Grigori Perelman and the Poincare Conjecture | Jordan Ellenberg and Lex Fridman
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Lex! Get Grigori on your podcast!! You can do it!!
he cant
In order to achieve true greatness, one must aspire to unrealistic things, but even then there are absolute impossibilities, like spitting and hitting the Moon or getting Perelman to a podcast.
He can't
He can!
@@topdog5252 't*
I watched every possible documentary about Perelman and noticed that he never interviewed and he doesn’t want to be bothered about the price, eventually I came to conclusion that it was only the math that matters to him.
Think about it, this man worked and put his mind for almost a decade to come with completely new thing and after he reviled it to the world and it was fascinating for all mathematicians, a person might feel an emptiness that he will never repeat it again, and then others coming to him and suggest a reword and he is completely in a different place in his life, he brought a huge thing that there is no reword that can fill this emptiness. This is how I saw it after watching the path he went thru.
Hope I’m not to mystical 😅
I believe perlman rejected the prize because the guy (Richard Hamilton?) who came up with Richie flow was not going to be honored and recognized. Perlman refused the prize because he felt part of the work wasn't his, and as a result, he does not have a right to claim the reward for himself. I guess he could have also given part of the cash to the guy, but such prized are more than about $. Perlman is a man who lives by principles he does not violate, the same principles, which helped him solve this riddle in the frist place.
well that's just subjective. Most works today are based on someone else's work before them.
Getting rich from richy flow 😂
(Ricci)
Rumor
@zsonohanz, you Americans and British will never understand Perelman or similar people. he is above all Americans, you only think of money while he is far beyond our limits and understanding. He is a proper soviet mathematicians and soviet was full of these type of people.
@@krakenex9948 it seems you want to justify yourself for something you did lol
So insanely cool to see Jordan on this podcast.
If I’m not mistaken, Perelman also declined the Millennium Prize and its $1M USD award besides just the Fields medal. He explained it as unfair to Hamilton (and others?) whose Ricci Flow analytical achievements were just as deserving of any fame & fortune.
From Wikipedia, for what it’s worth…
“The Poincaré conjecture, before being proved, was one of the most important open questions in topology. In 2000, it was named one of the seven Millennium Prize Problems, for which the Clay Mathematics Institute offered a $1 million prize for the first correct solution. Perelman's work survived review and was confirmed in 2006, leading to his being offered a Fields Medal, which he declined. Perelman was awarded the Millennium Prize on March 18, 2010.[6] On July 1, 2010, he turned down the prize, saying that he believed his contribution in proving the Poincaré conjecture was no greater than Hamilton's.[7][8] As of 2021, the Poincaré conjecture is the only solved Millennium problem.”
The reasoning makes no sense to me. He could've just given x% to Hamilton
@@Sui_Generis0that's because you aren't at his level. He is the one who won it. You didn't.
@@zah936 what a reductive thing to comment
I thinks he understands that his work was a continuation of Hamilton's idea and maybe Hamilton did most important steps.
He not only rejected the prize, he said no to 1 million dollars .
He probably rejected Lex's invite too. Genius!
Grigori’s proof was about 100 pages, each page had teams of Mathematicians to assess and check every detail, they found this to be extremely difficult and Yau’s students were involved in fleshing out the proofs, Perelman just didn’t go into every detail but was annoyed because Yau starting playing Politics claiming his students also solved P.
The real genius of his proof was to use a geometrical argument instead of a Topological one. It was always thought this could only be done using Topology and with Thurston running through every unsolved proof in Topology, it was expected he would solve Poincare easily but it proved impossible via Topology.
What's the difference between geometry and topology?
Hi, Lex!
Is it possible that you can just invite Perelman into your podcast, or just contact him somehow?
He is your countryman, no?
It would be great that if you talk to each other, in Russian!
Thank you, as always, for all these great podcast!
You are disturbing me, I am picking mushrooms.
a) Perelman is not the type to put it mildly.
b) Lex’ Russian is not that good, from what I remember hearing, ok to talk to grandma and order food, but not a podcast with a recluse mathematician.
Get Perelman, Musk, Tao, and Witten in the same room
@@pavelg4990 Perelman speaks English fluently. He worked in the US for several years and his proof of the Poincaré conjecture was written in English. Language wouldn't be a barrier. But yeah, it is very unlikely that it would ever happen due to Perelman's exclusivity. It would be pretty cool though.
@@Neonb88 Musk is nowhere near the other's levels.
But according to UA-cam Captions it's the Pancreas Conjecture.
Perelman is badass and the rejection is a big F you to how all these awards become corrupt over time and no longer do justice to the point they were created for in the first place. As an example, Obama winning Nobel Peace Prize.
I agree 100%
Agreed
Le X's a postulate, if a priori as a matter of conjecture precedes an uncertainty to a Truth thence an posterion could be factored or simply "Putin."
I had a hard time finding how Poincaré was just from hearing the name over and over in the podcast x)
Jordan Ellenberg was great in the British TV show "IT crowd"
He's there to drink milk and kick ass, and he's all out of milk.
Get grigori on your show
The man is a Genius
Lex get it! (Let’s get it, get it?)
Sigma rule #1729: Solve a hundred year old problem with 1 million dollar prize money. Reject the money.
Rule #1729. Interesting number there, I see.
Perelman declined the prize because the foundations of his proof were based on Hamiltons work, therefore its sometimes called Hamilton-Perelman theory of Ricci flow by other scientists too. There is no Perelman without Hamilton
I’m lost, it was clearly documented, Yau (Calabi Yau) tried to claim that one of students also jointly proved Poincare. He was disgusted by the entire Mathematics ‘system’ after this.
Y’a remember grigori saying that was the reason
The answer usually is buried deeper than an original question.
"He may have become a little bit cynical about the processes of science.'
Okay, but can I build a house with it?
This is like listening to two dorks argue over Harry Potter canon.
How can two such smart people talking about such a smart subject not know why he turned it down? Do some research.
Lex, when you first said Grigori Perelman's name, I thought that you said "That goy Perelman." This only confirms the fact that I need to have my coffee before I listen to your outstanding podcasts.
I promise to listen more carefully next time . . .
unknown genius solved a a century problem .. literally unknown
Are his eyebrows connected or do they remain disjoint sets? Top mathematicians are working on the problem.
8:30 Maybe you have met assholes, but has any of them taken your work, rephrase it a little and try to pass it on as theirs? And not just that, they get caught, try to say they are "bettering your work" and noone cares? Worse than "noone cares", they stay the Dean of Mathematics in Harvard and face no repercussions. Of course Perelman is is a non-typical character, but this whole ordeal would be enough for anyone to be disgusted with their community.
Speaking that someone has enough money and for this reason can decline the award is definitely not about Perelman. The quest is ignorant measuring things based on his own culture!
Agreed
True scientist! Nothing else matters...
Частенько слышу от математиков в России, что деньги не важны, а важна математика.
Можно процитировать Саватеева, что математику нет смысла гнаться за деньгами, так как если он хороший математик он всегда сможет их заработать.
Я не уверен, что это была мотивация Перельмана, но определенные умонастроения такие витают.
П.С. когда я работал конструктором в Роскосмосе, многие конструктора тоже выражали аналогичные умонастроения ЛОЛ. Но Аэрокосмическая отрасль не обладает такой универсальностью как математика, поэтому тут я с ними не мог согласится
He turned it down because he wanted Hamilton credited as well and the fields medal would have only gone to him
There is an article that investigates Ricci flows work of Perelman and the White paper of Bitcoin to propose that Perelman might be Satoshi.
That would be fucking epic
Invite Perelman on
Dude doesn't do interviews or leave his mother's home
@@InTrancedState Based.
Perelman plays chess now.
@@jyotishrajthoudam 😢 didn't he learn from Bobby Fischer? Chess is a black hole for the genius.
@@lyrimetacurl0 Fischer was just a terrible person to begin with, there are dozens of grandmasters at his level or higher that didn't act like crazy divas the same way Bobby did
I thought Perelman turned down the prize because it was also not given to Hamilton...Lex eludes to this toward the end
Well, take the million then and share it! Take the medal, cut it in two parts and send a half to Hamilton.
@@u.v.s.5583it's not the same thing. It's incredibly humiliating for the other person
Imagine Pierre Curie accepted the Nobel because Marie was his wife and this would have been a joint income. Nah! He refused.
@@zah936 It's ok to refuse. I'd have accepted, and I'd be angry with my husband if I was his wife and he refused a bunch of money because that bunch of money didn't have my name on it.
For some reason it feels like this dude is wearing a bow tie but isn't
Prove that you are a Russian by bringing Grisha in your podcast🙂
who's that ?
Grisha is short for Grigori Perelman. That’s what his mom and friends use to call him. Read the book “Perfect Rigor” by massa gessen.
So perelman refused $1000.000,- price money oops!
so Perelman solved the Poincare Conjecture, a geometrical topological problem, by using a geometry of geometries, i.e. a meta-geometry. nice...
Fuck your my money lex. If you don’t get Grigori on your podcast
To me, an award or a Prize is an honor much more than money associated with it.
This guy is terrified of eye contact
A Russian Jew came to the USA and was disillusioned. In his paper, Finite extinction time for the solutions to the Ricci flow on certain three-manifolds Perlman states, "whether the solution becomes extinct in finite time for every initial metric on a manifold of this type. In this note we prove that this is indeed the case." He wanted Hamilton to get equal credit for his contributing work. He did not want to be put on display as a lap dog of the Clay Institute.
My own thinking, world population becomes extinct in every case, except for those rare, inconvenient growths toward infinity in nearly zero time.
Perlman chose to live in poverty with his mother in Russia. How does this make sense otherwise?
MUSHROOMS GAVE HIM THE ANSWER
Leave me alone