Botan is Asking if Anya Is Actually Japanese Based On The Way She Talks
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I remember watching Anya's stream and she was speaking Japanese almost entirely that I didn't even heard a single Indonesian, so I looked up on hololive's official page to see which gen she is from just to find out she's from HoloID 💀
Yes. Me too
If I haven't been in her debut, I would have had thought that Anya is a Japanese with different accent for a few hours.
Honorary ID member*😂😂😂
Holo-ID are amazing, right? They are often able to speak in multiple languages.
in a certain forum, i've read some japanese also saying that, Anya is suppose to be a japanese who think that she was an Indonesia
Lol what is this anime plot.
She's a katana that think itself as a kris
Yes... With conversation with Botan here, and a conversation from Anya's birthday stream with HoloID gen1, that hypothesis may have some truth in it, or along the way...
There's most unlikely Japanese can use Javanese accent "medhok" and perfectly use Javanese tenses, but that nice theory
@@triviakenny6878 also ask like this part is still loading 2:08😅
That's interesting. I don't think I've heard "showing your tail" as "showing your true colors" before. That reminds me to the Skogsra, something about if you tell her politely that her tail is showing, she will bless your hunts.
There's a similar saying in Chinese that roughly translates to "revealing fox's tail" which is used to describe being found out after doing something bad, or revealing one's evil intentions. According to Chinese mythology, foxes can transform into human form, but are unable to transform their tails, so their identities as foxes are revealed when their tails are found.
from Tanuki maybe.
In English, there is the concept of "showing your ass" which is more about being an asshole in public or around guests/strangers instead of the expected level of polite.
Skogsrå. Need the ring to make it the right vowel.
@@oscarnemo8084 well my old phone does not have that. And I'm not downloading a Swedish keyboard just for one time use.
That's so awesome, SSRB is taking interest in Anya.
Anya is expanding her fanbase.
Dumb question. What’s SSRB?
@@siulat If I'm not mistaken t's originally short for Shishiro Botan, but it's usually used as her fanbase name
@@siulat I think it can be taken both as SSR(super super rare) botan or just ShiShiRo Botan
@@siulat super super rare botan
Anyanbase
Botan: "So, how's in Indonesia?"
Anya: "Indonesia? Oohh... Yea I'm from there, huh? Right, right..."
Translate Indonesia to Indonedian
You can have a conversation with them in Japanese? Amazing." said Botan, while having a conversation with her in Japanese.
Linguistic pon moment for Shishiron lmao
Botan meant that it’s amazing that Anya could hold JP conversations and make friends overseas what with her learning nihongo from anime and manga. Anya speaks a sort of otaku Japanese because of it.
As an Indonesian who’s decently fluent in Japanese (by circumstance) with a similar learning method to what Anya mentioned in the clip, I can confirm that passion is a heavy contributing factor in learning a new language. If you’re not passionate about learning it, you’re not likely to go very far with the exp grind unless you have other factors with learning the language like family influence.
And from what i’ve seen, Indonesians are especially good at that. I’ve heard my Japanese profs and friends mention that Indonesian students tend to speak really good english and/or japanese. I always tell them it’s not that we’re masters of the language but if anything, we tend to throw away our fear of messing up speaking the language and just shoot our shot. With passion, that is. This greatly helps with our skill development and looking confident definitely adds to the “nihongo/eigo jouzu” factor. You can see this with Ollie and Reine bc from what I’ve seen, their Japanese improved a LOT within the past 1+ years as they try to communicate more with the JP people.
Sorry for the long comment but I’m just really proud of Holo ID continuously getting better in many aspects 😆
I always thought that's due to our language were heavily influenced by many language like Dutch, English Portuguese, and Japanese, with a small influence from Spanish as well.
@@thejamesonthestreet that’s not wrong but just because our language is influenced by many languages, that wouldn’t matter at all in terms of actually learning those other languages since the most you’ll get are loan words. You don’t learn about the respective languages’ grammars from how they influence our language and you certainly won’t become fluent in them just by knowing Indonesian. It’s the raw exposure towards your target language and the effort you put into communicating in said language that really gets you through.
It's true. Not just with learning a language but being good anything. If you're not passionate about it, you're not driven and pumped to go and learn it and get better every single day. It becomes a slog
@@thejamesonthestreet that has nothing to do with mastering language genius
@@thejamesonthestreet using the same logic as yours then indonesians would easily mastering dutch in no time because dutch colonize indonesia in 3 centuries which in result many indonesian words comes from dutch.. thats the most dumb way of thinking my friend
Botan: Anya, you are showing your tail
Anya: Its not like that, by the way do lion have tail?
Distraction 💯
really a diversion from what was discussed earlier😅
good at dodging and getting stuck in one package.
Literally the same with the anya and gura boingboings interaction lmao
parry 💯
She has perfect Dodge skill on her conversation
Nice change of topic there at the end, Anya.
Yeah like this part 2:08
I liked this clip. I'm saving it to show to people at my Japanese classes.
Side note: I am 42 years old, disabled and have been trying to learn Japanese since I was 15. ~_~
Some people just aren't cut out for learning languages. HOWEVER I won't give up since it's also my PASSION, as Anya said.
My interest in the language also started with anime back in 1992 or 1993. Though technically earlier since I had been watching anime from the 80s, I just didn't know it WAS anime at the time. Or even what anime was.
Anyone with suggestions on easier ways to learn Japanese for myself, someone who has poor language learning ability and constant severe head pain, I'd appreciate it. Especially if you're a language teacher. Any help is appreciated.
That's nice to hear. Good luck in your linguistic pursuit. Regarding lang. learning, people tend to jump straight to complicated constructions/expressions because their fearing of sounding like a toddler. Best to slow down and use simple sentences (subj.+verb+obj. or SOV in this case for JP) until sentences just naturally flow out your head without pause; toss in a couple adjs. before the obj. to spice things up a bit. Grammar becomes easier once you have a good grasp on the basics, knowing what goes where, what needs to be added, etc. You want to convey yourself clearly, not confuse the listener. In addition, pick 8~10 new/common words a week and incorporate them into your daily speech and writing to build up your vocab steadily. You can do more, like learning 50 words per week. However, it's a tad counter-productive, as you may not have enough time to use all of them to help you reinforce what you have learned so far. Consequently, when the next week begins, you are pushing yourself to learn another 50 new words without properly absorbing what you learned previously. Learn to gauge your limit and march steadily.
Immersion helped me the most. Replace EN stuff, especially entertainment stuff, gradually with JP content until you chase out the EN stuff. But you have to be careful and select stuff that's either at or only just a little bit above your level. If it's too hard, it'll just demotivate you. It's a fine line, but I found immersion to be really helpful.
I also broke it down into 4 skills: reading, writing, listening, and speaking. They're all slightly different, and require different thought when learning them, but they're all connected. It's comprehension vs production. You gotta be able to do it all, though.
Anya is right about anime not helping people past a very basic level. You don't want to have a serious conversation with someone who learned English solely by watching Rick and Morty, same goes for JP and anime guys. Don't be that guy. It's mega cringe. Watch other stuff. The news is a good place to start, but really, just about any podcast will do.
You gotta talk to people regularly in JP, too, or else you'll forget all kinds of stuff. Learn how to describe the things you don't know the words for. It's extremely useful as a skill.
As for a curriculum, i really have no clue. I audited some classes at my local uni for cheap and got started there, but i did the bulk of the work on my own, with help from tutors in a lot of key points for me. I never really found that Jeebus level JP learning book. They're all kinda okay. Don't obsess over the perfect curriculum or perfect book. Does it help a bit? Great! Nom it and move on.
And I did all of this while dealing with an inner ear disease (like Kanata's), losing hearing in one ear, and dealing with all kinds of balance and migraine issues related to it. It really helped me take my mind off of having to deal with a lot of crap lol. So it's not impossible to do with a chronic illness. You just have to plod along and refuse to quit. Grindset mindset works wonders IMO. I stopped at N2, but someday I'll stop being lazy and make a run at N1.
Anya is very mysterious like her real form (Kris Dagger), many people speculate that she is actually japanese who joined HoloID.
The plot thickens
Like Hana Macchia lol.
Nah she is just an introvert who only speak with her japanese friends online...
Nah she is just too good with her japanese conversation
in Indonesia "showing your tail" is not really tail but "stripes" in a Zebra stripes "belang" . maybe for a better example is tan line from Nagatoro
so like "tunjukan belangmu"?
@@larchy1324 tunjukkan belangmu is show your stripes, it's like a command
maybe
(ID) kelihatan belangnya ini orang
(EN) this person's stripes is showing
🤣🤣🤣 it's really weird if i translate it
the "stripes" portrays how contrast the color difference.
Similar saying here in the Philippines. To make it easier to understand, it's the same as saying "Your true colors are showing"
Forbidden truth 😂 Anya not a Kriss she is a Katana
Tanto
Anya final form
Or its legendary katana but after lost near south east asia and being reforge as keris
amongst the ID girls she might be the most fluent if not 2nd only to Iofi. there might be a challenger from the ID 3rd gen though for the top spot xD
Seems that most JP-niki is saying that she is better than most normal japanese. Iofi and Reine is step behind her then Risu -> Ollie -> Moona.
IRyS is on par with her but IRyS is half-Japanese. Anya constantly denied she have any japanese ancestry though
she above Iofi. but not too far
@@addminustraitor8514 Def far from iofi. Knowledge, vocab, kanji even her way of speaking is way way beyond iofi's level.
@@ArchusKanzaki also when botan ask this part to Anya 2:08
JP-niki would pick Anya over Iofi for Japanese skill.
Anya's way of speaking is more proper and has this kind of aura of dignity and confidence. The way she says the words, the way she chooses which vocabulary to use, etc.
Iofi is more like street level, while Anya is more like bussiness level.
Even compared to Ina or Kiara, i personally would pick Anya.
Lmao
Anya should’ve pondered with “Squall?” rather than “Indonesia?”
Indonesian has the advantage that it has a tongue of all languages, that's why Anya can surf it.
True, my friends are indonesian, and he speak english fluently even the accent too
I've never heard of this. Explain?
@@SunnyBlam a lot of austronesian languages doesn't have a distinct pronunciation pattern so a lot of them can speak other languages with little to no accent and sometimes they can sound the same as a native speaker if you didn't know they weren't.
@@SunnyBlam for example, Singaporeans or Malaysians speak English, they don't leave their native accent behind, Indonesians can speak foreign languages without the accent of their native language clearly being heard. that's why the Indonesian tongue is recognized as the tongue of all language.
@@SunnyBlam basically we indonesian can speak other language fluently (if we study it) bcs our tongue is more flexible, for example when you read "b" it's sound like "bi" in english right, but in bahasa "b" sounds like "be", and sorry if u a bit confuse abt my explanation bcs English is not my main language, maybe u can search it how bahasa pronunciation sounds like or maybe other indonesian can explain it to you more detail
Plot Anya adalah orang Jepang yang bisa ngomong bahasa Indonesia🗿
Keris made in Japan 👍
@@HiuuuS superior Nippon steel with robust Indon design.
Nah itu dia😅
I think she travel to Japan to find her love (katana)
Seper Hanmak Niji ID?
If you pay attantion from Anya's birthday stream, there were parts of SUS conversation between her and holoID gen1, similar to Botan here...
which part?
What kind of conversation tho?
@@werren894 pay attention in the conversation, start from 22:13 about kotakan
Go to Anya's birthday stream and at some point it basically become JP member's totsumachi stream
@@triviakenny6878
Huh? Kotakan itu kan kotak kado kadoan yang di jual itu yah anya ngomong sus apa sih disitu kok aku bingung 😂😂
the cat is out of the bag 👀
Anya is probably one of the underated ID members right now next to Kaela.. She's wholesome on her own way too
2:08 When you ask, you are still in a state of confusion, it's really a question that Anya hasn't lived here for a long time😅
I think Anya is also still processing on what Squall is too. She do say that she might be more fluent in Japanese than English
@@ArchusKanzaki yeah its true Anya more fluent for that both language
I do wonder what was that about. Storm or Typhoon?
Even though its harder, Anya's Japanese have more structure and grammar and thus could be used as study material unlike the other holoid members
You know what? When Anya speaks japanese she forgot she is Indonesian
as foreign language learners, the key to speak fluently is to use it for daily life, never fear to speak, it's normal to make mistake, after you learn your mistake you will remember it for the rest of your life, once i speak and make mistakes, the girls call me cute, so it's win win situation lol
also talking to yourself a lot helps with build fluency lmao
what makes anya more charming is she also has cute voice with her japanese skill ❤
2:38 that Anya laugh??
That's Botan laugh
@@reivaldoaurelio4895 it's both.
Both keris and katana are rarely used for the sharp blade, both are mainly used for the character and identity. And anya sure is a sakti samurai
Hmmm I think I got it. Anya using "castle life" type of japanese. Like when you see anime story about ojou-sama and her butler and maids. That's the kind of Japanese she's using 😀
Just watch her real stream, and you will know she is indonesian for sure.
Learn japanese from anime❌❌❌
Learn japanese from vtuber ✅✅✅
Watch out what you are saying. Ollie might just start doing Japanese-teaching streams.
just don't say or type "草" everywhere.
Unironically how I learned German, at least in part. I’d say my classes and lots of speaking practice and everything helped me get the important foundations, but it’s the German vtubing scene that’s taken my German to another level. You kinda learn not only what it means to communicate ideas but also to speak naturally, I’d say (I’m not even sure anime or TV could teach what it means to speak naturally, but streaming is live, so it’s all natural and spontaneous). Plus, because of chat, you get a good mix of listening and writing practice and can actually communicate with natives. So yeah, vtubing is really great for language learning.
I'd actually suggest sort of the opposite. Study Japanese until you start getting a grasp on basic structure and grammar, then start watching anime. You'll be amazed how much you start to recognize and even just pick up from the context of the situation.
she's like hana machia 2.0... a foreigner ended up lifing a slow life in indonesia or just study there
I see that topic change from Anya! We're onto her
Learning from anime? I don't think that isn't that unusual.
But going into it fill scale afterwards, that is the thing.
she stirred that convo away
"Do lions have tails?"
Anya D O D G E 100
It's crazy how good she is
thats what happen when you are trilingual with each accents....
not focused, you forgor the accents you supposed to use... lol
Did you understand the context here? Anya's japanese sound so native that when she said "Indonesia?" She sounded just like Japanese person would react. Her Japanese is as close as a native so no accent. It's not about being trillingual and speaking with accents you donut.
@@limkyky7875 yeah just like this part when Botan ask Anya 2:08
@@limkyky7875 i'm donut? damn i'm delicious then... lol
of i forgor to comment, from this Botan says "the way you talk", not "the way you react" (unless its translator fault)
and every languages has its accent, native also had it, even talking fluently doesn't mean you can perfectly copying how native speak, just look at Iofi, she fluent at JP, but thats not how usually native speak...
want to see JP language without accent talk? look at Kronii, she embarrased to talk with JP accent that she try to talk using JP language, she sound like Google translate.... lol
@@limkyky7875 It's not about accent / native, but she sounds like a Japanese who doesn't live in Indonesia.
@@marumonyi2622 I know, holy tell this to the owner of the comment not me smh
Id PPL learn 3 language since primary school (Indonesian, local language, and English), and Arab for muslim then add Japanese when at highschool (it was 8 years ago)
For people who live in DKI Jakarta, local language teaching is minimal to none though.
True, i live in bandung and learn indonesian, local language, english and japanese in high school. But japanese still can changed to another language like germany, arab, france, and mandarin
I wonder how long it takes to be as fluent as her, or at least close to that level of fluency. I’m truly jealous.
I hear she has a uni degree for Japanese literature from UI, and UI basically like Tokyo Uni in Indonesia,.Soo they quite strict,.I think she just want o hide her background there so she didn't tell anything about it, but she dropped hints like "novel", "Japanese people", and "Environment".
I started picking up Japanease from watching clips.
Anya is the definition of weebs. wwwwww
I had an Indo-Japanese friend at college before. Anya as an Indonesian mixed Japanese it is still very possible...
2:34
hmm anya is sus
Kyknya bener sih dia emang lg fokus game.. Mau seret plank tapi 2 kali miss
Meanwhile, Anya when she streams speaks more in English and Japanese than in Indonesia, therefore not many Indonesians watch Anya's stream.😅Only some of them
Not really many English tho
Mostly Japanese (still speak Indonesian)
probably a solo stream, she's kind of a mix, anya stream consist of her trasnlating some part of the language quite often, if i have to divide it, anya stream is mostly 40% english, 40% indonesian, and 20% japanese, that also depends on how the chat is responding to her, she could go more in JP if the chat presence of JP is higher, but during a collab, mostly with holoID, she's speaks indonesian all the time
Melfriend here, and I assure you she speaks quite a lot of Indonesian, tho its kinda hard to determine which language she speaks the most since she portioned her languages differently each stream (sometimes lot of Indonesians, sometimes Japanese / EN)
@@FadazMada thx^
Konspirasi yg bagus
Just for your information, Anya once joined a sleepover with Reine, Ollie, and Moona which was broadcast on Twitter.
here's the clip: ua-cam.com/video/ltmuo8luuCE/v-deo.html
So the theory she's actually Japanese is false.
@@reivaldoaurelio4895 not really,maybe she is indeed a japanese or at least a half japanese and live in indonesia for now
@@reivaldoaurelio4895 nope, it can be a HoloID group secret that everybody is a part of it...
@@reivaldoaurelio4895 I'm not sure because we can't confirm about that, but I can confirm that Ollie and Reine are Indonesian (from forbidden knowledge😣)
@@weeweek Moona is also Indonesia, just with a white parent. Even mixed she still looks very Indonesian.
anya somehow sounds like takarie
Especially on 2:46
@@CGDCzero yepyep, kinda sus
Japanese is an interesting and fun language, it's not difficult to see Anya having a passion for it just because. I know it got me entranced as well, to the point where I don't even need a proper entertainment goal to learn it - understanding the words, the grammar, the thought process behind it are already motivation enough.
To note, I'm a total aberration, a point off the graph - I don't read manga, play visual novels or watch anime. The most contact I get is vtubers.
I learned English for practical reasons, and plan to learn Spanish for practical reasons. But Japanese and Russian are just "why not?".
She fools you, she has a degree from uni for Japanese literature from one of the most prestigious Universities in Indonesia,..
Tuh kan Anya fix orang Jepang
I'm not fluent in Nihonggo but anya's jp is a lot fluent and better than Iofi, calli, kiara.maybe only irys is better since she lives in virtual JP. I mean you can guess it in the intonation and accent, there's no way anya never live in JP. Oh I think ID's 3rd gen zeta also good at Japanese or maybe it's biased since I like her voice xD
Memang ...... Reality she is Japanese.
Live in japan
Skoraj sem pozabil, da jih bom dejansko imenoval Šrilanke, če bodo postali zelo teetee
maybe she just identifies as Indonesian? lol
nice
kang fokus
Isn't most of HoloID 1 & 2 able to speak japanese with the remaining two still learning it?
Not sure how it is with Gen 3.
Anya, reine n iofi is fluent in japanese. Ollie n risu able to speak a little bit then moona still learning on surface level.
Well in gen 3 seems like Zeta is the only one with a decent enough Japanese, as Kaela & Kobo seems to fall more on weeb level at best.
@@presixnine nope, zeta just done her japanese duolingo learning today so nope she isnt that decent, kaela and kobokan are below her tho
@@brianmario1928 I haven't watched her duolingo yet, so my impression was from her debut. But yeah looking at her collab with Lui's clip, her Japanese does seem to be below early debut Ollie.
Okay.. but what if Anya's tail?
Konspirasi 🗿🗿🗿
sasuga jp no anya!
what is SSRB? Is that botan fans name?
I bet you she's actually Japanese
Not only Indonesia but the 3 South East Asian island nations (Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines) have national languages with neutral accents that make it easy to speak in English clearly and other languages.
On the other hand, Singapore, Vietnam. And Thai people have such distinct accents that while they are proficient in English or other languages, they still retain their national accents.
I don't watch Botan so some one fill me in. Why is she a lion and not a lioness?
it's like asking why watame have horns (even certain breeds of female 🐑 have horns. but not common)
@@FreyjaWion Tbh there is a mutation that makes Lionesses grow manes, this indicates an unusual high lvl of testosterone.
But let's be real, she has a mane because it the most iconic part of a lion.
It's like why reine's peacock feather glow... The glowing one should be the male... And the female one feather just like... Well... Turkey...
i guess monster girl rule works the other way
if Botan's model were to be the same as the real thing, then her model would have short to bald hairstyle. wouldn't want that for an idol
Gua yang belajar dari nonton hololive jp gimana nih 😅
Bagus sih buat latih pendengaran, tapi ga semua bisa. Ada bebebrapa talent JP yg ngomongnya kayak anime gt dan beberapa ngomongnya cepet. Seinget gue orang bilang salah satu yg bagus itu Watame deh, soalnya dia ngomongnya pelan terus lembut gt juga.
Setau gua yang masih bisa dipelajari itu Watame, Roboco, Elite Miko 🤣, sama terkadang Nene itu juga kalem lho bro ngomongnya.
to be honest , south east asian people especially malaysian and indonesian can speak any language pretty fluent all coz of ancestry
😂
Ehe.
:)