A "Titanic" Myth: Would Jack Have Survived if Rose Had Shared the Door?
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Adam and Jamie get into character and figure out whether the buoyancy of a wooden board would allow for both Jack and Rose to survive the frigid North Atlantic in "Titanic."
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Maybe she Made up the story' and the actual story' is she panicked and kick him hard on head causing unconsious and drown
That's quite more likely. More giving the fact of their familiy class difference.
A great plot for a poorly written Indian movie
Or kicked in the nutts...
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Éliás Péter
satan?
Jack's death wasn't needless.. he died for the ratings
Dairokuten Maou That’s rational
😂😂😂
What is wrong with us? Are we sick sadists itching to see a corpse. Yes. Yes we are
Daniel Truong Life would be boring without death. The same way a movie would be boring without stakes.
😂 Someone said it
The sad part is, you'd be so cold, so tired, and so in shock, you may not even be able to necessarily think that technically
Best satisfying answer ever👌👌👌👌
Please pin this guy
Uhh... It's For YOUR Survival
Your "Survival Instinct" Will Automatically Work Their Best To Ensure Your Chance Of Survival
(The Best Possible Chance Is..... Jack Didn't Know That Lifejacket Can Help Floating, And Didn't Think That Way Too 😅)
@@danielbend8938 i’m a woman, buddy
@@imashadow699 i think you’re probably right for the most part, but i also think some people might not have done that because of all the panic, hence why i said *may* in my previous comment. i was not saying everyone would be that way. there’s unfortunately probably a chance with some people out there (considering how many of us there are and how many were on the titanic) that they would respond differently to others in their instincts; especially during total panic in the freezing water, and especially if hyperthermia was majorly setting in. plus, some people didn’t even try to escape the ship, they literally just gave up
While I don't dispute the idea that both Jack & Rose would have been able to share the space on the DoorFrame, I still would argue that if they did so, as the MythBusters demonstrate in this video, they would have both been partially submerged with 20% of their bodies exposed to the water and would face severe hypothermia, or at the very least major frostbite. Keep in Mind: during the actual sinking of the Titanic, the water was −2 °C, which is lethally cold and would kill most people in 15 minutes of exposure, and that's if your body didn't go into immediate shock. And even then, several of the people pulled out of the water would still succumb to hypothermia (only 6 people pulled out of the water survived). Hell, one of the collapsible boats during the event was partially submerged with a foot of water, and several of its occcupants died of hypothermia in the night. So personally, I doubt that, realistically, Jack & Rose would have both survived on that frame had they shared it.
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@@jonathanSpg Yes, They _Try_ to get on the Debris, but they slide off doing so, so Jack holds the debris while Rose climbs on. And even then she is _barely_ above the waterline from her weight
@@cdagyekybcrpaa Maybe, maybe not. That's for the plot to decide. And how much more tragic would it have been if they'd both died, and there was no older Rose telling the story, but rather the movie opened with the people who discovered the Titanic's ruins discovering Jack's drawing and the story unfolding afterwards is simply for the audience?
Well, -2 •C is below the frozen point of water which is 0 •C.
@@mejiacusca Well, actually freshwater freezes at 0 •C, but sea water freezes at roughly -2° C. Water also doesn't freeze in the vast open ocean since it is always in motion with currents (water in the poles freezes because there is less current flow in those regions).
Why couldn't Jack just swim to the cameraman and ask for help? Smh, movie is unrealistic.
I KNOW. they were inches away. smh. 😤
They were right next to each other. smh what an idiot.
That’s because jack is a fucking idiot
Because if he did then the movie wouldn't have made so much money, so the camera man went invisible lol.
James cameron would like to know your location
Everyone is talking about how Jack's sacrifice was pointless or that he was a hero, but no one is going to talk about the drunken baker who threw the debris out of the ship so people would hang onto something?
He survived.
@@catherinespark hero too.
What about the band members and even the captain.
krissyfandubs2 they all died.
Magenta But they stuck around until the end. The band to comfort the panicked passengers and the captain who went down with the ship.
One thing people keep forgetting is that any situation your in becomes 100 times more difficult when it's in freezing temperature
Well obviously you have never made an igloo.
Unless you're skiing. Which would be more difficult to do without freezing temps.
also, the North Atlantic Ocean in that night was surely not as calm as this little lake ... some bigger waves would make it more difficult.
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My theory is that Jack didn't get on the door, even though he could fit, because his strength was failing. Icy water literally shuts down your body bit by bit within a minute. He didn't have the strength to balance it out, and he couldn't pull himself aboard, because his muscles were too cold. Rose's body was also shutting down too, leaving her with no strength to pull him up. I made this theory because a real life couple in Collapsible Lifeboat A actually died exactly like this, one dangling in the water, while one held on for as long as he could while he succumbed to the icy water that had flooded the lifeboat.
She also was wearing a life jacket and he wasn't so she could still float without expending energy
Nice theory.
You're tired, scared, possibly hungry or thirsty, and cold. I can only imagine what could happened
I forgot to add how dark it must've been since it happened during midnight. The amount of thoughts that ran on their head must've been endless as well
My theory is that the director didn't want him to get on the door so that he would die, and then years later, people like you would still be talking Bout Jack's death
if rose wasnt stubborn and stayed in the lifeboat, jack could've found that door and they both would've been saved.
mood he was handcuffed
@@mazzystars think mood meant for the second time when she had already left her family and been for jack. She came back and got on another but jumped of onto the ship as it was going down and found Jack again
@@mazzystars lol did you actually watched the movie?
@@mazzystars omg are you stupid? U said you watch the movie? We meant that after rose saved jack from being handcuffed rose ride a boat going down and jump back to the boat.
@@iwaron9225 why are yall arguing over this lmfao
Damn rose got overweight
And got a dick.
+Tyger Voods Now she's a bush : (
Made my day! LMAO
Hank Hill
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Hank Hill lmao
In reality both Jack and Rose would have died BEFORE the ship totally sank of hypothermia because they had already spent a lot of time in freezing water when he was handcuffed to a pipe (or whatever it was) in the lower decks and the cold icy water was rushing in. They were actually up to their necks in that freezing water for quite some time until they found a way out.
Rose had the 'strong woman' plot armour. James Cameron tends to do that for his main female protagonists.
@@rayunited2010foryou no, she had "main character that needs to survive to the end for the narrative to work" plot armor.
@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 Yeah, that's nearly every James Cameron movie.
@Rocky Road The less amount of time you spent in the freezing water, the greater the survival rate. I assume that man that was found floating on a table or door had only spent no more than a minute in the freezing water before climbing on top of it. Unlike Rose who altogether spent ages in freezing water.
I don't think alcohol per se would help keeping you alive in the water a bit longer, rather ANY large amount of calories consumed would, because calories equates to energy which also equates to heat. But yeah, if you know the ship is sinking, you might as well get wasted. It would help with the nerves and could save your life! lol
It's easy to think up a quick fix of putting the lifejacket on the board when you're in no danger. When you're freezing your ass off and terrified, ideas don't pop to mind so readily.
I don't get how did they survive more than 10min I would have died in a pool in the summer by then
And it's so dark out in the movie how will you be able to tie it
Now throw in the freezing water and the panicking.
Reid Shriver don't forget it's dark outside
Not to mention oceans currents/waves. Plus stuff like this isn't their area of expertise.
Thats why you should always convince yourself not to panic at all times.
Sad Taco and no one know how heavy jack is or rose
Don’t forget to throw in how jack wants to act like a tough guy in front of her afterall he loved her
Everyone: *talking about Jack and Rose
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Those two scenes broke my heart. They knew they were going to die anyways. Wow
Jack is representing those people who have lost their lives and Rose is representing those who have lost their loved ones that night. Titanic had a tragic end, that's why the movie was made in that way and at the end Jack had to die. It would've been worse if there was happy ending as it is not supposed to be.
No one who survived the Titanic lived happily. Many even took their own lives due to survivor's guilt.
That’s not the issue dumbass
@@DigiDestined13woah is it true?!
That's crazy that some of them took their life
The Titanic door deserves an Oscar for acting like only one person could fit on it
Yes only one person can because law of buyoncy
@@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq Did you actually watch the video you are commenting under?
@@mateuszkoprowski1313 yes I fucking did and in the film only one person have a life jacket myth Busters are stupid
@@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq Well you didn't watch it closely enough because they only had one here also
You know nothing about science man, it was freezing cold at that time in atlanti ocean... if jack uses it it would submerged the door deeper which eventually brough hypothermia to both of them and both wouln't stay longer before the rescue comes in
One of the largest ships in the world
One door for rose and jack to float on
lol
They should have jumped into the water with 2 doors...!!
@@sajidkhan639 YEA!
Today, titanic is very small.
It wasn't a door. It was a piece of paneling from the first class lounge.
Rose: I’ll never let go, Jack...I’ll never let go...
*4 minutes later*
Rose: *unclips Jack’s hand from the raft*
Jack as a ghost: *am i a joke to you??*
She had no choice he was dead he froze to death and she had to do what jack said she would do is that she would survive and go on and get married and have kids and die at a old age in her bed
Kinda fucked up how they let all the men die
Jack said too and my dad grandpas dad was on the titanic and died
@@anikrichardson2304 it definitely wasn't the best love story even told
I think she meant it as a metaphor...
You have got to think about the stress though, Jack and Rose would never thought to do that in a situation like that 🥱
Everyone talked about Jack, Rosie, etc, but did you guys know the Violinist scene from the movie, where the musicians kept playing, WAS REAL? The short version of the story: when the musicians of the ship noticed they were doomed, they talked and noticed their role as humans - and musicians - was to soothe people's souls. So, they decided to play until the end, trying to bring comfort to the others. Well, all of them died and, later, the violin of the violinist, who was the leader of the band, was retrieved from the Titanic remains. It was all greyed by the years below water. It had one (or two?) strings left. I saw an article and a picture of it sometime around 5 years ago. The violin went to an auction and was sold for a small fortune (I can't remember how much, but if I'm not mistaken it was around 2 million dollars). The violin was regarded until today as a token of true altruism, love for Humanity and selflessness.
i foresee a sequel where the board sinks after hitting an ice cube.
Brad Jeffrey ice burg And true
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Brad Jeffrey I
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It was a door? I thought it was just a random piece of wood...
Same
Its a panel.
I thought it was a headboard from a bed 😂
I thought it was the top of a desk.
I thought it was part of a ginormous picture frame
I couldn't help but notice that they did this experiment in a calm lake when the current in the scene was the opposite. I think what people are forgetting is that it wasn't just the size of the door but how heavy the currents were. Rose could barely get on it by herself and she had Jack help her up because the current wasn't still.
This was filmed in San Francisco Bay by Treasure Island, San Francisco bay is a mix of salt water and fresh water at a salinity of 0-25 ppt with Treasure Island being somewhere in the middle of these two figures, the North Atlantic has a salinity level of 37. Because saltwater is denser (1025 kg/m3) than fresh (1000 kg/m3), objects, including humans, are better able to float in saltwater.
If anything it would have been easier to float in the N. Atlantic in calm conditions rather than San Franciso Bay in similarly calm conditions due to the above reasoning.
@@rockyroad241Yep. The sea was calm the night Titanic sank, but the calm did abate in later days, which is why it was crucial that Carpathia showed up when it did.
The current was moving but not torrential...or else the door would have floated apart from the other debris.
@@deborahminter6231In reality there was plenty of wind and currents, this is the reason why only 337 bodies of the over 1500 corpses were recovered.
@@SmokingLaddy truly sad!
I must have missed the part of the movie where Jack and Rose were engineers who were knowledgeable enough and creative enough under panic-inducing, life-threatening circumstances to think of taking _off_ her life vest and using it to support the raft. The myth isn't busted unless you pretend that Rose and Jack were different people in a different situation.
You must’ve missed the beginning of the movie. 😂
They may have tried to balance it a couple more times though.
to really bust this myth they should have been in ice cold water that will probably kill them in 15 minutes
Exactly. That's the kind of thing experienced, educated people think of in the peace and quiet of a warm, cozy pool.
This really reduced my respect for the Mythbusters
Also where rose is wearing a heavy dress in the water and could not have swam without the life jacket., one of them needs to wear one of those dresses
Jack in heaven telling his story to romeo
Jack was actually alive.
Romeo save me🎶
Right next to queen and slim
Lol if it’s the 2003 Romeo then Jack and Romeo meeting would be like that meme of the two Spider-Man’s pointing at each other
@@ltea8570 That and they pretty much have the same type of story.
Everybody has got a plan until they get submerged in ice cold water. - Jack
With hundreds of people shouting and crying for help and you don't know if help will ever arrive...
Reminds of Mike Tysons quote
Applewolf 89 its a copy of that
@@istachi lol makes senses!
So true
OK. I admit it, I guess with the life jacket under the wood, both Jack and Rose probably would've survived. But then again, the North Atlantic ocean was below freezing. So even if they thought of that, they wouldn't be able to move due to the low temperature, even out of the water.
This never doesn't piss me off. They go through so, so much. They survive almost drowning a few times, being shot at, numerous physical dangers, Rose jumps back on the ship for him, they survive being pulled under, and then Jack dies. I was rooting for them the whole time & I was so mad.
goes to show the success of the story though that you were so invested.
adam and jamie are using water-resistant clothing while in the movie their clothes soak water and increased their weight which would cause the door to sink.
Okay im no genius
But
Maybe there was some other item that jack could have swam over to?
Idk
Yee Yee Maby he knew he had to guard her otherwise other people in the water would try to get on it
and plus he barely can swim around because the water is freakingg cold there
Caster Gil and if that was found out your life would be ruined forever by her family, and everyone would hate you and you would never find a job ever, think ahead before you make a choice
@@thund3r94 you're literally about to have a breakdown over a stupid, harmless comment. Calm down man it's a joke
Madelyn Luna 😂 I’m not, you can’t tell how I feel through comments. I just like to argue.
James Cameron has said that Jack needed to die for the audience to feel the loss of the thousand+ real people. We were hoping for a happy ending and Rose and Jack to have a great life together. Most of the people that died were coming to America with the hope of a great life or at the very least a better life than the one that they had left behind.
We were supposed to feel sad about Jack?---
@@whalecat8049 I did 😭
@@whalecat8049 okay if watching jack sink underwater after watching all they’d been thru together didn’t make you cry, you have no soul
no, they were there on a voyage. the tickets were hella expensive.
Should have gotten a smaller piece of wood then
The most realistic thing about this is nobody would get to stay in the door more than 10 seconds because every person nearby would be fighting you for it.
They can't, too cold to swim. Will death before they could reach them
@@HoaTruong-km9rkI think they'd be abl to swim for long enough to knock them off the door
@@DavidRogers97 nah, most was immediately die the moment they jump in the freezing water, the temperrature different shock the body and they dead. If they survived, they would most likely scatter from each other 10 feet at least. You're panic, you're cold, hurt and can't see shit because the sea is dark as hell, you wouldn't know where to go to begin with and just grab whatever the hell nearest to you which is usually 1 arm leght. And they only have 15 mins before they die from hyperthomia.
@@HoaTruong-km9rk then how do 80 year old "polar bears" (people) survive when they jump naked into ice water intentionally?
Maybe they could stay on the door but there's definitely a good chance someone would knock them off.
You could be right about the darkness though.
@@DavidRogers97 XD they trained to do that and they have to warm up and prepare themself, and they have safety measures too. And they are calm while they do that too. Most people die is just normal person, not a Russian that live in the snow their whole life.
1:10 ''are you ready to start this test? Ok rose! 😂😂
The point was that to the movie the freezing cold water was so cold it would impair your thought process. You cant think your way through.
They did acknowledge that being in freezing water struggling for your life would be an issue.
Gosh, I miss this show!
Bleh... But still.....
Nah they had enough to thinkthat only one can stay afloat🧐
Had the captain told everyone the ship was in fact sinking, some passengers might've devised their own makeshift rafts to survive.
if movie was realistic they would've both died of hypothermia.
Imagine explaining to a Titanic survivor that her boyfriend could have been saved if they put a life jacket under the door
ikr
Damn 😭
its a fictional story. anyone who did not get on a lifeboat died
@@AD-oy8nm this is old but I think that was kinda what I meant...like the whole argument about whether he could have been saved is silly
But I can't remember since it's so old lol
Okay that worked. Now do that on a freezing cold, pitch black night, with thousands of people screaming and all around you fighting for any floatation device. You haven't had any rest or sleep and it's 3 am in the middle of the Atlantic so you're critical thinking and planning skills are at level 0 and your emotional level are at maximum panic "I think I'm gonna die" mode.
She was also wearing a wool coat, which retains heat, and most other fabrics don't. Unless you could both eliminate the buoyancy issue (which this is shoddy at best; 80% above water isn't as good as Rose being depicted as almost entirely out of the water) AND have the one coat cover both of them, there's a good chance this "both would've survived" is quite the opposite.
They could have cuddled for warmth too. :)
Jack: I need a way to anchor myself to you.
Rose: But how?
Jack: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I laughed soo hard at this...I HOPE you mean Jack and Rose XD because the other image in my head...just no
Pankour Laut you are my god
Katelyn Pettit or had sex
They already cuddled ;)
Several key variables missing.
1.) Salt water vs fresh.
2.) Water temperature and muscle mobility.
3.) Did these two run around for at least 20 minutes prior to tire themselves out like that of someone fleeing a sinking ship?
4.) Relatively calm lake water vs deep sea ocean
5.) Night vs day (another temperature variable and vision)
6.) Genders
7.) Clothing weight (clothing of the time)
8.) State of mind. Did you just see a bunch of women, children, men drown? Did you outswim a sinking ship that could f dragged you down?
1) Isn't this freshwater? The Titanic sunk in saltwater, and as such the 'actual' board would be more buoyant than this recreation?
2) Fair, but you could argue that this test is based not on the logistics of getting ON the board, but staying on it? The former is a different test in itself.
3) I mean, Jamie is around 60 and Adam around 50...
4) Fair, but if Rose alone managed to stay on the board, two people probably could also (better able to resist a capsize).
5) See 2
6) I'm not sure what you mean by this. Kate Winslet is a lot smaller than Jamie.
7) Well, Jamie and Adam have some pretty heavy clothing on... in the scene referred to Jack's outfit was pretty lightweight, Rose's not so much so but I guess it balances out?
8) Maybe a slight impact.
All things considered I feel that the results from the video were conclusive enough to not be swayed by these variables.
You're wrong. Why? Because when you change that many variables it isn't sufficient enough to just say well they could both get on with all of those facts I supplied, while your counters supplied none except for number 1 which isn't saying much. No offense. This is about could they have both lived and given all the facts I presented no, this test does not tell us that. Nor does it tell us could they have both gotten on the board? We also don't know how long it took these two to get on in which case by that time they still might of died struggling. These two also had to struggle to figure it out and time is a factor. This test is inconclusive. You lose.
I'll reply to this in full later (as I am busy) but this wasn't a matter of winning and losing. I was merely discussing the accuracy of this verdict, not challening you in a brawl to the death.
I won.
Amaruuno you really lost in all actuality. what you said was completely irrelevant. their state of mind has nothing to do with whether or not they can float on a door
Came here after watching a video by Jill Vill, who debunks the Mythbusters' test with the following points:
1. Their test failed to consider the effects -2˚C salt water has on the body and the effects of hyperthermia. The body stiffens up, making it hard to move, much less swim. Uncontrollable swimming exhausts the body as the organs shut down.
2. The drift wood isn't a door, but a 50Ib door frame. Add the separate weights of Jack and Rose, they couldn't stay on together. The difference in weight mattered and the Mythbusters didn't consider that. The space was there for both of them, but the weight was the troublesome part.
3. Rose was an upper-class lady with her life made for her (thus no reason for her to know survival skills) and Jack was a third-class uneducated amateur artist; they didn't have the luxury of the internet or advanced degrees in science to construct the buoyancy device the Mythbusters used to increase their own buoyancy. We're taking about people from 1912 vs. scientists in the 21st Century.
4. If they did try to alternate who was on the driftwood, their bodies still couldn't accommodate fast enough for them both to survive. You can't just keep hopping from freezing cold to less cold. Their body temperatures would have spiked.
The only chance for survival was either Rose got on the boat when she had the chance or they could have found another piece of drift wood.
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I rewatched the clip and Adam even said that it would be a lot harder in freezing water. But nevertheless I agree that there were certain variables that they should have taken into account maybe fill up a large canvas swim pool with accurate water temps, or have them wear only their james bond tuxedos, I seriously doubt that they didn't have medical personnel on standby.
adam and jamie are using water-resistant clothing while in the movie their clothes soak water and increased their weight which would cause the door to sink.
He should have stole the camera, cameraman never dies - he isn’t floundering about in the water, just pure steady hand and focus till the end of the film, respect
Given the two were already freezing, I doubt they would have had the dexterity or clear enough heads to actually pull this off or even think of it in the first place.
They already tested that part.
@@sonicinfinity1871 Yeah they tested it alright: In warm water, in daylight, in a clear state of mind, and not in thinly made clothes.
@@opticalraven1935 You didn't see the rest of the episode. They test everything.
especially given the fact that they both tried to get on and then the thing capsized, so you tried once, failed, are freezing to death, and don't have the luxury to keep trying for an hour until you figure it out ala mythbusters.
@@opticalraven1935 And they’re MythBusters.
*script: am I a joke to you!?*
Yes
A big joke
Why do you think they made this video?
Am i a joke to you either?
Old joke. Go to the bin.
there was indeed enough space for the both of them, but the movie clearly points out that jack cant get on due to the combines weights. if they both did manage to get on, the door would start to sink
My one issue with the busting of this myth is this: Not only is the water freezing, but you are wearing heavy olden day clothes and just expended a lot of energy to get off the Titanic in the first place.. You are not going to have the strength or mobility to tie a life-jacket under the door, and still climb up on top of it..
Y'a but don't forget this was not on a quiéet lake, but at sea.
I think they're in the San Francisco Bay, not a lake.
Sally Smith - Still far from Northern Atlantic. Plus the stress and temperature factor. Your brain is at a survival stage and is not quite working properly. I live in Québec and we live in Northern temperatures. That type of cold really alters pour way of thinking.
Michelle B the sea was unusually calm that night, that's why it was harder for the iceberg to be seen as there were no waves smashing against the ice
But you're forgetting the others in the water as well. Splashing and flailing about trying to find something to climb onto. That doesn't make the water very calm. Even in the movie someone was trying to drag her down into the water because it was something or someone to hold onto to possibly get some stability. Not an expert in the least bit but if you've actually paid attention in the movie you would have seen that no matter what was attempted either Jack or Rose would have died. In this case Jack gave his life for Rose. Is it really that hard for people to grasp?
Michelle B it depends i think jake could of went over to someother peice of Debra or climb i stiff body boom make a human raft
Let’s do this exercise again in the middle of nowhere, at midnight, in complete darkness,with freezing water and thin clothes.
In the rough seas with 1 meter high waves
What's the point? When they did this, people would still comment and say it couldn't be done.He didn't get on the door because it was in the script, but the point is that he could have.
@Callum Miller They tested it with two grown ass men that's more than enough
Riley Bibb
The door in the movie looks massive. One women and one man could have fit on it.
@Callum Miller Of course, a young female and male would weight more than two fully grown men
not to mention jack probably went into shock or lost a lot of strength because of the freezing cold water
If Jack died because you have to feel the loss of a thousand plus people then holy hell they did that amazingly I'm not even going to lie when he died I started crying
Cried in many moments
Chivalry killed the Jack.
EmiMac20 "the jack" 😂😂😂😂😂
EmiMac20 how did rose survive the shark or the days with no water or food
Ships were called
Dabmaster 67, you mean 'the rose', surely? :)
It's true Pewds would kill the impostor "Jackceptieye", but he would be no match for Jacksepticeye.
Me trying to share the floatie with my friend
Rose could have gone on the lifeboat and Jack could have found the door then they both would have survived
elle in the 2foot pool lol
Friend ? What's that ?...
The movie even showed this exact problem when Jack tried to climb onto the door but people ignore it to keep the joke going.
How does this prove there was room for two? The lifebelt trick is not realistic in the slightest given the circumstances and even after that being partially submerged was likely a death sentence anyway.
Can you imagine Jack being like "Yeah, maybe we'll both die but it's worth a shot?" Like no, it would be completely out of character.
The only flaw was that Jack only tried to get on that piece of wood once and did so from the same side as Rose did causing an imbalance. He should have tried at least once more from the other side.
If only they were more crafty about this, Jack would have lived.
cringe
Get Crafty Crafty intelligence comes with generation plus in the freezing cold no one would try so many times bones are in pain
Rashad. bullshit, they literally just macguyvered there way off of a death ship, running through flooding halls, dodging bullets and trying to save people. You don't all of the sudden become dimwitted. If anything the situation they were in in the water was less stressful than when they were on the boat.
On top baby
Get Crafty Crafty what a pathetic shill.
The point of Jack’s death was to underscore the feeling every woman felt that survived the Titanic. All of them lost their husbands to this tragedy. Rose and Jack are not an exception and shouldn’t be given a happy ending for this reason. The movie intended for you to connect with the characters with the dangling hope of survival only for you to be hit by the harsh reality
Uzma M i mean they could have just used a smaller door as the prop.
@@Satheo05 It's ok to digress to that point too though, as it explains why the death was put in there by the writer, physics aside. Doesn't need to be quashed as a point of discussion. I thought this poster put it really, really well.
@@jj0493 Or showed it as wobblier with Rose on it so we understand why he didn't even try again, or to do anything complicated.
Hehehe, Jack go blub blub blub
The ONLY comment that made so much sense. Thank you for this.
George: "So, that old woman was just a liar?"
Jerry: "And, a bit of a tramp, if you ask me."
Personally, I've always been surprised that Rose lived, not that Jack died. :)
Also these are 2 grown men. Rose is probably substantially lighter then they are and Leo (jack) was a small young adult back then. So the door would have definitely been able to stay afloat and keep them out of the water.
Artemis Delphinia you’re not taking into account other factors that led to jacks death. Some of y’all are so dense omg
@@kool_aid2344 yup, such as dramatic plot.
True, however it was the freezing Atlantic and both would have been panicking. It is likely they could have been able to both get on, but Jack was panicking and didn't think through how they could distribute their weight successfully, so sacrificed himself thinking it was all he could do.
i think the door condition after that sinking not look better.
Plus the ribcage size back then was 4% less than it is now.
Literally all they had to do when making the movie was make the debris smaller
_X Y Z_ yeah
They had one job
Rose is a young woman, and her legs were still half submerged in the movie, i think the 2 of them would be fine, especially when they both look maybe... 290 total, whereas these 2 look 400 lbs combined
24 years later... there is still enough room on THAT DAMN DOOR!!!
Yeah but it isn't buoyant enough! They woulda both died.
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But they could have found a way to balance the door and both would have survived.
@@axelmiramontes409 - That's not how it works. Lol. It's not about balance.
The extra weight means it sits slightly submerged, meaning they would continue to get wet.
Even that aside, in reality, even just with Rose on the wood, she more than likely would have died.
Out of the 1500 people that went into the water, only 6 survived.
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Oh yeah that is so true i do agree with you.
Because i imagine how hard it is to balance the door with 2 people on the water.
Even if the door looks big enough
I have been studying the Titanic sinking for about 19 years, have listened to survivor interviews, been to Belfast, Halifax and a ton of other things. First of all i got to see one of the cork vests up close and personal touched it and held it carefully with a curator and that thing is a death trap. The panel, not door could barely fit me and im only 5'5 120 lbs (they had one in Halifax back in 2001- that you could try yourself and no matter how i couldn't). As for the whole Jack sacrifice thing, the water that night was freezing. If your clothes are wet, and your outside in the cold do they dry? No they retain that cold thus causing hypothermia and if not taken care of worse. Your fingers and toes go numb, your motor skills and brain functions are impaired etc. That's what Rose was exhibiting on that panel. There is an interview i watched on youtube explaining all the characters and the people who they were in the real tragedy. Adam and Jamie could have been a little more accurate but that is why Mythbusters was such a successful show because it opened up people to thinking about things and thats what we are doing right. Only the real Titanic tragedy is the one we should focus on and remember that people died that night because of a ship that was built too soon and died too soon. Like the one surviving woman said " Just because it can be built, should we build it?"
I don’t know if you know this but the storyline behind Jack and Rose is fake. Their real names were Jack Thayer and Beatrice Wood and they never ever met each other on the ship. And they both survived the Titanic
If Jack had not died do you think Titanic would have been one of the greatest love story’s and as iconic as it is today?
Yeah. His not having a job or education would have made the two of them want to kill each other inside a month...and she was kind of a PITA.
Nope
It would've been even stupider than it already is
Greatest love story? We know very little about Jack except he likes to draw naked women. He draws Rose and then has sex with her, what makes you think that wasnt his usual post drawing activity? She was just a fling for him and she threw away her future for him because she desired to be seen by him.
@@rorymcgregor625 Rose was just a fling for Jack? Yeah that's why he sacrificed his life and let Rose be on the raft! Atleast make some sense Lol
A lot of tears would have been spared
Everyone arguing, “But Jack was panicking!”
True, but that only makes his death more needless.
He wasn't panicking - he was exhausted and weak and neither of their fingers would have worked well enough in that cold, plus with all the panicking and choppiness around them it would be hard to see what they were doing, hard to balance on the door whilst doing it all... Where exactly would they hang out whilst prepping the door and by the time it was prepped, would whoever didn't get to be on it while it was being prepped still have the strength to climb on board once ready? How did they know that if Jack upset the door and Rose fell off, she would have the strength to try and get back on a third time? How did they know that if Rose started to die without her lifebelt, they would have been able to get it off the door and back onto her? And if they'd had to do that, how would they both have survived anyway? It's just impossible.
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@Eri Chan Yeah, was kind of thinking as I typed! But I suppose that illustrates the point that we just can't proclaim something needless or inevitable at immediately obvious face value.
@@catherinespark dude it's just a love story chill bro
@@catherinespark tldr
Ok so to get this clear, they both did try to get onto the door but their weight together was too heavy for the door to hold them at the same time. Besides, Jack saved Rose. He gave her the life she wanted instead of being stuck with her mother who just kept telling her what and what not to do. She wasn’t even allowed to pick food on her own. Everywhere she went, Cal just told love joy to go look for her. She had no freedom but Jack gave it to her by sacrificing himself
Just imagine the life she would have had if she married that brute, Caledon.
this discussion will always annoy me because while jack very well could have survived if things went differently, for the purpose of the story he had to die. titanic was a tragedy and it would have been out of place for two fictional characters to get their happy ending.
Dying because “the story demands it” is called bad writing
@@cyborgbob1017 so you think the ending would’ve been better if jack lived? cause i dont. it makes roses story that much more meaningful that she was ready to die when she met jack and wanted to die with him before she fulfilled her promise and lived her life to the fullest to honour him.
Actually this wouldn't have worked because if you look at the life vest that were made back then. The strings were designed only on the backside so they wouldn't of been able to strap it around from both ends
Jack death wasn't needless.. He made the movie earn 2 billion dollars cuz damn that scene was emotional😢
Hahaha
Keep in mind, though: What kind of life would they have had in the post tragedy, anyway? In 1912, a marriage between a rich girl and a poor boy would’ve been STRONGLY frowned upon.
Anand Kumar but he didn't get the Oscar
the plot was that there would be a board not big enough for two, so it's not a matter of testing
Anand Kumar u right
"Ill never let go, Jack" - she said, moments before letting go xD
The fact that this is a video topic and discussion and it popped up on my feed I'm dying 😅
The board couldn't hold both Jack and Rose in the movie because Hollywood needed to add loads of drama before the end.
Fuzzy Peach lol
American Tabby they are talking in the real titanic yeah Hollywood intended it so Jack died but in the real titanic?
Ki Ki jack and rose were fictional characters written for the film.
There was real Jack in the real titanic.
Because the irl story of Titanic was much more optimistic? Titanic was a tragedy, how were you expecting the movie to end?
One word: hypothermia. That water is cold af.
Presumably, 28°F (-2°C)
Air temperature was 32°F (0°C)
In conclusion: yeah, they were pretty fucked.
They could've cuddled.
Plus they were both tired and panicking at the same time that they couldn't think straight
@@Chucklebot_ That wouldn't cut it. Realistically, both would die of hypothermia either way.
Unless you are Danish that person who is used to the freezing temperatures.
Realistically in freezing temperature that wouldn’t have worked, you saw how much they struggled and they cheated.
Well Jack even said "Water that cold, like right down there. It hits you like a thousand knives stabbing you all over your body. You can't breath, you can't think. At least about anything but the pain." So in freezing cold water, they wouldn't have been focused on problem solving when it came to 'how can we fit two people on this piece of wood without capsizing or sinking it?' Look I hate that Jack died too but Rose in the end kept her promise to him and returned to Titanic in spirit to reunite with him.
One thing people over look about this scene... Rose did try to share the door with Jack. Every time Jack tried to get on the door would dip causing Rose to fall off. Therefore Jack just held on to the door and Rose until she realized he died.
Have you ever tried getting on a raft with other people? They tried getting on it from the same side, so naturally the other side raises into the air. They needed to get onto it from opposing sides to balance out the weight.
@No love Uh, clearly, neither of you watched the full video before commenting.
Well I don't mean to body shame but if Rose had been a bit slimmer then maybe they both could of fit on the door. 🤣 J/k don't kill me 😁
after seeing your comment i watched that part again and its certified from the movie that jack only tried to hop on to the door once that also when the door was tilted making its back more into the air. jack should have let rose stabilize on that door first then he should have manuevered the door and climbed on it.
Exactly!!!!! I don’t know why people comment that there was room. Yes there was room. But with both of them it was sinking. It’s a door not a boat. 🤦🏻♀️😂
Here's how Jack can survive...
If Rose just stay on the f*ckin boat..
Same... Why the hell she came back...
So that she can take the floating door from jack...?
No, in titanic script jack was planned to die.
😂 true
@@medusa2855 he could have jumped on the boat. Jack is also clearly not a dumbass, bc he found debris for rose to lay on
Have you ever heard of the butterfly effect ?
Difference: it happened in the frozen water of north Atlantic at night. You can't think that frozen and shocking people will enjoy stabilising a door. You both are very calm and the sea isn't even deep.
Yeah it works but it was cold and Jack needed a lot of energy just to keep the perfect balance
He didn't wanna risk it, it was was a tragic love story and was a better ending if Jack died while rose lived on to tell the story. And for those of you that were saying rose lied when she said "I'll never let go", what she meant was that she'll never let go of what jack made her promise to him that she will live
No he meant never let go of the future, go on to be great ,have babies etc.
cat henes yes I know, but that was the promise that jack made to rose
Cool, but did jack know she meant that? Cus, he seemed to be holding on pretty hard.
God is dead. Yes jack knew she meant that bc he made her promise him that she would live through this night
Ohh Grumpy Cat shut the fuck up she didn't married with another guy u see her alone in the beginning of the movie
1920: We will have flying cars.
Now: A "Titanic" Myth: Would Jack Have Survived if Rose Had Shared the Door?
There are flying car out there
But not commercial, I mean it's has been built
taxis in Dubai are flying cars
It's called a plane
Martin Ng hahahaha
I love you guys for doing this
Okay, but how much of this was affected by the fact that they're doing this as two prepared, calm people who are not in freezing water, just flopping and hoping to grapple for the best? This is like comparing driving an obstacle course on a normal sunny day to driving an obstacle course while drunk and in the rain. It is the difference between being capable and potentially being helpless.
As well, Jack was willing to die before risking that he sank both of them, which makes a huge difference. The first time he saw Rose go into the frigid waters, he wasn't willing to keep fighting. Additionally the most defining characteristic of Rose, up to that moment was that she'd done what she was told her entire life, down to almost marrying a guy she didn't even like, let alone love. If Jack, the one person she trusted, told her to do something in a life or death situation, she wasn't going to argue it.
Is everyone just glossing over the fact that they had James Cameron on the show
Why is James Cameron so broke that he’s working as a janitor?
hahahah i haven't seen a single comment about james cameron
he really just came and went
I’ve never glossed over something so much in my entire life lol
Rose is the one of dislike this test
Damn im surprised she is still alive today!
JLS Productions sadly she sied in 2011
died
:(
Jack didn't want to fat shame on the off chance that he might get some of that last moment action !
It's funny how people just ignored thousands who died, and only felt sad for a simp.
Panic and fear is one of the things that saves a person in peril. Humans are desperate creatures, and find really unique ways to fight back and/or escape. I feel like the initial shock would pass, and the fact that it's cold would force people to revert back to the primal instinct of "keep moving, be safe, keep warm, survive" and they'd get creative. Everyone makes it sound like everybody fell in the water and were like "ah well shit, we're not Myth Busters, and it's cold here, so I guess it's time to die.". the fact that atleast 80% of their bodies were not submerged would help them survive provided that they care for eachother and probably don't won't to die, and use a little bit of brain power to find some more rubbish to help them out.
True. Adrenaline is a key factor in survival.
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Sofia Valyaeva i mean if this did happened to us, i wouldnt mind u sitting on top of me while i lay down on the raft ;3
"Cold shock is a lot more complicated and dangerous than just gasping for air. The instant that cold water makes contact with your skin, you will experience a number of potentially lethal shock responses."
www.coldwatersafety.org/ColdShock.html
Guys let’s be real they both tried to get on the door but then the door flipped over on them
No shit.
I mean they could’ve tried again
Angel Scott their bodies were already shutting down
no offense to these two guys but they probably weighed more than roses and jack
When suffering from hypothermia, your critical thinking brain shuts down quickly
1. The temperature here is much higher than the freezing water in the Atlantic at night....you would die of shock, hypothermia or exhaustion ...max 45 min is what you can survive in that température...most people died in 15
2. Adding the life jacket underneath is risky as anything could happen and if the door gets away from you, you've lost the life jacket too and will drown.
3. Jack and Rose wouldn't be the same weight...so the door would tilt over
One of the handful of people who went into the water when the titanic went and survived was a Chinese immigrant from steerage who by shear good-luck happened to quickly swim into a floating table and haul himself up onto it and out of the water, while still very cold soaking wet in freezing air he lasted long enough for one of the lifeboats to find and rescue him.
Not in the same fashion, but 100s of "Jacks" sacrificed their lives that night & drowned with the hope thay their beloved would reach ashore safely.
This is heart touching to think of.
:)❤
Another 100 other Jacks would've selfishly tried to get on board to let their loved ones die. Doesn't sound so romantic now does it?
Jinx Solaei then they wouldn’t have been Jacks.
@@maiseree1511 they are Cal. Not jacks.
the original Nice Guys
Kim Hyoyeon The Dancing Queen absolute Savage
"Jacks death was Memeless"
he said needless
Damla B. Its a joke
You all need a hearing aid.
EpicGoatman Jack and Rose aren't real it's a love story but yes he shouldn't survive
EpicGoatman I
Fun Fact:There was a Famous Tennis Player on the ship and he got frostbite on his legs and they said they had to remove them but he knew that would end his career
So he got up and started walking
Even though there was lots of pain he made it through and they did not have to remove his legs!
When both guys are above the door you can see clearly the water cover their bodies at least a half, and considering that Jack and Rosa was wearing few clothes, would have been enough to suffer hypothermia
Granted I doubt Jack even had the basic knowledge of physics so...
Noyle you dont need knowledge of physics to fucking lay down
And the actual Titanic sunk in the saltwater ocean, which makes things float even more easily; the life-jacket below the door probably wouldn't even be needed.
Well, next time you physics experts are floating around a ship debris field in freezing ocean water and in between not passing out from extreme cold and fighting off other passengers trying to grab at you, you can McGyver yoru life jacket onto a large piece of furniture and test that theory all rational and calm.
Rose C: Have you ever wondered why people say your life flashed before your eyes before you die? It’s your brain looking for a solution. They would remember this, and apply it.
He somehow knew the ship would pull them down...
In titanic if rose stayed on the lifeboat that Jack told her to then Jack would’ve got the peace of wood so then they would both survive basically.
I think it's trying to communicate
Te Tee Who? You?
Life Of Greta He may not have ended up in the same position. Also, it kills the romantic vibe of the movie for Rose to be ok being rescued without Jack.
Life Of Greta things might have played out differently for jack he rose hadn't left the little boat. it looks like it was jacks time to go whichever way you slice it.
He definitely would have died anyways because, when Rose got in the life boat, Jack was handcuffed below the deck. If she hadn’t have getten out of the life boat to find him, he would have still died anyway.
Jack did in fact try and get onto the door but it tipped over and he didn’t want rose going in the water so he let her stay on
If Jack had not died then you would not feel any sorrow for him or for Rose and the movie would have been forgettable. Some movies - Dirty Dancing - you remember for happy endings, others such as this you remember for the tragedy.
No, Jack was actually in hibernation inside ice since then
Waiting for a one eye man to find him and recruit him in project Avengers
😂 New captain america?
Jack Dawson is Captain America confirmed lol
He is the avatar
I love James Cameron's answer to this question. Jack died because he had to. The script said so.
Even is the execution is not as good as it could have been, Jack was going to die one way or another. Also, having even 20% of your body in sub-freezing water for 60 minutes with the other 80% exposed to sub-freezing air temperatures would have easily killed both of them.
Akash Pawar Could if taken turns on the door or just have not met and Jack would’ve lived.
First part, I was an idiot lol. I was half asleep when posting this, and me being my stupid self, I later defended my comment because I thought I was correct
SCP-096/Smoke so just jump in and out of the freezing water to make sure you’re soaked when you sit in the freezing air
@@thescpearrapemaster6204 not really
She actually had icicles in her hair. Dunno how long the one lifeboat took to return in reality?
@@thescpearrapemaster6204 no it wouldnt dry. It would freeze almost instantly making the clothes weigh more and basically be a sheet of ice. Trying swimming when your clothes are basically sheets of glass
Jack's death was dramaturgically necessary. Had he survived, the magic of their encounter would have been lost in everyday life, thus stealing the energy to produce the photos the camera passes by at the end of the film showing exactly the stages in Rose's life that Jack had prophesied to her at the moment of his death
The storyline behind Jack and Rose is fake. Their real names were Jack Thayer and Beatrice Wood and they never met each other on the ship and to let you know both of them survived the Titanic.
Cause I'm sure in the overall peaceful scenario they were in, that slicing up a life vest and securing it under the wood would have been an obvious first reaction.