He's CALLING OUT Plarium and People Are Getting MAD
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- RAID Shadow Legends | Let's Talk About Nerfs & Balance
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Today in RAID Shadow Legends DROCK and I will discuss balance in the game. Including champions like Trunda, Armanz the Magnificent, Taras, Marichka, Galathir and more. Enjoy!
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Ash my man! Thank you so much for having me on your channel! Always good to chat Raid with you and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this video doesn't set a new dislikes record for you 😂
Totally agree about armanz!! The seer argument against nerfing Armaz is stupid not only because of how much has to go into seer teams like you said but because of that massive investment needed seer is used to speed up things people have already beaten over and over, where armanz makes it so that people never have to beat things the right way
There so many levels to this argument.if you're"pay to win"than non-spenders having a champion like Armanz is cheating.if you're "free to play"he is your gold ticket to play in the big leagues.i think the best action Plarium could take here,is the 🙈🙉🙊 policy
Buff armanz. I pulled a dupe and he got me to tag gold 1 yesterday for the first time after 3 years of playing f2p baby
No nerf talk next time plz
Why is galathir overpowered?
Could you imagine starting a raid account in 2024? You try arena and theres an unkillable monkey that one shots your team, a skeleton thar gives you 100% damage mitigation, and a pirate who can solo your team with no counterplay. Also, everyone has them except you...
And then to think that now, in 2024, you hope to come acros the skeleton the most...
Its not that simple. u can have the champs but if uve got bad gear its all useless
I battel constantly baby whales in LA, where they have meta champs but shit gear, I just slammed them to the ground with my ftp legos
Im playing since december, all i go is for solo arbiters or other 1man team. Very rarely i see a team i could go for. At least happy to stay in gold5 all the time i reached it
And the demon that places no kill on itself
@@kaylubSparagon?
Lmfao not “Ash rocking out to Kendrick Not Like Us!!!!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Isn't Ash Canadian too? Hahaha
@@adamtaylor3965 he might be now that I think about it! lmfao 🤣
Not sure if he's Canadian, but he claims Boston for now
lol I’m like damn drake can’t get a break 😂. Not it spilt over into raid
haha I was wondering if anyone else heard that in the intro
Armanz does have counters, I can't speak for the end game but can for the rest of the stages of the game. None of these counter-champs ensure victory and neither should they, if you and your opponent both have a good team it should come down to gear and gameplay. but these are counters and they do work with a good team around them, doesn't have to be better just equal to your opponent.
(Late game)
Leorius (Can't be stunned, so good damage choice with a good team around him)
Urost (If you have a team built around him he can be a sneaky pick and lock Armanz into provoke for enough time for your team to take control, he needs to not get sheeped though so high resist or your opponent not expecting him is needed, 9 piece protection I suspect would make this even better not sure)
Mithrala (Can't normally get touched by Armanz and then can cleanse your team)
Hegemon (Can kill Armanz before he takes a turn unless their Armanz is built in stone skin most aren't)
Viltrius (if he got a damage buff/other buff then he could be a counter not to Armanz but to the teams he often is part of, needs a buff so not sure)
(Mid game)
Brakus (I faced him I was controlling their team, they didn't have great champs or team build, I killed him, he came back takes an instant turn killed my Armanz and they get a shot at winning, I still pull it off though but he is the right affinity and ye maybe)
Hellmut (Can't have turn meter decreased, build in immunity and he can stun some of the enemy team back, a good option to have with Mithrala or Lorius, as he can give them their chance.
(Early game)
Hoskarul (Can't be stunned and does good damage and stuns
Gerhard (Can't be stunned so maybe an option)
When Armanz solod my whole team in classic arena without me even getting a turn I realized how busted he was. However I've been using a high accuracy Hegemon recently to counter him
Stoneskin ruins your strat 10/10 times
Stone skin high resist, plus ultra fast go first. Choose your strat based on what you can gear out.
For speed you need every piece at least 3 speed rolls and a few quad speed rolls. I suggest accuracy gear. Or go stoneskin with high resist (several on team)
@@Ni-qc6yqgo first, accuracy buff, Armanz laughs at your resist. It's way easier to get more accuracy than resistance.
@@davesamuels3619 thats a good thing. there should be counters to everything. the same way a high resist stone skin team would counter armanz.
@@davesamuels3619 I run ma'shalled, lady mikage and prince kymar with a trunda that stone skin gets stolen ALOT and if it doesn't they mostly don't get a turn.
I think it comes down to what the individual wants from the game. Playing for 2 years all F2P, I have viewed Raid simply as a champ collector but knowing that I would never get every champ. I knew there would be some content which I would never complete. And I'm find with that. This is not the type of game that you beat or 100% so I had to look at it in a different way. At the same time, I'm old enough (read: patient enough) to go through the F2P grind. There's no rush.
Playing Raid is just like collecting baseball cards when I was younger. I knew I would never get all the most coveted cards - perhaps even none, but that didn't detract from collecting. It made getting the occasional high value card even more exciting.
F2P is a "game mode" difficultly to myself. It's like playing Nightmare in Doom or European Extreme mode in Metal Gear Solid. If I spent a single dollar on this game, the experience would be completely ruined.
Promo Codes and existing Prime membership are like "cheat codes" for myself 😂
I was thinking that yesterday yugioh does it all the time powerful cards change the meta then something comes to counter and then a new meta repeat.
@@DMMDestroyer Or like playing XCom on Ironman. As soon as you reload a game, you've taken away what made it special.
that's what's up.. there no end to raid... if it was it probably would been dead by now... pvp is a no go.. pve is where its at . when ash and hh speak of "im pay to win and i still cant etc" NO CHANCE on pvp side.. G5 is great enough . plat yall can have that.. we need to enjoy the game not spend a fortune on it!!
@@krazyraids ye it seems like most videos have been towards pvp aspects rather than what most of the game is pve, I do worry and see that G5 is becoming a problem in pvp people moving down have mythicals and plus which means at some point the hall will be harder to farm.
Ash...give him a chance to answer without cutting him off constantly..lol
I think it comes from timing of soloing so much
Raid is experiencing the same issue many other games have before that try to combine PvE and PvP. It's almost impossible to balance for both at the same time. If there was no Arena or Hydra Clash, the impact of power creep and broken combos would not be as much an issue.
It often comes down to having a skill function one way in PvE and another in PvP to get balance more easily.
Edit: And I just got to the part where Drock said different abilities for PvE vs PvP.
One easy solution: make certain OP or straightup broken champions ONLY usable in PvE and exclude them from competitive play.
It could be implemented fairly easily by giving them a new unique tag that is then filtered out from certain content similar as how cursed city works.
As for the Clan Competition, they could change the scoring system. Something like, if you get over a certain damage, you get 1 point, 1 for Normal then +1 for each higher stage that reaches an assigned damage level for that stage.
A person finally gets a very good champion which is so hard to ever get and starts to progress greatly then the champion gets nerfed and suddenly no more progressing in dungeons or other content would call masses of quitting the game. I've seen videos of champions getting nerfed and now after no one is using that champion anymore. Money spent down the drain.
Sunk Cost Fallacy
They can't nerf him because they are already working on the fusion two or three fusions down the road which is the counter to him and where the engagement and income is. That champion will be OP then in five or six fusions time we'll have the counter to that champion. Gotcha!
That champs passive: places block debuffs on all allies at the start of this champions turn. This champion is immune to turn meter reduction effects and has a 75% chance of deflecting debuffs when under (insert buff here)
I’m 200% sure you are right but this community can’t see the obvious. The pattern is there. These CCs know it but they like the engagement for their platform. They can’t be the voice of reason because it hurts that revenue.
I'm f2p, I have armanz... it would hurt, but he needs a nerf... He's just stupid powerful. I pick him in Live so I can be guaranteed to get the team I want as he is 100% banned. I went from manually doing 10-20 stages of DT hard to climbing the whole thing. The rewards are great but it felt a little hollow. It's not like he is just good against waves either, he is great against fae, agrath, iragoth and any boss that isn't immune to TM. It's like playing with a cheat code.
Maaaaa🐑 ..ahem sorry ..
I do understand if they don't want to nerf armanz but at least bring a Champ/hero/shepherd 😉 that could counter him and be accessible like a fusion or guaranteed i hope wixwells can do something.. but still more great counters never hurts
Very valid points were made. The best bet would probably be to have Armanz function differently in PVP vs PVE. That would probably make the least amount of people mad. I just have an issue with nerfs in general for newer characters. Nerfing Trunda makes sense because she was working properly and there were no issues until a new scenario was added. It's hard to tell how older characters will fair in newer content. But with Armanz and I'm going to bring up the enfeeble debuff, it is poor testing and not listening on Plarium's part. They have a test server in which a few a couple of CCs sounded the alarm on Armanz but they didn't listen. Enfeeble made it through also even though the supposed flaw could have easily been seen there as well. If it makes it through internal testing (which I hope they have) and through test server (where things like this are supposed to be figured out) then it is working as intended and they need to admit it. I'm assuming they are fixing Galleus the OP chicken mythical as his icon is not even in the game anymore after it was shown how busted he was going to be. Nerfs do to unforeseen circumstances (i.e. Trunda and Madman or corpulent who had no issues before) are understandable and should occur. Nerfs due to poor testing or not listening to the player base telling you their is an obvious problem should not be touched.
For the hydra side of things, rather than nerfing/"fixing" the broken teams as people find them Plarium should just make a change the encounter itself. Cap an ability's damage to the max hp of living heads and then maybe something like 2x its max hp when its decapitated. This would address every existing team and any future teams that may come up. Champions would still have the ability to 1 shot kill a head so they would remain a very effective option without putting up ridiculous numbers and it wouldn't have any affect on a champion's usefulness in other areas of the game.
I understand the nerf in and of itself , HOWEVER,When the community finds a way around their content with a champ and then they nerf that champ... In those instances I call BS.
Amen bro i agree 100% With you )
Agreed, what they did to corpulent cadaver was criminal man.... rare champ, easy to get for everybody, easy to max, and only really helped with hydra.... why nerf him when nobody was complaining???
@@JustSomeDude079 You know why all the creators (This champ is broke videos!!)
@@sean6969ablenah it's not about the videos, it's about pushing people to spend. Ftp champs get nerfed, pay to win champs don't.
@@neekromancer not true they wish trunda to get nerfed on the hydra and the pirate and the pirate was for pay to win lol If you just go for op champs you can save your shards and resources to do fusions free to play lol
It used to be a fairly common practice that when a game like this nerfed something that a player had they would "refund" the player resources to get them something of an equivalent power, so in this game if they nerfed a legendary you'd get another random one and skill books and stuff. Would be a reasonable way to apply nerfs without hurting people that only have one good champion as much.
I haven’t spent any money. Six months in. My team is getting there
Here ash since you like to read... :P If I could make one wish in this game, it would be to have the ability to select a champion from a predetermined wishlist. By completing daily tasks and other activities, I would accumulate fragments over time. Eventually, after reaching a certain threshold, I could obtain the champion necessary to complete my account. The game heavily encourages spending money, employing numerous tactics to persuade players to do so. I firmly believe that the longer players remain engaged in the game, the greater the likelihood they will spend money within it. Therefore, implementing a system where players can acquire desired champions through dedicated gameplay, albeit at the cost of time and effort, would not only extend player engagement but also increase the likelihood of in-game purchases. This would circumvent the incessant and intrusive advertisement bombardment that currently plagues the game.
One of the biggest issues I have with nerfs in raid is that plarium don't adjust things frequently and often over react to problems - if we had 10-15 balance changes each month like clash royale then it would be less scary because they will buff if they have gone too far with the nerf. Also I feel there are so many pay to win champions to be nerfed before they touch a fusion. All that said I still feel buffing the 100 odd weak / crap champions in the game would be a better option. Rock paper scissors is a proven way to find balance
The thing is, nerfing a champ is always going to hurt whoever has that champ. That player spend time, energy and books maxing that champ out. Imagine you're that guy that spent the last year farming iron twins, spending 150 gems every single day, just to farm the scraps of essence. Then after a year, you finally purchase that 6-star soul. Next week the patchnotes say "Trunda nerf".
SO SO true id be mad as hell
How hard would it be for plarium to just refund the resources? Theyre just lazy about it
Fact is a lot of these trunda hit for 50 billion damage requires an absolutely absurd amount of resources and they typically can only land that one hit put them anywhere else in the game set up the same way they fall on there face a FTP probably doesn't have the resources to do that with someone anyway the character is broken that also has effect against palarium. I get this is a gotcha game but even if it wasn't any character that can do that does affect them if a player is buying a sacred shard every month to get a champ hi gets them and suddenly that one character is allowing them to farm all the sacred they could ever want that's a problem for them 1 person small problem they likely don't notice then 1000 people are doing it that's a bigger problem then 1 million players are doing it plarium goes broke shuts the game down and we all lose all our progress in the game
@BlakeariousGaming absolutely. They can snatch items/champs from an account within a few hours and drop a ban in the same time frame but sacrificing champs with gear and books refunds NOTHING. That's jacked up.
@laughingpanda4395 link some facts. When are they snagging champs and gear from people and how are they doing things that even give them a reason to do this?
This is an awesome video. In terms of a talk show, I'd love to see my 2 favorite creators, Ash and Hades, sitting down with Drock and Boozor. Make this happen.
In my humble opinion, I believe that any champion that starts out as a fusion or fragment summon should not be nerfed. A lot of people put time and resources into getting these champions due to the attractiveness of their kits. The alternative, which was mentioned towards the end of the video, is to buff existing champions to be a bit more competitive. Another option, which was not mentioned, is Plarium should do more extensive play testing before releasing these champions. By now, they have to realize that their player base has some great strategic minds. Isn't that why the test server exists? Perhaps give the fusions a month of test server access before releasing into the game. Give some normal players server access for that month, and compensate them with some sacred and primal shards (maybe 5 & 10?).
Keep making great content guys.
I have trunda but my runs usually end up doing about 100m after like an hour so its not like whoever picks her up is instantly doing billions of damage unless you have the right champs and insane gear
, i think maybe it would be better to adjust the reseters ect
Yeap, Yumeko reseting herself is the problem. Her 4 turn CD that as mentioned was supposed to be 4 turns basically being a 1 turn is the problem.
They need to make it so cooldown resets don’t reset other skills with cooldown resets
ANOTHER thing Plarium needs to do is make some alternative versions of the unobtainables (ie Ninja/Aleksandr).. I get that due to contract BS they can't re-release those champs, but that's not to say they couldn't make new champs that have the same stats/abilities/uses, but with different skins.
A few months back when i first saw a Drock video, i wasn't really a fan... i judged him as "just some arrogant guy". Over the past month or so, he quickly became one of my Top 3 Raid CCs. Glad to see Drock on the Ash channel. Keep em comin!
It is hilarious to me how people say that fusions are just a free champion, lol. Fusions take lots of play time, lots of resource management, etc. Although I do play a good bit, it would take more time, effort, etc. than I am willing to give to focus on fusions. I just accept that I won't get them at fusion time, although I have pulled Loriaca and Bambus from shards after their fusions, lol.
Speaking of Hydra Clash, I kind of like Hell Hades thought on it. He said there should be a point system, based on damage; i.e., 1-50+ billion gets 12 points, 999 million-500 million gets 10 points, so on and so forth. If they aren't going to adjust the Trunda issue, this could be a fair change.
Mithrala lifebane has become the only champion I run from with armonz
Ash, you're a great Content Creator and you're right about spenders essentially playing a different game from F2P.
If I spent a single dollar on this game, the structure would become completely different.
It has become a legitimate "game mode" to never consider paying for anything in the game and that challenge makes a "pay to win" game actually enjoyable.
Armamz is broken powerful. Part of the problem is they have let the power creep get too much and 2 or 3 champions rebalanced a month is not going to bring any balance back as soon as they have updated them all, they will have to start again. 10 champions with viable counter mechanics to different aspects might see some much needed chamges to the game
It has been like this since 2019. The gap between rich & poor players has just sky rocketed, but that is how the casino wins.
Excellent conversation gents; enjoy the shyt out of these kinds of vids. 🎉
Nerfing Armanz for the Arena specifically is fine in my opinion. I agree with Drock 100%.
Live arena as a midgame free to play player is boring and frustrating because of him. That and lockout champions.
I've commented on Drock's Armanz video is that the next login champion should be an Anti lockout champion.
It seems to me that the current fusion (Wixwell for those reading this in the future) is more or less designed specifically to be a counter to not only Armanz but crowd control champs in general.
Also if Armanz is such a problem in live Arena you have 2 counters built into the mechanics of that game mode
1) pick him so your opponent can't
2) ban him
Is he annoying? Sure
Is he the most annoying champ in the game? Not even close
Is he impossible to counter? Not even kinda
If we're gonna talk about ruining Live Arena w/o even mentioning high resistance UDK in Stoneskin I have to call into question the sincerity of this conversation. Are we really that worried about Armanz when Warlord is out there w/his AOE lockout for at least 3 turns (longer depending on the length of cooldown) that can't be removed or blocked since it's not a debuff and also ignores Stoneskin not to mention a 60% chance to fully deplete each target's TM (which basically translates to working on at least 2 or 3 of your 4 every time and quite often all 4)? Is that honestly what we're worried about here or is it just that he is new and controversial so will get more views. All the power creep with the dozens of new mythicals and we're really having a meltdown over a Leggo that anyone who wanted it bad enough could have obtained during the fusion.
Perhaps it's was an over sight but any convo about champs that undermine the mechanics of the game w/o a single mention of the absolute GOAT in this category and the complely transparent manufactured and somewhat ridiculous "Justice for DK" campaign surrounding his creation, just lacks credibility.
Between Stoneskin and Polymorph (which would be more aptly categorized as a curse instead of a blessing) the notion that Armanz is somehow wreaking havoc on the integrity of the arena is a bit hyperbolic to say the least. If my opponent has selected Siphi and Armanz I'm banning Siphi 10 x outta 10 and that's w/o Rotos even in the mix.
Im end game and unfortunately I have pulled over 200 primals with out a mythical pull, so saying mythicals equal balancing nerf isn't viable. Too many ppl like me have horrible luck with mythicals.
It’s great hearing both sides of the argument for and against nerfs. From a free to pay players point of view who admittedly doesn’t understand the mechanics and strategy of the game anywhere near as much as you guys do (that’s why I love the vids btw!!), I, and I’m sure many others who are free to play and play for fun, usually save for months for the chance to get game changing champions. With that being said, I think it’s often overlooked that free to pay players and pay to win/strategic wonder kids cross over as much as they do. I have armanz and he is an incredible champion that I use in area, doom tower and dungeons, he’s game changing for me. However, most of his utility comes from gear, empowerment, area boosts, blessings etc. as a result of all of that, I’ve used my best championships and gear, and still had my ass handed to me by a singular leo/arix/sun wokong/taras/candy man, simply because they have much better stats and gear from their game progression. PvP is can stomach loosing to because it’s a game and people have better skills, but when trying to beat general content (hydra for example) I still struggle and people like armanz help massively. Being a whale and loosing to other whales just because they have had more luck is exactly that, luck. It’s a bit harsh to have such a massive, some times controversial voice that effects the masses far more that it effects you guys. That’s just how I feel. Still love the vids though!!
I've just blown through Doom Tower hard for the first time now that I have Armanz. I was pushing slowly up before. I am loving the extra rewards so I am looking the other way on whether it's good for the game. I'm ftp playing for just over a year so am loving the extra 5* chickens and Sacred shards. Can't give hate to Drock though, and I'm not saying he's wrong.
I like Drock, not his nerf takes, but they aren't uninformed and he delivers them well. Takes all types.
One of the best things about F2P is finding a way to overcome the challenges.
I love doing the fusions, knowing I can do it without spending a penny. Can't do every one. But I can do it quite often.
For the most part, the game works. Unless a champ is really overpowered, or underpowered, I wouldn't wish to see them changed.
Ash as always thanks for great content! Also thanks to BPD ... you two work great together ... Armanz has helped me finally get to the final boss on doom tower hard even tho I'm struggling to beat the final boss ... but I understand and agree with him being overpowered ... I'm on the fence with Trunda ... I have Trunda but my gear sucks so I struggle building champs ... I haven't even used her in Hydra yet ... I don't disagree with any of the "balancing" that Drock is calling for and I agree with him that when things are balanced it makes things better for everyone
I dont dislike The feeling (or video) but my personal view is a no nerf. Especialy since he was a fusion for wich most players prepared, invested Time and, some of them , Money, mainly because they knew what they were getting (as in seeing The kit and knowing The skills). If he was just a shard champ... Maybe a nerf/ fix.. I dont know, its just my opinion.
And I would hard disagree because the game should be fun and BALANCED first and foremost. The player chooses to invest their time (or other resources) and they should in no way shape or form be entitled to get a broken OP PoS that effectively breaks the game and won't be fixed somewhere down the line.
Especially with digital goods that you dont HAVE TO pay for (again, choice).
@@skorpion7132 i agree with what you say but a fusion can be achieved by anyone Who prepares for it. The fusion was announced and we knew what he does. Now, talking from a F2p player perspective who saved up resources and used up his time to do this fusion knowing what he gets, wouldnt a nerf be unfair for him? If nerfs are to be done, in my opinion there should be all required nerfs be done. All at once or in a very short time span.
Do I strongly agree with drock these champs like armandz need a rebalance not a hard nerfs into the ground no one wants that for any legendary champ. Tundra needs a rebalance because of how it affects hydra clash for 1 person to be blowing everyone out of the water because of this not healthy for competitive balance.
Great to see you and Drock working together, my two favorites ! 💪
No need to nerf Armanz just find another way to block him
Drock: *giving in detail opinion*
Ash: *casually wrecking fools in arena*
Ya'll have such good energy together. I hope you guys continue to regularly collab
Ash & Big Poppa weekly show coming when?
Bro "we need to make this like a regular talk show" - Yes, you two are great to listen to while working, I'd tune in for a podcast lenght convo.
Stoneskin buffs should b nerfed
See and I think that part of Armanz's kit is perfect. It is a stoneskin counter, and this is how the "nerfs" should happen, through strategic counters. But they are saying it is part of what makes him over powered. I would keep that ability and add more champs that can counter stoneskin and counter sheep. That's the best way to balance the game, IMHO
@@alicelaybourne1620
I wish more people thought like this instead of crying for nerfs.
@@alicelaybourne1620
I wish more people thought like this instead of crying for nerfs.
Btw, a decent counter for armanz, just found, is riho. She reflects that initial stun right back at him. 🤷🏻♂️
on the nerfing part, i'm pretty sure they're just scared of getting sued. most gacha games don't nerf their champions due to this, as you said in the video, someone spends thousands of dollars to get his wanted champion and then it gets nerfed, there's always a chance he'll try to sue for false advertisement or whatever. and even if he doesn't win, it's extra stress and wasted resources from the sued company
So I got Galathir on the 2x primal and spent 150$ dollars for shards and when I got I felt like I just bet the game. I built him with pretty good stats for a mid game account with 270 speed and 500 resist and 100% crit lol but surprisingly used armanz a bit more depending on the situation.
And ever since I pulled them no team has ever had a chance. So yeah I think it’s fair for a rebalance even when I spend money for them that my opinion.
42:30 In my opinion dont nerf that he doesnt steal turnmeter in arena at all but make it that in arena he steals 25 percent so he needs to hit all in order to be the same but as soon as there is 1 high resistance or stoneskin he doesn't get instant turn back and there is opportunity for counterplay
I think the argument for Trunda is the same as corpulent as he was more of a vehicle for brogni. With out Brogni getting corpulent off the ground was not as easy. Cadavers nerf hurt Brogni's value. I think the better play than nerfing Armanz would be making some direct counter champs with buffs on old champs and new fusions. like a champ (or gear set) that starts a round with one intercept stack.
Props to Droc. I could never handle being on a video with Ash. Being cut off every time you try to speak would piss me off...
"Viewers: WE MUST OVER REACT IMMEDIATELY!" LMAO I lost it. Too fitting. Love the content man
Ash! Love the video! I agree with Drock...Balance in the game is more important than progression for new players...We all went through it...I understand that it is over whelming for newer players to catch up...
Sounds like resist needs a buff
Great video as always my man, I feel that this champ is really solid but I do agree that he is incredibly broken and big papa saying “good luck” going up against him was accurate lol. But having said that I don’t feel the game is ruined from him or anything just makes it a little more difficult for players who don’t spend as much or haven’t been crazy lucky with summoning.
Don't know if it's just me but I did the Armanz fusion and I have him. But he has not been game changing for me so I only use him on one of my Tag Team arena teams. In every other area of the game I already have champions that do those areas better than if I throw him in and maybe it's him throw off some speed tuning that I accidently stumbled into haha but yeah he does not do much for my account. So I do think in my opinion that just like any other champion in the game you need to gear him appropriately and he needs to have the right fit on the team you throw him into in order to work properly so you could argue that he has enabled some broken compositions to exist, but other champs have done that too and likely as you mentioned will always keep popping up when someone finds a use that was not intended.
4:04 I think nerfs for fusion champions suck a lot since the cost of getting the champion has been placed so high by Plarium, both resource and time wise and most of us pick what fusion to do and spend our limited resources on based on how strong they are. Getting champs like those nerfed into something no longer worth the price we payed feels bad. I think all non fusion champs however are fair game
40:35 I almost died laughing , I love this guy Drock lmao
Maybe add the hp dmg sourcing for Taras to one of his passives, so at least it could have a block passive off switch?
I will say this as far as the new brokenness. People demanded an answer to go 2nd tank revive stoneskin, and they got it. How you balance that? No idea
It was really nice to see you guys differ in opinions and making a lot of good points. I personally am of two minds. I either want them to include all these ridiculous things and have the game as a "if you are lucky enough to have this" then you can do this. or they need to do a lot more balancing of champs. either way I wouldn't complain. what I really don't like is that they nerf some stuff and not other stuff. why nerf madman and not trunda? that just seems silly to me
The upcoming Rooster on the test server doing _millions_ (58.8m+) against clan boss with _no_ gear is the best example of _broken_ in this game. (In theory it won't release like that, but it's a shiny example)
I agree. Armanz is a 100% nerf needed. Taras e maritchka i see that can be countered nowdays, but should get nerfed on the "couple" passives. But i'd also include the new couple narsis and his pair. It is simple to know when a champion is broken. Just run the platinum players. If you see a couple in 90% os the platinum teams, they must have something too much. Ans the problem is that breaks the variety and competition, once you have to have one of those to compete.
Live arena has been much harder for me since the release of Armon. I think for Tundra, Hydra Just needs a dmg mitigation from that move, There are a couple of new champs changing PVP it needs to be addressed. Also we should have more buffs for the original rares like apothecary and Frozen banshi, so we can play them again. Just a thought, however Raid is improving in Clans with the new chat invite.
Hey Ash you gotta put Kavalax with Tomblord. They're a 2 man wrecking crew. The amount of damage those 2 throw at the enemy is a thing of beauty.... I forgot you finally pulled one and saw him in the background and had tell ya to use them together, they are so damn good together. You'd swear they made them for each other. Tomb brings all the buffs kavalax needs and both spitting out 8 poisons......needless to say they can drop a health bar real quick lol my pvp team is them Teodor and Sulfuryion. Nobody expects what's about to happen 😂
Raids nerf priorities always baffle me. I have Androc, and the enfeeble nerf has pretty much taken him out of commission permanently for me. A MYTHIC champ stuck in the vault is insanity to me. There are other champs in or comps in the game that absolutely break areas of the game, yet they dont bother with them. Have definitely been resentful towards them ever since, but I doubt changes will be made to even at least rework Androc, because not enough people have him to make their voices heard, and the ones who don't will just be happy a champ they dont have is nerfed.
Hydra was a great PvE addition to the game and very challenging in the beginning.
The problem started when Hydra Clash turned that clan boss into a PvP part of the game and Paylarium decided to nerf champions that were accessbile to everybody and let p2w teams rule the world.
You guys are my favorite content creators cuz you have great energy
Taras and Marichka had counter champs already in the game before they came out.
For example: Tormin, Mithrala, Ramantu, etc.
Armanz, on the other hand really had no counter champs for him besides huge stat champs.
No one ever expected a champ like armanz
the only nerf Trunda needs is to NOT crit on 2nd hit
or make her like Monkey king were she needs to KILL a target
16:05 I think this is mostly just RAID showing its age. The problem with every single “games as a service” style infinite games is that they constantly have to top what they did last time. If Taras+Marichka are the same power level as Siphi+Rotos then what is to motivate all the S+R havens to go for them? Not much unfortunately. I think Doom Tower and Cursed City were the best additions to the game for this reason, it made champs that might have not been so good in the past relevant, however releasing new challenges every single patch is a lot more difficult then just releasing a new champion that does something better then the previous champ unfortunately.
0:39 congratulations ❤❤
I really enjoyed this video, I agree that specific champions who "break the game balance" should be updated. Armanz is an issue, so is the monkey, my issue with Hydra is really yumeko, tweak her reset ability and Hydra class would be more competitive, maybe.
No shot 😆
I knew you were special but you rockin the Kendrick intro made me appreciate you that much more. I thought my spotify was on for a sec lol
Tough one. On my f2p I feel like Armanz is all I've got for a lot of PvE content. I worry that any tweak would just set me back and instead of progress I will be further back. However I recognise that anything that is so dominant in any bit of content is bad for balance. The idea of champions having a PvP and PvE kit is pretty interesting though, might be something they should build from the offset if they ever make 'Raid 2'.
Ash you and the editor always nail it. The music on top of having Drock! Always a great vid
Drock gave me Bob Parr: "Math is Math!"-energy. I love it! 👏☺♥#PlariumMakeItMakeSense #EqualNerfs #EqualNerfs
I would love to see a live arena "pre-ban" phase where each player bans one champ and that player is off limits for both players.
You could even have more "bans" depending on level of arena. Summoners war has the pre-ban, and epic 7 has a pre-ban that changes based on the tier. So gold tier gets 2 pre-bans, silver gets 1 pre-ban, and bronze gets none (Bronze tier probably doesn't have the roster to recover if anyone on their main team gets banned).
Nerfing doesnt have to be from 100 down to 10 they said they want to nerf the champ ehat if there only neefing 100 down to 80 or 90 just to balance some back end multiplyer that is causing the 1000 to pop
I think instead of merging these champs they should buff other champs or make new counters to the champs like a sheep gear set would be interesting or a champ that immune to sheep completely
PVE and PVP should have seperate skill modes possibly. Maybe some skills just can't be used in pvp, but nerfs to champs in pve progression is stupid to me. The problem with nerfs in general is paylarium will have a 2 times right before the nerf. That's clearly a deceptive play and people are never going to like that. Especially when they have test servers and get all the feedback needed to make decisions before releasing a champion. But in the end they make the money nerf the champ then wait for the backlash to calm and rinse and repeat.
I disagree with his opinion that Trunda and Armaz should be nerfed. I believe that there should be those champions that are desired and wanted for their power as well as those that can put together a good team. Just because a champion is powerful does not mean that they should be punished.
So being able to solo your entire arena team is balanced and fun? Good logic
Nice way to shout "I am the problem".
They need to make a hard counter to Armanz. Whether that be a new champion, gear set or a new buff/debuff
Armanz is just ridiculous. You see him in live arena or any arena and you immediately know you will lose. I don't know any champion that instills fear like this guy. I've lost to this guy solo and I had 3 solid champs alive! You can't get a turn. If you're not stunned you're a sheep and you're no longer a sheep you're getting stunned. Literally.
Nerfing,🛠
Synergy
Just ban him? Literally all you have to do
He is absolutely ridiculous. I'm 2 years in f2p but my team is Scyl, Marichka*, Ronda and Genbo. Nasty team. Can usual take him down but today had a match go on for 35 minutes and have up. I wouldn't even want him tbh. What's the fun in it
@@tommeagher235 just ban him next time
30:20 I think they should just have Yumekos not be able to reset each other and then it would be fine I think
It's rough not being able to pay for rng advantage.
With Geomancer, they gave him as a guaranteed champ. Not a fusion, but pull this many shards and get him. That’s why I think they have a hard time nerfing because that is true deception
With the rng for getting the champs you want so bad already, they should add a lego wish list that would give an x times more chance of getting the champ you want.
what's Big Poppa's favorite time of the day?
Great conversation! Been playing 2 years now and don’t have any of those champs but get smoked by them on a regular basis and they for sure are overpowered.
Were you just speaking with Wreck it Ralph? Looks and voice 100%.
Outstanding video.
how old is "a little bit older?"I have noticed the same team on the same boss does not score as much since the time before, but maybe it's the affinity that changed?
Thanks Ash, I enjoy your attitude. Think of it this way, why do content creators and players do these things and figure out why a character is broke or is breaking the game why doesn't Plarium do it right the first time and only make characters only slightly anti-symmetrical or better balanced to begin with? Do they think we need the work??? Don't get me wrong I like playing the game FTP it makes it harder but i'm not sure about continually paying for a game after I should have bought it by now thinking comes up.
We need Ash and Drock weekly podcast
i want to build Inquisitor or Big'un for Nether Spider but I have no idea where to start can you do a video on how to build him
I’ve only managed 3 fusions, islin, white queen ankora and armanz and every one of them was so hard for me, armanz is the only one that has made it possible for me to compete with high spenders
I'm actually playing live arena more often now because of Armanz. I know that my opponent is going to ban him, so I know which 4 champions I'm bringing into battle.
I could hear you 2 talk and rank toilet paper lmao love both these guys keep it up ash