400HP Ford Escort RS1700T Group B Prototype in Action: Lovely Turbo Noises, Accelerations & Sound!
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- This kind of special vehicles is the reason why I love the Festival of Speed. I know it would be better to see them in their natural habitat but being so rare even to be seen inside a museum, having the chance to record them in action it's way more rewarding. The car of this video is the Ford Escort RS1700T which was a prototype RWD machine based on the Escort Mk3 model and designed by Ford Motor Company in the early 80s to compete in Group B rallying.
Compared to the two previous models, the road-going Escort Mk3 was unveiled in 1980 as a completely new car, and was conceived as a hi-tech, high-efficiency vehicle which would compete with the Volkswagen Golf and Honda Civic. The biggest changes being the adoption of front-wheel drive, the new hatchback body and all-new overhead camshaft engines.
At the same time Ford also sold all of its works rally team to David Sutton Team. This choice was made so that Ford could ditch everything related to the outgoing Escort Mk2 and fully focus on developing a new rally car.
At first they experimented with a heavily modified Fiesta before deciding, in 1981, to stick with the freshly unveiled Escort Mk3 even if it was a front-wheel drive car. In fact, thanks to the new Group B rules (which would have been introduced starting from 1982), wild deviation were allowed from the road-legal version. Two engines were used during the first tests: a 2.3-litre naturally aspirated four-cylinder made by race engine builder Hart and a revised turbocharged version of the Cosworth BDA, labelled BDT. The final decision fell upon the latter. It was a 1.8-litre (1778 cc) 4-cylinder engine which was able to produce over 350 hp and 515 Nm pf torque. The ''RS1700T'' name was used instead of ''RS1800T'' to avoid confusion with the old RS1800.
Like its predecessor RS1800, the RS1700T had the engine installed longitudinally and the power was unleashed to the ground by the rear wheels thanks to a Hewland manual 5-speed transaxle gearbox. This choice was done to achieve the best possible weight distribution, having so the transmission located at the rear of the car, in front of the differential, and not directly behind the engine.
Unfortunately persistent problems during the vehicle's development, coupled with unease within the marketing department that a Mk III Escort with rear wheel drive would be perceived as a retrograde step and contradicted the high-technology image they were trying to promote with the regular production version prompted Ford to drop plans for its production and instead begin work on a bespoke all-wheel-drive model to beat the Audi Quattro, designed and built from scratch, resulting in the RS200.
Only 18 examples were built and many of them were shipped to South Africa to be raced in local rallies as works entries, putting valuable test miles on the BDT engine before the RS200 was ready. This was possible since in the country's rallies it wasn't require homologation of any kind. The cars were rebranded as Escort RST (RallyeSport Turbo). Currently only 5 are thought to be in existence today, with one being owned by Malcolm Wilson.
The RS17000T in this video is one of the original prototypes which was fully restored and rebuilt by English company BGMsport some years ago. The guys were also able to unleash some extra power from the BDT engine reaching the threshold of 400bhp. Watch it in action on Goodwood's hillclimb course!
0:00 Preview
0:33 Driving back to the paddock + Close ups
1:22 Heading to the start line
2:10 In action on the hillclimb
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Love the RS1700T. Was lucky enough to have a ride in one of the originals back in the day. Dad was a development engineer at Ford and brought it home one night. What a beast!
Pretty sure there's only one of them
@@jordanthom89635 of them left that are confirmed
@@jordanthom8963 16-18 were built, according to Malcolm Wilson
2:39 "That sounds noice. That sounds noice", the englishman approved this by saying it 2 times.
I remember seeing this in magazines back when it was being developed. Exciting times.
Nice to see more of this car. Probably the longest video yet of it. Seems like its powered up a bit since it originally had around 300-320 bhp as far as i remember.
I don't know what sounds better,
the story of the development of the 1700T or the turbo 😅.
Both ones 😉
What a nice, well-powered 80s car!🥰🥰
That turbo flutter is just heavenly
An RST1700 was campaigned by Ford South Africa in the 80's in the local rally championship. The driver was Serge Damseaux.
I used to watch them Malcolm Wilson drove one
You can see how quick that escort is wow sounds absolutely gorgeous as well.
The car could have been all wheel drives and saved. Ford and Porsche had put a bunch of money into this. The twin drive shaft Nissan GT-R shows that transaxles can make extremely good AWD machines.
There where a few made with x-trak 4 wheel drive for Rally cross, not sure if any of these ever made it to rally. Martin Schanche had one of them.
@@jonbeargenx Yes Sir, the X-Trac had a front mounted gearbox, and an extended, almost Altered AFX drag car wheelbase extension between the A pillar and front wheel arch. I saw the car in UK Motor, 1983. Excellent info👍
The RS200 also had twin drive shafts
When Ford South Africa moved their production plant from Port Elizabeth to Pretoria in the late 80’s, the shells they had were sold at almost giveaway prices. If only we’d have known
That's so cool. I always wanted an rs turbo but this is next level!
Love this please do more on the Group B cars 🙌🙌🔥🔥
I could watch that thing all day!
That’s a sweet ride.
Really cool looking car from the back
5 minutes of Bliss!
🔥🔥
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That's one sick escort 👍
Cute and ferocious!
Awesome.! 👏👏👏
Gorgeous car
Amazing car.
What an interesting car! I didn't even know of its existence.
Very cool 😎
I love this thing! Never even knew it existed until FoS 22. Growing up an XR3i was the ultimate boy racer dream car for me, and this is its hitherto unknown zenith of evolution. If I were a gazillionaire car collector I think I'd probably make space for one of these over an RS200 even....
Surely the first gen RS Turbo as they pretty much look like this, same flared arches, rear spoiler, all body coloured. The XR3i was a long way off looks wise.
@@davekennedy6315 The RS Turbo was too rare round our way. XR3i's were everywhere though, and imagination inspiring for a wee car nut lad. The proper RS was more of a unicorn for me.
@@samueldowney2806 there were LOADS of RS Turbos here in Essex in the 80s/90s. Although I suppose Essex has always been the home of Fast Ford's, so we were kinda spoiled for them.
You must be a similar age to me. I had a Sierra Ghia as I couldn't afford the insurance on an XR3i. Opel Mantas, Renault 5 turbos were also very desirable back then.
This reminds me that would anyone wish to see Martin Schanche driving in FOS some year? He had this Escort from early to mid 80's, with Xtrac 4WD system and Zakspeed engine iirc.
Martins car wasn't a 17t buddy. It was a complete ground up build with xtrac running gear and a heavily modified zakspeed engine. Not a bdt.
I used to go to rallycross meets back then. Watching Schanche, John Welch & Will Gollop. Great Times and classic cars
Hear it pull wow
the last RWD group b car.Amazing
La mia auto preferita ❤️
Merci.😀
Savage 💪
Can't help but notice the turbo flutter sounds like a squirrel 😆
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UAU it looks and sounds so amazing.
Buen video pero también gustaría ver más del otrora grupo B como el Opel Ascona 400, de La cia Stratos ya lo vi varias veces, Porsche 911, Fiat 131 Supermirafiori , del poderoso Audi Quattro también vi, grandiosa la Mouton !!!!
awesome! my lada sama 2108 should look like this car!
She's mint 👌😍
I never even knew this existed 😱
loooovely.
Hi, I'm from Cordoba, Argentina. At minute 2:08 an MG Metro appears behind the Audi and the Ford RS 200. It bears LAIZ bicycle advertising. If I'm not mistaken, it's the one I drew several years ago, and the driver was "Patxi" Juvanteny, from the Spanish dirt rally championship.
nice example
1700T never seen one ☝️ looked out for them at the usual shows , gartrac I believe
Lucky man to get a ride in one of them. Was that developed at Dunton? I’d loved to have worked there.
Acho legal esse som do turbo flutter
A suspensão independente felizmente acompanhou até o Mercado brasileiro
O que tornou esse carro muito robusto e caiu no gosto BR
Amazing car iv all ways wanted to make a awd cosworth escort
Thanks to Mike Rimmer for bringing this project to reality. Saw it at Race Retro a couple of years ago but Ryan and Paul really stretching its legs on the Goodwood hill.
Is that the Mike Rimmer of ' Rampage Events' (based in a small village near Andover) ?
@@sparkyhobo3844 Think I may have got my Rimmers mixed up! Steve Rimmer is a big investor in Dirtfish and owns a great stable of rallycars including the RS1700T. Im not sure if he is related to Mike but appears to own a BMW M3 driven by him at one time.
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Tenho um Xr3 1986 Azul mineral coisa linda
I remember an article in a magazine back in the 80's about one of these being used in Rallycross. I don't remember what power it was making, but I do remember the 0-60 time being quoted as 2.7 seconds😯
Martin Schance developed an Ecort Group B car in conjunction with Xtrac. It powered up to around 560bhp and pioneered the dawn of Escort Cosworth. Xtrac supplied the 4wd running gear and made them a massive supplier.
That same car was bought by Barry Squibb from Torquay after Martin went the RS200 route.
At that time during the late 80s early 90 Rallycross season it was renowned to be one the fastest accelerating cars ever. In the hands of Mr Schance it was formidable. Barry Squibb enjoyed some successes as well it has to be said.
Hope that helps.
@@DYERIAIN you sure about group B escort the xtrac escorts were developed long before any cosworth escort and used different engine
Not just Martin though John welch done most of the development
@@davyfaeforth OK it's all in the detail but effectively that's what I said. Group B rally finished and so the cars found their way over to rallycross. You are correct about the development of this car but then I did effectively say that.
Fair point though.
Filmed it craching wil post it on my chanel after my next video, Nice video by the way
When this was being shown in magazines as the next ford rally car
A company called powerush automotive
Built a very similar car
2.0bdg , turbo atlas axle
And it was fast
Ian Tilke of silkoline oils
Bought it and had success with it I do believe
Oh and claim to fame it was used in a twix advert too
Bellissima questa Escort! Farai anche un video specifico per la Focus? L'abbiamo intravista poco nei video 😔😊
Sì, sicuramente in futuro farò saltar fuori un video anche di quella Focus ;)
Looks like Martin Schanke old beast
If only they made the 1700t as a factory spec car for the general public to buy
It has the 'young farmer' twin exhaust pipes.....
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Thanks a lot for the very kind and supportive comment, Samuel! Hope to be able to maintain (and further improve) this quality over time ;)
There it is! Its cool to watch this thing racing, but would be even better if was not on pavement. I prefer the traditional gravel, dirt rally courses.
Cool fun fact:Ford almost used this car,but it finally choosed RS200,an original choice because it's the only Group B car without a normal counterpart,even the crazy Audi Sport Quattro S1 has a weird origin,2nd gen 80 sedan (Typ 81)
Who was at the wheel of the RS1700T in Goodwood?
RWD FTW sorry, not sorry. Cheers as always Bozzy mate✌️🇦🇺
Thanks for watching!
@@19Bozzy92 Doing the lords work brother.
È un vero peccato che non abbia mai corso....
I didn't know 1700 wasn't real displacement,it's in the description,to not confuse it with RS1800 (1.8 L)
Probably how the RS turbo should have come for the mk4 generation.
What was his time on the hillclimb?
unicorn
Ford 1 jour Ford toujours 😎🤌
Great to see, needs one less muffler.
Sounds like an EV with a synthesised turbo noise
Anda muito
I know we're all talking about how this car should have been AWD, but consider the opposite - could you imagine an asphalt touring car class done like this? Street prototypes, packs of turbocharged RWD machines very loosely based on the hottest coupes and compacts carmakers can get away with homologating, dicing in close quarters? Eventually I'm sure it'd have become some sort of open roadster series and priced itself out the way such homologation motorsports kind of inevitably do, but while it's alive...
Group B was allowed to race on track, but only two cars (Porsche 961 and Ferrari F40 LM) ever did
It looks and sounds lovely, but compare it to the RS200 , well there IS no comparison. They had to go 4 wheel drive. To think Ford went from the experiments with the front wheel drive Fiesta to the RS1700T To the animal RS200 all within a few years proves how technology advanced in the 80s 👍🏴
They are all very cool but a fair few parts of the rs1700 went on the rs200 and even the rs200 was a bodge of lots of other bits and tbf even tho I think the 200 is one of the best cars ever, ultimately it was a big flop when it came out in the 80's.
same engine as the rs200
If it wasn't for this car we would never had the RS200
0:29 AK-47 blazing.
The reason they cut it out of rallying. Is it was built a left hand drive care, and when they converted them to right hand drive.
The problem then they suddenly had, was it Walky’s lose power at a certain boost range. By the time they had figured it out the problem wHich was they had to extend the intercooler pipe I think it was during the conversation. This pipe would the. Collapse under a lot of boost, cutting off the power. But obviously they didn’t no or figure it out. The the RS200 was then In Production for and in rallying.
That’s what I heard from a couple of people.
A lot think it’s the Series 1 RS turbo with a rattle snake body kit.
Not many no about this car.
thats not entirely true , it was developed as a replacement for mk2 RS1800 , but Audi was already running the quarto as pace car for rallies and was minuets ahead of any car competing so was shelved
My fave car that never made it to a rally...
Gartrac xtrac ones did though
It has that weird flutter sound that Subarus had in rallies, I always wondered what it is. Something to do with turbo?
It's excess turbo boost being pushed back against the spinning fan (impeller) due to not having a wastegate to release the pressure .
Modern turbos don't make the " tu tu tu" noise on overrun due to the wastegate pressure being released without the excess boost going back through the fan (impeller)
It’s the wastegate releasing overboost
Mk3 ESCORT
The car that never was
I'll bet everything that he felt good when he got out of the car.
What the xr3 should have been. Rear wheel drive, turbocharged and a proper old school rally car to follow on from the mk2 escort
Should have been shouldn't it. Totally agree with you!
My mum had an xr2i which was pretty fast, she sold that got a ford Orion 🤦♂️ turned out the Orion was boosted and rwd converted. She loved that. Drove it for a few years and liked rwd better, so she saved up, sold the Orion and got a straight 6 bmw 325i that had some work done to it. Was around 400bhp. She put a DTM exhaust on it. Sounded pretty mint 5pseed manual. Was an old school bmw, with the panel up by the rear view mirror to tell you about any faults when you pushed the button! She regrets selling that. She's now got an xr8 falcon and a focus rs. She's not even a petrol head. 🤣
Can you imagine if Ford had kept developing this, and it ended up as crazy as the Quattro?
You obviously missed 80’s rallycross then (Lyden hill etc) as the Gartrac xtrac ones were 4wd and with Martin Schanche driving dominated all.
@@scotty197878 There were some mad cars in the 80's rallcross.
I swear man the Brits got the coolest Fords. I would take some Cossie Escort & Sierra action over some trash Rustang any day.
So this is a real rs1700t ?
Bozz do you know who was driving?
I don't know with extreme certainty but after a quick research on Instagram I found out that one of the drivers should be Ryan Champion, with the blue-white race suit. There should be a second one with the red suit but I don't really know who he is
@@19Bozzy92 yes Ryan is top level, was British championship quality years, ago and drives a lot of older stuff still
Ford motorsport were gutted by the Audi quattro and four wheel drive leading them to very unwisely abandon this great project. The RS1700T would undoubtedly have clinched the world championship even as a rear wheel drive rally car. At this point in the history of Boreham,Ford were at the peak of their motorsport engineering acumen. This car would have been top dog among the Lancia 037, Toyota Celica twin cam Turbo, Opel Manta 400, Renault 5 Turbo, and the ubiquitous Nissan 240RS. This would have been a very worthy successor to the all conquering Escort RS1800.
RWD Escort ?
Yes
Sue Collins?
4x4 needed
I would love to see this in forza horizon
i dont like the front bumper and why does it have 2 exhausts
Gartrac done a far better job with there g3 mk3 escort.
It Is 4x4 ?
RWD
@@19Bozzy92 thanks
parece ke lo veo muy inestable la suspension no esta lo dura ke tenia ke estar
Had Ford been a little more humble and used Martin Schanches 4wd set up from Rally Cross (the company X Trac is based on his ideas), Ford would have been winning Group B-rallies from the start. He was WAY ahead of the Group B-constructors, and WAY ahead of Ford (could even adjust 4wd bias while driving.) The RS1800T was a futile and old fashioned attempt, when they had in their netweork something that could have been so much better...
Lovely not sure about the double exaust
This Rallycar is based on the ugliest Escord :-O I like this car.
I had one of these years ago, rust buckets they are!
These things were not as quick as a group a 3dr cosworth
Mim Ford fort mim Zug hoim
the body kit is a bit marmite....
Looks like its not the best handling thing ...even for the eighties .