At aprroximatelt 9:15 I skipped the security six, an oversight on my part. But off camera I tried the Remington ammo and it fit perfectly. Also, I said 1/2,500 of a centimeter. I misspoke, it's about 1/375
Cool. You spoke of the .001”-.002” bullet diameter difference between 38 Special/357 Magnum and the old 38 S&W. I fire the same cast 125gn bullets sized to .3585 in my 38’s, my 357 and my 9mm. Not making an argument just the .002” bigger reminded me is all. Also in my limited experience a thousandth usually isn’t enough of a difference to make a difference though I start my load development at the lowest charge I can find data for and I don’t work up past the best groups, well once they start to open back up again I stop
I wonder now if .38 S&W can chamber and load perfectly fine into a .357 magnum lever-action rifle. I would imagine it can, but there is only one way to know for sure. Is this something worthy of a video?
@@kellywalker8407 Eat 'em cold. You know the Klingon proverb that revenge and Pop-Tarts (TM) are dishes that are best served cold? It is very cold....in ssspppaaaccceee! (From ST: The Wrath of Khan/Paul).
I would say we need a "Hold my Pop Tart!" patch but I bet the lawyers from Kellogg's would not appricate the free advertising. "Hold my toaster pastry!" just doesn't work.
8:24. I really love how Paul and crew record everything in real time just like if I was standing there watching in person and ever how it comes out is what they present as much as they possibly can. Example: When Paul started testing the second box of ammo and picked up the first revolver, which he originally said was his Model 36, he called it his Model 15. It was never corrected on screen and I'm OK with that. Paul is a real guy making real content in real time with real tools and equipment. Little errors and inconsistencies occur. That's life. But another great presentation by a seasoned Professional.
I usually catch mistakes like that. This time I didn't notice until I read your comment. This is an example of the speech impediment that I occasionally mention.
I'm constantly amazed by the number of people that suffer from selective hearing syndrome. Paul and crew are extremely thorough and professional in their presentations. Very rarely is the absolutist statement made. Thank you Paul and crew for the wonderful information you provided today. Be well and straight shooting.
Poor Caleb still lives on ,even if only when Paul decides to troll him... I got a good laugh out of Paul NOT stabbing a hole through his hand after SHARPLY whacking that ejector rod!
Is that guy still around? Oddly and fortunately the Tube algorithm does not recommend that channel to me. Gotta laugh when a guy thinks you can bend an ejector rod with your hand. He must use some super cheap revolvers, maybe those RG saturday night specials from West Germany....?
@@moreparrotsmoredereks2275 I’d actually forgotten that other guy’s name but did get the reference right off. Man that was one long rebuttal from Paul but an outstanding video for certain.
Nice reference to not poking a hole into your palm when you slap the ejector rod...the rebuttal to Gun Nuts from a few years back is still one of my favorite videos...
@@splyntered The Paul video is a 1hr+ installment called "Rebuttal" and in it he references and features some of Caleb's stupid statements and refutes them all. Paul reminds us that words still have meaning LOL
While I'll say Paul Harrell is rarely wrong, rarely boring in his videos, and rarely unentertaining, I could never say he is always funny because it depends on your sense of humor, the size of your pistol's chamber, and the size of your ammo. But Paul always is the man and never ceases to educate.
Love this guy, because even if I don't completely agree with something he says, I know that we both know that there are so many variables that we could both be wrong
@@Charles-A Some of his statements over the years on firearms choices, opinions. Nothing serious. Dude is clearly VERY knowledgeable. Frankly, if we were able to sit down and talk about it, I think we could easily get some common ground, even where we disagree.
@@markh.6687 Perhaps, but as a general rule I don't go around with the idea that I am anything but an idiot, that way I don't make myself look stupid when I AM an idiot.
@@johndoe-so2ef I'd attempt to argue with that, but there are days that I should have a shirt on reading "I'm stupid-don't talk to me" to avoid entrapping anyone in my Day of Stupidity (TM).
I've read that the S&W uses a .361" bullet. I've got an Enfield from 1943 (WW2 surplus) and a S&W lemon squeezer from 1902 and both of them slug to a barrel diameter of about .361". Many modern manufacturers do exactly what modern reloaders do and just use incorrect .357 or .358" bullets, in which case they will fit into a 38/357 gun. They work in the old guns but won't be very accurate, but most people won't notice.
@@66smithraI own one too ! Inherited from my Grandfather. He Inherited it from his great uncle as he was a sheriff & it was his "dress clothes" revolver.
I laughed more than I should have at this video. Between the “hold my pop tart” and “not poking a hole in your hand”. You have such a great delivery with your humor, it always catches me off guard. Keep up the good work Paul. You and your crew do excellent work.
Two old adages to keep in mind: "Just because something shouldn't fit, doesn't mean it won't," and "Just because you think something will fit, doesn't mean it will."
I have 2 Ruger SP101s. One has had the cylinder chamfered for fast reloads. It will load and fire 357 mag, 38spl, 38 colt, 38lc, 38 s&w, and 38 long S&W. The other will not chamber the 38 S&W cartridges. Like you said, it depends.
That may be a cylinder throat issue. My experience with Rugers is that they have widely varying cylinder throat diameters, often among chambers in the same cylinder.
@@jasonshults368 not a throat issue, one I took to a gunsmith and had it chamfered for fast reloads. The other I bought a few years later and never had it chamfered. Somehow I'm the guy that friends come to if they want to try out a gun or learn to shoot. Anyway I found that handing someone a heavy stainless steel revolver with mild recoil ammo boost their confidence in mastering the defense tool that they had a little fear of. That said, I would hand a 70 year old friend of my mother my SP101 or GP100 that was loaded with 38 Colts. When she was confident with it, I'd load .38 Long Colts, then progress to .38 Spl. At that point, to a lighter revolver. But that's not what I want to get into right now. I buy or reload .38 Colts and .38LCs for that reason. One day I was in Academy ( a sporting goods store here is Texas) looked up and saw they had .38 Colts on the shelf. Well, factory load Remington green and yellow box all look the same. What I grabbed was .38 S&W, didn't notice till I got home. Was a little upset because I couldn't return them. However, out of curiosity I checked to see if any would chamber them. To my surprise the chambered SP101 and a couple others did. .38 Colt is the parent case to .38spl so all 357 or 38 spl revolvers should be fine with modern factory loaded 38 colt or long colts. .38 S&W is a tapered wall cartridge, it's base is slightly larger than that of the 38 Colt, 38 Spl., 357 Rem Mag. So some guns have loose enough tolerance to chamber the. 38 S&W and some may need to be chamfered.
@@2326TX I was slightly worried of the slightly larger projectile of the .38sw combined with the weaker charge behind it causing the bullet to get stuck in the barrel, but since Paul just blasted a bunch of those out of a 357 and never mentioned this being a possibility, i guess it's fine?
I had some .38 s&w that fit in a Model 10 Smith......Buffalo Bore makes a hi velocity round that is not safe for Top Break type revolvers. Even in regular form...it is a very good round for older/ recoil shy shooters. Even though slow moving....with the 145 grain bullet...it has the knockdown power similar to a .380. It would be interesting to see you test the two. But swing out cylinder revolvers like Colt Police Positive and S&W Terriers/ Regulation Police are getting expensive, and harder to find.
Back in the 1970s I purchased S&W model 10 on the cheap that had been reamed to accept .357…I had enough good sense to only shoot .38 Special or really down loaded to .38 Special data using .357 brass…I eventually sold it to a family member with the strict caveat to NOT SHOOT .357 mag ammo (he ignored my advice and never had issues with his foolish choice 🙄)…I lost contact with him years ago…never heard about him suffering Ill results from the Model 10.
If a bridge is rated for a 4000 pound load and you roll a 3-ton truck over it, the bridge is not going to collapse on that truck. The kicker is, the next ten cars that cross it afterwards might get across, but the eleventh car may end up in the river. Overloading may not result in instant and spectacular failure, but may impart enough damage that even repeated normal use afterwards will accumulate damage to the point of failure.
due to reloading at home, I learned to use Machinist Pin Gauges to measure the chambers on my .38's and .357's, as well as the Forcing Cone. The .38's I had, generally measured .358 at their tightest point. My .357's though, ran the gamut of .356 to .358, sometimes in the same cylinder. Btw, my set of Pin Gauges were .3550 to .3590 in .0005 increments.
Call me crazy but being a big fan and avid watcher, it appears Paul has a new camera the picture quality is very vivid and HD. Thank you for all the useful info and entertainment over the years.
Hey your presentations are awesome it would be really great if you did a presentation on 32 revolvers some of the modern 32 Ammunition and pistols I think would be awesome for self-defense but the meat Target would show better but from 32 short to the 32 Magnums made today it would be a very educational video I watch 99% of your stuff and I've never seen anything on 32
@@jagx234 if your intent is saving money, they aren't that much cheaper like the difference between.38 and .357. If you want versatility for an adverse scenario, while you're technically correct, none of those are easy to come by, at least in no way .38/357 is. But if you're recoil sensitive, and want to train with something that won't disturb you, now that's a great choice. Training with less powerful loads is a great way to get used to a gun, even if you intend to load it with something much more powerful in a real scenario.
@Neomalthusiano is specifically for the gamut of recoil level options that o was wondering about it. I don't subscribe to the scavenging at the end of times scenario. Just using one common round makes more sense to me there. 327 adding another round to a revolver, and being able to have say 32 h&r mag for myself but 32 long for my wife or daughter was intriguing
@@jagx234 I used to shoot "brute calibers" at ease. But, after I got a work injury, even a regular .357 mag load is too much for me. Where I live, I have no access to .327 mag, so have no experience to share. However, my father owns a .32 S&W L revolver, and I would have no problem spending an afternoon shooting it, if ammo was easier to come by. In case of a .327 mag revolver (with 32 S&W L ammo), which, due being more robust, in theory, may be slightly heavier, and thus, have even less recoil than a .32 S&W L only gun, it would have everything to be a pleasant experience for other family members to get into shooting, while still presenting a large room of flexibility for you to shoot more powerful loads. If you have no difficulty getting both the gun and ammo where you live, I say you should do it. My creed is that every family member should have some experience with a gun. They don't need to go to a range often or make it a hobby. Yet, knowing how to handle a gun safely and shoot it with a reasonable degree of competency may make the difference in a life or death situation. And that's a good choice of a gun for both experienced and novices. Just, if you can, try the revolver before buying to check if it matches your expectations. Due the lack of models available, maybe it doesn't and another (unfortunately more complex) solution could be getting into handloading, buy a .357 revolver, if don't own one already, and start handloading tailored to your needs. Tame 115 gr loads for the ladies and more powerful loads to yourself.
According to the internet, in 1899 S&W introduced the model 1899(technically still being manufactured today, known as the model 10) with the caliber 38 special, a black powder cartridge.
There's some debate as to whether the 1899 version of the revolver was a .38 S/W and the special came later, or the 1899 was the special. I've heard it both ways. But yes, originally the .38 special was black powder.
Plus, in TEOTWAWKI, you can't rely on finding the exact ammo that is guaranteed to fit in the weapon you have/found. Best to come up with a different plan you can rely on.
Thanks, Paul. Wonderful video! I have 2 old 38S&W revolvers. I love to shoot them, accurate with very light recoil. Not too many companies make this ammo now. Would you do a video on who does it best? Best performance for self defense? Sorry if this sounds silly. Like racing Model T’s. But fun! Thanks again! Ken
I like PPU 145gr. LRN and of course the Remington 146gr. LRN and I have bought some Fiocchi 145gr LRN and FMJ ammo as well and all 3 seem to be pretty comparable in comparrison and all 3 are smoking accurate out of my 4 standard barrel !!! My revolver is a 1952 post war Smith & Wesson Regulation Police in .38s&w ctg./caliber !!! This ammo is quite abit on the expensive side but I get 1 or 2 boxes at least 3 times a year and stock up on it just like any other caliber but within reason due to cost !!!
@@PaulHarrell That PPU is smoking accurate at least out to 15 yards it's like I can't miss my target unless I do so on purpose but who wants to miss hitting their target I sure don't but I am shocked as to how accurate my 52 post war Regulation Police revolver really is !! I just got to go and take time in an indoor range at 7 yards and see it I can put 5 shots in one hole in the bullseye !!! I believe I can and I might just video it for the added pressure !!! Hahhhaa !!!
I've been hand loading for.38 SW for years. If you can find 38sw bullets there are .361 or .362. Once the brass has been fired it will no longer fit in any of my .357 bore guns even after resizing. I use hollow base wadcutters. The expand nicely to the bore and are very accurate. You have to load them with a 3rd of the bullet proud due to the short case length. You can flip the wadcutters around to make a sort of ad hoc hollow point and they shoot ok and will flatten out pretty well but with the velocity inherent to the caliber, penetration would be problematic. I started reloading for it when I got an ex-hong kong police webley mk4. I noticed a few years ago that hornady xtp hollow points for 9mm makarov can be seated without drama and chamber normally( at least in my gun, try at your own risk.) They group fine but not to point of aim. Also 9mak cartridges will drop right in to the cylinder but lacking a rim, they will sink to just below flush and the extractor star cannot grip them. Never tried to actually fire them however. If I ever stumble across a lend lease model 10 in 38SW I'd be tempted to have it cut for moon clips and shoot 9mak through it.
I was pondering this point as well. For the rifling in the barrel to work well, the bullet diameter has to just barely have some friction with the grooves. Far too much friction would lead to Really Bad Things(tm) happening. "Barely too much?" Maybe not Really Bad Things (tm), but certainly could be poor performance. In hypothesis, at least. I think I'll stick with using ammunition in the designated caliber for any gun I'm going to use. I don't feel need to test that hypothesis.
According to one of my FFL dealer he said that when come to certain calibers companies only make small amount, stop, wait till they sell out their stockpile and produce small amount again. Repeat.
It's an easy caliber to reload for. Ive been able to use 9mm makarov hornady XTPs in my webley (I reload for 9mak too). The seat fine in the case and chamber without issue in my webly
during the ammo shortage, I accidentally bought the 38 S&W wheel gun because it was the only box on the shelf, when I got home and sized it up with my Colt King Cobra 357, I found that some rounds chambered easily while others needed "gentle persuasion", I asked my range master before shooting the stuff and he said, "it won't blow up your gun but it will be very dirty and be sure to clean the chambers well as there can be scoring in the cylinders that could obstruct seating of the proper ammo", he was correct with everything he said
Hey Paul in a previous video you said you could hunt with a 556. Could you do a meat target test using a 556 and ammo that you would use in that type of scenario and compare it to a more traditional hunting cartridge. If youve already made a video like this I apologize I couldnt find it
We have a presentation on shooting the AR pistol at 200 yards. This includes a demo of different hunting ammunitions vs. the meat target fired from 10.5 and 20 inch barrels.
Paul does another encore at the end of the video. Bonus ! It is custom that the star of the play, come back for another act after the standing ovation. Love it.
Without going into the pedantic details, 38S&W is really a different caliber in more ways than just length. That said, I do use the 38S&W reloading data as a guide for loading 38 Short Colt. It's the data I have. I also have 38 Long Colt brass. It's pre-covid brass made by Starline. The reason I have it is to reduce the case volume for light loads. This raises chamber pressure but also increases powder burn efficiency and consistency. I have also used 9mm Luger reload data. In all cases, I'm shooting with a 357 Magnum revolver. I've also found that when shooting lead bullets (I like the Hi-Tek coated ones), 0.358" bullets form a better seal in the barrel for less leading or blow by gasses. Again, that probably leads to higher pressures. I'm typically running somewhere between 3.5-4.5gr of Unique, so I don't think I'm going to blow up a gun. It really speaks to the versatility of the revolver that this can be done with appropriate prudence.
Something I'd be interested to see tested and covered in this format would be .40 S&W in 10mm auto handguns. I've heard of it, seen it done on other youtube channels (though not tried myself), and FK BRNO even advertised their 10mm barrel on the PSD as being able to use both cartridges.
My guess is that diameter-wise there will be almost universal interchangeability with 40S&W in 10mm auto loaders because of modern manufacturing and precision standards as well as the fact that 40 was developed directly and deliberately as an under loaded version of 10mm while 38 special and 38 S&W had no direct design or manufacturing links between them. (GD that was a heck of a run on sentence) The problems I expect to arise will be related to: 1) 40 may not stack properly in 10mm mags because of the length difference leading to feeding issues in some guns 2) I’d expect some guns to have extraction issues as some 40 rounds may not be powerful enough to consistently and fully cycle the slide of some guns But that’s all semi-educated guesswork and I 100% agree that Paul should do a long drawn out video comparison, with lots of … pauses, to actually put this idea to the test. Who knows, maybe I’ll be totally wrong and we’ll find out that we can all consistently use 40 as cheap training ammo in our 10mm guns!
Great video Paul. Always love watching your presentations. There is reason why they say. Only use the ammo that your firearm is chambered for. I agree with you 100%
38 Special was introduced in the Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector in 1898 and that revolver, aka S&W M&P, S&W Model 10, has been in continuous production since then. The 38 Short Colt and 38 Long Colt case are the ancestors of the 38 Special as the Special is the direct ancestor of the 357 Magnum. Having tried putting Remington 38 S&W into various 38 Special revolvers, I'm stunned that what you found fits. I speculate that it might be just that lot or that the new factory is using different specs to dimensions. Very interesting video, appreciated.
At aprroximatelt 9:15 I skipped the security six, an oversight on my part. But off camera I tried the Remington ammo and it fit perfectly.
Also, I said 1/2,500 of a centimeter. I misspoke, it's about 1/375
Cool. You spoke of the .001”-.002” bullet diameter difference between 38 Special/357 Magnum and the old 38 S&W. I fire the same cast 125gn bullets sized to .3585 in my 38’s, my 357 and my 9mm. Not making an argument just the .002” bigger reminded me is all. Also in my limited experience a thousandth usually isn’t enough of a difference to make a difference though I start my load development at the lowest charge I can find data for and I don’t work up past the best groups, well once they start to open back up again I stop
I wonder now if .38 S&W can chamber and load perfectly fine into a .357 magnum lever-action rifle. I would imagine it can, but there is only one way to know for sure.
Is this something worthy of a video?
What make the pressure so high as oppose to 38+p mean added extra powder so what makes the 357 more powerful. Let me know please.
What about the Medusa revolver?
2 videos in one day is definitely a prize
is a treat!!
He’s trying to kill us!!! It’s complete overload!!! What else could he fit in his pockets!!!
It's simple if it's not marked for you're gun then don't use the other ammo why chance it
@@valdanilow4466 your*
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
*"HOLD MY POP TART!"*
I needed a good chuckle today. Thanks Paul. I'll be using that in the future.
The problem with pop tarts is the first bite usually burns your mouth....lol
@@kellywalker8407 Eat 'em cold. You know the Klingon proverb that revenge and Pop-Tarts (TM) are dishes that are best served cold? It is very cold....in ssspppaaaccceee! (From ST: The Wrath of Khan/Paul).
@@markh.6687 I believe you can only really understand poptart lore if you read it in the original Klingon.
Right😂😂😂
I would say we need a "Hold my Pop Tart!" patch but I bet the lawyers from Kellogg's would not appricate the free advertising.
"Hold my toaster pastry!" just doesn't work.
8:24. I really love how Paul and crew record everything in real time just like if I was standing there watching in person and ever how it comes out is what they present as much as they possibly can. Example: When Paul started testing the second box of ammo and picked up the first revolver, which he originally said was his Model 36, he called it his Model 15. It was never corrected on screen and I'm OK with that. Paul is a real guy making real content in real time with real tools and equipment. Little errors and inconsistencies occur. That's life. But another great presentation by a seasoned Professional.
I usually catch mistakes like that. This time I didn't notice until I read your comment. This is an example of the speech impediment that I occasionally mention.
@@PaulHarrell No worries, Sir!
I caught some grammatical or syntax errors in your comment that you have failed to correct. However, I'm going to let it go.
@@Hjerte_Verke Don't worry someone will be along shortly to have a freakout about it.
I noticed that too, but figured, hey, everybody mis-speaks on occasion.
I'm constantly amazed by the number of people that suffer from selective hearing syndrome. Paul and crew are extremely thorough and professional in their presentations. Very rarely is the absolutist statement made. Thank you Paul and crew for the wonderful information you provided today. Be well and straight shooting.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes, and Paul ain't no Sith!
It’s funny cuz “only a sith deals in absolutes” is an absolute.
“That required one sharp slap and, somehow, I didn’t manage to poke a hole in my hand.” 😏
Nice callback Paul! 😂
I think Paul's father would be proud of him.
Starting laughing as soon as I saw him hit it 😂
@@chasegilley1906 Me too...knowing full well that was gonna be a dig on Caleb....
Ah yes the young chair force Ranger SOF Seated Oblivious Fantasies guy.
"Somehow I managed not to poke a hole in my hand" STILL ripping on Caleb, love it!
Poor Caleb still lives on ,even if only when Paul decides to troll him... I got a good laugh out of Paul NOT stabbing a hole through his hand after SHARPLY whacking that ejector rod!
Is that guy still around? Oddly and fortunately the Tube algorithm does not recommend that channel to me. Gotta laugh when a guy thinks you can bend an ejector rod with your hand. He must use some super cheap revolvers, maybe those RG saturday night specials from West Germany....?
Only the long time subscribers got that reference
@@Hjerte_Verke He goes by "Mister Revolver" these days
Deleted the relevant videos and denies any knowledge
@@moreparrotsmoredereks2275 I’d actually forgotten that other guy’s name but did get the reference right off. Man that was one long rebuttal from Paul but an outstanding video for certain.
@@user-UC7PfZyg-o4 yep 😜😜😜
Nice reference to not poking a hole into your palm when you slap the ejector rod...the rebuttal to Gun Nuts from a few years back is still one of my favorite videos...
Does he even still have a channel?
What video is this referencing? I couldn’t find it.
@@shawnmiller4781 changed name to mister revolver.
@@ericc3327 interesting
@@splyntered The Paul video is a 1hr+ installment called "Rebuttal" and in it he references and features some of Caleb's stupid statements and refutes them all. Paul reminds us that words still have meaning LOL
Two videos in one day! Thanks Paul!
While I'll say Paul Harrell is rarely wrong, rarely boring in his videos, and rarely unentertaining, I could never say he is always funny because it depends on your sense of humor, the size of your pistol's chamber, and the size of your ammo. But Paul always is the man and never ceases to educate.
Thank you Paul. Rest in Peace.
Love this guy, because even if I don't completely agree with something he says, I know that we both know that there are so many variables that we could both be wrong
Just out of pure curiosity, what do you not agree with?
@@Charles-A Some of his statements over the years on firearms choices, opinions. Nothing serious. Dude is clearly VERY knowledgeable. Frankly, if we were able to sit down and talk about it, I think we could easily get some common ground, even where we disagree.
Or in an even stranger turn of events, both of you could be right with all those variables bouncing around the range.
@@markh.6687 Perhaps, but as a general rule I don't go around with the idea that I am anything but an idiot, that way I don't make myself look stupid when I AM an idiot.
@@johndoe-so2ef I'd attempt to argue with that, but there are days that I should have a shirt on reading "I'm stupid-don't talk to me" to avoid entrapping anyone in my Day of Stupidity (TM).
“Some chambers are a little tighter than others.”
Good advice.
Sadly not in 2023. Most chambers have had thousands of hot loads ran through them.
@@nukiesduke6868Zing!!!
Cleaning MT Dew off my walls ...thanks for the laughs
@@nukiesduke6868
So are we supposed to keep 6 in rotation before trying to fill them up again?
Ayyyyy lmao
I've read that the S&W uses a .361" bullet. I've got an Enfield from 1943 (WW2 surplus) and a S&W lemon squeezer from 1902 and both of them slug to a barrel diameter of about .361". Many modern manufacturers do exactly what modern reloaders do and just use incorrect .357 or .358" bullets, in which case they will fit into a 38/357 gun. They work in the old guns but won't be very accurate, but most people won't notice.
I've never heard of a top-break revolver called a "lemon squeezer". Learned something new.
@@md_vandenberg They have the addition of a squeeze safety (similar to a 1911). Not all top breaks have it.
@@md_vandenberg yeah these were called that because they actually have a grip safety that you have to squeeze.
@@66smithraI own one too ! Inherited from my Grandfather. He Inherited it from his great uncle as he was a sheriff & it was his "dress clothes" revolver.
@@tombrown4683 they are neat little pieces!
I'm glad you didn't hurt your hand Paul even after 2 slaps, I love the reference.
Two videos in one day! Yay! And I have loved every “Long tedious presentation” as well as every “dawn of time” explanation Paul has ever done! 😊
Usually one needs to pay extra for long drawn out painful. . . . .
Yeah he's very easy to listen to.
cfzippo, I 100% agree !
I laughed more than I should have at this video. Between the “hold my pop tart” and “not poking a hole in your hand”. You have such a great delivery with your humor, it always catches me off guard. Keep up the good work Paul. You and your crew do excellent work.
Wow! Two videos in one day and this one even has a supplemental. Thanks Paul!
Bonus footage - YAY !
15:45 So, to sum up what Paul is saying, Paul is claiming that .38 S&W is the devil’s caliber!
I love this channel. I have learned so many useful things from this man over the years.
Paul, as always, informative & entertaining!
Some chambers are tighter than others.
Two old adages to keep in mind: "Just because something shouldn't fit, doesn't mean it won't," and "Just because you think something will fit, doesn't mean it will."
And of course the overarching adage, "Just because you can, does not mean you should."
Or, "If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway".
Always smile when I see a Paul video pop up.
I read that as "Always smile when I see a Paul video pop tart," first time I saw it.
@@joshuabessire9169 also true!!!
Your videos are so relaxing Paul.
Why don’t this man have three million subscribers?
haters...
UA-cam no likey firearm knowledge.
Because he's not tacticool who wears a $2k plate carrier to the airsoft range.
Because mainstream only wants to be entertained without actually wanting to learn anything valuable. Keep up the GREAT work , Paul!
The sky is so blue, and the grass is so green. Beautiful scenery there.
Eastern Oregon.
Lol. I spit coffee when he said here hold my poptart instead of the typical hold my beer.
Yeah! 😂
Video posted just 7 minutes ago. Last time I was this early Paul only had one caveat.
I have 2 Ruger SP101s. One has had the cylinder chamfered for fast reloads. It will load and fire 357 mag, 38spl, 38 colt, 38lc, 38 s&w, and 38 long S&W. The other will not chamber the 38 S&W cartridges. Like you said, it depends.
That may be a cylinder throat issue. My experience with Rugers is that they have widely varying cylinder throat diameters, often among chambers in the same cylinder.
Can you put 9mm with a moon clip in it?
@@jasonshults368 not a throat issue, one I took to a gunsmith and had it chamfered for fast reloads. The other I bought a few years later and never had it chamfered. Somehow I'm the guy that friends come to if they want to try out a gun or learn to shoot. Anyway I found that handing someone a heavy stainless steel revolver with mild recoil ammo boost their confidence in mastering the defense tool that they had a little fear of. That said, I would hand a 70 year old friend of my mother my SP101 or GP100 that was loaded with 38 Colts. When she was confident with it, I'd load .38 Long Colts, then progress to .38 Spl. At that point, to a lighter revolver. But that's not what I want to get into right now. I buy or reload .38 Colts and .38LCs for that reason. One day I was in Academy ( a sporting goods store here is Texas) looked up and saw they had .38 Colts on the shelf. Well, factory load Remington green and yellow box all look the same. What I grabbed was .38 S&W, didn't notice till I got home. Was a little upset because I couldn't return them. However, out of curiosity I checked to see if any would chamber them. To my surprise the chambered SP101 and a couple others did. .38 Colt is the parent case to .38spl so all 357 or 38 spl revolvers should be fine with modern factory loaded 38 colt or long colts. .38 S&W is a tapered wall cartridge, it's base is slightly larger than that of the 38 Colt, 38 Spl., 357 Rem Mag. So some guns have loose enough tolerance to chamber the. 38 S&W and some may need to be chamfered.
@@2326TX I was slightly worried of the slightly larger projectile of the .38sw combined with the weaker charge behind it causing the bullet to get stuck in the barrel, but since Paul just blasted a bunch of those out of a 357 and never mentioned this being a possibility, i guess it's fine?
Came for the revolver content but got the bonus of Paul dunking on a psude.
I had some .38 s&w that fit in a Model 10 Smith......Buffalo Bore makes a hi velocity round that is not safe for Top Break type revolvers. Even in regular form...it is a very good round for older/ recoil shy shooters. Even though slow moving....with the 145 grain bullet...it has the knockdown power similar to a .380. It would be interesting to see you test the two. But swing out cylinder revolvers like Colt Police Positive and S&W Terriers/ Regulation Police are getting expensive, and harder to find.
Look at all the flowers in that field, in between the tree stands. Quite beautiful.
A twofer on Tuesday from Paul! Today is a good day! Thank you Sir for all your hard work and time you are appreciated.
Nice very accurate demo. I personally would not load anything but a 357 mag or 38 special in my 357. Still good to see you show each of them.
I was wondering about the compatibility of those two cartridges. Thanks, Paul !
Greetings from Arizona Mr. Harrell
Very well presented, as usual. Thanks Paul.
I just discovered this channel. I'm enjoying it immensely!
Back in the 1970s I purchased S&W model 10 on the cheap that had been reamed to accept .357…I had enough good sense to only shoot .38 Special or really down loaded to .38 Special data using .357 brass…I eventually sold it to a family member with the strict caveat to NOT SHOOT .357 mag ammo (he ignored my advice and never had issues with his foolish choice 🙄)…I lost contact with him years ago…never heard about him suffering Ill results from the Model 10.
Was it a Bull Heavy Barrel like PD or pencil barrel?
@@DanTheWolfman heavy barrel.
@@DanTheWolfman heavy barrel…the first one I had ever seen
If a bridge is rated for a 4000 pound load and you roll a 3-ton truck over it, the bridge is not going to collapse on that truck. The kicker is, the next ten cars that cross it afterwards might get across, but the eleventh car may end up in the river.
Overloading may not result in instant and spectacular failure, but may impart enough damage that even repeated normal use afterwards will accumulate damage to the point of failure.
@@BogeyTheBear AMEN my friend 👍👍👍
"HOLD MY POPTART!" I chuckled pretty hard at this. Thank you Paul!
due to reloading at home, I learned to use Machinist Pin Gauges to measure the chambers on my .38's and .357's, as well as the Forcing Cone. The .38's I had, generally measured .358 at their tightest point. My .357's though, ran the gamut of .356 to .358, sometimes in the same cylinder. Btw, my set of Pin Gauges were .3550 to .3590 in .0005 increments.
Thank you for all the hard work you do Paul. I enjoy your videos and channel. You are entertaining and informative. Keep up the amazing content.
Call me crazy but being a big fan and avid watcher, it appears Paul has a new camera the picture quality is very vivid and HD. Thank you for all the useful info and entertainment over the years.
"somehow I managed not to poke a hole in my hand" made me so giddy! I love when Paul gets salty!
Hey your presentations are awesome it would be really great if you did a presentation on 32 revolvers some of the modern 32 Ammunition and pistols I think would be awesome for self-defense but the meat Target would show better but from 32 short to the 32 Magnums made today it would be a very educational video I watch 99% of your stuff and I've never seen anything on 32
I've been wondering about buying a 327 fed mag for all of those lesser loads it could fire.
@@jagx234 if your intent is saving money, they aren't that much cheaper like the difference between.38 and .357. If you want versatility for an adverse scenario, while you're technically correct, none of those are easy to come by, at least in no way .38/357 is. But if you're recoil sensitive, and want to train with something that won't disturb you, now that's a great choice. Training with less powerful loads is a great way to get used to a gun, even if you intend to load it with something much more powerful in a real scenario.
@Neomalthusiano is specifically for the gamut of recoil level options that o was wondering about it. I don't subscribe to the scavenging at the end of times scenario. Just using one common round makes more sense to me there.
327 adding another round to a revolver, and being able to have say 32 h&r mag for myself but 32 long for my wife or daughter was intriguing
@@jagx234 I used to shoot "brute calibers" at ease. But, after I got a work injury, even a regular .357 mag load is too much for me. Where I live, I have no access to .327 mag, so have no experience to share. However, my father owns a .32 S&W L revolver, and I would have no problem spending an afternoon shooting it, if ammo was easier to come by. In case of a .327 mag revolver (with 32 S&W L ammo), which, due being more robust, in theory, may be slightly heavier, and thus, have even less recoil than a .32 S&W L only gun, it would have everything to be a pleasant experience for other family members to get into shooting, while still presenting a large room of flexibility for you to shoot more powerful loads.
If you have no difficulty getting both the gun and ammo where you live, I say you should do it. My creed is that every family member should have some experience with a gun. They don't need to go to a range often or make it a hobby. Yet, knowing how to handle a gun safely and shoot it with a reasonable degree of competency may make the difference in a life or death situation. And that's a good choice of a gun for both experienced and novices. Just, if you can, try the revolver before buying to check if it matches your expectations. Due the lack of models available, maybe it doesn't and another (unfortunately more complex) solution could be getting into handloading, buy a .357 revolver, if don't own one already, and start handloading tailored to your needs. Tame 115 gr loads for the ladies and more powerful loads to yourself.
A Paul twofer in the same day? Heaven!
According to the internet, in 1899 S&W introduced the model 1899(technically still being manufactured today, known as the model 10) with the caliber 38 special, a black powder cartridge.
There's some debate as to whether the 1899 version of the revolver was a .38 S/W and the special came later, or the 1899 was the special. I've heard it both ways. But yes, originally the .38 special was black powder.
and they say that in 1902 it was switched to smokeless powder.
ANOTHER VIDEO? Hell yeah!
A double upload? Hurray!
2 videos in 1 day, we really have won a prize. Ty Paul.
Thanks for another great presentation. Regarding a source of high performance 38 S&W, Buffalo Bore offer 125 gr load @ 1000fps, if that counts.
2 videos one day? Now thats a great day
Plus, in TEOTWAWKI, you can't rely on finding the exact ammo that is guaranteed to fit in the weapon you have/found. Best to come up with a different plan you can rely on.
With God, all things are possible.
....what?
@@ligaar0849 With the power of God, we can chamber the 38 s&w, maybe even fire it.
God and America
“Oh yeah?! Hold my pop-tarts” needs to be on a t-shirt.😂😂😂
Thanks, Paul. Wonderful video!
I have 2 old 38S&W revolvers. I love to shoot them, accurate with very light recoil. Not too many companies make this ammo now. Would you do a video on who does it best? Best performance for self defense?
Sorry if this sounds silly. Like racing Model T’s. But fun!
Thanks again! Ken
I like PPU 145gr. LRN and of course the Remington 146gr. LRN and I have bought some Fiocchi 145gr LRN and FMJ ammo as well and all 3 seem to be pretty comparable in comparrison and all 3 are smoking accurate out of my 4 standard barrel !!! My revolver is a 1952 post war Smith & Wesson Regulation Police in .38s&w ctg./caliber !!! This ammo is quite abit on the expensive side but I get 1 or 2 boxes at least 3 times a year and stock up on it just like any other caliber but within reason due to cost !!!
There aren't many companies making .38 S/W ammo, but as far as I can tell, the Remington green and yellow box ammo is Very good.
@@PaulHarrell That PPU is smoking accurate at least out to 15 yards it's like I can't miss my target unless I do so on purpose but who wants to miss hitting their target I sure don't but I am shocked as to how accurate my 52 post war Regulation Police revolver really is !! I just got to go and take time in an indoor range at 7 yards and see it I can put 5 shots in one hole in the bullseye !!! I believe I can and I might just video it for the added pressure !!! Hahhhaa !!!
I've been hand loading for.38 SW for years. If you can find 38sw bullets there are .361 or .362. Once the brass has been fired it will no longer fit in any of my .357 bore guns even after resizing. I use hollow base wadcutters. The expand nicely to the bore and are very accurate. You have to load them with a 3rd of the bullet proud due to the short case length. You can flip the wadcutters around to make a sort of ad hoc hollow point and they shoot ok and will flatten out pretty well but with the velocity inherent to the caliber, penetration would be problematic. I started reloading for it when I got an ex-hong kong police webley mk4. I noticed a few years ago that hornady xtp hollow points for 9mm makarov can be seated without drama and chamber normally( at least in my gun, try at your own risk.) They group fine but not to point of aim. Also 9mak cartridges will drop right in to the cylinder but lacking a rim, they will sink to just below flush and the extractor star cannot grip them. Never tried to actually fire them however. If I ever stumble across a lend lease model 10 in 38SW I'd be tempted to have it cut for moon clips and shoot 9mak through it.
It's really cool that you keep that old Webley running! A really piece of history!
"Somehow I managed not to poke a hole in my hand doing that."
Hahahahaha nice callback.
I think it’s important to point out that just because the round will chamber does not necessarily mean it would be safe to fire.
I was pondering this point as well. For the rifling in the barrel to work well, the bullet diameter has to just barely have some friction with the grooves. Far too much friction would lead to Really Bad Things(tm) happening. "Barely too much?" Maybe not Really Bad Things (tm), but certainly could be poor performance.
In hypothesis, at least. I think I'll stick with using ammunition in the designated caliber for any gun I'm going to use. I don't feel need to test that hypothesis.
If it seats it yeats bud
Paul said that.
This is true, you may experience some lead splash from an un-jacketed round.
But the bullet will still exit the barrel.
Paul literally talked about that within the first minute of the video 😂 it starts at 0:48
"Oh yeah? Hold my Pop-tart!" needs to be on a T-shirt.
Love your stuff! I would love your opinion on “bear guns”-as in pistols for bear defense while hiking and camping.
One small enough to make carrying it comfortable while being accurate enough to take out your friends knee while they are trying to tie their shoes.
I think 10mm is a popular handgun cartridge for bear defense.
Bears are defensive enough. Never give one a gun.
@@ScottinWV-bgij lol.
The best defense is a good offense.
@@ScottinWV-bgij Support your right to arm bears!
I like how he layed out the revolvers , convenient for his left and right hand.
Well Paul, now you've put the mental picture of you in the bar eating PopTarts while all the other patrons are holding each other's beers ...
Thank you, Paul. This was informative.
I didn't realize they still made 38 Smith and Wesson
Difficult to find and very expensive if you do find some.
Yeah...I have some PPU and Fiocchi. I think Remington still makes it too.
@@Chris_the_Dingo Yep I buy all 3 brands when I can but mostly PPU and Fiocchi !!!
According to one of my FFL dealer he said that when come to certain calibers companies only make small amount, stop, wait till they sell out their stockpile and produce small amount again. Repeat.
It's an easy caliber to reload for. Ive been able to use 9mm makarov hornady XTPs in my webley (I reload for 9mak too). The seat fine in the case and chamber without issue in my webly
Outstanding presentation by our beloved professor Harrell.
Does the .38 Smith and Wesson chamber in the Ruger Security Six revolver? You skip it while trying to extract the ammo from the previous Ruger
Yes it does.
@@PaulHarrell Thanx for the answer!! And for the material you upload. Very educational. Greetings from Argentina.
Paul Herrell always tells me facts & provides evidence. When I watch a Paul Herrell presentation he never steers me wrong !
What about .38/200 British in a .357 magnum? :^)
Well done. Very well done. Thank you.
The real prize was 2 videos in 1 day :)
Did I win a prize ?
Uh huh. ^_^
Sure
Of course:: 2 videos of Paul un one day
during the ammo shortage, I accidentally bought the 38 S&W wheel gun because it was the only box on the shelf, when I got home and sized it up with my Colt King Cobra 357, I found that some rounds chambered easily while others needed "gentle persuasion", I asked my range master before shooting the stuff and he said, "it won't blow up your gun but it will be very dirty and be sure to clean the chambers well as there can be scoring in the cylinders that could obstruct seating of the proper ammo", he was correct with everything he said
Hey Paul in a previous video you said you could hunt with a 556. Could you do a meat target test using a 556 and ammo that you would use in that type of scenario and compare it to a more traditional hunting cartridge. If youve already made a video like this I apologize I couldnt find it
We have a presentation on shooting the AR pistol at 200 yards. This includes a demo of different hunting ammunitions vs. the meat target fired from 10.5 and 20 inch barrels.
@@PaulHarrell Thank you Paul Ill do more due diligence and find it. I appreciate you taking the time to reply.
Thanks Mr. Harrell!!! Your the Man!!
Okay, which of you will be the subject of next week’s video? 🍿🍿
🤐 me.
Very informative , and entertaining as always. Thankyou for your efforts
Thanks for making the 38 S&W in 38 Special video.
Dude, I live in the UK. I love your presentations. Thank you
Boy how I miss my original Dan Wesson. Great presentation, Paul, and thanks countless times for keeping on sharing these. 👍👍👏 10⭐
Paul does another encore at the end of the video. Bonus ! It is custom that the star of the play, come back for another act after the standing ovation. Love it.
Priceless! And I will say that your videos are ALWAYS entertaining! Tell me that I’m wrong
I've been watching your videos for a few years now and I find them very educational and entertaining, thank you Paul
Very knowledgeable. Thanks for the video! Paul Harrell out of context will have a field day with "Hold My Poptart"
Paul I love your channel, keep doing what you do, Your the best. Thank you. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
Buffalo Bore offers a 125 grain cast flat nose at 950 fps from a 4” barrel that’s supposed to be within the 13,000 CUP limit.
Paul great chat good night and GOD BLESS y’all Amen 🙏.
Thank you for your service and thank you for your informative videos
On a lighter note, all Pop Tart varieties that I have put into my toaster fit like it was made for them.
Without going into the pedantic details, 38S&W is really a different caliber in more ways than just length. That said, I do use the 38S&W reloading data as a guide for loading 38 Short Colt. It's the data I have. I also have 38 Long Colt brass. It's pre-covid brass made by Starline. The reason I have it is to reduce the case volume for light loads. This raises chamber pressure but also increases powder burn efficiency and consistency. I have also used 9mm Luger reload data. In all cases, I'm shooting with a 357 Magnum revolver. I've also found that when shooting lead bullets (I like the Hi-Tek coated ones), 0.358" bullets form a better seal in the barrel for less leading or blow by gasses. Again, that probably leads to higher pressures. I'm typically running somewhere between 3.5-4.5gr of Unique, so I don't think I'm going to blow up a gun.
It really speaks to the versatility of the revolver that this can be done with appropriate prudence.
Great video, as always, consistent and logical research. And a great dry wit.
I appreciate your personal information. I found, for myself, your information was/is beneficial for me.
Something I'd be interested to see tested and covered in this format would be .40 S&W in 10mm auto handguns. I've heard of it, seen it done on other youtube channels (though not tried myself), and FK BRNO even advertised their 10mm barrel on the PSD as being able to use both cartridges.
My guess is that diameter-wise there will be almost universal interchangeability with 40S&W in 10mm auto loaders because of modern manufacturing and precision standards as well as the fact that 40 was developed directly and deliberately as an under loaded version of 10mm while 38 special and 38 S&W had no direct design or manufacturing links between them. (GD that was a heck of a run on sentence)
The problems I expect to arise will be related to:
1) 40 may not stack properly in 10mm mags because of the length difference leading to feeding issues in some guns
2) I’d expect some guns to have extraction issues as some 40 rounds may not be powerful enough to consistently and fully cycle the slide of some guns
But that’s all semi-educated guesswork and I 100% agree that Paul should do a long drawn out video comparison, with lots of … pauses, to actually put this idea to the test.
Who knows, maybe I’ll be totally wrong and we’ll find out that we can all consistently use 40 as cheap training ammo in our 10mm guns!
Great stuff, as always.
Yesssss!!! Lately I have been working on my .357mag collection. Love the caliburs and definitely love the information on other calibers
Thank you Paul! YOU answered a standing question I had a concern over. !!! The kid at the store was clueless!
Great video Paul. Always love watching your presentations. There is reason why they say. Only use the ammo that your firearm is chambered for. I agree with you 100%
38 Special was introduced in the Smith & Wesson Hand Ejector in 1898 and that revolver, aka S&W M&P, S&W Model 10, has been in continuous production since then. The 38 Short Colt and 38 Long Colt case are the ancestors of the 38 Special as the Special is the direct ancestor of the 357 Magnum.
Having tried putting Remington 38 S&W into various 38 Special revolvers, I'm stunned that what you found fits. I speculate that it might be just that lot or that the new factory is using different specs to dimensions. Very interesting video, appreciated.