Haven't even finished watching but this jig you did is fantastic! GREAT work, it's so nice to see someone who takes pride in their hobby like this! Thank you for what you do =)
I love this video, and since I’m in the market for new driveshafts I watched it again, I know a guy who money is virtually no object and he swears by the MIP axles. I’ve been able to find them new for about $75 a pair, so that’s not so bad. And after rewatching this, as much as I think the Traxxas axle weakened the jig, I guess the MIP showed its muscle. Thanks again!
from one garage mechanic to another i love your approach and i would have done the same thing...however its not what the axles goes through during driving, i had the plastic axles and they snapped but are cheap to replace....i did the traxxas performance axles, and it was not the axle it self but rather the dog bone's cross pin that sheared, not just on one axle but one by one they all failed, even in the center driveline....i bought the MIP's good they are, but now it was not the axles failing but the diff's...i eventually learned one thing SET YOUR SLIPPER RIGHT AND THERE IS NO PROBLEMS, yes once in a while you will snap an axle, they are wear items like so many other parts...traxxas performance axles just extended the the service interval...mip axles, made axles breaking a thing of the past, but now i had to take the diff out and rebuild it...no thanks i will buy a handful of traxxas plastic axles and let them take the abuse rather than having to take the truck apart....i love bashing and i hate downtime...a set of axles is way easier to fix than taking the truck apart to do the diff's or something else....just set your slipper to slip a few feet like the manual says, and you will be fine for the most part.....rc is a money pit...and i love it!!!
Steel shafts also add wheight to the car. If you wan't a car to be able to withstand alot of bashing, it is best to swap out heavy pieces with aluminum and titanium parts, and lighter wheels. I did this on my E-Maxx brushless and it can take alot of beating.
+imgone- dont say traxxas is junk, i own tons of traxxas rc's as well as losi, hpi, and other brands as well, and traxxas outstands and outperforms anything the competition has to offer, and i have also had a lot of experience with traxxas. and if you do break something on a traxxas, they have a full lifetime warranty for their cars, so they will replace parts that break if you call their customer service.
very helpful I bought a revo 2 weeks ago and have went crazy buying parts have 10 cars and this one is my favorite as of right now just broke axel last night and thought about going a different route I'll stick to stock big thumbs up
Yeah, i think it's the shock loading that breaks them mostly. I had a traxxas tmaxx and used to glue a wooden dowel down the center of the plastic axle to keep them from twisting.
That company with the splined axle should send you a box full of them for the great advertising eh!! The weather probably has a big affect on the plastic one!! Good stuff Buddy!!☺
I like the way the Summit axle's have an enclosed area around the u-joint, my E Revo has an ear to retain the joint, the Summit axle would not have broken like mine did
Another way you could test the drive shafts is to put the in the jig you have but hook a high speed drill where your torque wrenches now then hook a pully to the other end with a band around it and then hook the torque wrench around the band and tightin down until it breaks this would stimulate high speed in the car
My erevo 2.0 just broke front plastic shaft. It broke just b4. The swivels. I got the up grade trexxas shaft. Just put the front 1 in want to break the rear plastic b4 I put heavy duty in. Good video.
Just by having a metal CV joint instead of a universal joint is what makes the after market heavy duty drive shafts better than the factory tracks is drive shafts
The speed rate makes a difference as well as the temperature. In the cold weather, metals become brittle and the harder the metal the quicker it snaps. The speed at which the pressure is applied will make a difference as the buoyancy of the different metal will react differently. The video is good though, your conclusion is correct, the MIP's are much better than the either of those Traxxas axles, I've used both and Traxxas always snaps. The Traxxas metal axles dog bone is the part that breaks, the axle itself doesnt. If youre snapping axles though, you may want to adjust your slip clutch, especially in the cold weather.
Good video, but if I have one criticism it's that he is inducing the torque on the hub side where the torque is produced inboard on the vehicle so it puts much more stress on the inner joints which are where most able brake occur.
I definitely agree that the splines are a way better option to offer lengths changes and since I drive a monster truck, there’s a lot of suspension travel, and therefore the length should constantly be changing. Great video!
Yup I put lipo’s and a Robinson’s clutch into my off the shelf Erevo . Wow amazing fast as hell the speed app no longer works and it tore itself apart . This Noobie sat down and hit youtube. The last one is heat treated all of it that sir has been in a furnace to be that strong 🦾.
You can find a 2moto kit used for 2000 - 2500. If you plan to be in much powder the Timbersled kit may be the way to go though. Those are 4000-6000 depending on which one you want.
Hello, mostly not the total torque damages the drive shaft/couplings but more the frequency of torque peaks that wears down the bearings/pins like crazy. Gr. Chip. this is what i'm designing see /user/forquip
I like the Ball X, little dissapointing they chose to go with dog bones on one end, what axles do you normally use on yours? I really dont mind the plastic axle idea, kind of a parts saver axle but weak ends. I likely will change mine over to plastic Traxxas Summit axles, I have some here now and I really like the way they are made, steel cv's on both ends and a much better design on the shaft ends, check them out if you haven't already
The problem with strong axles on an e Revo 1.0 is the diffs are weak. I run plastic shafts so I can break those which are quick to change out in the field instead of the diff.
I agree with all the positive comments...my only issue was that you didnt seem to take safety into account...dont bend over a part your twisting...asking for trouble.
Yep, I guess the other thing is trying not to slam your e-revo into a mail box at full speed on 6s. Didn't go so well for it. = $25 chassis $15 bulkhead $30 all steering components $100 new lipos (they got smashed lol) and probably more that I have not discovered. And it hit the front A arm straight on and it broke the metal pin holding the arm in place but not the arm.... Keep those videos coming!
If you lived close to me, we'd be best friends. Same interests. You need a snow kit for your CR500AF. I've wanted one of those bikes for a while, owned a few old school 500's back in the day. Good stuff man, good stuff.
i think the original 1 of the truck broke because of sudden impacts. When you jump something the wheels wil go to a higher speed and then when it lands everything turns at the higher speed and then all of a sudden its slowed down a lot. And because the tube would flex back again that would still look okay. But the u joint thing got a beating a few times and started to crack. But still a nice test of those axles.
E-revo brushless edition. Also as a note the MIP's improve acceleration as they don't flex at all. I also wonder about the TVR ball-X claiming to be the strongest,but they are extremely expensive! As some future advice, the diff case and chassis are also not very strong and plan on replacing those if you crash straight into something. Surprisingly, in the 4 years I have owned my e-revo I have never broke the A-arms.
Wow 7 lbs that a good bit for a little axle i had a stampede and would egg shape the holes because your full throttle in the air and when you land it would stop and crack them
awesome test, makes me wanna go for the splined axles as apposed to the traxxas ones. was really contemplating them considering their price, but since there is a better option why not
best way to test them would be to fix one side of the shaft to a jig and use an impact wrench to batter the thing back and forth simulating driveline shock load.
Very interesting and scientific enough, is #2 and #3 axle made of the same material and how much torque does the engine produce? Obviously enough to shear off the stock one
wow i am very impressed by your set up here! on thing though, as you're slowly putting on the torque you're giving the molecules in the axles time to move, whereas if you were to throw on torque at a faster pace you would be simulating what the RCs are doing when they break those axles. problem is, its hard to get a reading off that.
You've made a great video, a great driveshaft testing tool, and I like the way you're testing the driveshaft. However once you started loading torque on the driveshaft and they started twisting up, I felt and feel that once the driveshaft is bend it is no good. So it doesn't matter if they break or not, once they get out of round the r/c user should see and noticed that in a vibration or decreased performance. Also in very rare situations, Will you have one part of the drivetrain locked up and the other part delivering torque in such a way that you're going to bend driveshafts like that. We know the strength is there, But what we're looking for is longevity.
I've broken 2 steel traxxas CVD's on my 1.0 in the last two weeks. I only broke 1 plastic axle in 2 years and that was with 6s. I think the plastic ones take less beating due to their give. I thought about going to summit axles but I'm having a hard time finding a set. Supposedly their stronger that the e-revo ones while being plastic
I use the MIP's as I cannot afford Ball X nor do I think that spending $150 is worth spending on axiles. The only thing I don't like about them is if you dont use enough thread lock the screw fall out and can get expensive quickly. I didn't know Summit axiles worked on revo.... What parts do you break most often on your E-revo?
I believe it's the shock as the car starts moving, not the torque from the motor that snaps the axles. This test would be accurate if these axles were going on a crawler such as the traxxas summit because that's when slow torque would come into play.
Interesting test I had a set of mip drive shafts for my slash and i still ended up snapping all four of them. Was pretty disappointed since they are pretty expensive
Sweet... Nice test for those into RC's and it was fun to watch to see which axle was going to be the toughest.... on this torture test anyhow.... LOL . Merrie~Merrie
Great job, nice jig! I'm wondering how you could test shock with that jig? maybe some type of clutch you could engage? The slow introduction of force isn't how these things fail which I know you are aware so I think you should get a drill spinning something like a flywheel you can engage somehow? It would be very helpful and more destructive to watch of course! Thanks again, still an informative video!
neat'o Surprised that you have broken your A arms. Mine seem to be the only parts that do not break. I have broken several bulk head's and chassis though. The back wing is almost shredded into a million bits but I modded a revo wheelie bar to fit the e revo bulkhead. I am working on fabricating e-revo parts out of carbon fiber and hope to eventually sell them. First I am working on making them indestructible.
Seems the ends of the plastic E Revo axles ends give me trouble, broke some A arms too and a bulk head, mostly driver error like smack into a tree or the sand box, ouch, man is this thing fast ha ha, I will do a summit axle conversion video, big up grade
three of them broke the actual tube of the shaft and the other one broke at the dog bone. after that i sold the slash because i couldnt find any shafts that wouldnt break
I always wanted to see the axles tested like this. You did a great job.
Haven't even finished watching but this jig you did is fantastic! GREAT work, it's so nice to see someone who takes pride in their hobby like this! Thank you for what you do =)
I found with the MIP rust badly. bashing wise it's shit
@@ansonmah5916 Really? Huh, and I was totally sold on them.
Please don't get me wrong your testing and your set up is awesome me being an engine builder can appreciate everything you're doing
I'm happy to hear you enjoyed it, helps make tearing stuff up worth while
That jig is damn genius! I can’t wait to see the results! Wow that was very cool to watch and a really good way to test those.
Always interesting to see what you're up to sir! Well done, I don't have a RC car but still enjoyed the method of testing
I love this video, and since I’m in the market for new driveshafts I watched it again, I know a guy who money is virtually no object and he swears by the MIP axles. I’ve been able to find them new for about $75 a pair, so that’s not so bad. And after rewatching this, as much as I think the Traxxas axle weakened the jig, I guess the MIP showed its muscle. Thanks again!
from one garage mechanic to another i love your approach and i would have done the same thing...however its not what the axles goes through during driving, i had the plastic axles and they snapped but are cheap to replace....i did the traxxas performance axles, and it was not the axle it self but rather the dog bone's cross pin that sheared, not just on one axle but one by one they all failed, even in the center driveline....i bought the MIP's good they are, but now it was not the axles failing but the diff's...i eventually learned one thing SET YOUR SLIPPER RIGHT AND THERE IS NO PROBLEMS, yes once in a while you will snap an axle, they are wear items like so many other parts...traxxas performance axles just extended the the service interval...mip axles, made axles breaking a thing of the past, but now i had to take the diff out and rebuild it...no thanks i will buy a handful of traxxas plastic axles and let them take the abuse rather than having to take the truck apart....i love bashing and i hate downtime...a set of axles is way easier to fix than taking the truck apart to do the diff's or something else....just set your slipper to slip a few feet like the manual says, and you will be fine for the most part.....rc is a money pit...and i love it!!!
100% accurate^
Steel shafts also add wheight to the car. If you wan't a car to be able to withstand alot of bashing, it is best to swap out heavy pieces with aluminum and titanium parts, and lighter wheels. I did this on my E-Maxx brushless and it can take alot of beating.
imgone 😄 Traxxas doesn't interest me at all
+imgone- dont say traxxas is junk, i own tons of traxxas rc's as well as losi, hpi, and other brands as well, and traxxas outstands and outperforms anything the competition has to offer, and i have also had a lot of experience with traxxas. and if you do break something on a traxxas, they have a full lifetime warranty for their cars, so they will replace parts that break if you call their customer service.
Also if u make the truck bullet proved, the next thing that will break is the wheel or tire and those run at around $100 a set. Ouch!!
Nice video! Thanks for sacrificing parts for showing us the tests!
very helpful I bought a revo 2 weeks ago and have went crazy buying parts have 10 cars and this one is my favorite as of right now just broke axel last night and thought about going a different route I'll stick to stock big thumbs up
Yeah, i think it's the shock loading that breaks them mostly. I had a traxxas tmaxx and used to glue a wooden dowel down the center of the plastic axle to keep them from twisting.
Finally someone did a very in formative video THANK YOU
I love these videos from Groutaone, This dude has the coolest videos on You tube.
Is it only me or he simply didnt show the video of MIP axle testing?
if you had seen the entire vid, you would see why..
That company with the splined axle should send you a box full of them for the great advertising eh!! The weather probably has a big affect on the plastic one!! Good stuff Buddy!!☺
I like the way the Summit axle's have an enclosed area around the u-joint, my E Revo has an ear to retain the joint, the Summit axle would not have broken like mine did
I’ve run MIP and had zero issues. Also updated plastic a arms and ball carriers to RPM for one durable truck. Those are must do’s to any rc.
could you put a link to where you bought them? looking for an exact place to purchase
Another way you could test the drive shafts is to put the in the jig you have but hook a high speed drill where your torque wrenches now then hook a pully to the other end with a band around it and then hook the torque wrench around the band and tightin down until it breaks this would stimulate high speed in the car
That would make your channel the best on UA-cam!
My erevo 2.0 just broke front plastic shaft. It broke just b4. The swivels. I got the up grade trexxas shaft. Just put the front 1 in want to break the rear plastic b4 I put heavy duty in. Good video.
You could start your own R&D business. You've definitely got the knack for it.
Yes, now I recommend using hard case lipos as they are not effected as much from the g forces of 65 or 0 in 0 seconds.
Thanks for checking it out
Thanks for breaking some parts for our viewing pleasure! Haha. I'm surprised you already broke an axle already, you just got that truck!
Awesome thing about Traxxas is huge parts stock piles on Ebay and cheap, always find what I want
I was surprised that the plastic tube gave up before the joints on the stock Traxxas axle
Just by having a metal CV joint instead of a universal joint is what makes the after market heavy duty drive shafts better than the factory tracks is drive shafts
The speed rate makes a difference as well as the temperature. In the cold weather, metals become brittle and the harder the metal the quicker it snaps. The speed at which the pressure is applied will make a difference as the buoyancy of the different metal will react differently. The video is good though, your conclusion is correct, the MIP's are much better than the either of those Traxxas axles, I've used both and Traxxas always snaps. The Traxxas metal axles dog bone is the part that breaks, the axle itself doesnt. If youre snapping axles though, you may want to adjust your slip clutch, especially in the cold weather.
Good video, but if I have one criticism it's that he is inducing the torque on the hub side where the torque is produced inboard on the vehicle so it puts much more stress on the inner joints which are where most able brake occur.
you need your own TV show ehh ? :-D i check everyday for new videos from you ,. these videos are better than most of the crap out there !
Thanks, this is some crazy power from a Mamba monster electric motor
Thanks, I would like to do some more axle testing under more realistic conditions, I will put it in the bucket list
I definitely agree that the splines are a way better option to offer lengths changes and since I drive a monster truck, there’s a lot of suspension travel, and therefore the length should constantly be changing. Great video!
Yup I put lipo’s and a Robinson’s clutch into my off the shelf Erevo .
Wow amazing fast as hell the speed app no longer works and it tore itself apart .
This Noobie sat down and hit youtube. The last one is heat treated all of it that sir has been in a furnace to be that strong 🦾.
You can find a 2moto kit used for 2000 - 2500. If you plan to be in much powder the Timbersled kit may be the way to go though. Those are 4000-6000 depending on which one you want.
Hello, mostly not the total torque damages the drive shaft/couplings but more the frequency of torque peaks that wears down the bearings/pins like crazy.
Gr. Chip. this is what i'm designing see /user/forquip
I like the Ball X, little dissapointing they chose to go with dog bones on one end, what axles do you normally use on yours? I really dont mind the plastic axle idea, kind of a parts saver axle but weak ends. I likely will change mine over to plastic Traxxas Summit axles, I have some here now and I really like the way they are made, steel cv's on both ends and a much better design on the shaft ends, check them out if you haven't already
The problem with strong axles on an e Revo 1.0 is the diffs are weak. I run plastic shafts so I can break those which are quick to change out in the field instead of the diff.
What engine is in the RC.?..I like your experiment.
I agree with all the positive comments...my only issue was that you didnt seem to take safety into account...dont bend over a part your twisting...asking for trouble.
Yep, I guess the other thing is trying not to slam your e-revo into a mail box at full speed on 6s. Didn't go so well for it. = $25 chassis $15 bulkhead $30 all steering components $100 new lipos (they got smashed lol) and probably more that I have not discovered. And it hit the front A arm straight on and it broke the metal pin holding the arm in place but not the arm.... Keep those videos coming!
Seems like it's more actual instant torque that snaps them than gradual torque.
Maybe partly, the MIP did put a lot more torque on it which is likely the main cause
If you lived close to me, we'd be best friends. Same interests. You need a snow kit for your CR500AF. I've wanted one of those bikes for a while, owned a few old school 500's back in the day. Good stuff man, good stuff.
I used that old thing for years, rebuilt my share of V-8's with it, lovin the clicker though
same here G.im telling u we are so alike man. its crazy.
i think the original 1 of the truck broke because of sudden impacts. When you jump something the wheels wil go to a higher speed and then when it lands everything turns at the higher speed and then all of a sudden its slowed down a lot. And because the tube would flex back again that would still look okay. But the u joint thing got a beating a few times and started to crack. But still a nice test of those axles.
E-revo brushless edition. Also as a note the MIP's improve acceleration as they don't flex at all. I also wonder about the TVR ball-X claiming to be the strongest,but they are extremely expensive! As some future advice, the diff case and chassis are also not very strong and plan on replacing those if you crash straight into something. Surprisingly, in the 4 years I have owned my e-revo I have never broke the A-arms.
Wow 7 lbs that a good bit for a little axle i had a stampede and would egg shape the holes because your full throttle in the air and when you land it would stop and crack them
awesome test, makes me wanna go for the splined axles as apposed to the traxxas ones. was really contemplating them considering their price, but since there is a better option why not
you`re always building something .... cool video
best way to test them would be to fix one side of the shaft to a jig and use an impact wrench to batter the thing back and forth simulating driveline shock load.
My thoughts exactly..
Thanks, you can find the MIP's on Ebay
Love this vid! Big thumbs up!!
I wonder if the torsional twisting of the second one would help protect other driveline parts in the long run. Kind of like a built in damper.
Very interesting and scientific enough, is #2 and #3 axle made of the same material and how much torque does the engine produce? Obviously enough to shear off the stock one
wow i am very impressed by your set up here! on thing though, as you're slowly putting on the torque you're giving the molecules in the axles time to move, whereas if you were to throw on torque at a faster pace you would be simulating what the RCs are doing when they break those axles. problem is, its hard to get a reading off that.
I know the #2 axle has a smaller diameter shaft when I measure them both, but I don't think they are the same material
when is the next long travel suspension vid coming out @groutaone ?
You've made a great video, a great driveshaft testing tool, and I like the way you're testing the driveshaft. However once you started loading torque on the driveshaft and they started twisting up, I felt and feel that once the driveshaft is bend it is no good. So it doesn't matter if they break or not, once they get out of round the r/c user should see and noticed that in a vibration or decreased performance. Also in very rare situations, Will you have one part of the drivetrain locked up and the other part delivering torque in such a way that you're going to bend driveshafts like that. We know the strength is there, But what we're looking for is longevity.
I've broken 2 steel traxxas CVD's on my 1.0 in the last two weeks. I only broke 1 plastic axle in 2 years and that was with 6s. I think the plastic ones take less beating due to their give. I thought about going to summit axles but I'm having a hard time finding a set. Supposedly their stronger that the e-revo ones while being plastic
I like the TV show idea, but I would need more than six people including my mom to watch in order to pay the bills ha ha
Thanks for watching, not into guns much, may make some vids though
I use the MIP's as I cannot afford Ball X nor do I think that spending $150 is worth spending on axiles. The only thing I don't like about them is if you dont use enough thread lock the screw fall out and can get expensive quickly. I didn't know Summit axiles worked on revo.... What parts do you break most often on your E-revo?
great video now im 100% getting the mip
Thanks, I kinda like the snow kit idea, how much did yours cost?
I would go the traxxas steel shaft , less rotating mass and I bit of flexability is always good for bashing
Surprised about the mip ones, they've improved them as my first gen slash ones were pants
I believe it's the shock as the car starts moving, not the torque from the motor that snaps the axles. This test would be accurate if these axles were going on a crawler such as the traxxas summit because that's when slow torque would come into play.
the traxxas performance shafts are the best in my opinion iv broke 3 of the dog bones on the MIP shafts and haven't busted the traxxas steel ones yet
Do you bash with them or speed runs??
Lol I've broken 4 traxxas steel shafts
Interesting test I had a set of mip drive shafts for my slash and i still ended up snapping all four of them. Was pretty disappointed since they are pretty expensive
Yes you are correct, remove a weak link and find another
Hey groutaone I can't believe your into RC also. Haha I have the traxxas e revo brushless edition. I haven't managed to break my traxxas CVDs yet.
Thanks for doing this I think I'll go with the MIP !
Sweet... Nice test for those into RC's and it was fun to watch to see which axle
was going to be the toughest.... on this torture test anyhow.... LOL
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Merrie~Merrie
Hey you used that metal tube to keep the front end down on the anti wheelie mods video
I think you are right, handy stuff to have laying around
Hope the MIP's do it for you, curious which truck have you got?
Great job, nice jig! I'm wondering how you could test shock with that jig? maybe some type of clutch you could engage? The slow introduction of force isn't how these things fail which I know you are aware so I think you should get a drill spinning something like a flywheel you can engage somehow? It would be very helpful and more destructive to watch of course! Thanks again, still an informative video!
i am thinking hold one end solid and the other in an impact gun and then just keep bumping the pressure up on it til she blows!!
neat'o Surprised that you have broken your A arms. Mine seem to be the only parts that do not break. I have broken several bulk head's and chassis though. The back wing is almost shredded into a million bits but I modded a revo wheelie bar to fit the e revo bulkhead. I am working on fabricating e-revo parts out of carbon fiber and hope to eventually sell them. First I am working on making them indestructible.
Thanks, haven't done anything with the YZ, might end up being a next winter project, too many distractions around here ha ha
can you do a high rpm test on same axles? I think the slow torque is not the same as bashing at high rpm.
Seems the ends of the plastic E Revo axles ends give me trouble, broke some A arms too and a bulk head, mostly driver error like smack into a tree or the sand box, ouch, man is this thing fast ha ha, I will do a summit axle conversion video, big up grade
I think it's the initial shock that breaks them. cause your putting alot of torque on them.
did you harden the steel on your jig ?if not then that explains how the MIP was able to damage your jig so easy
them MIP are awesome. where can i find the blue boots ?
Ya he's got some nice stuff, amazing Tig welding skills also
Kinda quiet in the busa rail department, lots of other things to get me distracted away from it right now
Destructive Testing
Love It
Nice, definitive testing method and good to know. Would you recommend the steel shafts over the summit Adele?
Thanks, which one do you have?
Neat-o, we have the same truck, have you had any other broken drive line parts?
three of them broke the actual tube of the shaft and the other one broke at the dog bone. after that i sold the slash because i couldnt find any shafts that wouldnt break
So in other words the MIP Drive shafts are better than the Traxxas if I got the information correct very well tested
Is it the cross pin that breaks?
Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Great. Don't mind paying more as long as I'm getting more.
MIP my next axles
Mip shafts are the way to go with any rc. They are a little price though.
Great idea. Excellent information. Thanks!
Robert Bosley Thanks for watching
you will be much loved from the fellas at traxxas forums
G1, you could make paint drying interesting. Thanks for another cool vid!