Watch Part 1 on the crazy printer used for this insane print here: ua-cam.com/video/JqIZqXl464c/v-deo.html All static parts like the AB motor drives, AB idlers, Z-drive and more were printed from EXTRUDR'S ASA CARBON FIBER. Get 20%(!) DISCOUNT with code "EX_247PRINTING" at www.extrudr.com/ Dry their ASA CF out of the box to get the best results! For example with the awesome EIBOS filament dryer (affiliate link, 21% discount atm): amzn.to/3BX1Lqm
id really like to see what you do to a annex engineering k3 😮seems like a more rigid setup than the v0 , wich should allow for faster prints also you could drill aditional holes into the linear rail on the gantry, a 3d printer doesnt need the strength it offers and since its steel it would reduce weight quite a bit🤔
Ever thought about counter balance on the boom weight? Driven on each side in opposite directions by extra motor, so no mass added to print system? Should run on same signal out, just have own driver and stepper. Just to help with quality without speed penalty 🤓🤔
To be fair this is what all FDM prints looked like in the very early days so it is incredible that it's possible to produce the quality of those early prints at these crazy speeds now.
@@thewatcher9778 The reality is it'll never get to that point. The material properties (and thus the cooling requirements) will never support this speed with high quality.
I think the MOST exciting thing about this video is that it is SO easy to share! When friends or family ask what’s so cool about 3D printing, this mind bendingly fast print can easily be viewed without skipping or looking for the amazing part. They can see the whole process and be really impressed! TYVM, this is truly an achievement for the whole community and I know it will inspire others to start 3D printing! ❤️❤️❤️
Are you kidding me/us? When friends and family ask you about 3D printing, you will show them this ugly abomination of a part? That's an absolute waste of filament, whatever you print at these speeds can only be thrown away. Looks like crap, mechanical properties like crap, will not fit to any other parts - oh my god. What inspiration should this be for 3D printing newbs? I cannot believe anybody would want to 3D print anything after seeing this. Looks like the result from a printer 40 years ago to somebody without proper explanation and "expectation management". Just speed up any other video which produces something presentable and show it to them. It is maybe a milestone of speedbenchy engineering but not usable to convince anybody that 3D printing is useful and a production-ready technology.
@@Freakyprinter Most that want to see how a 3D printer works don’t want a 15min time lapse… of course you can see pretty prints in pics anywhere. Your lack of insight and perspective is appalling. Obviously many things can inspire and Short pretty time lapses are everywhere on social media, EVERYONE has seen those. This is Unique, technical, and impressive in a way rarely seen or available in short format. Everyone has different interests and it is a great opportunity to capture the attention of people who may have seen 100 pretty flexi dragons and said why do you want toys? This printer can make beautiful functional prototypes in 15min, not hours, that is a game changer if the information 247 helps develop and design faster printers for the future. That you want to call them newbs, and take such offense to a slightly different perspective makes me worry for those that encounter you as an ambassador to 3D Printing… maybe try relaxing and don’t watch speed printing if you find it so ugly and impractical.
@@Freakyprinter There are only 2 reasons this part is "ugly": printer not bolted down/reinforced against vibrations, and flow borderline. Those are both very fixable, the latter by going slightly slower or hotter if nothing else. You can totally print functional and accurate parts at speeds like this.
The patience was worth it, this build is wild! I can't even believe what I'm seeing is in real time lol. I genuinely think your giving us a glimpse into the future where designers and makers can have quality, rapid prototypes. Thanks for continuing to put in work on this build!
Don’t forget your missing 3/4-4/5ths of the printing happening… even at 120fps your still missing out on half. You would need an hour long slo-mo to even view how awesome this is.
All machines that require accuracy can be improved with more rigidity. Standard milling machines and lathes are made from huge cast iron pieces for the rigidity, vibration dampening, and weight. Also, granite is often used in high precision applications for the same purposes. You can see the frame flexing a lot and the amount of flex in your setup is certainly impacting the quality. You could probably increase the quality of the prints by mounting the printer on a granite slab, as well as securely attaching granite slabs to the sides to increase the overall rigidity in each dimension. If you don't want to go to that extreme, you could add some triangulation by cross bracing the corners with taught diagonal cables running from corner to corner. The sides of your frame are squares right now, so you need to put an X in the middle to form many triangles.
@@KToMmiWhat I am referring to is most evident during the "Albert's favorite part (CRAZY MOVES)" section of the video, when printing the roof supports, roof, and smokestack. If you look at the edges of the screen, you can clearly see the vertical structure of the printer wiggling in response to rapid forward and rearward movement. Furthermore, there are clear rearward and forward shifts in smokestack layers, or port and starboard on the boat. The layers of the smokestack appear to be better lined up in the left and right direction or bow to stern. I don't believe these are lost steps, but the flex or resonance causing misalignment. There is less mass moving left and right than moving forwards and rearward but there also appears to be a bit more rigidity left and right because of the back panel that all of the circuit boards are attached to. I'm not saying that rigidity is the end all be all solution, but that it is something that could certainly use improvement. However, increasing the rigidity could cause lost steps if the steppers aren't strong enough because changes in direction or impulse experienced would be that much more abrupt
I have a background with industrial CNC machines and production. I am researching 3D printers, and my conclusion is there is not one single printer under several thousand that are even close to being heavy and rigid enough. And, I have my doubts that many of the more expensive printers are really optimum. So, I am in the process of designing my own printer. The majority of people in the field of 3D printing apparently are clueless about how much flex, low mass, and vibrations affect accuracy and finish. When you can watch a printer shake you cannot expect a great looking part even if everything else is working well.
I think I read "real time" about 60X watching that. It just wouldn't register that this could be real! Then the shock that only the filament was melting. How can the motors and extruder not be melting?! It's so quick! That thing moves so fast that it might be pressing against wind resistance! Nicely done. Very beastly!
Sure I was expecting it to be faster than the previous version but holy crap that is WAY faster!!!! You truly are the speedboat king. Great job! Also I know there's a lot of folks clamoring for info but let me just say, as someone who's 1st printer was an Anet A8 I genuinely appreciate your commitment to thorough testing & safety before dumping details. I love showing these videos. It's truly inspiring stuff.
ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!! i remember when you first started your channel, i was very impressed with what you had achieved back then, but this? this is madness! i love it, and i hope you will just get a full research grant at some point to push the limits of what was thought possible with filament printing
Thanks a lot - it's great to know that you follow from the beginning! I should we should leave the "faster faster faster" field now and research on how we can do quality at those print times. Super tough, but not impossible imo.
I habitually watch videos at 2x+, you're certainly one of the few creators I keep needing to check my playback setting while watching *despite* always making a point of setting it to 1x at the start haha Congrats on the new record, I'm fully expecting you to continue absolutely destroying all semblance of common sense I have with 3d printing.
You're the inspiration for me for building a mecury 1.1, a ender 5 pro conversion to corexy with higher end parts since i couldn't exactly build a voron 2.4 like I really wanted to. And since its my first big build, i wanted to keep my expectations more in line of what i can do. You've done a lot for printing enthusiasts, veterans and newcomers all alike.
I jumped on twitter as myself just now.. amazing work on your printer, sir. Your benchy shaped object is still better than my first print. I am especially impressed with the smokestack and the roof pillars. WOW!
There was a point in the video where I went cross eyed just trying to keep my focus on the print head. All the way through I just had a cheesy grin on my face though. This is the perfect combination of madness and genius!
This printer has reached a point where it can print regular mechanical parts with a slight decrease in speed just as good in a fraction of time. Great work!
I really don’t blame anyone for thinking this is fake, it’s almost more believable than this being possible! This is amazing work on your part and it’s insane how quick this thing is, with no video editing required too
I went the complete opposite direction. set my layer height at .04 ended up with 1198 layers. ran it at 35mm per second set the bottom layer at 0 and top layer at 999999 so every layer was treated as a top layer. My first benchy, and you can barely see layer lines. of course it took about 17 hours to print. but faster isnt always better lol. i got this idea from the 3D Printed Tabletop youtube channel. he credits a reddit user that goes by the name Seipie. but this video shows how fast you can print one. nice to see what can be done.
Amazing! It feels like we are approaching the physical limits as far as printer mechanics goes. Probably with a stiffer frame you can push it a little more but that's probably not gonna get you sub 2 minutes. I keep wondering what effect optimization of the g code could have. If one could mod the slicer such that the pathing minimizes accelerations and reduces travel moves.. maybe even go non planar, e.g. print 3 layers of the forward cabin wall before jumping back down to print 6 of the aft wall and so on..
I think this is extremely useful for drafting. I mean when you wanna prototype something you don't have to wait hours for a rough shape only to find out you missed something about the design. :)
WOW! the footage looks insane! Incredible too see what a 3d printer is capable of Also I think frame rattle is quite often overlooked when it comes to quality, especially with very high accelerations like shown here. You can try something simple like having 4 wood clamps, 1 in each corner, and clamping the top of the machine frame to a solid base
The fact that it can run that fast and still come out as a full benchy, although be it not perfect in any way, it is very impressive, shows what is possible with 3d printing for now and the future
@@247printing I think by using pictures from that rig, you could make a grading sheet, or heck even some machine vision based thing, that can go somewhat objectively based off of those pictures, but yeah defining “quality” is hard.
IIRC he had them but took them off because they didn’t help. I think the system would benefit from anchoring each of the 4 x/y sides to a large mass, like concrete blocks that weight 50+ pounds.
Very cool machine and video, as a german I love the outtakes😂. I assume quality of the Benchy with dual Z (und besser gelagert) would already be better. The bed must vibrate like hell at those speeds.
people be like: i don´t need no highspeed printer that produces a blobby mess!1!!!11!! 247printing: who asked? (proceedes to break records) Love it! keep it up!!
You, You are the kind of man pushing tech to it's limit for the entertainment AND progress ! I think you inspire brand's like FLSUN to create fast printers for the mass people like Super Racer ! "little question : the vibrations of the printer we see when printing i guess is a quality factor?"
6:30 you ran out of mcu power. Probably because of a 168mhz clock on your board. The octopus pro 723 board with a 550mhz clock speed is currently the best for this
Thx, yeah, but that's really extreme stuff 99% of the people won't go. E3EZ is more than enough - so do not put too much emphasis on those MHz of the MCU
I had to double-check that I wasn’t playing the video at 2X speed. Yet makers of the future will laugh at the speed and quality of this 😂 Cool time to be alive!
This is super impressive. I'm more interested in the fastest "perfect" benchy times, because I feel like the extreme speedboats just don't give us useful information about how to eliminate bottlenecks in FDM printers.
Next step is to get in touch with fireballtools and get a properly made square tube welded steel frame I think. At a certain point I suspect you won't be able to see the frame moving on you and will only know you need to go stiffer by going stiffer and seeing the difference in the print quality. Adding walls with sufficient contact points may also help to reduce movement. The ancient all-steel bed slingers seem to outperform on both quality and speed (when modified for speed) vs the aluminum extrusion equivalents in my observations, though they are still limited by being bed slingers so it isn't a perfect comparison. It may be time to go back to steel (welded, not bolted).
I have quickly learned the only evolution of a 3d print hobbyist, is just printing/buying new upgrades for your 3d printer to make your 3d printer better at printing 3d printer upgrades
@247printing haha it makes some great content, and did not believe how fast yours worked! I'm excited for the next 10 years where the ender 3 equivalent can do those speeds with great quality!
I have a suggestion. I see you have belts moving the head around. Have you considered weighing the moving parts, and adding a counterweight to the other side of the belt? The fore-aft motion, you'd want to put half-weights on those two belts, but the lateral motion, a single counterweight with guide rails would be needed. You'd want rails on that one so, if the print head is way off to one side, the counterbalance isn't rattling loose on the crossbeam, and it should keep the load on the two side drives balanced, minimize skewing loads when you give fore/aft impulses.
Do you think you could you add an active mass damper to cancel out the frame vibration? Basically a second X-Y axis printer on top but with just a weight instead of an extruder. It should roughly perform scaled inverse motions to the actual printing arm.
@247printing would making the outer frame more rigid (like cross-ties and corner diagonals) and/or attaching it to a concrete block improve the quality at hyperspeeds?
Wow, this build is absolutely INSANE! 🤯 As @Nathan Builds Robots said below, we get to enjoy your descent into madness without having to go there ourselves 😂
Being able to stabilize the machine better would make a big big difference here I think. Bolting it down on a really heavy bench or the floor. Making more/better metal supports for all pieces on the printer
I imagine when Bambu Labs stated that their printers were A 55/100 that this is the speed they would like with their implementation of consistency and quality. Totally building one of these when it releases!
Herrlich der O-Ton am Schluß! Und sehr schön mal zu sehen, dass es nicht nur verrückte Ami´s , sondern auch verrücke Deutsche gibt :) . Grüße aus Hessen
I'm still confused where this speed comes from. In the slicer there are tons of speed settings, but which is referred to when ppl say "I print at x mm/s"?
This is amazing But isn't the printer frame a bottleneck too? Instead what if you added diagonal supports to each pillar on all 4 sides and try reducing the vibrations that way?
Is the linear rail still stock? I've got some ideas flying around, skeletonizing the internals with ecm-mashineing. Could save some more grams while maintaining almost the same ridgity.
I wonder if using linear axis motors would allow for higher speeds? Also would a closed loop control with encoders help the quality or is the material flow the issue?
Looks pretty epic, I wonder what it takes to bring this to a sub 2 minute benchy. I know my knowledge about the subject is limited but I did notice a few things. The frame is wobbling quite a bit, could reinforcing it help here or does it have little impact? I wonder how much impact the cable chain has on the whole thing, I noticed it lagging behind the print head in movement quite a bit that could possibly cause a pull and reduce accuracy. Another thing I see but probably is not technically feasible to do anything about is that the print bed while small is still much larger than it needs to be for just the benchy. Could be that it's largely irrelevant already. Another thing I wonder is which axis forms the bottleneck / could the printing settings be optimized for that more, by fill paterns / rotating the model? I am just rambling here and I probably don't know what I am talking about but those would be my takes.
Watch Part 1 on the crazy printer used for this insane print here: ua-cam.com/video/JqIZqXl464c/v-deo.html
All static parts like the AB motor drives, AB idlers, Z-drive and more were printed from EXTRUDR'S ASA CARBON FIBER.
Get 20%(!) DISCOUNT with code "EX_247PRINTING" at www.extrudr.com/
Dry their ASA CF out of the box to get the best results!
For example with the awesome EIBOS filament dryer (affiliate link, 21% discount atm): amzn.to/3BX1Lqm
id really like to see what you do to a annex engineering k3 😮seems like a more rigid setup than the v0 , wich should allow for faster prints
also you could drill aditional holes into the linear rail on the gantry, a 3d printer doesnt need the strength it offers and since its steel it would reduce weight quite a bit🤔
great fillament, thanks for the discount
@@Basement_CNC On my list! Unfortunately I lack the time atm :/
Ever thought about counter balance on the boom weight? Driven on each side in opposite directions by extra motor, so no mass added to print system? Should run on same signal out, just have own driver and stepper. Just to help with quality without speed penalty 🤓🤔
If its not quality it don't count.tired of these speed benches you are just gunna trow away.
this is faster than some timelapses lol
😂
Than all timelapses.
To be fair this is what all FDM prints looked like in the very early days so it is incredible that it's possible to produce the quality of those early prints at these crazy speeds now.
Yup
now they just need to focus on quality at these speeds
My dad has some prints from like 1992 that look way better than this
seems like the quality isnt following the speed
@@thewatcher9778 The reality is it'll never get to that point. The material properties (and thus the cooling requirements) will never support this speed with high quality.
I think the MOST exciting thing about this video is that it is SO easy to share! When friends or family ask what’s so cool about 3D printing, this mind bendingly fast print can easily be viewed without skipping or looking for the amazing part. They can see the whole process and be really impressed! TYVM, this is truly an achievement for the whole community and I know it will inspire others to start 3D printing! ❤️❤️❤️
Have never seen it this way! Thanks a lot for your statements, Theodore - means a lot to me!
Are you kidding me/us? When friends and family ask you about 3D printing, you will show them this ugly abomination of a part? That's an absolute waste of filament, whatever you print at these speeds can only be thrown away. Looks like crap, mechanical properties like crap, will not fit to any other parts - oh my god.
What inspiration should this be for 3D printing newbs? I cannot believe anybody would want to 3D print anything after seeing this. Looks like the result from a printer 40 years ago to somebody without proper explanation and "expectation management".
Just speed up any other video which produces something presentable and show it to them.
It is maybe a milestone of speedbenchy engineering but not usable to convince anybody that 3D printing is useful and a production-ready technology.
@@Freakyprinter Most that want to see how a 3D printer works don’t want a 15min time lapse… of course you can see pretty prints in pics anywhere. Your lack of insight and perspective is appalling. Obviously many things can inspire and Short pretty time lapses are everywhere on social media, EVERYONE has seen those. This is Unique, technical, and impressive in a way rarely seen or available in short format. Everyone has different interests and it is a great opportunity to capture the attention of people who may have seen 100 pretty flexi dragons and said why do you want toys?
This printer can make beautiful functional prototypes in 15min, not hours, that is a game changer if the information 247 helps develop and design faster printers for the future.
That you want to call them newbs, and take such offense to a slightly different perspective makes me worry for those that encounter you as an ambassador to 3D Printing… maybe try relaxing and don’t watch speed printing if you find it so ugly and impractical.
@@Freakyprinter This better be bait
@@Freakyprinter There are only 2 reasons this part is "ugly": printer not bolted down/reinforced against vibrations, and flow borderline. Those are both very fixable, the latter by going slightly slower or hotter if nothing else. You can totally print functional and accurate parts at speeds like this.
The patience was worth it, this build is wild! I can't even believe what I'm seeing is in real time lol. I genuinely think your giving us a glimpse into the future where designers and makers can have quality, rapid prototypes. Thanks for continuing to put in work on this build!
Don’t forget your missing 3/4-4/5ths of the printing happening… even at 120fps your still missing out on half. You would need an hour long slo-mo to even view how awesome this is.
@@MakerBees333 I knowwwww I wish youtube could support higher frame rates. My fancy monitor is useless if im watchin vids
All machines that require accuracy can be improved with more rigidity. Standard milling machines and lathes are made from huge cast iron pieces for the rigidity, vibration dampening, and weight. Also, granite is often used in high precision applications for the same purposes. You can see the frame flexing a lot and the amount of flex in your setup is certainly impacting the quality. You could probably increase the quality of the prints by mounting the printer on a granite slab, as well as securely attaching granite slabs to the sides to increase the overall rigidity in each dimension. If you don't want to go to that extreme, you could add some triangulation by cross bracing the corners with taught diagonal cables running from corner to corner. The sides of your frame are squares right now, so you need to put an X in the middle to form many triangles.
Cast iron Voron, let's goooooo 😎
Pretty evidently here the main source of inaccuracy isn't insufficient stiffness, but insufficient cooling.
@@KToMmiWhat I am referring to is most evident during the "Albert's favorite part (CRAZY MOVES)" section of the video, when printing the roof supports, roof, and smokestack. If you look at the edges of the screen, you can clearly see the vertical structure of the printer wiggling in response to rapid forward and rearward movement. Furthermore, there are clear rearward and forward shifts in smokestack layers, or port and starboard on the boat. The layers of the smokestack appear to be better lined up in the left and right direction or bow to stern. I don't believe these are lost steps, but the flex or resonance causing misalignment. There is less mass moving left and right than moving forwards and rearward but there also appears to be a bit more rigidity left and right because of the back panel that all of the circuit boards are attached to. I'm not saying that rigidity is the end all be all solution, but that it is something that could certainly use improvement. However, increasing the rigidity could cause lost steps if the steppers aren't strong enough because changes in direction or impulse experienced would be that much more abrupt
@KToMmi you can literally see the frame flexing by a significant distance. That's causing huge amounts of inaccuracies.
I have a background with industrial CNC machines and production. I am researching 3D printers, and my conclusion is there is not one single printer under several thousand that are even close to being heavy and rigid enough. And, I have my doubts that many of the more expensive printers are really optimum. So, I am in the process of designing my own printer. The majority of people in the field of 3D printing apparently are clueless about how much flex, low mass, and vibrations affect accuracy and finish. When you can watch a printer shake you cannot expect a great looking part even if everything else is working well.
I think I read "real time" about 60X watching that. It just wouldn't register that this could be real! Then the shock that only the filament was melting. How can the motors and extruder not be melting?! It's so quick! That thing moves so fast that it might be pressing against wind resistance! Nicely done. Very beastly!
Sure I was expecting it to be faster than the previous version but holy crap that is WAY faster!!!! You truly are the speedboat king. Great job! Also I know there's a lot of folks clamoring for info but let me just say, as someone who's 1st printer was an Anet A8 I genuinely appreciate your commitment to thorough testing & safety before dumping details. I love showing these videos. It's truly inspiring stuff.
ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!!
i remember when you first started your channel, i was very impressed with what you had achieved back then, but this?
this is madness!
i love it, and i hope you will just get a full research grant at some point to push the limits of what was thought possible with filament printing
Thanks a lot - it's great to know that you follow from the beginning!
I should we should leave the "faster faster faster" field now and research on how we can do quality at those print times.
Super tough, but not impossible imo.
@@247printing i mean, would making a rig to anchor it from the top as well as the bottom help?
I habitually watch videos at 2x+, you're certainly one of the few creators I keep needing to check my playback setting while watching *despite* always making a point of setting it to 1x at the start haha
Congrats on the new record, I'm fully expecting you to continue absolutely destroying all semblance of common sense I have with 3d printing.
Wow your adhd is way worse than mine bro
Thats some REAL "Rapid Prototyping"...
Insane what you're managing to achieve, and yes, can't wait to see what a ~5 minute benchy looks like
You're the inspiration for me for building a mecury 1.1, a ender 5 pro conversion to corexy with higher end parts since i couldn't exactly build a voron 2.4 like I really wanted to. And since its my first big build, i wanted to keep my expectations more in line of what i can do. You've done a lot for printing enthusiasts, veterans and newcomers all alike.
I just did a Mercury 1.1, it is so much better than the Ender 5 before and if you source carefully it's not even that expensive.
It’s been wonderful to watch the progress over the last… uh I guess it has been over a year since I started following your work.
Congratz!
It's wonderful to have you within the 247printing family!
I jumped on twitter as myself just now.. amazing work on your printer, sir. Your benchy shaped object is still better than my first print.
I am especially impressed with the smokestack and the roof pillars.
WOW!
I can actually see some slight ringing and probably a few minor artifacts. But beside this it seems .... Perfect!
Exactly as designed, right?
My mind is officially blown. Subscribed! 3D printing just keeps getting better, keep bringing on the speed benchies!
Thanks a lot - that action was a good choice!
There was a point in the video where I went cross eyed just trying to keep my focus on the print head. All the way through I just had a cheesy grin on my face though. This is the perfect combination of madness and genius!
Hey Luke, thanks a lot! That's super nice to read from you
This printer has reached a point where it can print regular mechanical parts with a slight decrease in speed just as good in a fraction of time. Great work!
What if there is bad layer adhesion.
For mechanical parts....
I really don’t blame anyone for thinking this is fake, it’s almost more believable than this being possible! This is amazing work on your part and it’s insane how quick this thing is, with no video editing required too
"When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit."
I went the complete opposite direction. set my layer height at .04 ended up with 1198 layers. ran it at 35mm per second set the bottom layer at 0 and top layer at 999999 so every layer was treated as a top layer. My first benchy, and you can barely see layer lines. of course it took about 17 hours to print. but faster isnt always better lol. i got this idea from the 3D Printed Tabletop youtube channel. he credits a reddit user that goes by the name Seipie. but this video shows how fast you can print one. nice to see what can be done.
Amazing! It feels like we are approaching the physical limits as far as printer mechanics goes. Probably with a stiffer frame you can push it a little more but that's probably not gonna get you sub 2 minutes.
I keep wondering what effect optimization of the g code could have. If one could mod the slicer such that the pathing minimizes accelerations and reduces travel moves.. maybe even go non planar, e.g. print 3 layers of the forward cabin wall before jumping back down to print 6 of the aft wall and so on..
Watching your hand move while the machine enters hyper warp is almost tear jerking
This benchy looks freaking good for that insane speed! Mind blowing!! 😮
It's an art project
I like it, picasso! 😂
🤣
I think this is extremely useful for drafting. I mean when you wanna prototype something you don't have to wait hours for a rough shape only to find out you missed something about the design. :)
WOW! the footage looks insane! Incredible too see what a 3d printer is capable of
Also I think frame rattle is quite often overlooked when it comes to quality, especially with very high accelerations like shown here. You can try something simple like having 4 wood clamps, 1 in each corner, and clamping the top of the machine frame to a solid base
put the frame in concrete
might break the printer. The wobble is like a spring suspension at this speed.
The fact that it can run that fast and still come out as a full benchy, although be it not perfect in any way, it is very impressive, shows what is possible with 3d printing for now and the future
I’d LOVE a competition for fastest quality benchy!
There is a
“smartphone photo studio for 3dbenchy and tiny stuff” that you can 3D Print that should allow for verifiable print quality control.
I'd LOVE to participate, but judgement (and finding judges) is super hard to do.
There have been a lot of discussions about that.
@@247printing I think by using pictures from that rig, you could make a grading sheet, or heck even some machine vision based thing, that can go somewhat objectively based off of those pictures, but yeah defining “quality” is hard.
0:31 - that one mustang 5am in the morning
Amazing speed. That’s not a bad quality speed Benchy either!
Thanks Jon! It's bad, but yeah, not bad - I double this!
cant believe the acceleration and precision especially using belt drive. shocked
have you thought of adding diagonal supports in both the front-back and side-side directions off the corners of the machine to keep it from shaking?
IIRC he had them but took them off because they didn’t help.
I think the system would benefit from anchoring each of the 4 x/y sides to a large mass, like concrete blocks that weight 50+ pounds.
This 2 minute benchy looks like my first benchy which took a whole hour to print
Very cool machine and video, as a german I love the outtakes😂. I assume quality of the Benchy with dual Z (und besser gelagert) would already be better. The bed must vibrate like hell at those speeds.
Thx! I double all this - that platform is "done" for that :-)
Albert, you're a madman, and I LOVE IT! 😂 I can't wait to convert one of my LDO kits to your spec!
people be like: i don´t need no highspeed printer that produces a blobby mess!1!!!11!!
247printing: who asked? (proceedes to break records)
Love it! keep it up!!
😂
Please add a spool camera to the side! This is awesome 👍
Nice run!
Thanks! Waiting for your take! I didn't expect it to be so hard to achieve... 03:27 was super easy at that time.
@@247printingI hope the nema 17 motor on mine will give me the upper hand ;).
You,
You are the kind of man pushing tech to it's limit for the entertainment AND progress !
I think you inspire brand's like FLSUN to create fast printers for the mass people like Super Racer !
"little question : the vibrations of the printer we see when printing i guess is a quality factor?"
I would have been interested in a decibel meter overlay as well, seemed really loud from this side of the screen 🙂
It’s between 85 to 95dB 🥹
@@247printing Hoo boy, that's hearing protection territory!
I love how there is Noctua fans on the motors, the sound of the fan is silent accompanied by the loudest motor in a 3D printer
6:30 you ran out of mcu power. Probably because of a 168mhz clock on your board. The octopus pro 723 board with a 550mhz clock speed is currently the best for this
Until Hypernova. 😁
@@daliasprints9798 solid point
Thx, yeah, but that's really extreme stuff 99% of the people won't go.
E3EZ is more than enough - so do not put too much emphasis on those MHz of the MCU
@@247printing I ran into the same issue as well thus why I know this. Was having issues at 256 microsteps 1.3m/s lmao
I had to double-check that I wasn’t playing the video at 2X speed.
Yet makers of the future will laugh at the speed and quality of this 😂
Cool time to be alive!
2:54 man, his hands are even fast!… 🤨
I could have you make waiting two minutes until I took of the build plate...
Richtig geil was du da für ein monater geschaffen hast. Mein Glückwunsch 🎉
This is super impressive. I'm more interested in the fastest "perfect" benchy times, because I feel like the extreme speedboats just don't give us useful information about how to eliminate bottlenecks in FDM printers.
Congratulations on your engineering efforts. I can't believe what I am seeing.
oida wos hob i ma do grod ogschaut
Absoluten non-sense!
What’s the fastest it can print with a good quality at the end?
Absolutely mind-blowing! Congrats!
Next step is to get in touch with fireballtools and get a properly made square tube welded steel frame I think. At a certain point I suspect you won't be able to see the frame moving on you and will only know you need to go stiffer by going stiffer and seeing the difference in the print quality. Adding walls with sufficient contact points may also help to reduce movement. The ancient all-steel bed slingers seem to outperform on both quality and speed (when modified for speed) vs the aluminum extrusion equivalents in my observations, though they are still limited by being bed slingers so it isn't a perfect comparison. It may be time to go back to steel (welded, not bolted).
Highspeed 3D drucken und fluchen auf Bayrisch was will man mehr 😂 Absolut Geil wie der abgeht.
Phew! It's a good job you're using those Noctua's on the steppers, otherwise it might be noisy :P
(They look great with you're colour scheme ❤)
lol yeah! 🤣
That's insane and I think that benchy turned out very well! 2,5 minutes is just crazy! Nice video :)
"I never operate this printer a these settings unattended"
... mate...
You wouldn't have time to even go and take a piss at these speeds.
Luv it! 😂
Hahaha, lol - great one, thanks!
I have quickly learned the only evolution of a 3d print hobbyist, is just printing/buying new upgrades for your 3d printer to make your 3d printer better at printing 3d printer upgrades
YES, for so many people (including me) it is!
@247printing haha it makes some great content, and did not believe how fast yours worked! I'm excited for the next 10 years where the ender 3 equivalent can do those speeds with great quality!
Im very new to 3d printing, but the algorithm is important so i have liked and commented haha. Thank you for the very enjoyable video!
I have a suggestion.
I see you have belts moving the head around.
Have you considered weighing the moving parts, and adding a counterweight to the other side of the belt?
The fore-aft motion, you'd want to put half-weights on those two belts, but the lateral motion, a single counterweight with guide rails would be needed.
You'd want rails on that one so, if the print head is way off to one side, the counterbalance isn't rattling loose on the crossbeam, and it should keep the load on the two side drives balanced, minimize skewing loads when you give fore/aft impulses.
Do you think you could you add an active mass damper to cancel out the frame vibration? Basically a second X-Y axis printer on top but with just a weight instead of an extruder. It should roughly perform scaled inverse motions to the actual printing arm.
Absolutely f-ing insane! Well done!
Congrats Albert! Seriously impressive!
Thanks man! I thought it was easier...Asymptote is coming closer.
Utterly insane. All of it. Everything.
First video I've seen.
Holy cow. U got my sub for sure 0_0
How does this not have more views lmaooo omfg this printer is insane
RIGHT?! I totally agree 😘
The key to improving accuracy without sacrificing speed is to scale up the model 6x but use 12 printers.
@247printing would making the outer frame more rigid (like cross-ties and corner diagonals) and/or attaching it to a concrete block improve the quality at hyperspeeds?
Absolutely, something like this is necessary!
This is insane. Can’t wait until all prints are this fast with great quality
Wow, this build is absolutely INSANE! 🤯 As @Nathan Builds Robots said below, we get to enjoy your descent into madness without having to go there ourselves 😂
Love the cooling setup! It's super impressive that you're doing this with PLA of all things.
Would it be possible to get rid of the hot end fan by using a pressurized air tube supplied by a oil free compressor ? Maybe a 10-8mm Teflon tube .
THAT was satisfying to watch! 🤣 Kudos to you! 👍
Thank YOU!
Dude this needs to be enclosed in a bullet proof enclosure. Awesome stuff
Love the bavarian in the end :D sounds almost the same where I am from
“Yo bro can i have a toy boat?”
“Sure gimme 2 and a half minutes.”
Truly impressive. In all honestly, that bency is really high quality for the speed. I have seen hour long benchys that come out the same.
That is nuts and the print is not bad for 2 minutes 😮
*insert "did you try leveling the bed for better quality" joke here*
Absolutely incredible, love it
Geils Video vom 3dDruck Bayer!
Mease dir!
Being able to stabilize the machine better would make a big big difference here I think. Bolting it down on a really heavy bench or the floor. Making more/better metal supports for all pieces on the printer
That cooling sounds like a hurricane. Awesome!
The "slowdown for quality" is 4 times faster than my printers peak
You’re the best man! Love this.
I imagine when Bambu Labs stated that their printers were A 55/100 that this is the speed they would like with their implementation of consistency and quality.
Totally building one of these when it releases!
I lol'd the whole time. Nice work
Herrlich der O-Ton am Schluß! Und sehr schön mal zu sehen, dass es nicht nur verrückte Ami´s , sondern auch verrücke Deutsche gibt :) . Grüße aus Hessen
Do you plan to or did you add counterweights to reduce vibration?
Appreciate your videos! Crazy speeds XD Keep up the great work!
That benchy was violently thrusted into life.
that printer needs Googly Eyes
I'm still confused where this speed comes from. In the slicer there are tons of speed settings, but which is referred to when ppl say "I print at x mm/s"?
This is amazing
But isn't the printer frame a bottleneck too? Instead what if you added diagonal supports to each pillar on all 4 sides and try reducing the vibrations that way?
Is the linear rail still stock? I've got some ideas flying around, skeletonizing the internals with ecm-mashineing. Could save some more grams while maintaining almost the same ridgity.
best looking speed benchy ive seen and fastest
Did you use super glue on all of the screws or do you casually tighten them after every print? Crazy work of art, you are amazing man!
Honestly EVERY 3D printer should be assembled with Loctite 243 on each and every fastener. This solves SO MANY PROBLEMS.
I wonder if using linear axis motors would allow for higher speeds? Also would a closed loop control with encoders help the quality or is the material flow the issue?
It‘s for sure only authentic with that bavarian swearing 😂
Great result, I really like the integration of the new cooling ducts.
The institute registered a 2.1 Earthquake.
I will not stop thinking about these 4 driver boards in their own little wind tunnel for years to come
Looks pretty epic, I wonder what it takes to bring this to a sub 2 minute benchy.
I know my knowledge about the subject is limited but I did notice a few things.
The frame is wobbling quite a bit, could reinforcing it help here or does it have little impact?
I wonder how much impact the cable chain has on the whole thing, I noticed it lagging behind the print head in movement quite a bit that could possibly cause a pull and reduce accuracy.
Another thing I see but probably is not technically feasible to do anything about is that the print bed while small is still much larger than it needs to be for just the benchy. Could be that it's largely irrelevant already.
Another thing I wonder is which axis forms the bottleneck / could the printing settings be optimized for that more, by fill paterns / rotating the model?
I am just rambling here and I probably don't know what I am talking about but those would be my takes.