As a retired gunsmith and peace officer I will give my thoughts. Then the keyboard warriors can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. In Vietnam, I carried a 1911A1 in 45 Auto. It was effective in engaging the enemy. I came home after three years of combat. Later, serving as a peace officer, I was engaged in three shootings using a big S&W mod 28 357mag. Managed to walk away from them all. Ok, those are my experiences in combat. As a gunsmith specializing in combat handguns, the .357mag, 38spl +P, and 45 Auto all performed well in armed conflicts with criminals. But one thing I've noticed in people, not weapons. Fads, marketing, and increasing sales. MONEY! I can go hunt anything in N. America with a .30'06 Springfield and be successful. But there's dozens of gunmakers that'll offer well over 50 others calibers saying they're better. Why? Easy. MONEY! I'll be blunt. The 9mm is the "it" caliber because they (gun makers and ammo companies) say so. The entire industry has promoted it simply to generate the most profits from the easily persuaded public. People are easily manipulated by image and hype. One has a Camero, the other's in a Corvette. Who's cooler? You be the judge. Not me. Fads come and go. 1930s to 1950s the 38spl was king. 1960s to 1980s it was the 357mag. 1980s to 2000 the 1911 was hotrod stuff. Today, it's the 9mm in plastic striker fire weapons. Fads and marketing. It's simple as that. As for me, an old cop and gunsmith? I'm past 70. I'm old and cantankerous to boot. I shoot hogs, coyotes, and other varmints in my woods with an 1873 design 45 Colt in a Single Action Army revolver. Why? I don't follow fads. I believe in what works for me.😏
I appreciate the presentation, although you made a couple of errors regarding the Miami 1986 shootout. No agents were firing .357 magnum, their revolvers were loaded with 38+p. Agent Dove fired a 9mm Silvertip 115 gr into Platt. A 45 acp hardball or a .357 magnum would more than likely have penetrated through Platt's heart and caused enough damage to prevent him from executing the other agents. In my opinion, that is the lesson. I defer to Dr. Martin Fackler's conclusions that the most important aspect of bullet performance is penetration, second the size of the wound, and third don't depend on an expanding bullet. Modern bullet technology might usurp the third aspect but not the first two. I agree with your conclusion though, and as a firearm instructor I recommend 9mm as a compromise for many people. I choose to carry 45acp, although there is a time and place for a small 9mm with the right ammo - HST or Critical Duty.
While I am a huge fan of the 40 S&W, I did recently a few months ago decide to switch to my 9mm to be my main EDC at least for my work carry and when I go to larger stores just because it is so much more affordable to train with it frequently, and my 40 S&W was retired as a carry gun and now serves as my home defense gun. I still bring it with me just to get a little bit of Trigger Time with it here and there but yeah, it just made all the sense in the world to me to go with the 9mm as my main EDC.
Imo .40 is objectively a better cartridge, but the affordability of 9mm is the deciding factor for me too. Plus these new micro 9s that are the size of single stack .380s but are double stack 9s
Minor point but the FBI/Dade shoot out involved the Ruger Mini-14, not AK-47. Another point, this is from the Wiki on the subject; There is a persistent myth that the 10mm's sharp recoil proved too much for most agents to control effectively, and a special reduced velocity loading was developed; commonly referred to as the "10 mm Lite" or "10 mm FBI". However the FBI developed its reduced velocity 10mm cartridge before the 1076 pistol was developed to fire it. No agents were ever issued full power 10mm ammo because the reduced velocity ammo was developed before the FBI selected the 10mm cartridge.
@@CarryTrainerI seen a documentary about the North Hollywood bank robbery / shootout, that was absolutely insane and is a good example of why it is absurd to go woke on the police by taking their rifles away. It's absolutely ridiculous that it took almost an hour to end that shootout when there was only two active shooters. I'm pretty sure if those officers were allowed to have Patrol rifles, that would have ended very quickly.
If you run the numbers concerning ballistics, recoil impulse, firearm size and reliability, the 357 sig is the best commercially produced semi automatic pistol round…. Period. Tho I’ll admit I’d hate to have live on the difference between most modern semi auto loadings.
90% of the time, I carry 9mm. The other 10% of the time ,its a toss up between .357sig. and 10mm. The 10mm for self defense is hot. Like Buffalo Bore or Underwood 180gr. HPs. This is for winter carry. If the 9mm recoil is the max recoil for you. Then stay away from 10mm and .357 sig. Cartridge. 10mm and .357 sig. Cartridge costs more. 9mm since it's so popular is less $. Thanks Mickey for the education...😊
Ok, love the stories of glory w the 9mm and failed stories of everything else. As a former LEO with years experience in patrol, SWAT, and Investigations, there are cases where all calibers pass and fail in gunfights. Anyway, people flocked to the 9mm when the FBI, who none one apparently trusts otherwise, said the 9mm is just as good/better with modern technology… like modern technology stopped with the 9mm, smh. We are seeing cases where threats are absorbing upwards of 31 9mm rounds to stop them! That is insanity! Threats don’t normally come in ones. This case, there were three! Do the math! How many rds does the avg person carry? Armed citizens, if on-scene, are the first responders! Home invasions are seeing around six people! LE agencies are looking for good enough and COST. The .40 does very well, and the OISs I personally saw, threats took 3 or less rds on person to stop! Personally, I EDC a XTEN or XTEN Comp. The 9mm will “kill.” Heck, a pencil will kill, but the .40, .45, and 10 mm are top choices along with .357 Sig/Magnum etc. A big problem is people regurgitating BS about the 9mm, and former SOF guys using their previous life to make a buck by regurgitating basic 💩 and making it look cool. Also, there’s only one gel that will give good indication of what a bullet will do on the streets, and the closest UA-camr to do it is tnoutdoor9. All the clear gel nonsense is just that. Shooting pigs/hogs is, IMHO, the best media to test cartridge effectiveness. UA-camrs who do constant Bill Drills and mag dumps like they are fighting the zombie apocalypse are silly. Look how flat shooting this is - pow, pow, pow… I had a dude shot in the eye with a 9mm at point blank range. Sure did kill him, but the bullet didn’t exit the skull. He fell on the shell casing.
9mm is cheap and everyone has ammo. I'm LEO and if I run out of juice I know the guy next to me has some. Whether or not it's a conspiracy, I'm okay with my 9mm. I had a .45 S&W and I couldn't afford the ammo back then. BTW if you suck at shooting, no bigger ammo in the world will help you.
This video is for entertainment purposes ONLY!! Ugh, to many wrong things to correct. Just because Mickey uses a lot of big words doesn’t mean he’s accurate. As always do your own research. 🙄🤷♂️
@@CarryTrainer i couldn't comment somehow and i noticed that issue sometimes on the UA-cam platform. If something is so called sensible UA-cam may have an detection and removed it idk just my guess.
@@fruitfarmfords8243 youtube is a weird platform and how it seems they wanna go full dictator mode. Maybe things change in the future for good or its gets worse. Have a great day fruitfarmfords ❤💪 🦅
@@fruitfarmfords8243 Caliber can also refer to the diameter of the bullet, which is the distance between the grooves. However, caliber is usually the diameter of the bore, not the bullet.
Enjoyed hearing some history on this.
As a retired gunsmith and peace officer I will give my thoughts. Then the keyboard warriors can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
In Vietnam, I carried a 1911A1 in 45 Auto. It was effective in engaging the enemy. I came home after three years of combat.
Later, serving as a peace officer, I was engaged in three shootings using a big S&W mod 28 357mag. Managed to walk away from them all. Ok, those are my experiences in combat.
As a gunsmith specializing in combat handguns, the .357mag, 38spl +P, and 45 Auto all performed well in armed conflicts with criminals. But one thing I've noticed in people, not weapons. Fads, marketing, and increasing sales. MONEY!
I can go hunt anything in N. America with a .30'06 Springfield and be successful. But there's dozens of gunmakers that'll offer well over 50 others calibers saying they're better. Why? Easy. MONEY!
I'll be blunt. The 9mm is the "it" caliber because they (gun makers and ammo companies) say so. The entire industry has promoted it simply to generate the most profits from the easily persuaded public. People are easily manipulated by image and hype. One has a Camero, the other's in a Corvette. Who's cooler? You be the judge. Not me.
Fads come and go. 1930s to 1950s the 38spl was king. 1960s to 1980s it was the 357mag. 1980s to 2000 the 1911 was hotrod stuff. Today, it's the 9mm in plastic striker fire weapons. Fads and marketing. It's simple as that.
As for me, an old cop and gunsmith? I'm past 70. I'm old and cantankerous to boot. I shoot hogs, coyotes, and other varmints in my woods with an 1873 design 45 Colt in a Single Action Army revolver. Why? I don't follow fads. I believe in what works for me.😏
Thanks for the history lesson, boss!
Thanks for the video. Super Vel is an awesome company and never had any issues with their 9mm practice loads! Be well sir.
Extremely good video with great information!
357 SIG BABY YEAH !!!!!!!
I appreciate the presentation, although you made a couple of errors regarding the Miami 1986 shootout. No agents were firing .357 magnum, their revolvers were loaded with 38+p. Agent Dove fired a 9mm Silvertip 115 gr into Platt. A 45 acp hardball or a .357 magnum would more than likely have penetrated through Platt's heart and caused enough damage to prevent him from executing the other agents. In my opinion, that is the lesson. I defer to Dr. Martin Fackler's conclusions that the most important aspect of bullet performance is penetration, second the size of the wound, and third don't depend on an expanding bullet. Modern bullet technology might usurp the third aspect but not the first two. I agree with your conclusion though, and as a firearm instructor I recommend 9mm as a compromise for many people. I choose to carry 45acp, although there is a time and place for a small 9mm with the right ammo - HST or Critical Duty.
Thanks man. Happy holidays
Over 120 years later and they still can’t come up with a better round👊
44 magnum "holy hog leg" 😂
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The momentum of history and economics. It will be around for a long time, like teaspoons.
It just works
Yes sir ❤from Pennsylvania
"I love you man"
While I am a huge fan of the 40 S&W, I did recently a few months ago decide to switch to my 9mm to be my main EDC at least for my work carry and when I go to larger stores just because it is so much more affordable to train with it frequently, and my 40 S&W was retired as a carry gun and now serves as my home defense gun. I still bring it with me just to get a little bit of Trigger Time with it here and there but yeah, it just made all the sense in the world to me to go with the 9mm as my main EDC.
Imo .40 is objectively a better cartridge, but the affordability of 9mm is the deciding factor for me too. Plus these new micro 9s that are the size of single stack .380s but are double stack 9s
Who doesn't love 9mm?
Minor point but the FBI/Dade shoot out involved the Ruger Mini-14, not AK-47.
Another point, this is from the Wiki on the subject;
There is a persistent myth that the 10mm's sharp recoil proved too much for most agents to control effectively, and a special reduced velocity loading was developed; commonly referred to as the "10 mm Lite" or "10 mm FBI". However the FBI developed its reduced velocity 10mm cartridge before the 1076 pistol was developed to fire it. No agents were ever issued full power 10mm ammo because the reduced velocity ammo was developed before the FBI selected the 10mm cartridge.
I was intending to mention the north Hollywood shootout in 1997. Negated to state it by name, thats where the ak was used. Thanks for the add.
@@CarryTrainerI seen a documentary about the North Hollywood bank robbery / shootout, that was absolutely insane and is a good example of why it is absurd to go woke on the police by taking their rifles away. It's absolutely ridiculous that it took almost an hour to end that shootout when there was only two active shooters. I'm pretty sure if those officers were allowed to have Patrol rifles, that would have ended very quickly.
If you run the numbers concerning ballistics, recoil impulse, firearm size and reliability, the 357 sig is the best commercially produced semi automatic pistol round…. Period. Tho I’ll admit I’d hate to have live on the difference between most modern semi auto loadings.
90% of the time, I carry 9mm. The other 10% of the time ,its a toss up between .357sig. and 10mm. The 10mm for self defense is hot. Like Buffalo Bore or Underwood 180gr. HPs. This is for winter carry. If the 9mm recoil is the max recoil for you. Then stay away from 10mm and .357 sig. Cartridge. 10mm and .357 sig. Cartridge costs more. 9mm since it's so popular is less $. Thanks Mickey for the education...😊
If you reload the .357 Sig cost just as much as 9mm to reload. About $180 per 1000 rounds.
Ok, love the stories of glory w the 9mm and failed stories of everything else. As a former LEO with years experience in patrol, SWAT, and Investigations, there are cases where all calibers pass and fail in gunfights. Anyway, people flocked to the 9mm when the FBI, who none one apparently trusts otherwise, said the 9mm is just as good/better with modern technology… like modern technology stopped with the 9mm, smh. We are seeing cases where threats are absorbing upwards of 31 9mm rounds to stop them! That is insanity! Threats don’t normally come in ones. This case, there were three! Do the math! How many rds does the avg person carry? Armed citizens, if on-scene, are the first responders! Home invasions are seeing around six people! LE agencies are looking for good enough and COST.
The .40 does very well, and the OISs I personally saw, threats took 3 or less rds on person to stop!
Personally, I EDC a XTEN or XTEN Comp. The 9mm will “kill.” Heck, a pencil will kill, but the .40, .45, and 10 mm are top choices along with .357 Sig/Magnum etc.
A big problem is people regurgitating BS about the 9mm, and former SOF guys using their previous life to make a buck by regurgitating basic 💩 and making it look cool. Also, there’s only one gel that will give good indication of what a bullet will do on the streets, and the closest UA-camr to do it is tnoutdoor9. All the clear gel nonsense is just that. Shooting pigs/hogs is, IMHO, the best media to test cartridge effectiveness.
UA-camrs who do constant Bill Drills and mag dumps like they are fighting the zombie apocalypse are silly. Look how flat shooting this is - pow, pow, pow… I had a dude shot in the eye with a 9mm at point blank range. Sure did kill him, but the bullet didn’t exit the skull. He fell on the shell casing.
This exact line of reasoning is why I carry 5.7; 23 rounds instead of 17..shoots flatter..further..with less recoil as well.
An awfully bulky package though
I don't reload, but I didn't even know 9x19 had a tapered case.
It's ever so slight. That taper aids feeding and extraction. A very novel idea at the time.
9mm is cheap and everyone has ammo. I'm LEO and if I run out of juice I know the guy next to me has some. Whether or not it's a conspiracy, I'm okay with my 9mm. I had a .45 S&W and I couldn't afford the ammo back then. BTW if you suck at shooting, no bigger ammo in the world will help you.
This video is for entertainment purposes ONLY!! Ugh, to many wrong things to correct. Just because Mickey uses a lot of big words doesn’t mean he’s accurate. As always do your own research. 🙄🤷♂️
People have been lied to telling them that 9mm is perfect for self defense, but it's truly a crap cartridge for defensive purposes.
Cant comment?
My other comments about sleepy joe the 9mm joke being removed probably from UA-camCensorCrap
Idk.
@froglord1559UA-cam hates fun..
@@CarryTrainer i couldn't comment somehow and i noticed that issue sometimes on the UA-cam platform. If something is so called sensible UA-cam may have an detection and removed it idk just my guess.
@@fruitfarmfords8243 youtube is a weird platform and how it seems they wanna go full dictator mode. Maybe things change in the future for good or its gets worse. Have a great day fruitfarmfords ❤💪 🦅
Not a real caliber...
Not a real comment.
Hahahahaha
Ok
Correct, caliber is SAE, mm is metric. And 10mm is the best mm.
@@fruitfarmfords8243 Caliber can also refer to the diameter of the bullet, which is the distance between the grooves. However, caliber is usually the diameter of the bore, not the bullet.