About effing time! 71 yr old here, tired of lugging my 45 lb Alpha around, and taking it off my jeep at the river, ugh don’t get me started. Came up in the 70’s, a time when the only whitewater kayaks that existed were fiberglass. Been looking at carbon slalom boats lately, but haven’t loved ´em enough to pull the trigger. Price tag for for Ringer might be high, but like EJ says in his write-up, « mountain bikes are like $10,000 these days ». Besides what do I care, I’m retired. Not gonna live forever, and this seems like the answer I’ve been waiting for. Thanks for putting this out there. Cheers from Santa Fe.😢
That’s awesome you’re still out shredding in your 70s I hope I’m still going when that age and glad helped you out I think this is exactly what you might be needing. I agree high end mountain bikes and road bikes are crazy expensive
Looks fantastic, cant help but think that shape and ride is exactly what everyone was trying to achieve with cut down slalom boats before plastic boats became popular.
EJ should flow you one for the winter. Durability test. See how it would actually hold up on Cheoah and tellico laps. I bet it would be fine. We both know guys who run ocoee in ten year old squirt boats. A solid lay up boat can take some big hits. Price wise, it costs what two kayaks cost. Most boaters who would be interested in something like that probably have at least 5 kayaks in the garage. So sell 3 and get a custom boat.
If you think about it most folks are pretty abusive towards their boats and then get pissed off when they finally break. I’m talking “need” to boof vs “want” to boof every rock they see. Ditto rock spins, shore slide put ins, etc. I started boating in early 80’s with a Phoenix Ocoee so started out with mindset rocks are to be missed, not played with. I’m thinking if you didn’t abuse the boat, and boofed only when needed it would actually hold up pretty well to a lot of creeking type runs including the Cheoah. You can get down the Cheoah pretty easily with minimal rock contact and have a fun in the process. Thinking the same thing re: Ocoee and maybe Tellico at 500 and above. Russell Fork definitely at 800 plus. Upper Yough at higher flows but not sure about Summer 2.0-2.1 flows?
Wade - your review was very valuable for someone considering a purchase. It looked like you wanted to splat up against the walls so bad but you resisted.
I’m glad to finally see an unbiased party review of this boat. If EJ wants to sell a lot of these, he should be getting it out to more reviewers and set up demo days at the water parks like you are doing there. We all know he’s great, but we’re also not going to take his word on a boat that costs over 3K! I take that back, he’s sold a few based on his word alone which is a real head scratcher for me. I love your reviews - keep up the good work. 1. How would this boat rate in the half slice shootout you did last year? Can you give us numbers in each category like you did the other boats? 2. Is the seat glued in? Seems to me the way to set this up when you first get it / or for EJ any demo boat would be to glue big Velcro tracks to the bottom of the boat and the bottom / side braces of the seat so folks can easily adjust / experiment with seat position. Can’t imagine what a PITA it would be to try to dial in that seat if it’s glued in. Hope to see ya at the Ocoee race this weekend!
Tough to compare because its carbon and very different. I hope he does this in Plastic actually and not the seat was not glued in. I am pretty sure you have the option for them to find you perfect spot and outfit it for you. Still my top half Slice so far Is this one coloradokayak.com/products/pyranha-ripper-2-kayak?ref=wade
Glad you got your butt into one of these Apex boats. I’ve been seeing it on EJ’s recent instructional series, very curious to see your take on this Ringer model. It appears as though the seat position is a little back for your size and weight.
Gloves are super slippery on the paddle in my experience. Go with a pogie... or the kokatat mittens are amazing! They run small in sizing, but the paddle feel is as close to bare hand as it gets.
Looks as good as it's going to get for a boat that isn't remotely trimmed right. The footage I have seen of EJ in his it looks like it's got the glide. Our local course is an altered state site in the tailrace of a small power station (we built it over the last 20 years rock by rock, feature by feature) and as Im in the market for a boat that is going to be spending a fair bit of time there this looks interesting, but a Firecracker is a more sensible choice here. If I had a cement local, then Id probably be a starter.
@@WadeHarrison Have you got an on water review for the 252 by chance? It's a big boat on me, but I reckon it will be a good option for steep rocky little streams - more of a pivot creeker than an little halfslice.
Nice. I bet that thing is fun. I’m nervous to take my beat up Rewind on concrete, can’t imagine a $3k carbon boat hitting those super whirlpooling eddies and scraping the tail. I saw you say in your other video that the concrete there is smoother or more polished (I assume compared to Charlotte which has a lot of texture). Does that help with the boat damage? Money no object, I’d buy one for sure. 23 lbs sounds awesome
Yeah the same paddlers that paddle those carbon slalom boats out there everyday they seem to be just fine. I think you would be fine with this layup it feels really well done outside like big hits.
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About effing time! 71 yr old here, tired of lugging my 45 lb Alpha around, and taking it off my jeep at the river, ugh don’t get me started. Came up in the 70’s, a time when the only whitewater kayaks that existed were fiberglass. Been looking at carbon slalom boats lately, but haven’t loved ´em enough to pull the trigger. Price tag for for Ringer might be high, but like EJ says in his write-up, « mountain bikes are like $10,000 these days ». Besides what do I care, I’m retired. Not gonna live forever, and this seems like the answer I’ve been waiting for. Thanks for putting this out there. Cheers from Santa Fe.😢
That’s awesome you’re still out shredding in your 70s I hope I’m still going when that age and glad helped you out I think this is exactly what you might be needing. I agree high end mountain bikes and road bikes are crazy expensive
well, to be honest, more like geezer shredding. but we love it. cheers.
i think you can get a CF and fiberglass prijon in germany, either the pike or the new creek halfslice
Looks fantastic, cant help but think that shape and ride is exactly what everyone was trying to achieve with cut down slalom boats before plastic boats became popular.
I can see that
EJ should flow you one for the winter. Durability test. See how it would actually hold up on Cheoah and tellico laps. I bet it would be fine. We both know guys who run ocoee in ten year old squirt boats. A solid lay up boat can take some big hits. Price wise, it costs what two kayaks cost. Most boaters who would be interested in something like that probably have at least 5 kayaks in the garage. So sell 3 and get a custom boat.
I would love to have one of something like Russel fork gauley yeah Cheoah especially if it’s a demo 😂
If you think about it most folks are pretty abusive towards their boats and then get pissed off when they finally break. I’m talking “need” to boof vs “want” to boof every rock they see. Ditto rock spins, shore slide put ins, etc. I started boating in early 80’s with a Phoenix Ocoee so started out with mindset rocks are to be missed, not played with. I’m thinking if you didn’t abuse the boat, and boofed only when needed it would actually hold up pretty well to a lot of creeking type runs including the Cheoah. You can get down the Cheoah pretty easily with minimal rock contact and have a fun in the process. Thinking the same thing re: Ocoee and maybe Tellico at 500 and above. Russell Fork definitely at 800 plus. Upper Yough at higher flows but not sure about Summer 2.0-2.1 flows?
Wade - your review was very valuable for someone considering a purchase. It looked like you wanted to splat up against the walls so bad but you resisted.
Yeah i would say you need to adjust your paddling style slightly in a boat like this. Not that smash everything splat and boofs
Thanks so much for the review Wade!
Yeah fun boat!
I’m glad to finally see an unbiased party review of this boat. If EJ wants to sell a lot of these, he should be getting it out to more reviewers and set up demo days at the water parks like you are doing there. We all know he’s great, but we’re also not going to take his word on a boat that costs over 3K! I take that back, he’s sold a few based on his word alone which is a real head scratcher for me. I love your reviews - keep up the good work.
1. How would this boat rate in the half slice shootout you did last year? Can you give us numbers in each category like you did the other boats?
2. Is the seat glued in? Seems to me the way to set this up when you first get it / or for EJ any demo boat would be to glue big Velcro tracks to the bottom of the boat and the bottom / side braces of the seat so folks can easily adjust / experiment with seat position. Can’t imagine what a PITA it would be to try to dial in that seat if it’s glued in.
Hope to see ya at the Ocoee race this weekend!
Tough to compare because its carbon and very different. I hope he does this in Plastic actually and not the seat was not glued in.
I am pretty sure you have the option for them to find you perfect spot and outfit it for you.
Still my top half Slice so far Is this one coloradokayak.com/products/pyranha-ripper-2-kayak?ref=wade
SO stoked for this review.
Yeah it was fun paddling this one
Glad you got your butt into one of these Apex boats. I’ve been seeing it on EJ’s recent instructional series, very curious to see your take on this Ringer model. It appears as though the seat position is a little back for your size and weight.
For sure a different type of feel paddling one of these
Outfitting looks interesting, I like the color scheme on these though, very unique and gives it a sporty racing type vibe
Yeah I think these look great.
I need one of these!! Hope they (eventually) ship to 🏴
Where are you located?
Not too far from London, England.
I'm a Jackson fanboy and have great respect for EJ but a carbon river runner😯 How does it compare with a straight forward slalom boat?
Very different
I love paddling composite
☝🏻 I agree
hey wade im going into my first winter season and i was wondering what gloves you would recommend to keep my hands warm
Never gloves for me but will wear these time to time if super cold and windy amzn.to/3ZTK3Ps
Gloves are super slippery on the paddle in my experience. Go with a pogie... or the kokatat mittens are amazing! They run small in sizing, but the paddle feel is as close to bare hand as it gets.
Dream boat
Definitely was a blast to paddle!
Beautiful...can tell by watching this it's a boat I need.
It’s very well done and paddles nicely don’t know how would hold up in the long haul but seems like they are doing well
Looks as good as it's going to get for a boat that isn't remotely trimmed right. The footage I have seen of EJ in his it looks like it's got the glide. Our local course is an altered state site in the tailrace of a small power station (we built it over the last 20 years rock by rock, feature by feature) and as Im in the market for a boat that is going to be spending a fair bit of time there this looks interesting, but a Firecracker is a more sensible choice here. If I had a cement local, then Id probably be a starter.
I love me some firecracker that's for sure!
@@WadeHarrison Have you got an on water review for the 252 by chance? It's a big boat on me, but I reckon it will be a good option for steep rocky little streams - more of a pivot creeker than an little halfslice.
I met EJ this summer. He let me heft the boat…super light boat!
For sure very light
@@WadeHarrison felt like I was lifting a Fun 1.
The Center looks really nice, alot better looking than WTCC
Yeah I did like a review of the park itself with some on water information with the management should have that up soon
Could you try to get your hands on an exo Zion slalom and make some vids about it I would love to see that love your videos
For sure want to give one those a go
I want this boat in plastic. The hull looks incredible and the stern very playful.
Agreed I like to see this on plastic as well but have not seen anything on it going to plastic
Nice. I bet that thing is fun. I’m nervous to take my beat up Rewind on concrete, can’t imagine a $3k carbon boat hitting those super whirlpooling eddies and scraping the tail. I saw you say in your other video that the concrete there is smoother or more polished (I assume compared to Charlotte which has a lot of texture). Does that help with the boat damage? Money no object, I’d buy one for sure. 23 lbs sounds awesome
Yeah the same paddlers that paddle those carbon slalom boats out there everyday they seem to be just fine.
I think you would be fine with this layup it feels really well done outside like big hits.
@@WadeHarrison well all their practice boats are messed up and patched all over lol
@@UrsaMusic exactly
Great for rivers that don't have rocks!
Yeah I feel if you were always on a flowing type river or know how to hit the smooth lines this would be awesome to really change things up
I need to let you try the glass outburst. ;-)
I would be down!
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zero chance
@@WadeHarrison damn
@WadeHarrison I quit after kindergarten too 😂😂😂
Buy me one ;-)
Haha the cost of this boat with taxes probably close to 3400$ for sure out my budget but can see some out there with the bankroll that would love this
I wish!
As a free American, I fiercely defend any American's right to paddle this boat.
Oh yeah 😊
So it's safe to say you ain't creeking in this.
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