+we are forever locked in our own room, unable to reach out, all we really get to experience is the representation of the world outside through the mind itself. Hence we are forever locked in our own mind.
Tempted to write a really long UA-cam comment delving into the intricacies of the locked room, however I cannot be bothered to, so this must suffice lol (no offense). In essence "The locked room" is simply the accurate observation that the brain is trapped inside of a locked and dark room. Namely the skull of a bipedal hominid, it's currently widely accepted in neuroscience that we "hallucinate" or in Cole's terminology dream up "reality". Mind you, this does not mean that the "outside" world is not "real" or can't harm you, there's some "causal" link between the dream and whatever is "outside" of said dream. (I put quotation marks around causality, because it's another rabbit hole entirely, if you are Humean you might deny causality altogether.). He points this out himself at 25:39. From Rust's viewpoint humans are unnatural! That is to say, trees do not question why, rocks don't hurt, most of the gruesome things in nature happen to blind and unconscious things. The other animals have some degree of awareness (I like to imagine it's a gradient.), however in man this awareness and reflection is heightened to such a degree that we are now separated from nature. We have an inner world; we question our place in nature and the universe at large. He says this himself during the car ride with Marty in episode 1(The rant begins 9:21 in your reaction to the first episode). "Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself". We are marionettes that labour under the illusion of being somebody, puppets that have come "alive", uncanny and unnatural things suffering for no reason. He also answers your question (27:33 in this video) during the same car ride with Marty, "why doesn't he just kill himself?". Because it's a part of his programming and a puppet constituted the way he is has yet to reach its threshold for suicide, so it keeps on living.
Literally one of the dumbest statements ever. The only way I ever sleep peacefully is when I know I am ready to use force (which is not the same as violence at all), even deadly, on my own behalf. Having other people being the only ones engaging in forceful behavior is a recipe for disaster and corruption where you'll quickly find yourself on the receiving end of actual violence; literally the diametric opposite of what would make any sane person sleep peacefully.
I see Marty as being unable to deal with a mature Maggie and his family so he is trying to get back to a younger version of Maggie by having the affair. Enjoying your reaction to this top notch show.
One of my favorite series of all time. Get ready for Episode 4. The show takes a detour, and it ends up being one of the finest hours of TV in history.
I will forever remember watching this show when it came out, glued to my chair and fascinated by the world and the characters in this show. But when episode 4 dropped, it seriously blew me away and I just wanted to desperately see more.
I really do appreciate that y’all are literarily literate enough to not be completely overwhelmed by Marty’s…issues. Your reaction is completely appropriate 😂 some reacters see him cheat and become completely blind to the character for the rest of the series
yeah there was one channel in particular where the incessant commentary on marty's relationship issues became insufferable. there's a rather unfortunate trend of late of people writing off any character with flaws, even huge ones, as irredeemable or villainous. marty's obviously a scumbag in a lot of ways, but he's also just a human being with human being sized problems, not some monster. there's good and decency in him too, and ultimately a lot of sadness. like maggie says at one point, he never learned what he actually wanted out of life, which meant he spent most of it screwing up while trying and failing to figure that out. i always thought the point of good storytelling, in any medium, was trying to present characters as three-dimensional as possible, and many if not most people are more screw-up than virtuous.
@@jessharvell1022eah, this is a big pet peeve of mine with certain reaction channels. It’s like they think it’s actually real life & don’t understand that these characters were WRITTEN to be this way in order to delve into certain aspects of humanity. It’s about figuring out what these characters are trying to tell us, not getting accolades for pointing out flaws in someone’s behavior. I see this is happening on a large scale & it’s the reason movies have become so boring. It’s like no one wants to see any negative facets of humanity. It just makes for incredibly uninteresting characters, who do & say nothing that might make a viewer uncomfortable. I mean, what are we doing? All that does is make it more difficult to understand people who are different from us. That’s what stories do. They show us other lives, both good and bad. They allow us to think about why a character does certain things. It helps us to empathize, not only with the characters, but with people in real life as well. The last thing we need right now is something that further erodes our ability to empathize with others.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 very well said. i try not to play the old man card too often, but it does seem to be a more prevalent tendency among younger people, and of course most reactors are in their 20s. i think it's probably a good thing overall that people are more thoughtful about the media they consume - people let a lot of gross stuff slide in the 80s/90s/00s in the name of being hip and edgy - but it's still very alien to me. people seem scandalized not only by purposefully transgressive films but movies that were huge mainstream hits.
Eric was on the money, there is a quote that comes up later... "he never really knew himself, so he never really knew what to want". Which honestly also hits home particularly hard haha
If you’re a nerd like me when you’re done with this season you’ll start to reflect with new perspective on Rust’s monologues throughout the season, and his “Locked Room” monologue is one of the absolute best ones
@@lagronemikal just made my wife watched it (she loved it of course) and it was my third viewing. Still picked things up, and got really excited for some of the things I knew were coming up that I even forgot were coming up during the second viewing.
My advice for this series is to just process and enjoy each episode, try to remember as much as you can, and don't try to figure it out, because you won't. Just soak it up and let it all unfold.
Okay, I've gotten in trouble elsewhere for saying this, but I'm going to remind you two. You have to remember that Marty's interviews with the detectives are not happening at the same time as his affair. The affair was in 1995 and the interview was in 2012, 17 years later. So it's not like he was saying that stuff to the detectives and then going out and cheating on his wife. Or is it? We shall see... I wish you'd post these more often. I look forward to them!
@@L4ftyOne A little tip: going overboard on how many shows are better only demonstrates what a hard-on you have against the original program. Doesn't exactly lend credibility. (particularly when you add some garbage shows to the list 😉)
The "locked room" Rust is talking about is the mind, hence why he's pointing to his head, where the brain is located. While the exact relationship between the brain and the mind remains a mystery, what we know from modern neuroscience is at the very least that everything we experience during our waking life is essentially a "controlled hallucination" (to use the words of Anil Seth), and still a construct of the mind, just as when we dream or hallucinate, except presumably reflecting reality more accurately (but even that might be wrong, we just don't know in the grand scheme of things). So this "locked room" refers to what's called the problem of other minds, which is that any individual conscious entity only has access to their own mind, and can this only infer what is going on in other people's minds, never experience it directly.
Oh.... What is COMING for YOU TWO... in the next episode (cue evil laugh....). I still hold that the dialogue between Marty and Rust is better than any other television show I have ever watched. "The Wire" remains my favorite crime drama, however, maybe that's because there are just more characters and more "of it." The dialogue in this show is just next level. @36:10 yes, wearing respiratory protection while making meth is very common. I was a DEA agent for 22 years and was certified to dismantle (and raid) clandestine laboratories. Odorless phosphine gas is one of the many deadly things which a meth lab can inadvertently produce if you screw up (that's actually what Walter White uses to kill the two guys in the RV in Season 1 of Breaking Bad by throwing red phosphorous into an open flame). There are also a myriad of other gases, acids, and solvents that can damage your respiratory system as well as eyes and mucous membranes. "Drugs are bad... m'kay?"
Omg brooo the next episode is and I truly believe this one of the best single episodes of television ever put together it’ll make your heart beat faster than overdosing on coke
Another great reaction by y'all! Really enjoy your appreciation for a great series!!! And being from Austin, Texas, the first beer you should try should be Shiner Bock.... 😁 🍺
The interesting thing they're doing with Rust's philosophy is that, while he's called himself a pessimist, and is expressing nihilistic ideas, he's really expressing the fears of a religious person. It's not at all an atheistic position, though he clearly appears atheist. Only the religious person fears the void, because it stands in stark contrast to the fantasy of the Big Rock Candy Mountain of heaven. Most atheists, at least those who've given thoughtful consideration to secular humanism, will recognize the wonders of *_this_* world and forego the magical promise of a next one. (As this is being written over a year later, there's little fear that last line being an allusion to the final episode could be construed as a spoiler).
I think Marty was being genuine to Maggie when he talked about not wanting to look down, but he was 100% also using that to deflect what she was actually asking him. He was using the reason to hide the action.
Having Fun Watching this with You Two. I think you would find The FX Series Fargo a good watch for your channel. The series has ties to the movie. For instance, you find out the origin of Chief Margie and what happened to the ransom money that was buried in the snow....
So.....yes and no. Marty was pushing the conversation with his wife off, but at the same time, he was being honest. If that makes sense? Due to the situation and style of the case that he and Rust are on, his own guilty conscience (the affair he's having) and other aspects. His emotions and feelings are true. While I do not condone his affair or abide that at all, which we all agree on. Also, we can tell that the affair started before this case, but focusing on his emotions and words in that short scene, I feel it was genuine. Kind of like a cry for help. I could keep going on this, but I feel like I am writing a novel, and I don't want to do that. If you want to discuss it, we definitely can.
You might've noticed something that is pretty disappointing to me, but Marty doesn't get nearly as much backstory as Rust in order to try and understand him as well and empathize with his choices.
For as morally fucked as Marty is when it comes to his marriage, he is not a manipulator. He constantly bounces between trying to be a better person and believing he is too weak to change before rationalizing his bad behavior. Marty is really just a flawed man who lacks the faith/power to be a better one. His experience seeing horrible things as a cop seems to be what as corroded him.
We needed a 6-pack of Lone Star after this one! 😵
so far, how does the season stack up in your overall show tier list?
As a Texan, lone star is delicious.
Or Old Milwaukee,nothin' snooty! 😁
Most beer aint vegan tho, so nah :D
You know why he started drinking, right? Anything Rust says in that interview isn't admissable.
The locked room is the mind. People can talk, but no one can ever truly know what's going on in there.
+we are forever locked in our own room, unable to reach out, all we really get to experience is the representation of the world outside through the mind itself. Hence we are forever locked in our own mind.
Tempted to write a really long UA-cam comment delving into the intricacies of the locked room, however I cannot be bothered to, so this must suffice lol (no offense). In essence "The locked room" is simply the accurate observation that the brain is trapped inside of a locked and dark room. Namely the skull of a bipedal hominid, it's currently widely accepted in neuroscience that we "hallucinate" or in Cole's terminology dream up "reality". Mind you, this does not mean that the "outside" world is not "real" or can't harm you, there's some "causal" link between the dream and whatever is "outside" of said dream. (I put quotation marks around causality, because it's another rabbit hole entirely, if you are Humean you might deny causality altogether.). He points this out himself at 25:39. From Rust's viewpoint humans are unnatural! That is to say, trees do not question why, rocks don't hurt, most of the gruesome things in nature happen to blind and unconscious things. The other animals have some degree of awareness (I like to imagine it's a gradient.), however in man this awareness and reflection is heightened to such a degree that we are now separated from nature. We have an inner world; we question our place in nature and the universe at large. He says this himself during the car ride with Marty in episode 1(The rant begins 9:21 in your reaction to the first episode). "Nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself". We are marionettes that labour under the illusion of being somebody, puppets that have come "alive", uncanny and unnatural things suffering for no reason. He also answers your question (27:33 in this video) during the same car ride with Marty, "why doesn't he just kill himself?". Because it's a part of his programming and a puppet constituted the way he is has yet to reach its threshold for suicide, so it keeps on living.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell
Literally one of the dumbest statements ever. The only way I ever sleep peacefully is when I know I am ready to use force (which is not the same as violence at all), even deadly, on my own behalf. Having other people being the only ones engaging in forceful behavior is a recipe for disaster and corruption where you'll quickly find yourself on the receiving end of actual violence; literally the diametric opposite of what would make any sane person sleep peacefully.
George Orwell way off the mark once again..
@@StreetHierarchy How?
@@cooleroconnor1718 Because people still don't sleep peacefully
I see Marty as being unable to deal with a mature Maggie and his family so he is trying to get back to a younger version of Maggie by having the affair. Enjoying your reaction to this top notch show.
True... Very True
One of my favorite series of all time. Get ready for Episode 4. The show takes a detour, and it ends up being one of the finest hours of TV in history.
I will forever remember watching this show when it came out, glued to my chair and fascinated by the world and the characters in this show. But when episode 4 dropped, it seriously blew me away and I just wanted to desperately see more.
I really do appreciate that y’all are literarily literate enough to not be completely overwhelmed by Marty’s…issues. Your reaction is completely appropriate 😂 some reacters see him cheat and become completely blind to the character for the rest of the series
yeah there was one channel in particular where the incessant commentary on marty's relationship issues became insufferable. there's a rather unfortunate trend of late of people writing off any character with flaws, even huge ones, as irredeemable or villainous. marty's obviously a scumbag in a lot of ways, but he's also just a human being with human being sized problems, not some monster. there's good and decency in him too, and ultimately a lot of sadness. like maggie says at one point, he never learned what he actually wanted out of life, which meant he spent most of it screwing up while trying and failing to figure that out. i always thought the point of good storytelling, in any medium, was trying to present characters as three-dimensional as possible, and many if not most people are more screw-up than virtuous.
@@jessharvell1022 I think I know the channel you're referring to and it was annoying. Their psychoanalysis of Marty was way off, in my opinion.
@@RoboSteave which one
@@jessharvell1022eah, this is a big pet peeve of mine with certain reaction channels. It’s like they think it’s actually real life & don’t understand that these characters were WRITTEN to be this way in order to delve into certain aspects of humanity. It’s about figuring out what these characters are trying to tell us, not getting accolades for pointing out flaws in someone’s behavior. I see this is happening on a large scale & it’s the reason movies have become so boring. It’s like no one wants to see any negative facets of humanity. It just makes for incredibly uninteresting characters, who do & say nothing that might make a viewer uncomfortable.
I mean, what are we doing? All that does is make it more difficult to understand people who are different from us. That’s what stories do. They show us other lives, both good and bad. They allow us to think about why a character does certain things. It helps us to empathize, not only with the characters, but with people in real life as well. The last thing we need right now is something that further erodes our ability to empathize with others.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 very well said. i try not to play the old man card too often, but it does seem to be a more prevalent tendency among younger people, and of course most reactors are in their 20s. i think it's probably a good thing overall that people are more thoughtful about the media they consume - people let a lot of gross stuff slide in the 80s/90s/00s in the name of being hip and edgy - but it's still very alien to me. people seem scandalized not only by purposefully transgressive films but movies that were huge mainstream hits.
dialogue is so good
Eric was on the money, there is a quote that comes up later... "he never really knew himself, so he never really knew what to want". Which honestly also hits home particularly hard haha
If you’re a nerd like me when you’re done with this season you’ll start to reflect with new perspective on Rust’s monologues throughout the season, and his “Locked Room” monologue is one of the absolute best ones
@@lagronemikal If everyone got everything on the first viewing, the world would be a more boring place.
@@lagronemikal just made my wife watched it (she loved it of course) and it was my third viewing. Still picked things up, and got really excited for some of the things I knew were coming up that I even forgot were coming up during the second viewing.
Hang on, kids. The ride is about to start. Pay attention to the convos, interactions, and you will still freak. Cannot wait. The best series.
As much as the whole series rocks, I think this episode is my most watched. Lots of theses, lots of iconic shots, lots of great dialogue.
That quote about bad men in your description is one of my favorite quotes in media.
My advice for this series is to just process and enjoy each episode, try to remember as much as you can, and don't try to figure it out, because you won't. Just soak it up and let it all unfold.
Episode 4 is undoubtedly my favourite episode of any TV series, ever. Incredible writing.
A buddy of mine in the military used to say - 'good does not beat evil, bad beats evil'. He was right.
The Sheep, The Sheep Dog, The Wolf.
Okay, I've gotten in trouble elsewhere for saying this, but I'm going to remind you two. You have to remember that Marty's interviews with the detectives are not happening at the same time as his affair. The affair was in 1995 and the interview was in 2012, 17 years later. So it's not like he was saying that stuff to the detectives and then going out and cheating on his wife. Or is it? We shall see...
I wish you'd post these more often. I look forward to them!
that last shot and the music during it, watching it live reactions were epic.
When people say Breaking Bad was the best TV show ever...I don't know man. It was really good, but this season of True Detective was on another level.
Ozark is better. Barry is better. True Detective is better. Banshee is better. The Boys is better
@@L4ftyOne A little tip: going overboard on how many shows are better only demonstrates what a hard-on you have against the original program. Doesn't exactly lend credibility. (particularly when you add some garbage shows to the list 😉)
The "locked room" Rust is talking about is the mind, hence why he's pointing to his head, where the brain is located. While the exact relationship between the brain and the mind remains a mystery, what we know from modern neuroscience is at the very least that everything we experience during our waking life is essentially a "controlled hallucination" (to use the words of Anil Seth), and still a construct of the mind, just as when we dream or hallucinate, except presumably reflecting reality more accurately (but even that might be wrong, we just don't know in the grand scheme of things).
So this "locked room" refers to what's called the problem of other minds, which is that any individual conscious entity only has access to their own mind, and can this only infer what is going on in other people's minds, never experience it directly.
Oh.... What is COMING for YOU TWO... in the next episode (cue evil laugh....). I still hold that the dialogue between Marty and Rust is better than any other television show I have ever watched. "The Wire" remains my favorite crime drama, however, maybe that's because there are just more characters and more "of it." The dialogue in this show is just next level.
@36:10 yes, wearing respiratory protection while making meth is very common. I was a DEA agent for 22 years and was certified to dismantle (and raid) clandestine laboratories. Odorless phosphine gas is one of the many deadly things which a meth lab can inadvertently produce if you screw up (that's actually what Walter White uses to kill the two guys in the RV in Season 1 of Breaking Bad by throwing red phosphorous into an open flame). There are also a myriad of other gases, acids, and solvents that can damage your respiratory system as well as eyes and mucous membranes. "Drugs are bad... m'kay?"
17:44 It’s for the good of the family!🤣
Thinking of ur brain as a locked room is a Trippy concept
Season 1 of this series is among the all-time great seasons of television. I am really enjoying being back in this world with you guys.
Omg brooo the next episode is and I truly believe this one of the best single episodes of television ever put together it’ll make your heart beat faster than overdosing on coke
26:00 when I first watched this I got chills 🥶
Marty "I don't want any man mowing my lawn but me". Marty wasn't talking about his yard.
Hi! Good timing! Thanks! Here we go! :)
Hope you enjoy the video!
@@EricSarahReact Thank you. I'm sure I will. ;)
I can’t wait for you to react to the next episode 😂 absolute masterpiece this season is.
Another great reaction by y'all! Really enjoy your appreciation for a great series!!! And being from Austin, Texas, the first beer you should try should be Shiner Bock.... 😁 🍺
The interesting thing they're doing with Rust's philosophy is that, while he's called himself a pessimist, and is expressing nihilistic ideas, he's really expressing the fears of a religious person. It's not at all an atheistic position, though he clearly appears atheist. Only the religious person fears the void, because it stands in stark contrast to the fantasy of the Big Rock Candy Mountain of heaven. Most atheists, at least those who've given thoughtful consideration to secular humanism, will recognize the wonders of *_this_* world and forego the magical promise of a next one. (As this is being written over a year later, there's little fear that last line being an allusion to the final episode could be construed as a spoiler).
I think Marty was being genuine to Maggie when he talked about not wanting to look down, but he was 100% also using that to deflect what she was actually asking him. He was using the reason to hide the action.
Like everybody else saying in the comments, wait for episode 4.
S**t gets wild.
Having Fun Watching this with You Two. I think you would find The FX Series Fargo a good watch for your channel. The series has ties to the movie. For instance, you find out the origin of Chief Margie and what happened to the ransom money that was buried in the snow....
They're true detectives, is the similarities you were trying to name.
Remember the words of the preacher "and the face you are wearing is not your own".
You might notice something really disturbing later in the story.
_"A dream about being... A person."_
McConaughey's delivery on Christianity and Religion altogether is so on point.
very smart move by Marty. Can you trying to take anything to court with a confession from an intoxicated (that the police provided) interrogation.
So.....yes and no. Marty was pushing the conversation with his wife off, but at the same time, he was being honest. If that makes sense? Due to the situation and style of the case that he and Rust are on, his own guilty conscience (the affair he's having) and other aspects. His emotions and feelings are true. While I do not condone his affair or abide that at all, which we all agree on. Also, we can tell that the affair started before this case, but focusing on his emotions and words in that short scene, I feel it was genuine. Kind of like a cry for help. I could keep going on this, but I feel like I am writing a novel, and I don't want to do that. If you want to discuss it, we definitely can.
You might've noticed something that is pretty disappointing to me, but Marty doesn't get nearly as much backstory as Rust in order to try and understand him as well and empathize with his choices.
@@lagronemikal Infidelity is normally demonized in society moreso than other vices.
@@lagronemikal what does any of that have to do with what I said?
Yes!! Loving these reactions. Highly Suggest Koyaanisqatsi guys!
Last episode was crazy?? NEXT episode is crazy!
I don’t think im a bad man…..we keep the other bad men from the door
Yeah, one of the cornier lines in otherwise crisp dialogue.
Love this season so much.
For as morally fucked as Marty is when it comes to his marriage, he is not a manipulator. He constantly bounces between trying to be a better person and believing he is too weak to change before rationalizing his bad behavior. Marty is really just a flawed man who lacks the faith/power to be a better one. His experience seeing horrible things as a cop seems to be what as corroded him.
I have always thought it was rude of Rust to mow the lawn. It's an insult to Marty.
19:42 cringe 😬
Rust is the sane one.
♥
Lawnmower,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,