I've been especially interested of Hellas Planitia past few years. Glad you're increasing its awareness to a wider audience. Heckin lowest point on Mars with 1.3% of athmospheric pressure compared to Earth's sea level. Not a total vacuum.
ngl, Badwater is a pretty good name, though not technically "legal". But best of luck naming Calypso Crater. It's an awesome name. Even more so now, that you saw how much it's connected to water, since Calypso is a nymph in Greek Mythology. I sure will call it that in my head from now on
@@Nikolaj11 kinda fair, actually. I just meant that, if Mars had a more regular/active water cycle, that Badwater Crater might display similar processes as Badwater Basin on earth. I think that's neat
While I do prefer the name Calypso, I'm glad that Badwater had significance and wasn't just tossed out there by someone who wanted to name it after their home town or something
@@WizardToby I think that makes it pretty inappropriate. Giving an asteroid and a crater the same name, ok. Nobody will confuse those two. But two distinct depressions in the same solar system with the very same name? That's nuts!
RIGHT First of all that's just a stupid name and I can't fathom why anyone would like it but also PETITION TO CHANGE THE NAME The deepest point should be called Calypso and so that the guys who named it to begin with can still feel like special little snowflakes we can call the newly discovered one Badwater
On Google Earth Pro, there's an option to use a map of Mars. Google Earth Pro also happens to have an 'elevation of cursor' indicator, and it suggests the deepest point of Badwater is at -8528 metres. That is within a small depression at the centre of Badwater (a sub-crater, if you will) which, maybe, could be named 'Tartarus' or 'Hades' as some have suggested?
I was really hoping the depth would be named after the house of Hades, uh.. Hades. It would be very poetic to have the highest point be Mount Olympus and the lowest point be Hades Deep or something. But Calypso is nice!
I agree with your reasoning, but I would extend it behond Mars. Olympus Mons is the highest peak on the *solar system*, so it would be amazing if Hades Deep would be the name given -by extention- to the lowest point in the *entire solar system*. What would that be though, hard to say. Do we consider only the lowest "terrestrial" place, or do we include places beneath the water, like for example Europa? "Hades Deep", the "Mariana trench" of Europa and the lowest crust point in the entire known solar system 😂
Are the deep channels of sub-surface brine already named? And if not, what would be the rules for naming such places? I personally feel like them being such deep channels where water once flowed, they should be named after the rivers believed to flow through Hades' realm, Erebus. Like Styx, or Phlegathon.
I had the exact same thought! Another cool greek derived name would be Acheron, the river that Charos, the ferryman of souls, would traverse on his way to Hades
I don't think it's been confirmed that these channels do in fact exist (that's why he was mentioning the "optimistic hats" and the need for further attention into this region in the future) If they do get studied and confirmed I agree that Greek rivers or mythological rivers would be great sources for the names
the results are already out from what i can tell it doesn’t look like the IAU sent an email to anyone when nameexoworlds was done, so i’m not sure many people even know the results are out yet
I think that determination and commitment to defining new territories by giving them names is far from juvenile - it’s been the fundamental human experience for thousands of years
Nice video. You are channeling some of that Vsauce energy with that very entertaining technique of a "rabbit hole" topic with winding path to the conclusion. I have myself sometimes wondered what the precise deepest depth of Hellas is, but unlike you I always thought it's "Marianas Trench"-like depression to the southwest of your crater.
I think we need a higher resolution elevation map of the area! It's really hard to tell which one is actually deeper, Badwater or the Hellas Chasma, but I think you're right that the Chasma is the more significant "depth"
Find it with a computer program: Have it check each pixel in a heightmap. If the heightmap is greyscale, it's easy. It's not so easy if it shows depth by hue, but I'm sure there are libraries to convert the colors to a value. I'd do it if I didn't have other things to do right now. By the way, where do you get a good heightmap from?
Ngl, Areography analysis was and is, to me, your finest example of original research and IDC whether you got your well-earned right of nomenclature Even if you were robbed, this is the exact content I would unironically irresponsible kinds of money for 😂
Badwater is better as a name for a mining town in the Old West. The kind where an old lady calls you a slur in the street, and then Gene Wilder assures you that these people are simple farmers. Y'know. Morons.
Very good and pretty accurate video. congrats. I like to point out that Hellas Impact basin is one of the oldest, i believe Utopia Basin is older. IAU are not great at presenting info like this, i did ask them a while back to define and put on their maps the extent of Lowland, Highland plains etc. While some of it is mapped out , it's pretty basic. Anyway i point people to a subreddit called r/Areography if their intrested in the geography of mars
Speaking of Badwater crater, it is *also* not named in the video game Per Aspera, however it is the first place which gathers water when you terraform the planet.
there is a way to install that software used to generate the topographical map at 4:52. I did it myself somehow in a sleepless night after seeing a wonderful render of the North Pole of Mercury. If installed correctly it's basically a Google Maps for planet topography, where you can wander, measure and explore around. It could have really helped with finding the exact deepest point of Mars, down to the very resolution limit of the available data; and you could still try to find an even deeper point or confirm the current one with maximum precision
Cool that you don't want to do sponsorships anymore! I hate them too, like all ads. I hope it works out with Patreon! You're vids are great, I just love your channel(s).
Well (a deep subject), your efforts are not wasted. You have drawn attention to a feature on Mars that I have been drawn to for maybe 30 years. This is largely because of the increased atmospheric pressure, which moves the subsurface ice closer to melting, and not just sublimating. Incidentally those ephemeral channels which move down-slope can be found almost ALL over Mars. Get a better map of the Hellas Basin, and you will see numerous dry channels on the Eastern rim. My favorite of all of these is the much larger river-bed at the base of what I believe to be a glacier on Aeolus Mons [you know, Gale Crater]. It flows into a sizable lakebed with those same dark patches you see in Hellas. [The minerals in these low points have converted into dark blue compounds. . . Ferrous oxide. So, water is implied, without being present.] Why Hellas has been all but ignored baffles me. It should have been the #1 go for rovers like Spirit and Opportunity, which I followed for years like they were puppies. If only we could be content to raise temperatures at Hellas a few degrees, there would likely be the formation [during the afternoon only] of briny water. Yes, I hate to say it, but it would be BAD water. Very bad water. . . !
Nice video. I have been interested in this area for 30 years and have always been surprised by the apparent lack of interest by the scientific community and the sparse information on it. Thanks for doing this.
Escalante Crater in Mars was named after my uncle Francisco Javier Escalante Placarte. In 1963 he discovered that crater. He dedicated more than 50 of his life to study the "Red Planet".
I guess I'm the only person in the comments who, after finding out the crater was named 'Badwater,' thought 'hmm, yeah, that makes complete sense' and wasn't really bothered by the naming issues.
Hi, I have a suggestion for a possibly very interesting and new research: Are there actually shrimps in the Dead sea? It's another island dwarfism type of event, I am pretty sure, and perhaps it would be very interesting to know how such an animal got there, and also relate it to the geography of the region. It's a recent discovery, and the reason I am proposing this is that it haven't been researched yet, so when you discover something new in that field you are probably the first one to think on it. Hope you find it interesting if you decide it's worth a while.😊
It’s a really cool rabbit hole learning about all the ways CO2 has helped shape the geology of Mars; even still how it’s playing an active role in shaping the landscape today
Bravo, Great video. I followed a similar investigation and Hellas Planitia about 10 years ago when I found out that it was the only place above the triple point of water. I outlined a short story about this being the place for an early Mars colony.
In Google Earth desktop app's Explore Mars mode this crater is named as Badwater. It's an odd crater as it has a central depression as if it had a double hit. It's fascinating that it ould be the last place on Mars that natural liquid water would have existed freely on the surface.
The dark streaks you point out in the two craters look more like dust devil tracks to my eye. There are the possible flow features (RSL) in the upper-left wall of Badwater Crater, but I don't see them in the other crater.
after getting inspiration from your extinct butterfly video i did some research and it looks like these two species are not extinct. For more info you can check the GBIF background on which ITIS is based. Nearly 2 occurrences were detected for C.s. sthenele and 17 for C.s. behrii
I have a reason why Calypso Crater would be a particularly good name for that second crater: the Messinian sainity crisis. Around 5-6 million years ago, the strait of Gibraltar closed, turning the Mediterranean into an endorheic basin that almost completely dried up as a result. Only a handful of significant bodies of water survived, all of them salt lakes similar to those found in North America's the Great Basin - of which Death Valley is a part. My guess is that Calypso would have been the deepest point of one of these salt lakes, making it an ideal choice of name for a crater in that part of Hellas with such easily identifiable evidence of liquid water.
I would love to see a follow up, in fact I'm looking forward to it! Even if it is a shorter form video than you are used to, I am excited to see where this process leads you in the coming weeks 😄
Since we are talking about naming the deepest holes on Mars, how about towns around the Dead Sea, the deepest hole on Earth that is land? Ein Gedi would be more palatable than Sodom or Gomorrah, and we could use Qumran for where the Scrolls were written. These were all small towns, at least at some point in history. Kibbutz Ein Gedi is the modern settlement.
A funny detail in the video at 12:18: the wooden sign in badwater basin: the altitude given is 282 feet/855 meters below sea level. 282 feet is true, but that correponds to 86 meters, not 855. The guy who made the conversion did it the wrong way! Apparently, this sign still stands proud, indicating how deep the ignorance of the metric system is in the US. 🤣
to the southeast of badwater and southwest of calypso, very close to alpheus colles elevation, i notice a small crater at a place where the surroundings are also about as low as it gets. i think this might be deeper than badwater
There's already a moon (of Saturn) named Calypso, and a large asteroid named Kalypso. These might make Calypso a less attractive name for a crater on Mars.
on one hand, i think Calypso is a much more fitting name as a whole, but badwater with the possible brine connection is really cool as well. if anything i wish we named badwater something better, or kept an indigenous name for it and had that be used. Eitherway just learning about any of this is wonderful
i can only imagine badwater crater is named after badwater basin in california's death valley. while it is unfortunate that you were beaten to the punch, i do like the name badwater
Power to the people! But for accuracy's sake, the boat famously DIDN'T get named that. They named a small submersible on the boat instead... and they didn't even change it to Subby Mcsubface.... the insult. It's not even a boat!
My initial reaction was that 'Badwater' was a very bad name for a Marian crater. However, it may be that the crater has 'bad water' in it. Perhaps whoever named it also recognized that, and felt the name was doubly appropriate.
Love the video! Suggestion: please raise the overall volume of the video. It seems a bit too low volume. Maybe some compression would even things out for you.
Yes and yes! Though the Astro Pro little intro was way too loud comparatively. I had to slap my volume button and then turn it back up once he started speaking again.
I think it's pretty naive of you to think you were the first to recognize it 😂. I actually remember looking through an elevation map just like the one you used (google mars), and I found that same crater and wondered what it was called, but never did the research, so thanks for finding the name! Also, you were one of the first to go through and try to name it, so that's cool :)
agreed, my volume is normally set to 18 for pretty much everything. I turned it up to 42 for this video to get roughly the same real level As someone with some audio engineering training, my guess is whoever is editing the audio is using HQ headphones and not checking out the mix on other speaker systems lol. best practice is to give it a final pass on multiple types of speakers, your mixing headphones, studio monitors, and I'd reccomend checking how it sounds through your phone speakers, and also through a cars stereo
@@switch158o be fair, it's a UA-cam video, not a chart topping album lol Edit: but ofc you're right, if the editor would have done all those steps, it would sound more leveled
Your videos are so top level you could get sponsorships from a scamy "countertop composters" companies and i wouldn't complain one bit. Its a journey every time so thanks for taking us along for the ride
“Arieography” seemed like an odd name for Mars geography to me at first, then I realized that geo- comes from the Greek word for earth, so it checks out.
The name exo worlds results are out! Idk if you already knew this, but I participated and didn’t get an email when it was done, so maybe you didn’t get one either
No offense, but in the document you provided in your sources "Grid-mapping Hellas Planitia", in the second figure, you can clearly see "Badwater" written on top of your crater... Great video, keep up the good work
Oof! I know the feeling of getting your hopes up over some discovery you think you've made. :) But I'm slightly envious of your chance to possibly name another crater! :D
also this is very interesting indeed . . . if we have proof of water flowing on mars on a human scale than this makes hellas one of the most dynamic and interesting places that mars has to offer and besides the slight risk of getting stuck in a still wet deposit the area is prettymuch asking for a mission
What you're looking at at 15:56 isn't from any water. These are dust devil tracks; they routinely pick up the red dust of Mars and, if there's a darker subsurface, reveals that darker color. What you ignored was the polygon terrain in the middle of the crater, which occurs from freezing and thawing cycles of groundwater in very cold regions.
I feel like the mythologies are a little overused. Badwater is a much better name because it's more unique and points us to a site of similar significance on earth. not to mention Calypso is already a moon of Saturn.
I think Mars' lowest point was when it lost it's magnetosphere. Only went downhill from there.
I see what you did there. ;)
If it went downhill from there, then how could that possibly have been the lowest point?
ohhh thats a smart thing u did there
@@lonestarr1490i was gonna say that as well
@@vladimirlenin843i was gonna say that as well
tartarus would be a perfect name for the deepest point of mars
Another good name! Maybe that's what we should name that other irregular depression nearby!
@@AtlasPro1 Submit Styx as a name for the underground river!
Ah, someone beat me to it! I agree with this sentiment
@@AtlasPro1being an Arizonan myself, I think saguaro crater for the hottest crater could be nice.
goeketry daasg
The raised portion of Calypso Crater could also be called Ogygia for the island Calypso in the Greek myths was exiled on
There is an island in Antarctica named Ogygia.
@@khatian6350 There is a town in Greece named Calypso and a pond in California named Badwater
I've been especially interested of Hellas Planitia past few years. Glad you're increasing its awareness to a wider audience. Heckin lowest point on Mars with 1.3% of athmospheric pressure compared to Earth's sea level. Not a total vacuum.
That’s what I’m talking about! Everyone knows Olympus Mons, but everyone is sleeping on Hellas!
Honestly Calypso is so much better sounding than Badwater
The whole video I was thinking that, calypso crater is just so much a better name than badwater crater
There's already a moon (of Saturn) named Calypso, and a large asteroid named Kalypso.
I like Badwater
@@booradley1138It’s not as if anyone’s gonna confuse a crater with the other two.
@@skan5728 I like Badwater too, it doesn't sound THAT bad, but Calypso just sounds better. And the meaning behind it actually makes more sense
ngl, Badwater is a pretty good name, though not technically "legal". But best of luck naming Calypso Crater. It's an awesome name. Even more so now, that you saw how much it's connected to water, since Calypso is a nymph in Greek Mythology. I sure will call it that in my head from now on
You think? When I hear the name "Badwater" I think of when the water company does an oopsie in my area and my water turns cloudy for a few days xD
@@Nikolaj11Sounds like somewhere in the wild west to me. I am an American, so ig I'd be familiar with names of places like that.
@@Nikolaj11 kinda fair, actually. I just meant that, if Mars had a more regular/active water cycle, that Badwater Crater might display similar processes as Badwater Basin on earth. I think that's neat
While I do prefer the name Calypso, I'm glad that Badwater had significance and wasn't just tossed out there by someone who wanted to name it after their home town or something
Outrageous flouting of the rules for Badwater! This can only be forgiven by the recognition of Calypso, nothing else shall do!
I can't even pretend to object to badwater, that is a good name and they were right to bend the rules for it.
Badwater Basin is also the name of the lowest point on North America in Death Valley so it's pretty appropriate.
@@WizardToby yes, it's a good choice. It's just funny the official record doesn't seem to recognise its an exception made for decent reason.
@@WizardToby I think that makes it pretty inappropriate. Giving an asteroid and a crater the same name, ok. Nobody will confuse those two. But two distinct depressions in the same solar system with the very same name? That's nuts!
RIGHT
First of all that's just a stupid name and I can't fathom why anyone would like it but also
PETITION TO CHANGE THE NAME
The deepest point should be called Calypso and so that the guys who named it to begin with can still feel like special little snowflakes we can call the newly discovered one Badwater
On Google Earth Pro, there's an option to use a map of Mars. Google Earth Pro also happens to have an 'elevation of cursor' indicator, and it suggests the deepest point of Badwater is at -8528 metres. That is within a small depression at the centre of Badwater (a sub-crater, if you will) which, maybe, could be named 'Tartarus' or 'Hades' as some have suggested?
It's good to see one of TF2's most iconic maps getting name recognition on the Martian surface.
Official bread space sequel map
cant wait for 2fort crater
metalworks crater sounds sick af
I was really hoping the depth would be named after the house of Hades, uh.. Hades. It would be very poetic to have the highest point be Mount Olympus and the lowest point be Hades Deep or something.
But Calypso is nice!
I agree with your reasoning, but I would extend it behond Mars. Olympus Mons is the highest peak on the *solar system*, so it would be amazing if Hades Deep would be the name given -by extention- to the lowest point in the *entire solar system*.
What would that be though, hard to say. Do we consider only the lowest "terrestrial" place, or do we include places beneath the water, like for example Europa? "Hades Deep", the "Mariana trench" of Europa and the lowest crust point in the entire known solar system 😂
@@alphamorion4314 that's an even cooler proposal and I totally agree.
Are the deep channels of sub-surface brine already named? And if not, what would be the rules for naming such places? I personally feel like them being such deep channels where water once flowed, they should be named after the rivers believed to flow through Hades' realm, Erebus. Like Styx, or Phlegathon.
I had the exact same thought! Another cool greek derived name would be Acheron, the river that Charos, the ferryman of souls, would traverse on his way to Hades
@@Kostas_Ountsis agreed!
I don't think it's been confirmed that these channels do in fact exist (that's why he was mentioning the "optimistic hats" and the need for further attention into this region in the future)
If they do get studied and confirmed I agree that Greek rivers or mythological rivers would be great sources for the names
Good luck next time naming an extraterrestrial object!
the results are already out
from what i can tell it doesn’t look like the IAU sent an email to anyone when nameexoworlds was done, so i’m not sure many people even know the results are out yet
Jesus Christ. He is starting to make geographic breakthroughs at a multi-planetary level!
Great finds all around!!
Good news! Probably because of your video, Wikipedia now has an entry on Badwater Crater
I actually made that article
I think that determination and commitment to defining new territories by giving them names is far from juvenile - it’s been the fundamental human experience for thousands of years
I do enjoy the name being "Badwater", and just adding Basin to it will add a tf2 landmark to Mars.
I love how all this is available to the public. It allows this kind of stuff to be found by everyday people, and looked into further. So cool.
Nice video. You are channeling some of that Vsauce energy with that very entertaining technique of a "rabbit hole" topic with winding path to the conclusion.
I have myself sometimes wondered what the precise deepest depth of Hellas is, but unlike you I always thought it's "Marianas Trench"-like depression to the southwest of your crater.
I think we need a higher resolution elevation map of the area! It's really hard to tell which one is actually deeper, Badwater or the Hellas Chasma, but I think you're right that the Chasma is the more significant "depth"
Find it with a computer program: Have it check each pixel in a heightmap. If the heightmap is greyscale, it's easy. It's not so easy if it shows depth by hue, but I'm sure there are libraries to convert the colors to a value. I'd do it if I didn't have other things to do right now. By the way, where do you get a good heightmap from?
Ngl, Areography analysis was and is, to me, your finest example of original research and IDC whether you got your well-earned right of nomenclature
Even if you were robbed, this is the exact content I would unironically irresponsible kinds of money for 😂
I think most of us think that Calypso is a better name than "Badwater". I wonder what name/s they gave to their child if they ever have one.
If they are indeed from California, you might be better off not knowing...
"Mistake"
Helen Payne
Badwater is better as a name for a mining town in the Old West. The kind where an old lady calls you a slur in the street, and then Gene Wilder assures you that these people are simple farmers.
Y'know. Morons.
Of course you think that, you just watched a video making the case for it.
Very good and pretty accurate video. congrats. I like to point out that Hellas Impact basin is one of the oldest, i believe Utopia Basin is older.
IAU are not great at presenting info like this, i did ask them a while back to define and put on their maps the extent of Lowland, Highland plains etc. While some of it is mapped out , it's pretty basic.
Anyway i point people to a subreddit called r/Areography if their intrested in the geography of mars
Here's hoping that "Calypso Crater" becomes official.
I'd prefer Calypso Point for the deepest part
No way man, Bad Water Gang 4 Lyfe
Speaking of Badwater crater, it is *also* not named in the video game Per Aspera, however it is the first place which gathers water when you terraform the planet.
there is a way to install that software used to generate the topographical map at 4:52. I did it myself somehow in a sleepless night after seeing a wonderful render of the North Pole of Mercury.
If installed correctly it's basically a Google Maps for planet topography, where you can wander, measure and explore around. It could have really helped with finding the exact deepest point of Mars, down to the very resolution limit of the available data; and you could still try to find an even deeper point or confirm the current one with maximum precision
Badwater is also adjacent to the highest peak in its mountain chain. A less analagous but still fun fact that is probably relevant here.
Just wanted to say: Your channel is amongst the most interesting ones out there....always brilliant, thanks!
Cool that you don't want to do sponsorships anymore! I hate them too, like all ads. I hope it works out with Patreon! You're vids are great, I just love your channel(s).
Well (a deep subject), your efforts are not wasted. You have drawn attention to a feature on Mars that I have been drawn to for maybe 30 years. This is largely because of the increased atmospheric pressure, which moves the subsurface ice closer to melting, and not just sublimating. Incidentally those ephemeral channels which move down-slope can be found almost ALL over Mars. Get a better map of the Hellas Basin, and you will see numerous dry channels on the Eastern rim. My favorite of all of these is the much larger river-bed at the base of what I believe to be a glacier on Aeolus Mons [you know, Gale Crater]. It flows into a sizable lakebed with those same dark patches you see in Hellas. [The minerals in these low points have converted into dark blue compounds. . . Ferrous oxide. So, water is implied, without being present.]
Why Hellas has been all but ignored baffles me. It should have been the #1 go for rovers like Spirit and Opportunity, which I followed for years like they were puppies. If only we could be content to raise temperatures at Hellas a few degrees, there would likely be the formation [during the afternoon only] of briny water. Yes, I hate to say it, but it would be BAD water. Very bad water. . . !
Nice video. I have been interested in this area for 30 years and have always been surprised by the apparent lack of interest by the scientific community and the sparse information on it. Thanks for doing this.
Escalante Crater in Mars was named after my uncle Francisco Javier Escalante Placarte. In 1963 he discovered that crater. He dedicated more than 50 of his life to study the "Red Planet".
I guess I'm the only person in the comments who, after finding out the crater was named 'Badwater,' thought 'hmm, yeah, that makes complete sense' and wasn't really bothered by the naming issues.
Hi, I have a suggestion for a possibly very interesting and new research:
Are there actually shrimps in the Dead sea?
It's another island dwarfism type of event, I am pretty sure, and perhaps it would be very interesting to know how such an animal got there, and also relate it to the geography of the region.
It's a recent discovery, and the reason I am proposing this is that it haven't been researched yet, so when you discover something new in that field you are probably the first one to think on it.
Hope you find it interesting if you decide it's worth a while.😊
The species is called Artemia Salina, and there's almost no information available on the internet about what it's doing in the Dead sea
Sounds interesting! I'll look into it!
It’s a really cool rabbit hole learning about all the ways CO2 has helped shape the geology of Mars; even still how it’s playing an active role in shaping the landscape today
Bravo, Great video. I followed a similar investigation and Hellas Planitia about 10 years ago when I found out that it was the only place above the triple point of water. I outlined a short story about this being the place for an early Mars colony.
"Compared to Badwater Crater or- sure, why not? Calypso Crater" pffffftttttt I lost it 🤣 🤣 🤣 Go pursue that name!
Dude, so entertaining. Absolutely loved this video. Thank you.
In Google Earth desktop app's Explore Mars mode this crater is named as Badwater. It's an odd crater as it has a central depression as if it had a double hit. It's fascinating that it ould be the last place on Mars that natural liquid water would have existed freely on the surface.
When you realize you've driven through a small town with 300 some odd people that's now internet famous countless times
The dark streaks you point out in the two craters look more like dust devil tracks to my eye. There are the possible flow features (RSL) in the upper-left wall of Badwater Crater, but I don't see them in the other crater.
Also, polygonal terrain in the center: that's freeze-thaw action.
The geographer's urge to never consult any other fields ever :P
after getting inspiration from your extinct butterfly video i did some research and it looks like these two species are not extinct. For more info you can check the GBIF background on which ITIS is based. Nearly 2 occurrences were detected for C.s. sthenele and 17 for C.s. behrii
please reply I also commented on other of your videos
back in 2012 i was fascinated about this crater, hours and hours looking at satellite images on google earth in mars mode of this region
Ngl when I heard Badwater first thing i tought that crater was named after was Team Fortress's BadWater map.
maybe you missed opportunity to name the deepest crater on Mars, but you the one that make this crater well known.
I have a reason why Calypso Crater would be a particularly good name for that second crater: the Messinian sainity crisis.
Around 5-6 million years ago, the strait of Gibraltar closed, turning the Mediterranean into an endorheic basin that almost completely dried up as a result. Only a handful of significant bodies of water survived, all of them salt lakes similar to those found in North America's the Great Basin - of which Death Valley is a part. My guess is that Calypso would have been the deepest point of one of these salt lakes, making it an ideal choice of name for a crater in that part of Hellas with such easily identifiable evidence of liquid water.
Well done! You should be able to name more in the future
dude you're a massive nerd and I love that. We need more shamelessly optimistic nerds
I would love to see a follow up, in fact I'm looking forward to it!
Even if it is a shorter form video than you are used to, I am excited to see where this process leads you in the coming weeks 😄
Since we are talking about naming the deepest holes on Mars, how about towns around the Dead Sea, the deepest hole on Earth that is land? Ein Gedi would be more palatable than Sodom or Gomorrah, and we could use Qumran for where the Scrolls were written. These were all small towns, at least at some point in history. Kibbutz Ein Gedi is the modern settlement.
thank you so much for continuing to share this subject you're clearly so passionate about!
A funny detail in the video at 12:18: the wooden sign in badwater basin: the altitude given is 282 feet/855 meters below sea level. 282 feet is true, but that correponds to 86 meters, not 855. The guy who made the conversion did it the wrong way! Apparently, this sign still stands proud, indicating how deep the ignorance of the metric system is in the US. 🤣
Lol. I believe it used to be 85.5 though. Someone wiped out the decimal point.
There is now a Wikipedia page for Badwater Crater! It’s pretty short, but at least its on Wikipedia
I made it
I so enjoy your videos!! Thank you so much for sharing your juvenile enthousiasm with all of us!! And yes it is contagious!!
Good job with this, so fascinating.
I love the excitement and hope to really discover something really new. Kudos to you Atlas
I used to drive by this tiny town, barely two dozen people. A blink-and-you'll-miss-it kind of place. But it has a really cool name: Strathcona.
Thats amazing man!
to the southeast of badwater and southwest of calypso, very close to alpheus colles elevation, i notice a small crater at a place where the surroundings are also about as low as it gets. i think this might be deeper than badwater
17:39 underground water systems are common here on earth, aquifers!
There's already a moon (of Saturn) named Calypso, and a large asteroid named Kalypso. These might make Calypso a less attractive name for a crater on Mars.
on one hand, i think Calypso is a much more fitting name as a whole, but badwater with the possible brine connection is really cool as well. if anything i wish we named badwater something better, or kept an indigenous name for it and had that be used. Eitherway just learning about any of this is wonderful
i can only imagine badwater crater is named after badwater basin in california's death valley. while it is unfortunate that you were beaten to the punch, i do like the name badwater
Did you watch the video? He confirmed it was named after it, and he made that pretty clear.
And this is how that boat got named Boatymcboatface. 😆😆😆
Power to the people! But for accuracy's sake, the boat famously DIDN'T get named that. They named a small submersible on the boat instead... and they didn't even change it to Subby Mcsubface.... the insult. It's not even a boat!
Excellent work. I love how you go beyond your initial question.
My initial reaction was that 'Badwater' was a very bad name for a Marian crater. However, it may be that the crater has 'bad water' in it. Perhaps whoever named it also recognized that, and felt the name was doubly appropriate.
Your videos are inspiring and so interesting, thank you 🙂
RIP whoever has to deal with the influx of naming proposals.
Wait a second... is this an Aspro Pro video on the Atlas Pro channel? That's what I call an outstanding move ;)
You may just name the second deepest crater though! Glad to see some new videos from you.
21:21 Damn right you will! Here's to your boundless enthusiasm!
Calypso is named after a moon of Saturn, I am just not sure if the same name can be used twice.
Wtf is a Calypso doing in Saturn?
(What I meant is that it's not well know so...)
Love the video! Suggestion: please raise the overall volume of the video. It seems a bit too low volume. Maybe some compression would even things out for you.
Yes and yes! Though the Astro Pro little intro was way too loud comparatively. I had to slap my volume button and then turn it back up once he started speaking again.
His voice was quieter than the rest. A mixing mistake, I guess.
Badwater Crater sounds like a Martian set neo-Western villain hideout.
*I waited so long for this episode!*
I think it's pretty naive of you to think you were the first to recognize it 😂. I actually remember looking through an elevation map just like the one you used (google mars), and I found that same crater and wondered what it was called, but never did the research, so thanks for finding the name! Also, you were one of the first to go through and try to name it, so that's cool :)
Love the video, but could you turn up the volume for future ones? They've been rather quiet recently
agreed, my volume is normally set to 18 for pretty much everything. I turned it up to 42 for this video to get roughly the same real level
As someone with some audio engineering training, my guess is whoever is editing the audio is using HQ headphones and not checking out the mix on other speaker systems lol. best practice is to give it a final pass on multiple types of speakers, your mixing headphones, studio monitors, and I'd reccomend checking how it sounds through your phone speakers, and also through a cars stereo
@@switch158o be fair, it's a UA-cam video, not a chart topping album lol
Edit: but ofc you're right, if the editor would have done all those steps, it would sound more leveled
or pull the music down compared to the speach
3:30 Penus Palace ahahahahaha
I can already imagine the geopraphy tests 10 000 years in the future being exceedingly confusing.
Your videos are so top level you could get sponsorships from a scamy "countertop composters" companies and i wouldn't complain one bit. Its a journey every time so thanks for taking us along for the ride
I thought Atlas would've been a perfect name! You could use the excuse that it's the name of the Greek titan holding up the world from underneath
“Arieography” seemed like an odd name for Mars geography to me at first, then I realized that geo- comes from the Greek word for earth, so it checks out.
I’ve done my research! 😅
Calypso is already used for a number of more significant astrological features iirc
Thanks for the awesome content and great video!!!
The name exo worlds results are out!
Idk if you already knew this, but I participated and didn’t get an email when it was done, so maybe you didn’t get one either
No offense, but in the document you provided in your sources "Grid-mapping Hellas Planitia", in the second figure, you can clearly see "Badwater" written on top of your crater... Great video, keep up the good work
Oof! I know the feeling of getting your hopes up over some discovery you think you've made. :) But I'm slightly envious of your chance to possibly name another crater! :D
I am always excited about and impressed by your videos. You are awesome! Thank you
Dude you are awesome, such an inspiration! Good luck bro!
One of the most inspiring videos that I've ever seen
also this is very interesting indeed . . . if we have proof of water flowing on mars on a human scale than this makes hellas one of the most dynamic and interesting places that mars has to offer
and besides the slight risk of getting stuck in a still wet deposit the area is prettymuch asking for a mission
Badwater crater was added to Wikipedia by user Blueowl42 on 2 January 2016.
7:40 Oh sh*t! So that's where "Calypso Protocol" took it's name from!
What you're looking at at 15:56 isn't from any water. These are dust devil tracks; they routinely pick up the red dust of Mars and, if there's a darker subsurface, reveals that darker color.
What you ignored was the polygon terrain in the middle of the crater, which occurs from freezing and thawing cycles of groundwater in very cold regions.
Why would the markings be so prominent in that specific location?
I feel like the mythologies are a little overused. Badwater is a much better name because it's more unique and points us to a site of similar significance on earth. not to mention Calypso is already a moon of Saturn.
I'm honestly kind of disappointed, Calypso is such a more aesthetically pleasing name.
One of the reasons I didn't watch the older videos on Astro Pro is that I'd already watched them on Atlas Pro
Favorite channel ever you're so real
If you get everyone to start referring to it as Calypso Crater, you've basically named it in the end.
4:40 past participle of strike is struck, not striked. Notice the red underlines in any modern OS when you write the not-word striked.
Exciting and informative presentation!
im happy that you're doing space videos on this channel!!