Hey Ben, thanks for another great tutorial on making kiting safer and more fun. I love your explanations and footage. One thing I would like to add from a video by Steven Akkersdijk about vertical take-offs is to not send the kite too fast as it otherwise remains in front of you and will lead to jumps with a horizontal component. I have seen this many times when people try transitioning. Just a food for thought and I know, there is a combination of many techniques required for a perfect lift-off (edging, sending the kite, popping and pulling the bar in, all at the right timing). For me, sending the kite not too fast really helped me tremendously getting the other things lined up much better and launching more vertically. Cheers for your videos once more and all the best to you!
Nice video. I don‘t agree with „the later the safer“, you should definitely feel power vertical. If you miss the point of peek and you try a power loop while you are falling down, say goodby. Personally i think you have to feel enough power in the lines and the whole system bevor initiate the loop, to avoid slack in the lines, also realising the bar after the loop helps a lot, so looping a bit earlier than to too late works better for me (Kite is 9 Enduro with25m lines), because you got more pressure left. Another thing that helped me a lot is the positioning of the kite bevor initiate the loop, let me explain that, when your kite is directly above your head and you initiate the loop, the kite won‘t get that deep into power zone and catches you mutch more early. Whereas the kite will go deeper into the power zone and needs more time to catch you again, when you initiate the loop while the kite sits deeper in the power zone. … hope that makes sense.
Omg Ben, you nailed it with this one. This was exactly what I was looking for. Super funny and very informative. The "slack" moment made me laugh so hard.
Hey Ben, thank you so much for this tip!! I have my first big air competition here in Thailand, jump 2m waive on right.😝 will loop “the later the safer” 💪🏼
Hey Ben! Thank you for the well explained video, reminds of el Delta! First Elevator then whip the bar! Keep producing these amazing videos and enjoy your ride! Max
Very helpful ! Thank you for these tips Ben ! 👌 I managed to send my first real kiteloops (last video on my channel) thanks in particular to your advices in your kiteloops tutos ! The later is the safer is a very good advice, it also allows you to check that you are well balanced before sending the kiteloop because sometimes, if you want to send a kiteloop too much, you can make the mistake to sending it while the edge and the beginning of the jump is not perfect, pulling the loop later can correct this problem. 🤙
Usually I would agree with "later the safer", but there is an exception to this rule. If you are under 20 feet (4-7 meter range), the later you loop the kite it will not have time to come around and catch you. You will land very hard and the kite will not even partially catch you, if you are looping in this lower range I think it is better to loop it early so you know the feeling of the power of the kite, and also you may have a chance of the kite coming back to 12 and catching you. Also I am not sure if you mentioned it, but a HUGE tip in my progression was to sheet out. Once you learn to sheet out when your kite comes back to 12, it will open up the kite and allow it more wind to catch you. I was eating shit time and time again, because I was afraid of not looping the kite all the way around I kept the bar sheeted in even after I had finished the loop and consequently the kite never caught me. Great video as always Ben, my back mobes are improving, will send you a clip of one soon.
Hey, thank you for your feedback. This is very interesting for most of us, even if I have a different experience (regarding the hights that is needed to loop late…)
So good you explained the difference between flat and waves. 9 weeks ago I broke 7 bones in my foot (Lisfranc fracture) with a kiteloop from a wave in 20knts. With a good wave and enouch speed, you can screw up your edge/takeoff and still get decent hight. It went well 2 times, 3th time I screwt up my takeoff and it did not catch al all and I was stupid to land it on my board. Now im hoping that they dont have to lock the bones in my foot. I also think that the more wind, the saver you are. Kiteloops are super addictive, you have to be strikt to yourself to not loop in lower wind. Btw, I did not think the landing would be that hard, so in doubt, just crash it, dont try to land.
About the ''butter landings'' it's good to know, they are easier to get on a 9m or a 10m. While the recovery of the kite itself works better on a 7m or a 8m. If a bigger kite recovers it will lift more during the landing...
Can you confirm that you mean a vertical take is better than a take off that goes downwind toward the kite? If that is what you meant can you explain how a takeoff with a lot of forward movement (across the wind, not down wind) effects the kiteloop compared to a take off that does not have forward movement but is more like a transition jump (straight up only with no forward direction of travel)?
very nice! I'm getting spoiled by your great vids - I was waiting for the " three things you can practice" you have had on some of your your other vids ;-)
Thank you for the feedback 😊🙌 This time you also have 2 things to practise. 1. Timing of the loop 2. Takeoff But I agree, it‘s more knowledge than a fun trick 😋
hallo Ben, danke für das coole Video. ich frage mich immerworauf es ankommt in welche richtung man den heliloop danach macht. praktisch wäre ja die entgegengesätzte zum kiteloop dann wären ja die leinen wieder "entdreht"
Hi, thanks for the very useful tips. I have a very specific question. Is it posilbe to achieve a kiteloop with the kite catching you on a gts4 11m on 22 m lines in around 20-22 kn? I dont know if thats relevant but i weight 70 kg. Thanks for in advance
Hey Ben , thanks for take time for edit this titurial , very well explained, allways funny , thanks for all the details , watch you in the Next videos 😀💪
I'd also add the info about kite sizes. As I noticed, the smaller kite the faster it recovers resulting in a safer kiteloop. I would not try to do a kiteloop in the air with a kite bigger than 10m unless it's some sort of a kite that's super fast.
Thank you for the feedback and infos. Of course smaller kites recover faster, but they also have downsides. I agree this could absolutely be mentioned in the video aswell… 😊🙌
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 FANTASTIC!!!!! It wold be interested to know how to use the bar to do a small and rapid kite loop..... Does the bar have to be fully pulled and become parallel to the lines?
@@BenBeholzVlogs There is one more thing that is difficult for me to understand. If I pull the bar fully the kite will tend to go into the power zone. But we know that the power zone is where the kite has the most power. So wouldn't it be better to just pull the bar halfway so the kite will stay more overhead? and so it will do more as a propeller to make me land softly and I will not be dragged forward .... In other words, wouldn't it be better, safer, to tilt (bend) the bar all to one side but pull it only halfway? Thank you
Nice video Ben, i see you sheeting out after the loop. Is this necessary after the loop to get the kite above you? Or only with smaller kites. My biggest fear is going in a rotation when pulling the loop. Any tips to avoid that? I’m comfortable with downloop landings on both sides, and jumping 10m+ regularly, so kiteloops have to happen now 😅
Hey, thank you. If you depower the bar the kite will recover faster. I recommend you to start with very late kiteloop. Always make sure to power the bar completely and pull in one side as much as possible. Than do the loops a little earlier every time… 😊🙌
Hey, for freestyle I put the kite on the slowest setting and I mainly use 24m lines. For bigair I use the medium setting and I prefer 22m lines… Was that helpfull for you ?
@@BenBeholzVlogs Thanks for the reply. So 10 m - 12m jumps and below safe to have on Slow turn with 24 m lines Even if you are doing loops? You go for faster turns and shorter lines with jumps beyond the 12 m?
@@johnnykhawand ahh sorry, you wrote hooked freestyle. I somehow read unhooked freestyle. For hooked freesryle I use 22m lines and medium setting aswell. But it works on 24m lines good aswell…
Usually yes to rescue the kite. But it‘s not a trick and it‘s not needed all the time. If it’s needed or not depends to a lot of different things… But you‘ll get a feeling for this fast.
Awesome video - one thing though - If you pull the trigger too late u will also drop hard, won't you? I guess its about pulling it not too soon but not too late isn't it? Personally I find smaller kites raise up much quicker.
Hey Ben you re the person we are all jealous of. 🤙 Now from your experience what’s the minimum size kite to megaloop?? And the minimum maybe jumping height? I tried 2-3 times with my dice 12m jumping about to 8-9 metres and and i wasnt fast enough to complete the kiteloop. I slammed on surface. 😏
Hey, first of all thank you for your feedback :) You can loop 12m but it's definitely easier on a 7,8 or 9m. In the beginning I would recommend you a 8m, this kite should recover very fast... Was that helpful for you ?
@@BenBeholzVlogs you say that easy. I have a 9 m and thats it. Now i have to find the knots to fly this kite. In my area is rare and with my 96 kg. 😏🤙😋 Thanx by the way. I needed the confirmation that a 12m can megaloop.
I wish you all a „safe“ progression 😊🤘
Hey Ben, thanks for another great tutorial on making kiting safer and more fun. I love your explanations and footage. One thing I would like to add from a video by Steven Akkersdijk about vertical take-offs is to not send the kite too fast as it otherwise remains in front of you and will lead to jumps with a horizontal component. I have seen this many times when people try transitioning. Just a food for thought and I know, there is a combination of many techniques required for a perfect lift-off (edging, sending the kite, popping and pulling the bar in, all at the right timing). For me, sending the kite not too fast really helped me tremendously getting the other things lined up much better and launching more vertically. Cheers for your videos once more and all the best to you!
That‘s a great tip for most riders. Thank you !
Wow..Thank you.....
As a newbie, I started jumping comfortably and the kiteloop is one of techniques I want to work on !!
Wish you tons of fun and good times progressing 😊🙌
Nice video. I don‘t agree with „the later the safer“, you should definitely feel power vertical. If you miss the point of peek and you try a power loop while you are falling down, say goodby. Personally i think you have to feel enough power in the lines and the whole system bevor initiate the loop, to avoid slack in the lines, also realising the bar after the loop helps a lot, so looping a bit earlier than to too late works better for me (Kite is 9 Enduro with25m lines), because you got more pressure left. Another thing that helped me a lot is the positioning of the kite bevor initiate the loop, let me explain that, when your kite is directly above your head and you initiate the loop, the kite won‘t get that deep into power zone and catches you mutch more early. Whereas the kite will go deeper into the power zone and needs more time to catch you again, when you initiate the loop while the kite sits deeper in the power zone. … hope that makes sense.
Thank you for your feedback. Have you tried it later already ?
The kiteloop can be turned into a landingloop than…
All best !
Omg Ben, you nailed it with this one. This was exactly what I was looking for. Super funny and very informative. The "slack" moment made me laugh so hard.
Thank you for the feedback! Wish you a fun progression 😊🤘
Super helpful! Thanks Ben
Hey Ben, thank you so much for this tip!! I have my first big air competition here in Thailand, jump 2m waive on right.😝 will loop “the later the safer” 💪🏼
Yeah ! Good luck bro
Hey Ben! Thank you for the well explained video, reminds of el Delta! First Elevator then whip the bar! Keep producing these amazing videos and enjoy your ride! Max
Thank you for the feedback 😊🙌 I had you in mind while I did this video 🙌 I hope your loops got even better now 👊🤘
Very helpful ! Thank you for these tips Ben ! 👌
I managed to send my first real kiteloops (last video on my channel) thanks in particular to your advices in your kiteloops tutos !
The later is the safer is a very good advice, it also allows you to check that you are well balanced before sending the kiteloop because sometimes, if you want to send a kiteloop too much, you can make the mistake to sending it while the edge and the beginning of the jump is not perfect, pulling the loop later can correct this problem. 🤙
Thank you ! Will watch the video for sure 😊🙌
Thank you Ben! I didn't even imagine all this things! very useful to know from an expert like you !
Thank you for the feedback. I‘m happy you learned something new 😊🙌
Usually I would agree with "later the safer", but there is an exception to this rule. If you are under 20 feet (4-7 meter range), the later you loop the kite it will not have time to come around and catch you. You will land very hard and the kite will not even partially catch you, if you are looping in this lower range I think it is better to loop it early so you know the feeling of the power of the kite, and also you may have a chance of the kite coming back to 12 and catching you. Also I am not sure if you mentioned it, but a HUGE tip in my progression was to sheet out. Once you learn to sheet out when your kite comes back to 12, it will open up the kite and allow it more wind to catch you. I was eating shit time and time again, because I was afraid of not looping the kite all the way around I kept the bar sheeted in even after I had finished the loop and consequently the kite never caught me. Great video as always Ben, my back mobes are improving, will send you a clip of one soon.
Hey,
thank you for your feedback. This is very interesting for most of us, even if I have a different experience (regarding the hights that is needed to loop late…)
So good you explained the difference between flat and waves. 9 weeks ago I broke 7 bones in my foot (Lisfranc fracture) with a kiteloop from a wave in 20knts. With a good wave and enouch speed, you can screw up your edge/takeoff and still get decent hight. It went well 2 times, 3th time I screwt up my takeoff and it did not catch al all and I was stupid to land it on my board. Now im hoping that they dont have to lock the bones in my foot. I also think that the more wind, the saver you are. Kiteloops are super addictive, you have to be strikt to yourself to not loop in lower wind. Btw, I did not think the landing would be that hard, so in doubt, just crash it, dont try to land.
I‘m super sorry for you. I hope you‘ll be shredding soon again. Yes, the recovery works better in stronger wind…
All Best !
Thanks this helped a lot
Thank you for great advice Ben! 🤙
pleasure 😊🙌
Super helpful as always dude!
Super happy to hear this 😊🙌
Super Video. Wenn ich mit Kiteloops beginne, werde ich das im Kopf haben!
Mega! Bei Fragen immer gerne melden, auch per pn :)
Rarely do I get the “butter” landings when I kiteloop. This video gives me some new confidence to crack the kiteloop code.... Thanks
About the ''butter landings'' it's good to know, they are easier to get on a 9m or a 10m. While the recovery of the kite itself works better on a 7m or a 8m.
If a bigger kite recovers it will lift more during the landing...
Thx for your gr8 vid.
Slack ligne only when you go to much forward !
I learned to do kite loops on land when I met the PushKiting dudes. That was scary. So glad I managed to do a 'safe' kite loop 😂
Can you confirm that you mean a vertical take is better than a take off that goes downwind toward the kite? If that is what you meant can you explain how a takeoff with a lot of forward movement (across the wind, not down wind) effects the kiteloop compared to a take off that does not have forward movement but is more like a transition jump (straight up only with no forward direction of travel)?
Your Videos getting more professional every time. Thumps Up 👍👍👍
Thank you Johannes :) Wish you some strong föhn-days at home :)
Thanks 🙏🏻
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very nice! I'm getting spoiled by your great vids - I was waiting for the " three things you can practice" you have had on some of your your other vids ;-)
Thank you for the feedback 😊🙌 This time you also have 2 things to practise.
1. Timing of the loop
2. Takeoff
But I agree, it‘s more knowledge than a fun trick 😋
hallo Ben, danke für das coole Video. ich frage mich immerworauf es ankommt in welche richtung man den heliloop danach macht. praktisch wäre ja die entgegengesätzte zum kiteloop dann wären ja die leinen wieder "entdreht"
Hey, ja das stimmt… Im gerunde hat es mit der Körper position und der Kiteposition nach dem Loop zu tun. Ich entscheide das meist spontan… lg
Hi, thanks for the very useful tips. I have a very specific question. Is it posilbe to achieve a kiteloop with the kite catching you on a gts4 11m on 22 m lines in around 20-22 kn? I dont know if thats relevant but i weight 70 kg.
Thanks for in advance
hey man. Possible but I don't recommend. For that wind speed, you're better off on a 8m
Hey Ben , thanks for take time for edit this titurial , very well explained, allways funny , thanks for all the details , watch you in the Next videos 😀💪
Thank you ! I‘m back in Spain btw. 😋
@@BenBeholzVlogs see you here 💪💪💪💪😀
Very useful 👌
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I'd also add the info about kite sizes. As I noticed, the smaller kite the faster it recovers resulting in a safer kiteloop. I would not try to do a kiteloop in the air with a kite bigger than 10m unless it's some sort of a kite that's super fast.
Thank you for the feedback and infos. Of course smaller kites recover faster, but they also have downsides. I agree this could absolutely be mentioned in the video aswell… 😊🙌
This is a great video.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 FANTASTIC!!!!! It wold be interested to know how to use the bar to do a small and rapid kite loop..... Does the bar have to be fully pulled and become parallel to the lines?
Thank you ! In general the more you power the bar and the more you pull in one side = the faster and smaller the loop
@@BenBeholzVlogs so this type fo kiteloop (small and fast) is the safest .... yes or not? Thanks
@@and10101 exactely…
@@BenBeholzVlogs There is one more thing that is difficult for me to understand. If I pull the bar fully the kite will tend to go into the power zone.
But we know that the power zone is where the kite has the most power. So wouldn't it be better to just pull the bar halfway so the kite will stay more overhead? and so it will do more as a propeller to make me land softly and I will not be dragged forward ....
In other words, wouldn't it be better, safer, to tilt (bend) the bar all to one side but pull it only halfway?
Thank you
Nice video Ben, i see you sheeting out after the loop. Is this necessary after the loop to get the kite above you? Or only with smaller kites.
My biggest fear is going in a rotation when pulling the loop. Any tips to avoid that?
I’m comfortable with downloop landings on both sides, and jumping 10m+ regularly, so kiteloops have to happen now 😅
Hey,
thank you. If you depower the bar the kite will recover faster. I recommend you to start with very late kiteloop. Always make sure to power the bar completely and pull in one side as much as possible. Than do the loops a little earlier every time… 😊🙌
In general with the GTS for hooked freestyle and looping what settings you use? All freestyle or you put on faster steering like the medium all round?
Hey, for freestyle I put the kite on the slowest setting and I mainly use 24m lines. For bigair I use the medium setting and I prefer 22m lines…
Was that helpfull for you ?
@@BenBeholzVlogs Thanks for the reply. So 10 m - 12m jumps and below safe to have on Slow turn with 24 m lines Even if you are doing loops? You go for faster turns and shorter lines with jumps beyond the 12
m?
@@johnnykhawand ahh sorry, you wrote hooked freestyle. I somehow read unhooked freestyle.
For hooked freesryle I use 22m lines and medium setting aswell. But it works on 24m lines good aswell…
@@BenBeholzVlogs Cools thanks for the help!
Ahh just send it and hang on!!! Just kidding great video Ben.
Haha 😂 #nopainnogain 😋
Do you always heli loop for landing after a mega loop ?
Usually yes to rescue the kite. But it‘s not a trick and it‘s not needed all the time. If it’s needed or not depends to a lot of different things… But you‘ll get a feeling for this fast.
Awesome video - one thing though - If you pull the trigger too late u will also drop hard, won't you? I guess its about pulling it not too soon but not too late isn't it? Personally I find smaller kites raise up much quicker.
Hey,
this depends on the kiteposition befor you start looping. If your kite is still at 12 and you pull it too late it will be a landing loop only...
nice animations :D
haha - thanks !
Very good video!
Thank you !
9qm und 20 knoten ok. 12qm und 16 knoten impossible right?
DO NOT even think about looping a 12m. Its for very advance riders. 20-22kts its the sweet spot for a 9m with 22m lines.
Hey Ben you re the person we are all jealous of. 🤙
Now from your experience what’s the minimum size kite to megaloop?? And the minimum maybe jumping height? I tried 2-3 times with my dice 12m jumping about to 8-9 metres and and i wasnt fast enough to complete the kiteloop. I slammed on surface. 😏
Hey,
first of all thank you for your feedback :) You can loop 12m but it's definitely easier on a 7,8 or 9m. In the beginning I would recommend you a 8m, this kite should recover very fast...
Was that helpful for you ?
@@BenBeholzVlogs you say that easy. I have a 9 m and thats it. Now i have to find the knots to fly this kite. In my area is rare and with my 96 kg. 😏🤙😋 Thanx by the way. I needed the confirmation that a 12m can megaloop.
Witzige Animationen :D
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