. In my opinion it's all about individual needs and I need one. technique is key when removing a stump I try to break all the roots and sometimes use a chainsaw to cut them
I bought mine for a project that was going to last more than a month, and needed it. Since then, I have changed the bucket out to what I call a spade to run water lines all over the farm. But I agree they are a pain to go on and off. If you have just one small project, do rent. then buy a different tool like a flail mower that can handle 3 - 5 inches brush, a PTO wood chipper, or a PTO stump grinder. You may find them more use full
I don't know about there availability in the American market, but here you can get something called "Farmer's loader" or "muck crane" used quite cheaply.
They're basically a small to medium sized backhoe mounted on a small trailer. They usually have fairly long arms, take different buckets (most come with those two piece buckets for loading muck), a counter weight that can be filled with gravel and their own PTO driven hydraulics.
They're powerful enough to even lift logs and with the adjustable gravel filled counterweight and the right supports they don't put much force on your tractor. With the longer arm they've got a wider reach than your tractor backhoe and they also usually rotate further.
They should be fine to run on those small compacts with 20-30hp, but their big disadvantage to a normal backhoe is the size. They're a bit bulky. But they're cheap and kinda designed to be stored next to the muck pile.
If you can get one they're probably an alternative worth while.
I'm thinking about machines like the Krüger L211, there are some by atlas that are really beefy.
I always need to dig or pick something up, and can never seem to get enough rear ballast.
Seems a good fit for a backhoe, but honestly I think a quality mini excavator is probably a better choice. Only benefit I can see with a subframe backhoe is that I no longer need to worry about another engine's maintenance, as well as the other associated systems which would be redundant. Of course I think the backhoe might be the only way to get my rear ballast up to recommended numbers.
The BH on the Kubota BX23S is small I believe it only goes 6 feet down. But it is a mighty attachment. I've dug some drainage with it and many stumps with it. Install and removal takes a couple minutes. They did it right on that one.
Depending on the size of tractor and the cost of the backhoe you maybe right. But on a subcompact or compact tractor I have to disagree. My Kubota BX easy on easy off store on a dolly and move it where you want. In the four years I have owned it has paid for it self. But when I was tractor shopping I looked at tractors with subframe mounting and first thought was where am I going to store it. I keep all my equipment under roof so I understand what you are saying. 👍
I agree with all your comments the backhoe attachment is a bit of a problem to put on and take off. I do have one on a Kubota l39 it works well and I have dug many swimming pool sized holes trying to get stumps out lol. But it is handy and I love having it. I agree the subframe is a must and the swivel seat takes care of the getting on and off issue
i bought a 3 point hitch backhoe attachment a few years ago from Alibaba for under $4,000. I love it! I've put a sprinkler system in my yard and in my garden. I dug an electric line to the dock on my pond. I've dug up stumps (not that hard). I've buried a couple of dogs. It's great for planting trees, shrubbery, etc. I can put the backhoe on faster than I can put my post hole digger on. All you have to do is get close enough to put the hydraulic pump on the PTO and then you use the backhoe hydraulics to manipulate the backhoe around to hook it up to the 3 point attachment points. I used to work with a plumber who had one on a 33 HP Kubota and we worked the devil out of that thing and never had any problem with it. My Kubota 4701 has no problem either.
Agree with you that the cost is not worth it unless you use it alot. Only thing about renting one is that there would be a learning curve to be proficient with it unless you have experience with one.
I have a case backhoe/loader and digging very large pine stumps out (24" diameter 60" tall tree) takes less than 2 hours to remove and cover back up. some of the stumps are 8' deep and do make a large hole but cover up quickly with the loader. Its easier than a stump grinder for me.
Years ago, I considered a subcompact TLB and realized I would hardly ever use the backhoe and passed on the idea. Early this year I decided that a subcompact TLB would make things easier in the barn at this point in time. I compared mini skid steers and excavators, but considering price and payment options, the TLB was the best deal. I don't use it a lot, but it is there when I need it and I don't need to remove the backhoe, as I have 2 old compact tractors. TLBs are the Swiss Army Knife of small equipment, but it is a good option for small timers. One other thing, dead horses aren't that big of a deal to move and it is usually quite uneventful when you drag them. We had a horse farm for many years and handling the carcass is anti-climactic compared to the euthanasia.
My backhoe has come in so handy for me, I'm so glad I got mine. I don't have any issue putting it on or taking it off, and climbing into it is no different than getting into a lifted truck. Albeit expensive for a tractor implement, I'd still do it again.
I have 23 acres and have lots of work to justify a backhoe so I bought it. I get alot of work done that I could not afford to get done otherwise.
As a retired diesel mechanic and small farm owner . You probably just the best advice I've ever heard about backhoes!!!
So any of you YUPPIES out there listening compact and subcompack tractors are not made for backhoe WORK!!!
Agree 100% regarding digging out stumps. Swimming pool size holes and you can’t get get rid of the stumps.
My dad also had a John Deere 500 series with the whole extension that he dug out a lot of stumps with. But that is a full size industrial backhoe.
I have operated several different brands of backhoes but I have never liked them.
I love running mini excavators. I wish my dad would have had one of those too. I ran his Ferguson most of the time.
I am new to the tractor world. I have a TYM T265 backhoe with subframe. Love it. I have so many jobs lined up. Can’t wait to get a thumb for it and am finding it hard to get one here in Australia. We are going to build a fish pond with lots of fairly large rocks and this is going to save my back a million. I have hugelkulturs to dig and causeways to fix after the floods here in Queensland Australia. It’s heaps good mate. I reckon ya gotta build a bigger shed, then you’ll be right mate. Cheers
Yeah, I didn't get through the whole video. Love the channel but I bought an L2501 with a BH77 backhoe. Easy to store, not that I do, it makes a hell of a ballast weight and I use it all the time. Its easy to get on and off -- about 2-3 minutes with a rolling platform I made for it. I have dug up oak stumps that were 24 -36 inches in diameter. It takes a while but just renting an excavator is 400 a day. If it takes me all day to go slow and do it right. Well, I made my tractor payment but for the whole month.
Best tractor implements I own in order. The bucket. The backhoe. The grapple. The box blade. The auger. I use these all the time.
I just bought the same set up about 2 months ago. I use forks and backhoe the most! Nice rig buddy
Burning stumps is my go to method. The previous owner of my property used to cut enough cedar every year to pay the property taxes and would cut out dead cherry, oak, walnut, etc for fire wood for both him and his nephew. That means hundreds of stumps from trees that take for ever to rot. Put a couple 3/4 - 1" holes drilled into them to create a chimney, soak them with diesel for a few days, drop a match down the holes, and let it burn. It's a lot less work and leaves a lot less mess than digging out or grinding.
I have a 3 point backhoe we use on our 5065e John Deere. It is a pita! But it isn't too bad. But while in use the upper link broke and dang near crushed the operator. We bought a lower cost unit but it works well just wish I would have opted for the PTO driven pump instead of running it off the hydraulics.
I don't get the backhoe deal especially the little ones. I would much rather rent a full size one as needed and spend that money on other attachments or better yet a bigger tractor.
I own 100 acres and my case 530 backhoe is the piece of equipment I use the most. Tree clearing, brush clearing, yard maintenance, leveling, waterway, water crossing, and roadway maintenance are what I use it for. It is by far the most versatile piece of equipment I have. I use it much more than just a standard tractor.
I'm an owner of a subcompact backhoe with no regrets of my purchase. I have used it for several small tasks and realize that there are limitations to what you can accomplish with it. For one big project I did a few years ago I had to borrow a full size machine, I knew the limits of my machine and needed more reach. Removing small stumps or shrubs is not difficult at all and the remaining hole is easier to deal with than the mess left by grinding. I don't own a stump grinder so my experience is limited to hiring someone who does. The results have been successful but made a mess and left a low spot that had to be filled in. Removal or installation takes just a few minutes on mine. I would mostly agree with your assessment of the subject particularly on the storage and cost aspects. That said when I trade in my current tractor, the next one will still be backhoe equipped. Great points you made in the video and applicable for most people.
Thanks for the video from Australia, I've got a 23s subcompact great little toy but I use the mid deck mower a lot as well as the FEL and Backhoe, I don't have a concrete pad and my 5 acres is very rough so takes a good 40 minutes to change everything around and yes it is a total pain when doing it twice a week but it's mainly the mower I don't like taking off and on as it's quite heavy for someone with a crook back. If I could turn back the clock I'd buy a separate mower and a bigger tractor with Backhoe and FEL and just leave them on as they are pretty handy.
Backhoes are great for landscapers and people using machines in the construction industry, been using mine since 1986 been great for me
Yes and no Mike, we started with a jd 855 #7 hoe worked flawlessly but getting older, worried about parts availability. Sold unit and bought yanmar yt235 with bh75 another good purchase. We don't now have a lot of work left to do, but so so handy to have for us and extended family. Paid off in 8 months so there's no drag on us, but yes we do have a few attachments. Full frame attachment, and I'm getting quicker on and off. Like yesterday night I made roller carts for both air compressors, vertical one I managed myself, large horizontal I had to have Deb come out and raise up with loader so I could slide cart underneath, she still needs practice gently lowering the loader boom.. wow, that was close...
And yes I have written plans drawn up for a backhoe roller cart in the next couple weeks or so. We moved here in 92 and the previous owner used the surrounding close area as a automotive junk collection site. Loading my landscape trailer over and over by hand. A year or two later I bought the john deere 855 loader/backhoe, thought I died and went to heaven after using that instead of biceps. Funny thing I travel to Nanticoke, Ontario every week and it seems every home has a tractor. One evening I took off backhoe on unlevel ground and did some neighbors tilling I promised and with a light it took me over an hour with my wife's help to remount the backhoe, extremely frustrating. Love having the ability to do lifting or dirt work if need be.
I never had a Tractor mounted backhoe for the reasons you mentioned- and i bought a JD 970 in '98 which didn't offer one at the time anyway... but I found I did need a backhoe. In 2011 I found a cheap CAT rubber tire 416B and fell in love with it. Had a 4 in one bucket 4wd, extend-a-hoe, you name it, and the thing was just so useful over the years (although I think I changed every hose on the damn thing). I built a small pond, cleared probably 3-4 acres and generally used it as much as I could for water/electrical, moving trees for firewood, etc..... anything I couldn't do with the JD970. I sold it last year for basically what I paid for it- using the money to help pay for a new Yanmar 47HP tractor. Unfortunately- I quickly realized that I still need a backhoe- I have some old horses that will eventually have to be laid down that the Yanmar loader couldn't really get done. I guess you could theoretically, but it would take some digging! So, I bought a mini ex (again- a cheap JD35g!). I explored the yanmar BH option- but it was half what the cheap min-ex was, and the mini ex is def a better option than any tractor mounted backhoe I've ever seen. What bugged me was not being able to move debris around- as mini ex's are snails compared to that old rubber tire backhoe! My answer was to buy a 4-1 bucket for the Yanmar and now I'm good to go! I''ll probably eventually sell the JD-35g.... probably for what I bought it for. :) Love the channel, man- I may have to start one myself. lol.
G'day Mike.
I got a tractor/ backhoe extremely cheaply, it is chinese though......
Only about 5 years old with under 500hrs from a training provider.
Needed an engine rebuild after the engine was dusted because a student didn't refit the air filter correctly.
With slasher and engine rebuild and backhoe. Total costs including tractor itself under $3000.00, about $2300 in your money. I was in the right place at the right time, they wanted it gone
I can report it can dig a hole for a horse, no pretty way of getting it in there though.
I'm a earthworks operator and quarry manager and your reasons are very valid.
Had the backhoe not come with the tractor, theres no way I'd buy one. You'd have to be earning a living to justify the costs. 8K (almost 6k in US dollars) for the one I got with the tractor.
I know I'll almost never use it so I'm already thinking of trying to sell it.
Most people I know are your average hobby farmer with little to no operating experience. They just don't get the limitations and stresses a small tractor backhoe has and potentially causes, especially through inexperience.
Great vids Mate
I would have to agree as to why I also haven’t bought a BH as an implement. I’ve also been told using it with force past its limitations can break a compact tractor in half. They make kits you can add as a stabilizer. I almost bought a Kubota B21 which is a tractor with a dedicated backhoe that was made back in the 2000’s. I heard good things about it and it got good reviews. I ended up buying a subcompact Kubota KX-41 mini excavator and absolutely love it. I use it all the time for my line of work. I agree about the work involved removing a stump. I have a stump bucket for my skid steer. After exposing the trunk and roots I make cut marks with a chainsaw and pry out the stump with the stump bucket. I have a thumb on the stump bucket so when I am done it is easy to load up the debris into my dump trailer.