The Problem With Modern Cars... [ft. E86 Z4 Coupe]
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2022
- To me, car manufacturers have lost their way in the current time. Drivers' cars is a topic area I have brought into many of the videos on the channel, for it is one of great importance to us enthusiasts. The modern day line-up of cars seemingly lacks drivers' cars more than ever before. The combination of changes in consumer demands but also changes in manufacturer strategy, has led to a plethora of technological showcase vehicles, few of which appear to offer the driver engagement of some of the older stuff.
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Great report. I bought a Z4 2.5i in 2005. Sold it two years later for a 993 Porsche ten years old. Very different cars but both huge fun. Just bought a 20 year old Z4 3.0i with 40k kms on clock with one lady owner for on new always garaged. I love it. Again. And your assessment of the modern auto industry is spot on. Nice cars but too clinical and not for people who enjoy the drive.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Sounds like you've got a great example there, I bet there's very few with that sort of mileage now - enjoy!
Yes. As a car collector, I agreed. That's why my newest car is E46 330Ci.
A great choice indeed!
I got a 2011 SL500, might be the newest I go.
Mine was awesome till some dude backed into mine and totaled it!! 01 manual
I've had my E86 coupe for 4 years and it's never cost me a penny, never gone wrong, honestly only oil and filters which i do myself it's dead reliable and does 44mpg on a motorway, that's filling up driving few hundred miles and filling back up and doing the maths, even fast driving it's still brill on fuel, not like my Rx8 before that was 26mpg maximum on motorway 15- 18 round town and 7mpg when driving flat out like you stole it.
I love my bmw z4 coupe manual 09 plate late registration 97k brilliant car 100% standard sounds like your at brands hatch when your booting it my mates say when I'm on a Bluetooth phone call. Won't be selling her future classic no doubt, My mate had a z4M and i drove it and we both said the normal coupe feels way quicker in normal driving due to the low down torque of the N52 engine, so in the Z4M unless you are high up in the revs all the time in every gear like on a race track this is when it's fast, it honestly feels slower in normal road driving and the suspension is hideously hard and high road tax and insurance.
That's great to hear Craig, awesome to see your enthusiasm.
I agree with everything you're saying there, and although I've not yet driven an M, it is exactly what I hear everytime. Yes the S54 is special but to live with, the N52 seems to be the better engine. There is masses of low down torque and at no point do I think my car is "slow". It'll monster pretty much any b road you throw at it.
Indeed a future classic!
Wait 44 mpgs in US figures? I thought maybe that was UK but the the RX-8 numbers seemed like they might be US. I still kinda want to take the RX-8 plunge... with the end game of the cliche LS up front... they sell some great kits to make that happen! Like my Miata on steriods!
I have to admit ,44 mpg on the motorway from a Z4 coupe it's just crazy. I think even 40 mpg on the motorway it's more than expected . Can you really achieve that ?
That's why I was surprised when I saw 44 mpg..sounds a bit optimistic to be honest.
@@Marius0189 I bought my first Z4 Coupe 2007 last week and drove it back - 140m on A roads and Motorway. I stuck to the speed limit and was gobsmacked at 42.7mpg for the journey. Mine doesn't have cruise control either! It has dropped since i have been home and only doing short journeys and a lot of start / stop / accelerating but I am still at 37mpg!
I highly support your view on cars,and i am sure a lot of people do. We are living in a fake society,and fake cars are just a product of it,with their synthetic sounds,useless leds and screens.
People need appearance,not substance or quality and this is what we get.
I hope an increasing number of people will understand that and stick on to older cars
Thanks Alex - the car industry is indeed shifting in a direction I'm not massively fond of, but atleast there are still plenty of older alternatives out there. I'm fairly sure that as time goes on, people will get sick of the new stuff, and we'll see more and more people buying these modern classics.
we are seeing how cars just become more and more robotic/drone like, as we all know, in maybe 10 years, we will not be driving our car, it will drive us. FUCK THE FUTURE.
Yeah I traded a few cars and ended up with a Z4M roadster manual, and s SLK 55 AMG, they are both around the 350hp mark, same size, similar weight, but completely different experiences, but the one thing they both have in common, is that you are driving them, not them you. You sit in them, not on them, and you feel connected in some way with them, and the sound! And I also have a M135i.... thanks for your views on the joys you can have just driving. Enjoy this priviledge before the EV revolution is mandated. I look forward to more content rom you, thanks.
Agreed! Thanks for watching!
Great vid and it sums up why I bought my E86 back in September 2020. Quick enough, light ish, large capacity 6 cylinder up front driving the rear wheels, old school feel and looks to die for.
Just today I have insured and taxed my Ruby Black one and tomorrow we go on a 240 miles journey to Cornwall. Been off the road for 6 months so I can’t wait to be back driving it again.
That's awesome, hope you enjoy the trip and the car performs well! I'm sure it'll be great. Thanks for watching! 👍
Warm voice that invites you to watch till the and. Great
I had one for 4/5 year and 30k miles it was brilliant. In a VX220 but the Z was such a laugh and looked way more exotic than it was
I own a E85 3.0si, I just love it.
But I also own two electric SUVs--Nio ES6 & Li L9, and I love them too. Especially the Li 9 (full of screens), going for a long road trip with it is really a joy. Powerful, quite, smooth ride, and every family member can find a screen to entertain themselves during the long ride.
Yep I can certainly see the appeal of the SUVs for that kind of stuff!
I really love this car. I really love my Bmw e86. This is the best Z series and this is the best not turbo and not M engine six in line that a normal person can buy. His sound is pure art. The only thing that I hate are speed limits...
I definitely agree! Yeah speed limits can be a pain although atleast places like Germany allow you to push the boundaries of the car a but further!
Of course the most enjoyable car under 300/350 hp I've owned/tested.
Your review was down to earth and factual and gave stakeholders good information. Keep up the good work !
Thanks a lot, appreciate it!
Got an e86 by myself and your shots while driving, with these lands cape ist amazing, lovely, wonderful. Couldnt find the right words cause im from Germany but you did a great Job and your content is way to underatet. Got a Fan in Germany and love to See more from your Chanel. Stay healthy 😉
Thank you very much, really appreciate your kind words!
Your English is far better than my German is!
Plenty more videos like this on the way!
Agreed. My sister is a translator in Germany (US born, but a German citizen and family now), so let me know if you need some translations done, haha. Prost!
Excellent video mate, a topic I've been mulling over myself for several years. As a fellow e86 owner you were totally right about the balance of the car and although mine is an automatic the manual mode still gives me some of that engagement with the engine.
The ever increasing size and weight of cars has directly reduced the feel and soul of the cars themselves. The new G29 is a powerful car but feels big, cumbersome and disconnected. I took a lightly track tuned S1 Elise round a track and it was the most thrilling, enjoyable and raw experience I have had with a car, nothing these days comes even remotely close to that experience.
Thanks man, much appreciated.
Couldn't agree with your comments more - I drove a G29 in 2020 and although it felt very good, it feels totally different to my E86, largely down to the huge amount of additional weight it carries, and of course a turbocharged engine.
Stay tuned for plenty more!
I dream of Lotus, haha...
I find it curious that you've chosen a Z4 with drive-by-wire throttle and electric steering as an example of "old school". I think they're an interesting bridge between the old and new.
You make some good arguments though.
Thanks James, yeah that's a very valid point. I think being a younger guy, these are the cars I "grew up" with so they feel more old school to me, particularly compared with the BMWs of today which are profoundly different. But yeah absolutely agree, they're certainly a bridge between old and new!
Big fan of your stuff btw, appreciate you watching 👍
@@FootToPedal I love supporting smaller channels! I wish bigger ones had watched some of my stuff, so I try to be the channel I want to be
Thanks very much, really appreciate that!
I do agree cars these days are bland, on many fronts, and not least the styling. There was a period a few years ago where distinguishing between different BMW models was much harder than it should be.
The E86 isn't dull imo, actually think it's a great looking car and very different to much of the BMW range of the time so its pretty distinctive. The Z4s have always retained that actually.
@Thunderous One No problem at all! Sorry I get you now!
Yeah totally agree and thanks very much for your support.
Fun fact: JayEmm was the person who originally drew my attention to the E86 after his video on a 3.0si last year. I was originally looking at the E46 platform and am very glad I went in this direction!
I totally agree with you. I own a z4M coupe, first owner and a 911 997 c4s, both are fantastic drivers cars not as the « sintetic » cars from today
Wow, awesome combo man! Yeah totally agree 👍
Totally. Great video. My last car was e90. 325i for my wife and 335i for me. Weeekend car right now is a Nissan 350z. My next car will be Corvette C5Z06 and Z4Mcoupe. Just the way to go. (manual of course)
That's great, love the C5 Corvette actually, I think it would go very well with the Z4M Coupe!
Coming from a Westfield with an S2000 engine and box in it to an E86 , I find the E86 pretty heavy and cumbersome by comparison. So, for those going from an E86 to a more modern machine would find the same weight difference as well. If you think the 330i E46 is only 100kg heavier, I would want to know where the kerb weight is in a Z4 ? I found the kerb weight is 1325kg for the Zed. Which is about right. Lighter cars are great for off the line on smooth tarmac, but the can be more unpredictable on typical english roads. the extra weight of the Zed does give more stability at speed also. The Zed isnt a rocketship in anyway, but the way the straight six does pull from low down and the sound does make it an enjoyable experience to drive and own. Mine is out of hibernation in 3 weeks time . And looking forward to it.
Yeah you make some very good points there Justin. Just like with power, I think there is a sweet spot too. Some mass is good to retain control and of course provide traction. I find anything from the sort of 900kg to 1400kg generally is best, not too heavy so still feels nimble and relatively lightweight, but carries enough mass to stay composed over undulations and not be thrown all over the place! But yeah, pair the Z4 with the N52 straight six and it's a great combo to me! Hope you enjoy getting yours out of hibernation!
Totally agree! I had a Z4 3.0 E85 roadster, recently I bought an I30N performance facelift, and now sold it and order a GR86. To me it doesn´t matter how much power a car has, the analogic raw fell, RWD and manual are just my happy place😌
Great stuff man, I'm really excited for the GR86, I think it's going to be great car, once they start completing orders that is! I agree though, the more analogue a car is, the more fun it is to drive!
I love my E86. Great looks, last BMW NA straight 6, reasonably light, rwd, manual, as long as you keep on top of maintenance it’s the perfect weekend car that you can daily if you like.
Fully agree with you! Thanks for watching!
It’s my perfect dd & track car … 165k MILES, no garage storage.
Great video, I’m very much in alignment with your views. For BMW it doesn’t get better than an NA straight six… and the days of the ultimate driving machine, I fear, have largely been and gone.
My E39 Touring is powered by the previous gen M54B30… it’s a brilliant lump with great character, she always puts a smile on my face and makes me feel like the car is an extension of me… I’m connected to the road. By contrast, these new BMWs filter out the driving experience with technological gimmicks, and small turbocharged engines with an anaemic amount of cylinders and a ghastly exhaust note as an accompaniment.
Here’s a question - what did people say 10 or 20 years ago about ‘modern’ cars back then? :)
Thanks Daniel, agree with you!
The M54 is another brilliant engine. Yeah sadly the pressures from regulators and a changing world are particularly damaging in the drivetrain environment. And all these exhausts constantly popping and banging as a means of "sounding good" becomes a bit tiresome too.
On your final point, yes you're absolutely right! Although, electric cars are what is going to dominate the future, and sadly I'll never connect to those cars like I do the ones from years gone by 👍
Absolutely agree. And when will people notice the Z4 is drop dead gorgeous........???
Seems like a lot of people think the E85/E86 Z4s have aged very well! I certainly agree 👍
Love this! Definitely make some really good points! The Z4 coupe, yes please!
Thanks man, appreciate it!
Fantastic video! E86 is next on my list.
It's highly recommended from me!
I have a 2003 Z4 roadster with the M54B25 engine and 5 speed manual. I love it to bits. So much fun to drive, and the engine is fantastic!!
Glad to hear you enjoy your E85, BMW sure have made some great engines!
I completely agree! Planning on getting an E86 too since it’s a complete yet affordable package of pure engaging driving characteristics, looks, fun and usability. An ultimate weekend getaway car😎
Yep you're absolutely right, seems to balance all those factors incredibly well yet is always an occasion to drive. I'd highly recommend one!
I just virtually swapped my Pug 208 2016 1.2l 82 BHP for a slightly less practical but totally immaculate 2006 2.5i SE Z4 with only 34,000 miles on the clock, hence the hefty price tag! It drives really well almost like a new car, I could have brought another 1-year-old Pug 208 and drove it for another 5 years and to be fair to the Pug it got, me, my wife and daughter all over the country and always gave a safe and reasonably powerful drive on the motorways, up Scottish and Welsh mountains with the power to overtake on motorways. But as you say it was just a car that virtually drove itself without giving even the slightest worry that it would not perform its duty without any feedback to the contrary. Some would argue that that is what cars should do and I agree to a certain extent, but I wanted to go back to the days when a car gave you some feedback that maybe you are pushing it too much and gives a sense of the road in a way that drivers of modern cars who have never driven anything else just would not be able to understand. Thankfully my wife has the family car Citreon C3 so I can enjoy my new ultimate driving machine as they call it ;)
Ahaha awesome, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Yeah I fully agree - sadly cars these days are used as "clout" more often than not, simply a status symbol. Clearly to many of us they're much more than that, and while I can appreciate other people appreciating the cars I own, to me it's about how they are to drive. Sometimes even the more "standard" cars like the Peugeot 208 you had can bring that enjoyment, and things really crank up another notch with cars like the E86 etc.
Thanks for watching!
It's really incredible how cheap E86 Coupes still are in the UK, esp manuals. In the USA, very high mileage auto E86 starts at $15k USD and manual E86 starts at $18k+ USD. With a bit of easy weight reduction (there are a ton of heavy speaker/sub components, and the OEM wheels and seats are extremely heavy), it becomes a competent track weapon rivaling the (now) big money Honda s2000.
Yeah always shocks me how much prices can differ, the cheapest E86s here are around $10k USD and the most expensive (non M versions) are about $25k USD, with the autos usually being a couple of grand cheaper for an equivalent spec car. But yeah, it is a very impressive platform for sure. Either way, I'm sure prices will only go up from here!
I feel for American Z4 fans. My E86 cost £6.5k last year, full maintenance history I just changed one gasket and did the clutch, so for just over 7k I got a sweet sports coupe.
Bought mine 2 weeks ago now, love it 😍
Awesome to hear Darren, they're great cars!
Enjoy!
There's been almost nothing offered on the new car market since around the mid-2000's that's really appealed me. I tend to categorize cars as pre drive-by-wire and post drive-by-wire. The DBW demarcation is notable not only for the disconnect between car and driver that DBW itself brings, but also for many other things that show up around the introduction of DBW on a timeline of car development. Some in direct conjunction with DBW (traction control, etc.), others not at all (infotainment systems, etc.).
Others that are more hard core than myself who are looking for the purist driving experience possible would likely point to the degradation of steering over the years as their own demarcation. Some might prefer a manual steering rack, while plenty of others prefer hydraulic over electric when it comes to steering assist. I personally prefer naturally aspirated engines over forced induction. However, I can understand the draw of forced induction for some, particularly for those who place a premium on straight line performance. And while high power to weight ratios can overcome some of the deficiencies of a heavier car, you can only take things so far.
At its essence, I view a driver's car as one that maximizes the interaction between the car and the driver, often above all else. Certain levels of performance and handling are expected of course, as is a good balance between these things. But at the heart of things, a driver's car in my mind is all about enjoying the full interaction between man and machine. Basically, if a car doesn't have all three pedals, then I don't view it as a driver's car. There are plenty of impressive cars today featuring automatic transmissions, offering amazing levels of performance, but again I don't see them as driver's cars. Instead I view them as performance cars. Drivers drawn to these cars are willing to sacrifice some level of interaction with the car to realize higher levels of performance being offered (something of particular value to those who using their cars out on the track).
Interesting to hear your thoughts on this!
Yes there is absolutely a clear distinction these days between performance cars and drivers cars. I think it's often the case that manufacturers intend to build drivers cars, but build something instead that is purely focused on statistics. Ultimately there's a lot more to driving than that, which is what I was trying to emphasise in this video.
And its often the case these days, that the high end performance cars with tonnes of power, AWD and automatic gearboxes don't really command much of the driver, so are they drivers cars? Potentially not.
Thanks for watching!
@@FootToPedal Thanks for the response. Obviously I'm fairly pointed in my views, but I should also note that I don't consider mine to be a negative view one way or the other. I don't feel that it's a putdown to refer to a car as a performance car rather than a driver's car or vice versa.
I noted some of my own ideals in my previous comment, but ultimately every car choice involves compromises of some sort. I've owned a few cars that I really enjoyed driving. For the past five years I've been enjoying my Honda S2000. (This has nothing to do with rising values, I didn't buy the car as an investment.). Plenty of people have noted that the steering could be better. I wouldn't disagree, but I'm okay with it and love most everything else the car brings to the table - especially as I'm a big
roadster fan. I'm well aware that the S2000 isn't everyone's cup of tea, but then no car is.
At the end of the day, when it comes to choosing a car for anything more than to serve as basic transportation, it's really important to understand your own preferences (or at least knowing what makes you happy within your budget). That you genuinely enjoy spending time driving your car is proof enough that you made a great choice.
@@VirtualGuth Fully agree with you!
It is absolutely a subjective matter and it comes down to nothing but personal preference. There is no "correct answer" on which car is best as it all depends on what you want from the car. Some people prefer certain numbers of cylinders in their engine, some prefer RWD or FWD, some prefer power over being lightweight. The list goes on.
As long as you enjoy the car, that's what matters!
2013-2019 Benz SL's are still good, but kind of ugly compared to the r230's!
Mate… great piece and I wholeheartedly agree with 100%!!! That’s why I’m on the look out for one of these myself!!🙌🏻
Thanks a lot!
I'd highly recommend one, hope you manage to source the car you're after!
@@FootToPedal cheers mate!! Got a car in mind… gonna go look at the wknd👍🏻
Best of luck!
Nice video man
Thanks a lot!
Great video series fella.
Owned and loved my e89 3.0 a couple years back and now looking for an e86.
Prices are definitely starting to rise though.
Thanks man!
Cool, the E89s are meant to be good. But yeah prices are definitely starting to strengthen on the E85/E86 cars
@@FootToPedal managed to pick up a super low mileage E86 a couple weeks ago, it's a great car. Genuinely couldn't be happier but I will say we had to pay for the privilege.
@@speedwobble5383 Great to hear man, glad you managed to get one!
Yeah prices have been strengthening on the E86 but as long as you're happy with it, that's what matters. The way things are going it will probably be a good investment in any case!
I don't necessarily agree with the you need to spend upwards of 70 grand on a manual gearboxed sportscar.
You still have cars coming from multiple companies with manual sports cars straight out of the box in much more affordable money like the Mazda Mx-5, the staple of a roadster or the Toyota GR 86/Subaru BRZ.
Yeah thats certainly a fair point! I guess the point I was trying to make there is that there are far fewer options available at reasonable money than there once were. The idea of cars like my E86 with naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engines, RWD and manual gearboxes just don't really exist anymore. If you want a 6 cylinder engine then you are definitely paying a lot of money, but there are still options available, particularly those you've mentioned!
I am sure I could hit 90 before shifting up to 4th in my old si! Lovely car and a real occasion driving it each time.
Yeah I think 70mph is more like 5,500rpm in 3rd, top of 3rd is probably around the 90mph mark. Agreed!
Great content. Is that the stock exhaust set up? My 330 E90 doesn't get any of the crackles on overrun
Thanks man - standard exhaust as far as I know, but a few people have mentioned their N52 doesn't crackle on the overrun so can't be 100% sure now. Only really noticed it when I put a mic back there 😂
Fantastic video
Thanks Vincent!
Could not agree more!
Real talk! So true.
Great video, couldn't agree more. Glad you're enjoying the e86. I recently sold mine after 10 happy years and 50k miles. Loved the N52 engine and the shape is ageing so well. I've replaced it with a MK3.5 mx5. RWD, NA engine, lovely manual gearbox and lightweight. It's only 160bhp (soon to be 200bhp after a trip to BBR), but it makes it so enjoyable to take to 7,000rpm. Look forward to the next video 👍
Thanks Henry - awesome to hear you had a whole decade with yours, agree that the shape has aged incredibly well. A great choice though the MX-5, a car which you can drive to it's fullest extent on the road without needing a track. The light weight of them is great too!
Great videos on your channel, love my Z4 roadster and drive the wheels off it. Jealous of how much cheaper they are in the UK, had to search months to get an overpriced roadster lol. I want to get an M coupe as an "investment" at some point!
Thanks man!
Yeah we've been lucky in recent years although prices are stepping up significantly now, can quite easily pay $15k to $20k for a good 3.0si!
An M is almost definitely a good investment in the current market!
@@FootToPedal Sure! you make a lot of great points about how analog cars like this aren't around any more. Great ride, awesome N52 and six-speed. Definitely going to enjoy these cars as much as I can before they get taxed into oblivion lol. Hope your Z brings you many happy miles to come!
Glad you agree, yeah definitely enjoy them while you can! I'm hopeful we'll be able to do so well into the future but you just don't know for sure anymore.
Thanks a lot! I hope you continue to enjoy your roadster! 👍
Yes v cheap in UK relatively to most places
Great video. I’m looking for a Z4 coupe and use your videos for info. The potential valve issues are putting me off though as no idea how much it could cost to sort out
What valve issue are you referring to mate? The DISA valve or the VANOS system?
@@TheHonestJock the vanos solenoids. I have read that seals can start to leak oil
Thanks a lot!
I wouldn't really worry about those issues, VANOS solenoids aren't a particularly expensive part and from what I understand they're relatively easy to access too!
@@zahid4331 dont worry about that tbh, my car has 106k miles (65k in my ownership) and I've never had a single issue except the water pump which is common. They are fantastic cars and very reliable
@@TheHonestJock thanks very much. Really appreciate it. I’ll let you guys know if go ahead and buy one
I think the 2000 sports cars are the halo era of cars in the sense of the power of some of the poster wall cars from 1990s and even 1980s but at a cost you can actually afford to buy and run as well as the reliability of a modern car.
I’ve recently bought a mk2 tt 3.2vr manual, not the best sports car of the era by a long way but needed something for the misses to daily. More of a case of the engine being the star of the show (in noise and occasion more than all out drivers car). Cars have changed from county lane blast to straight line muscle cars
Yeah I tend to agree Matt, cars of that era were really a cut above.
As you say the modern day stuff is more concerned with out and out performance, like 0-60 times and top speed, without much regard for just pure driver enjoyment!
@@FootToPedal there’s another UA-camr than is in the process of putting a vr6 into a modern leon and turboing to make 1000bhp! When they test drove the stock car they thought it was very slow and guessed it was only making 160bhp, dinoed it at 260bhp! To me it says a lot about modern turbo Ed cars and the obsession of more is better.
Anyway brother has the second gen z4 with 2.0T 180bhp. It’s almost laffable that it counts as a sports car but it’s so much more rewarding on a country lane. Definitely interesting compared to the tt which is a faster (and safer) point to point car
@@mattvanders Yep there's a lot more to a car than just the power figure!
Sometimes the way a car handles can easily make up for any shortfall in power, which I guess is the case with the 2nd Gen Z4 you mentioned!
Another great video! We think alike. I have had a dream of owning the Z4 M Coupe for quite some time now, but watching your videos is making me consider going for the 3.0si instead. I don't drive a whole lot anymore, but I want to have fun when I do. My progression has been 03 E85 3.0i -> 2011 E93 335i and now I realize that I should never have gotten rid of the Z4. What do you think? Would the extra maintenance cost and other factors be worth it for the M? I do love the sound of the S54, but there are plenty of things that you can do to get a N52 to sound incredible as well.
Thanks a lot! I'd say its largely personal preference, both engines make a great sound but the S54 is probably a bit more special, and the induction noise is insane. However it is a bit more needy and is bound to cost you more money with just how finely tuned it is. If you weren't doing many miles, it could be well worth going for, although I've not owned one so can't speak from experience!
@@FootToPedal Thanks for the reply! I have quite some time to think about it anyway, I'm not going to be looking until the October time frame.
You need to get the m car .I bought one last year mega .
Take out the engine sound tube foam behind the glovebox , and it sounds ace, I've just left one piece of foam in and it's brilliant, it's too quiet with it all in, but when you open her up it sounds like your at a race track.
I think the most recent car I think was made for drivers was the Porsche Cayman 718 GTS which only comes in manual
Yeah a fantastic car that is, particularly the new 4.0L variant
Totally disenchanted with modern cars, I've loved my Z4C but still crave a more analogue experience so the Z4 is going in favour of a cheap 90s daily driver and then the rest of the cash and savings are going on a Triumph GT6. I've decided that will sort the craving out 😂.
Don't blame you, sounds like fun! 😂
Your US pen pal here, lol. You listed some good cars... as for too much power or too heavy (and having only driven things up to about 260hp maybe I can't speak to this), but my feeling is above 500hp and/or crossing the 4000lb (US) mark seems like it would make things either too fast and/or too cumbersome... As for modern classics, another one that came to mind might be the Cadillac CT4-V (even the lower trims should be fun), which come close to touching both those figures I listed... Still sold with a manual and based on the reviews still very engaging and analog to drive. I eagerly anticipate seeing what (and where) the Mazda 6 goes when they go longitudinal I6... I would love to see a RWD manual option... I'd be tempted to own one if my Miata speaks to what level of engagement it might have. I think I recall reading it would likely also be a 48V mild hybrid that would boost power a bit, but I think it will be NA (I was wrong). If they can keep the weight down and get close enough to 300hp it should make a very fun, yet very street-able car! Cheers and best wishes! edit: corrections below...
Thanks for all your support as always man, always great to hear from you!
Yeah totally agree with you, ultimately at those sorts of power levels you just can't deploy the power. When I look at cars like the current gen M5 Competition or M5 CS, although immensely capable, you simply cannot put that power to the road for any length of time before doing highly illegal speeds!
Love Cadillac's latest offerings and I wish we had them here in Europe! The CT4-V in particular sounds very promising.
I hadn't heard about the latest 6 from Mazda but that sounds great! Even better if it is still N/A.
From my experience, low powered light weight cars are more often than not way more fun than high powered stuff out on the road.
Thanks for watching!
@@FootToPedalI think I just closed the tab without clicking reply... Agreed, as a wise man once said "Simplify, then add lightness," haha. That's what I love about my NC Miata. I was wrong about the Mazda I6 N/A thing, not that that is a deal-breaker... used... many years from now, haha. I had not read about it recently, just what Car and Driver was saying back in 2020... updates: "Under the hood, the new Mazda 6 will reportedly be offered with a 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder turbo Skyactiv-X gasoline engine with a 48-volt mild-hybrid system generating around 350 hp. Mazda has even patented new twin-turbocharger setups using an electric supercharger, which we have no doubt will be included in the new model." carbuzz.com/news/rear-wheel-drive-mazda-6-coming-sooner-than-expected and a little more on it www.carhp.com/news/2022-mazda-6-sedan-expected-release-date-price-mpg-and-performance
@@FootToPedal p.s. I am not huge on the styling, but I would plan to spend more time looking out from it than at it, haha... I like my Dad's ND Miata, but something about the proportions of the pics at that first link are not as enticing to me (I like the look of the current Mazda 3 and 6 and would prefer something along those lines... with the RWD manual of course!). edit: no manual mentioned in the second link... call me close minded, but that's a deal-breaker for me with the other options around... I'm still hopeful... it is Mazda after all, someone will get their head out of their arse! p.p.s 2nd link: the Toyota Camry performance specs are amazing compared to the competitors given the efficiency it offers... Toyota is working some magic there... speaking of which, the new AE86/BRZ is on my short list as well.
Yeah very interesting indeed, the styling is certainly different to a lot of their recent stuff, but I think it would be good for them to release something like this. It certainly looks heavy though 😂
That I6 engine sounds intriguing, will be cool to see them offer that too, particularly in RWD format.
I guess we shall see what happens there!
beautiful video and car
Thanks man 👍
@FootToPedal Did you drive a GR Yaris? Interested in your thoughts on this modern drivers car.
Unfortunately not yet! I've heard many good things, particularly as far as driving dynamics go and it seems like a great hot hatch. Only disappointment to me is the sound, lots of fake sound in the cabin and on the exterior the only exhaust sound is a whoosh of air. I think its probably a very capable chassis though, and likely very suited to the type of weather we get in the UK!
I’ve got an e85 roadster. I’ve been debating selling it to get an e86. Obviously the e86 is more valuable and is steadily increasing, but I do worry I’ll miss dropping the top. In a perfect world I’d have both. But seriously considering it before the e86 is unattainable. The M coupes are already getting up there.
Yeah a topic of much debate I think, personally I prefer the looks of the E86 but it all depends what you want.
If you like dropping the roof then I'd say keep the E85, but I still think you get plenty of sound etc with the coupe. On a summers evening, drop the windows and take it for a blast and I'd doubt you'd miss the convertible element!
@@FootToPedal I think you’re right! Might pull the trigger this summer if I find the right one. It truly is a modern classic.
@@Eastcoastcarclub Let me know how you get on!
e85 has a better engine.
@@shamsi780 you can get an e85 with the same engine... And the n52 is far superior to the m54 if that's what you're saying.
2000-2010 was the best era for cars, all that needs to be said.
Was an awesome decade
@@FootToPedal I like the 90's too, but it's hard to find anything from the 90's thats in good shape, many 90's Vipers are still alive though.
@@joesmith9216 Yeah plenty of good stuff from the 90s for sure, as you say harder to find things in good shape from that era. Also a lot of the "cooler" stuff from that period is pretty expensive now.
@@FootToPedal Best 90's car....1998 MBZ SL600!
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How are you finding the e86?
Is it your daily and do you notice the attention it receives?
I hope you've used the sport button, if only occasionally 😉
Absolutely loving it Pete, the ownership experience is just fantastic so far.
And yeah it is my daily, or as close as you get to that these days, it is absolutely useable everyday though. And yep, it certainly catches people's eyes. often get compliments on it, including today! I think not just due to the way it looks, but also the rarity factor.
I prefer to drive the car as is myself!
@@FootToPedal
That's great to hear!
I use to daily mine too for 9 years.
When I first got into it coming from a 53 plate 330ci, I couldn't believe the difference! But now stepping into the m140i the jump feels the same, but the driving experience of what the z4 coupe gave, it doesn't even come close.
It's just brute power sadly.
Plus nowhere near the attention the zed got.
I hope you have many more years of enjoyment like I did.
Keep up the good work 👏
That's very cool, proper ownership period then!
Yeah I've deliberated over M140i's for some time now, and decided to go a different route and get the Z4. Still need to experience the B58 at some point though for sure.
Thanks man, stay tuned!
Amazing car!
Thanks for watching!
Amen!
You make good points, but some stuff ("inexplicably heavy" etc) detracts from the message.
Fair enough, just my opinion of course!
@@FootToPedal Yeah, its just that cars are lighter than ever, if you account for all the stuff that is crammed into them by way of regulations and customer demand. So, quite "explicably heavy" if you will.
You strikes me as a guy that knows this, but maybe verbally got caught up a bit too much in your "flow" in this video. It happens. Cheers.
Ah got you, yeah fair point. I guess what I mean by that is it is unjustified weight, I.e. they don't need to be, or rather, shouldn't be that heavy, in my opinion. The weight can be explained by the regulations and customer demand as you say.
Perhaps a better phrase would have been unjustified weight! Thanks for watching! 👍
@@FootToPedal Well, its a hard nut to crack, I also wish they could be lighter.
Lastly: I will give the example of the new BMW M3, which has been widely slammed as "too heavy". And they might be right but... Look at the dimensions of the car. It is in fact not all that much heavier than a well equipped E34 M5 as far as I know. But the E34 M5 is a larger car right? Not in comparison to a modern M3, it isnt! In fact it (M5) is quite a bit smaller where it matters. The M3 also has more power, more equipment, more performance, better brakes etc. Thats not to say I prefer to drive it, just simple specs.
This wasnt a comment aimed at you specifically, but sometimes many people forget the details that can explain a lot. Someone with a bit of reach should do a video about that, maybe. Anyway, have a nice day and Cheers.
The investor in me wants a Z4 Coupe, the kid in me wants a 370z
😂😂 love that, be the investor ahaha
Listen to the kid
Those guys know what is up. How else would the human race know that you can fit 4 crayons in one nose?
Miata is always the answer
Always a good choice
BMW N-Series engines famous to be unreliable comparing to old M-motors. Also there are a lot much more interesting modern cars with manual transmission, like 718 Porsche manual: pure pleasure comparing to this USA made bmw with cheap plastic and 3.0 Z4 coupe weight is almost 1500 kg: very, very compromised car)
Fair points but a 718 is big money. The E86 is built to a price point, so yes there are more plastics than maybe a Porsche would have but it all feels high quality to me. Also they're about 1350kg
@@FootToPedal it's not a big money comparing with the Z4 Coupe price when it was brand new! pretty the same, of course used one cost less) to be fair Z3 and Z4 are cheap made inside, even comparing with SLK from that era, Boxsters or Caymans are on the other level of quality. Good cars, but for their period, nothing really special