GROUP RIDING - How to Organise & Enjoy
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- How to organise and get the most out of a group ride. Suggesting a date & meeting point, riding etiquette, second man drop-off system, coffee & lunch stops, and general tips & tricks for a successful day trip with your friends.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Group rides vs Solo
02:15 How to organise a day trip
05:20 Group riding etiquette
06:06 Second Man Drop-Off
07:41 Tips & tricks
10:05 The lunch stop
10:53 Outro
Thanks to all my friends who appeared - wittingly or otherwise - in this video, and more generally to Biker Boyz, MC Portimão and AlgarveSeniorBikers.com riding clubs for introducing me to the wonderful roads of southern Portugal.
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Wow, what self control you must have, I bow to your superior strong will. If I had four Oreos, they’d all disappear very quickly definitely no need for a clip.
😂😂😂
I’ve gone to plenty of “meets” but listening to people’s tales i absolutely would never want to ride with them …very happy on my solo trips .
Thanks for your input 👍😊
Would never want to team up with people to ride somewhere and have a chat but totally appreciate that some people do.
Everyone to their own!!
As you say, I am one of those people who use my bike to get away from everyone else. We are all different and everyone has an opinion.
All good. 👍🏻
I managed a group ride after getting back into bikes after a 20 year break while raising my boys, I refurbished a bike that I had purchased in 1994 and had had kept garaged, it was fantastic as I was just regaining confidence in my riding and I am lucky enough to live in Cornwall and have got to know the guy's who produce "Rider Cam T.V." who organised the ride out. Looking forward to the next one as I will ride my new V100 Mandello.
Good for you👍😊 Bet you can’t wait to try your Mandello. I would have probably gone for a Stelvio over the Tiger, but the MG dealer here is hopeless🤨
I passed my motorcycle license same time as my friend. We thought we will have many travels and rides together. We don't ride together at all. I want to travel, he wants to ride a bike. For him motorcycle traveling is twisties, riding fast and far, for me motorcycle is just a means to get to places and see and experience stuff. My jaw dropped when I asked him: "do you actually want to ride two days, 700km a day on autobahn super fast to spend half a day in Alps and then make same way back" and he replied: "but of course, there are fascinating roads to ride fast and lean and enjoy the riding". I want to see churches, camp by the lakes in tents, see the woods, walk down the creeks, meet people, try local foods while he wants to ride a motorcycle. We have similar power bikes. It's even less about what bike you have power-wise, but more about what you want from the ride. I really love motorcycle riding but not that much where it's an adventure and reason by itself.
I’m more like you, but I have a friend like yours who is more interested in extracting maximum sensation from the road. Fine. He just has to stop and wait for the rest of us at every junction😉 Thanks for your input.
I love meeting and chatting to other riders in the cafes, but riding with a pile of strangers isn't for me. I hate the lack of spontaneity and always find myself either going too slow or worse, being pressured to ride beyond my abilities. They always start off pleasant enough, but as the day goes on, the testosterone builds and it usually turns into a bit of a TT race. I much prefer to go either on my own or with one good friend and then talk bollocks with strangers at different cafes en route.
Thanks for your input👍😊
If i do remember there's a lot of citizens from UK and France living in Algarve or aat least their second home.
That aside nice to see some scenary from that region, and to answer to the video i do prefer solo riding or on rare occasions a small group of 3 maybe, but i'll always chose if possible to do it solo and mainly for the reasons invoked.
Ride Safe!
Yes, about 50% of the population here are expats, at least along the coast. Thanks for your input👍😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Your welcome, but i got to thank you once again for showing so nice places. I'll be hoping one day to a proprer trip there ( just need the time, the proper adequate bike... and the funding of course lol ) But for sure i know how i will do it.
It’s a beautiful part of the world😊
Well organized/charity rides are ok. I'm always solo, but 3 day trips are done with my only friend that rides.
Thanks for your input 👍😊
According to “bike safe” a lot of accidents occur when group riding. In fact someone past away on Teapots last tour…. Nice video though, really enjoy your format.
Yes, I’ve heard that🙁
My question would be: Why do we want to ride in a group?? If it's for learning things, I think you'd be better suited with following a small motorcycle course once in a while. Clubs are nice for information exchange and camaraderie, but group rides are not without risks, as many pointed out. I'm 62, started riding when 18 (tought myself on a GS1000S), and now ride a BMW R100GS from 1993. All my trips have been solo, except for 3 one day trips.
I enjoy group rides and they have allowed me to discover the beautiful routes you see on my videos :)
I saw a group using the second man technique yesterday and wasn't sure why a bike had stopped on the side of a busy road, this explains it.
UA-cam to the rescue again😊
I do prefer solo riding. As you mentioned riding your own comfortable speed (pretty low in my case), taking stops whenever you want is crucial. I'm not much social guy.
Fair enough, each to their own👍😊
When i had a BMW K100 RS i joined the BMW club and had some good rides out with fellow like minded souls often on much older and slower bikes. You learn to adapt and enjoy the experience and chat, but i didn't keep it long and now seem to be always solo.
Definitely preferable being a faster rider having to wait for the slower ones than the other way round. Thanks for your input :)
So far only do my own thing. I have a couple of friends I ride when they are in Spain, which is not that often. Just ordered hip lock from amazon spain, cheaper and comes Sunday.
Group riding adds another dimension to motorcycling imo, but in no way replaces solo riding. The Hiplok is a cheap, but useful addition to any tank bag ;)
100% agree to your conclusions! As much as I enjoy riding alone, I also love the social aspect and comfort simply driving behind others. Frankly, it´s also a good opportunity to compare my own riding skills to others - and sometimes even occasionally improve....😊
Absolutely, although judging from the comments, we seem to be in a minority, lol :)
I enjoy group riding for the most part. It is a great way to get to know people. And kick the tires and talk about motorcycle. I am new in this town. So I join the local motorcycle club on trips. When they post invitations on their facebook page. Today there was the start of summer meet in town.
That’s the spirit😊
Perfectly summed up.
Ride safe 👍
Thanks👍😊
Great vid RM! I'm not a lover of group riding just because, for every bike/rider you add to the group the the faff factor increases twofold. It's so frustrating sitting on your bike with the engine running in the sweltering heat while captain faff remembers that his earplugs are in his topbox and needs to take his gloves/lid off again put them in!
I hear you, but the 'faff' has allowed me to discover some beautiful routes ;)
Hahaha I like it, we have a master of faff, but now it's more hilarious than annoying!!
👍😊
Thanks for the zap strappy thingy.
You’re welcome👍😊
The best groups to ride with are custom groups(Harley angles look alikes😁)...I rode a year with Praetoriani Portucale, lots of rules as you mention in the vídeo. Got tired of rules and left the "gang"...Got so tired of rules and swore that would never ride in groups again, after 10 years riding solo opened an exception and rode with a group....worts mistake of all time, no rules, two bikes fell...total chaos!!! So...back to solo riding, because to ride on a group you have to follow rules and behave!! I'm 51 and tired of rules and behaving well at work....
Thanks for your input :)
Wow! What a landscape. I will have to get down there.
The Algarve is so much more than the beaches😊
I'm really surprised by the negativity comments of group riding. yes I love riding on my own, but often ride at least once a week with mates (3, 4, up 6 maybe,and have lead groups up to 12 over to nurburgring ...great rides. 50 yrs a biker.
I have been surprised, too. I enjoy both solo and group riding😊
@@RocketMan_Moto We'd all ride with you, Rocket Man. You're a very methodical fellow ps why do you pack Oreos, shouldn't you be packing English butter toffee💂🍫😄
Haha, wouldn’t toffee melt in the heat here? Thanks for the vote of confidence, though👍😊
Good video. When I used to go on a ride on a Sunday there were 5 or 6 in the group on average but on the occational spin in the week there would be 2 or 3.
Ideal numbers👍😊
Have only done a couple of large group rides, but they are ok because they have riders block intersections (often with local police), but when you don't have that, traffic lights are an issue. Most of my riding is with 1 friend and we trade who goes first (who chose where we are going). That works well. I do not care for group riding on major highways as there are so many cars in and out, etc. even if it is only with one other rider. I like to be able to choose my own lane, pace, and exit strategy on big highways.
Thanks for your input👍😊
I prefer solo riding... I did a group ride along Rota Norte, along the Douro in northern Portugal... great bunch of guys, but they just didn't stop! So much beautiful scenery!!
The most difficult thing is to find riders with the same mindset
We use it to chat and tell free or car coming. Some of us adhd riders got music and the ppl that are less experienced dont got Music. We ride in groups of 4 to max 6 or you need to wait every red light stop. I cant ride without its helps you with a extra set of eyes on the road
Thanks for your input👍😊
I would much rather ride on my own. You can stop when you want and go at any speed, fast or slow, that you want to. I think it's also safer. A problem with group riding is that someone will be riding faster than they want to.
Yes, that can be a problem, but we do tend to take it easy😊
I toured in the West Country last September with two other riders. I didn't like it. Despite setting a motorway speed limit the lead was exceeding it by 20mph within a quarter of a mile of pulling onto the motorway. I'm a much newer rider and there were times when they were doing very dodgy overtakes so I ended up a considerable way behind. By the end of the week I was getting a bit fed up with the jibes from my friends. They also weren't interested in stopping at many of the places I wanted to stop. I much prefer riding by myself!
This can be the problem and is why I insisted on the fact that the most important - and difficult - thing is to find people of a similar mindset, skill level and bike power. I think I got lucky here in the Algarve, but from what others like you have been saying, it's a bit hit and miss. Thanks anyway for your input :)
looking forward to joining the ASB 😀 and getting to know the Algarve, it looks beautiful.
Everyone is welcome👍😊
My idea of hell, but to be fair a group ride on the Algarve is a completely different affair than one starting 8 miles from Birmingham at least by the look of your video 👍
I’m lucky in that I fell in with a group of nice guys. Also, yes, the roads & scenery are fabulous down here😊
@@RocketMan_Moto I think when you are able to ride that regularly, it becomes more than just a bike ride, more a kind of social event. i can see the appeal, but it's just not appealing to me, even on the Algarve. I'm still working full time, so maybe that could change, but I don't see it if i'm honest.
Fair enough. Each to their own :)
At least it's not Birmingham, Alabama!
@@steveparish9210 😄
Another wonderful review. I would encourage you to at least try an intercom for group riding, or even when with one other rider. It opens up a channel to easily communicate timely info: safety-related, an interesting site, bathroom break, food stop, etc. Furthermore you don’t have to wear it for every ride. But you have the option.
I am looking into the Sena intercom for my new Neotec, but if I don’t like it, it will be more €€€ wasted😬
I’ve done a fair few group rides both at home and abroad. I am now a solo rider just for the independence side of it, doing what I want to do when I want to do it. Yes I miss the social side of things but you have to be very selective in your choice of group members. I have seen average riders get themselves into a pickle trying to keep up with others that are faster or more experienced.
It’s best to ride your own ride to your own ability and you don’t have the temptation to go beyond your ability. Pros and cons for both but it’s best to try it and see what you think
Totally agree, Andrew. As I said in this video, the most important - and most difficult - thing is to ride with like-minded people.
Mixed opinions. I’ve ridden solo for many, many years. Just easier. The few exceptions in the past when I did ride with others it was fun. Recently moved to a new area and have ridden with a loosely organized group that averages about 8 or so riders. I’ve gone three times so far and I’ll probably try to continue with the group when I can. Rider’s experience and skills has varied. I’m comfortably in the middle. It has prodded me to up my pace to stay with the better riders. I’m enjoying the challenge and hope to stay within my capabilities. Crashing sucks.
Yes, there are pros & cons. I enjoy solo, but you do learn things in a group. Thanks for your input👍😊
I’ve got limited group ride experience. I do have a com but haven’t used it much. I think they’re invaluable for communicating road hazards and man down/ mechanical/pee breaks, but don’t want to be bombarded with chit chat. (Unless I know the riders well, and then maybe not). I don’t use it for music either.
I think that’s what I would limit my intercom for, if I do get one. Not sure I fancy chit chat throughout the ride😬
Most of my riding has been with a group. I prefer smaller groups and have switched groups as I find better-fitting ones. When I ride alone, I tend to go slower.
Interesting. I tend to ride faster when I’m on my own. Thanks for your input👍😊
The new TFT screen on the Tiger looks fantastic!
It does look nice, but the ergonomics are poor
@@RocketMan_Moto I sense a review coming.....
Oh yes :)
Awesome video! I am a confessed lone rider. How are you getting on with your bike? Best!
Thanks. Nothing wrong with lone riding, I do it a lot too. Loving the Tiger👍😊
More reviews on the tiger please
Coming soon😊
I prefer to ride on my own or a small group that respects my limits. I don't want anyone pulling up next to me or in front of me waving me to go faster.
Of course. I've never had anyone pressuring me like that, though. Maybe I just got lucky with the guys down here? Ride safe :)
Funny, I was just thinking about this very subject. Wondering if I should try group riding (again).
I found group riding only worked for me with 1 other bike when I rode with others in the past, sometimes even that was a little dicey. For example, I planned a ride and unexpectedly ran into heavy traffic on the route. One guy got really mad at me b/c his bike started overheating. You know? Another guy I ride with speeds like a maniac and gets 4-5 speeding tickets per year and spends a fortune on lawyers to keep his license. He tells me "You need to get a move on" (ride as fast as he does.) Then again, being a loner all the time can be ...lonely . LOL! Damned if you do, damned if you don't 😅
Quite an area you live in there, btw. Looks very much like Del Mar, California
I hear you. As I said in the video, the most important (and difficult) thing is to find like-minded people with similar bikes and skill levels. Yes, the Algarve has some beautiful scenery :)
Hi sir, I am 61 years young & a new rider since spring 2022 on a GS 1250 and joined a club since the beginning. I must say it is less relaxing for me to ride in formation. Only 2 seconds between the riders is not enough space for greater security. Also, today’s ride lasted 7 hours which is too much for me. Could I have your opinion on these two issues! Merci et bonne route! Marc, Quebec 😉🏍🇨🇦
My question to you would be: Why do you want to ride in a group?? If it's for learning things, I think you'd be better suited with following a small motorcycle course once in a while. Clubs are nice for information exchange and camaraderie, but group rides are not without risks, as many pointed out. I'm 62, started riding when 18 (tought myself on a GS1000S), and now ride a BMW R100GS from 1993. All my trips have been solo, except for 3 one day trips.
I'd use automobile distances between bikes. 3 seconds of time between bikes up to 40 mph. Add 1 second of distance for each 10 mph over 40 mph. For example, at 60 mph, you'd have 5 seconds of space. Watch the bike in front of you pass a stationary point on the side of the road, then count the seconds until you pass the same point to measure the distance. It's as much about reaction time, as stopping distance. You simply need a certain amount of time before you can recognize the need to brake and start to apply the brake. This can be up to 1 second, even if your on the ball and paying attention. So no, I wouldn't say 2 seconds is enough distance to stop.
Seven hours is way too long for me. I sometimes - begrudgingly - join groups on 4-5 hour rides, but I find it too much. When I organise, we usually ride 1.5-2 hours before lunch and then ride home on our own. Re. the spacing, that 2-second diagram is more for urban environments. If you look at many of the clips in this video, on quieter rural roads, you’ll see we are much more spaced. The important thing is to ‘do your own thing’. Don’t feel pressured to ride faster than you would like👍😊
Gosh, all that would be too much for me I'm afraid.
Once you’re in the thick of it, you don’t really notice the organisation part. Honest😊
Love riding, but being anti social I don't like group rides or meetings...
Fair enough, each to their own👍😊
Personally, no more than 6 in a group.
Or if more, split up into 6's.......
My favourite group size, too
you lost me at "social" :D
Me too 🤣
😂
It's awful. Don't do it. It just ends up in a nightmare of ambulances, helicopters, trailers and tow trucks. Plus the odd funeral. No more than 3 people. Ever. Those other 2 people better be good friends and decent humans too.
Sounds as though you had a particularly nasty experience
@@RocketMan_Moto More than one. It doesn't matter how careful you try to be, or how many "rules" you attempt to impose on an organised group ride, there are always 4 or 5 people who think they are both invincible and invulnerable. It always catches up with them.
I notice a theme on the comments that many people say, they say a problem with group riding is that sometimes less experienced riders "can't keep up" with more experienced riders. Maybe that's so --on a track. But on the street, the more experienced riders aren't always the ones that are going the fastest all of the time. 😉. Experienced riders know when to lay it on, but they also know when to lay off. Inexperienced riders are the ones who usually don't know when to lay off.
I’ve never encountered ‘characters’ like that on the rides I’ve been on
Agreed👍😊