The "Ultimate" Hornets Team
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- In this series, I assemble what I believe is the greatest team possible for each franchise. In this specific video, we're looking at the Charlotte Hornets.
5 starters, 5 backups, and 3 rotations players. A total of 13 roster spots on each Ultimate Team. It's not just about talent, but it's about building a team that works and gels together.
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Quite frankly, I think this team would dominate the Ultimate Celtics and Lakers.....
NOTE: Btw, my stupid self forgot how the alphabet apparently, and this video was actually supposed to be the HEAT. lmao. My bad. Anyway, expect the Ultimate Miami Heat in the next couple of days.
Lmfao
Could this team even win a chip in a normal NBA? Lol
Would not dominate Celtics and Lakers but definitely Cavaliers
The poor hornets man 😂
@@Glide9441Exactly what I was wondering, I hope Johnny is being sarcastic
This team is looking good to get a top 3 pick in the draft
😅well played
@@TheProtagonistDieslol for sure. Kemba Walker starting at PG on an all time team is scary as hell..... He was barely a decent starting NBA PG to begin with...
Then you have eEmeka No Jumper Okafor at PF when he's a crap center of my their fast breaks are so bad
@@jsports2665Nah Kemba was an all star, he was definitely way better than a decent starting PG, Dennis Schroeder is a decent starting PG
@@LeviAntics all-star offense guard in an awful East season. He's always been a cone on Defense..... We all saw what happened to his career when he left Charlotte who allowed his 40% FG volume scoring and losses to make him look good turned into him not working out on a winning team because of his weaknesses. It's really hard to call him an all-star guard just like I have trouble calling D'Angelo Russell an all-star guard because of a half season of offensive empty stats
Man They getting first pick.
This team is like the expansion team of Ultimate Teams.
It would be a lot better if the OG Hornets counted (They should’ve)
@@hyabberhanethat makes no sense
@@bezllama3325How?
@@hyabberhaneif you meant the New Orleans Hornets, then it shouldn’t count because that team will count for the Pelicans video
@@resinct3267 No I meant the Charlotte Hornets from 88-02
Sometimes you use adjectives like "incredible" or "amazing" to describe players, but for this video you stuck to "respectable" and "capable" which to me says a lot
Also, in the title of the video, “ultimate” is in quotations
@@chrilpy That's mean, lol!
That says that this might be one of the worst teams.
"This team sucks"
Except if it was Orlando Dwight, this team would be insane. Like, they could go toe to toe with prime Bulls.
Jonny, I appreciate your clarification but honestly you should’ve pick Hornets players who actually played in Charlotte. The current Hornets team actually got the old 88 to 02 Hornets history.
Who would you pick from then?
@@fortynights1513i would pick Alonzo Morning, Glen Rice, Larry Johnson and probably Antony Mason
@@fortynights1513 Glen Rice, Alonzo Mourning, Larry Johnson, Mugsy Bogues, Baron Davis, Kemba Walker, Gerald Wallace, Del Curry, LaMelo Ball, Miles Bridges, Stephen Jackson, Tyson Chandler, and Anthony Mason
@@cadecrusaderNow for me this players are the Hornets.
Yep. He really messed that up. Far as NBA history is concerned the pelicans were an expansion team that started in 2002. The expansion bobcats assumed the 88 hornets established date.
I feel like you should have done by the city Charlotte vs new Orleans but that's just my opinion.
That's how 2k does it anyway.
That's what I thought it was too anyway cause the old plus new Hornets and Bobcats all together
It’s how the league does it.
The current hornets gained the rights to the history of the franchise from 1988-2002.
Players from that era should’ve been in consideration imo.
I was just about to say the same thing. The Pelicans 'gave' the history rights to the new Hornets so even though this Hornets organization is not the same it still 'owns' the history of the former Hornets organization. That should have been taken into account in this video.
I thought everyone knew this..
I came here to say this after the intro.
Charlotte Hornets - 1988 to 2002 Hornets History
New Orleans Pelicans - 2002 - 2013 Hornets History
Charlotte Hornets - 2004 - 2014 Bobcats History
New Orleans Pelicans - 2013 - present day New Orleans Pelicans History
Charlotte Hornets - 2014 - present day Charlotte Hornets History.
Yeah I'm like " where is Mourning, Divac, Larry Johnson, Mugsy, Rice
Honestly, I think that Ball should start at either the one or the two. Because the other all time teams are so strong, the Hornets need a point of difference to compete. With 2 bigs and Gerald Wallace, a great rebounder at the 3, they should lean into dominating the glass, and LaMelo is a great rebounder.
Yeah I’m not a fan of the Walker Rozier combo, I feel like Lamelo at the 2 would fit better
Also LaMelo would add good playmaking to the starters
Yeah crash/ Gerald Wallace is going to have his hands full trying to go most of the heavy lifting on the defensive end
@@t-god2439yea I'd definitely put Ball starting plus the other teams are pretty big,
An Ultimate Team playoff bracket would be an awesome conclusion for this series.
Omg yes!
99% chance it’s just Lakers vs Celtics
@@deepwaterrehab7685Bucks, Spurs, and Heat could maybe upset.
Actually, when the Bobcats rebranded to the Hornets, they acquired the history and records of the 1988-2002 Charlotte Hornets. So this list should include Alonzo Mourning and Larry Johnson. The Pelicans list should only include players from 2002 to present day
I lowkey want to ask him in doing a revamp of this vid with that info in mind in the future once he's done with the series
Facts!
Is this true? I feel like that's a big fact for someone like Jonny to miss
@@MrE_ He didn’t miss it. He intentionally omitted the original Hornets franchise from this video he explained why he did it but i respectfully disagree with him. Lol
This concept doesn’t make sense to me as the original charlotte players should be included in this video. I understand that there is a lot of convoluted history where charlotte basketball is concerned because it intertwines with the Bobcats and pelicans but to simplify it just use charlotte as a city and whoever played there and make an entirely different video for the New Orleans franchise
You gave a great explanation of the "Hornets" history and cleared up a lasting confusion for me! Thanks!
It’s wrong tho
yeah Jonny disappointed@@hyabberhane
It's easy to seperate the Hornets and the Pelicans, all the teams (°2002-...) in New Orleans are part of the history of the Pelicans and all the teams in Charlotte (°1988-2002; 2004-...) are part of the Hornets
Yea because this team is horrible compared to the rest
As a Hornets fan, I appreciate your explanation of the team’s history, although it is incorrect. When the Bobcats rebranded back to the Hornets, they reclaimed all of their records from the original Hornets days. The current Hornets hold the history of the original ones, and the Bobcats. While the Pelicans have the history of the NO/OKC Hornets and their current team.
According to the NBA themselves and all of their media. The Hornets are deemed as playing from 1988-2002, then suspending operations until 2004. The Pelicans are treated as an expansion team that began play in 2002 (as the New Orleans Hornets)
So technically what I’m trying to say is that guys like Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning SHOULD be on this team and not the Pelicans
It’s gonna hurt to see Zo LJ and probably Dell playing for the Pelicans team.
Exactly!! 💯
Yeah that’s gonna be extremely painful
That's what I thought cause it shows online
Larry Johnson and Zo is all you need for the GOAT hornet team
Just do the 1993 team
@wizard1687 Honestly that team right could be the actual starting 5 for a Hornets team if they included the 88-02 histories
P.S. Putting up honorable mentions at the end of this video speaks volumes about your commitment to your craft...
Oof... this team would be painful to watch against most of the teams that have a lot more history on their side.
Yeah the Pelicans are considered the newer team as they gave the Charlotte history back to the team to carry on that legacy.
Exactly
Absolutely loving this series, each day you upload one of these becomes a good day.
As a basketball fan who grew up in Charlotte, I was really looking forward to seeing your all-time Hornets(/Bobcats) team. I'm so bummed it doesn't include beloved players from the original Hornets! Nice work, regardless.
Well 90s hornets in Charlotte wasn't even considered for some reason
*That doesn’t make any sense. The charlotte teams from back then with Alonzo and Larry Johnson would be on this team not the pelicans, the pels are already good enough without them anyway*
I understand that you are choosing to go by the linear history, however, just in case you were not aware, the franchise, formerly known as the Charlotte bobcats, actually legally purchased the history of the Charlotte Hornets. Meaning that any time the franchise was in Charlotte. It is legally the history of the current day, Charlotte Hornets anytime they were under the New Orleans banner they are legally the history of the New Orleans pelicans. You can choose to do it this way if you want just know that you were going by Leninger history and not legal history.
This is gunna be rough 😂
Best team in this series 💯
Byfar. 98-0 record
Michael Kidd Gilchrist being an honourable mention sums up this video pretty well actually
I like the explanation of the 2 separate franchises. I would switch the positions of Uncle Jack and J-Rich in the 2nd unit, though.
I went back to see if you put Ultimate in quotes for the other teams...nope LMAO
Now this is a team I’ve been looking forward to the most that wasn’t mine.
Classic series back! Been waiting on this.
Just to correct you on why the Hornets left Charlotte. The old coliseum was large, Charlotte lead the league in attendance or was near the top for many years. The problem was that it didn’t contain very many luxury boxes, which is where the big bucks are made. Add to that the fact that the owner allegedly had an affair on top of wanting the city to build him a new coliseum. This led to a lot of hate for George Shinn. So much so that the fans were fine with letting the team go. Plus they got a deal with the NBA to get a new franchise. Yes, attendance was bad the final season, but that was because of the items I mentioned. If it was just based on attendance, the current Charlotte team would have been gone years ago.
Jonny I love the videos, but the Hornets from 88-02 is the same as the current Charlotte Hornets. When the Hornets took back their name, the Pelicans gave them back their history. Just like if the Seattle Sonics return, they’d take back their history and the Thunder history would begin in 2008. Either way we’d have one of the lower ranked All Time teams but the OG Hornets not counting def undersells the team, with the OG Hornets counting they’d be on the same tier as Memphis NO and Minnesota
Lol yeah, this team would definitely struggle. They have some good players, like Richardson and Okafor (and I wish the Kings had drafted Walker over Fredette and could've kept Wallace) and some decent ones like Diaw. But, I don't see a silver lining either, especially since there are no superstars.
I appreciate the info about the team's history also as that had confused me a bit over the years.
Good video. Hope you have a nice week :).
Bro, as a post player, I love Al Jefferson. His post moves were filthy!
I’ve heard he could post pretty well but not do a ton else, and I’ve seen Al Jefferson described as a type of player that we don’t see much of nowadays.
Not knocking his selection, but I have heard that about Jefferson.
This team wouldn’t even beat the current Timberwolves in a 7 game series 😭
This team would be a first rd exit in today's NBA.
God imagine this roster lining up against the prime bucks or lakers or a team like that makes me sick
Getting stomped
I don’t understand not including Larry Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, Glen Rice, Eddie Jones, or Mugsy Bogues into this team if they all played on The Charlotte Hornets. I get the organization moved on to New Orleans but I would consider that it’s own franchise there and continuing with the Pelicans. Like Chris Paul would be the best Pelicans PG in their history because he was playing in New Orleans. All of those guys I mentioned should be included because they played in Charlotte. Just include everyone that played in Charlotte with both Hornets and Bobcats.
Then they should've never changed their name and relocate.😂😂😂
Because they’re literally 2 different franchises, who at some points were coexisting at the same time. The existence of the New Orleans Hornets overlapped with the existence of the Charlotte Bobcats. If you include everything, then it an unfair advantage because it’s really 2 different franchises worth of talent…. To be honest, this team could use that edge, lol, but still, in principle, it wouldn’t make sense
@@jonnyarnettIt doesn't make sense what you did. The Pelicans became the Pels cuz the Hornets bought the rights to the name AND franchise records.
It makes perfect sense. The original Hornets team is now called Pelicans. This is a different team, Hornets in name only. If they go to Vancouver and change the name to Grizzlies would you say it's the same team as the original Vancouver Grizzlies?@@MRWEDAWEST
@@Jutrzen It doesn’t make sense at all
So long story short I just woke up and chose violence inside my head as I somehow came up with this matchup of chaos of epic proportions. Imagine this :
At Center we have O'Neal, Ben Wallace at PF, Ron Artest at SF, Gilbert Arenas at SG and The Answer at PG.
Somewhere in an alternate universe, they would be faced against 1989-90s Pistons in an NBA Final series.
Can you imagine the raw chaos and entertainment this matchup would bring? 😂
U should add the best coach of the franchise as well.
As a North Carolinian and Laker fan I am saddened by charlotte losing some of it’s best players to New Orleans but alas vid 👍
The 'Lolcats' almost killed me 😂
60 year old Michael Jordan starts for this team
Off the bench I could see 60 year old Jordan scoring 12 pints 4 rebounds 5 assists 1 Block and 1 steal on 48% shooting 38% from 3 and 84% from the three throw line
Not sure the ultimate Hornets team could even get a high seeding in the NBA today…
This is about to be the best one! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
The original Hornets were a really cool team, it was sad when they relocated.
This team would be the 4 seed in the east in 2023.
Even though this iteration of the franchise has only been around for two decades, I still see that as an indictment on the front office in Charlotte.
Being drafted by the Horyor playing at least 4 years should be a requirement for the 'ultimate hornets' team 🤧
Excited for another video
I'm late to say this, but I think there is a way to improve it by going 3 wings. Batum used to be like a god tier role player. Boris Diaw is also an excellent supporting player who can provide good playmaking. He should be in the main rotation. I'd take them and another wing, maybe still Gerald Wallace, and go 3 wings in the starting lineup instead of an undersized backcourt and poor spacing twin towers. Then you'd go Walker and whatever big is most needed, probably Okafor. Repeat the same on the bench with LaMelo at PG, 3 more wings, and Jefferson I guess.
This team is a 2nd round exit against Modern NBA teams tbh.
Man, I was thinking the same thing when I was watching this video. I'm born and raised in Charlotte, North Carolina and I don't acknowledge this team as the hornets. The real hornets left a long time ago.😂😂😂
I think it would be better if there's no duplicate players in every team. Only one team for one player.
Kemba
Rozier
Gerald Wallace
Bridges
Emeka
LaMelo
Stephen Jackson
MKG
Diaw
Biyombo
Felton
DJ Augustin
Henderson
REMOVE:
Jefferson (T-Wolves)
J-Rich (Warriors)
Dwight (Magic)
Hayward (Jazz)
The Hornets officially got the full Charlotte Hornets history when they switched names though, Pelicans start with New Orleans Hornets. The NFL did the same thing with the Cleveland Browns and the Ravens
And you can't say it wasn't stupid.
@@JutrzenThe old charlotte hornets being separated from the new charlotte hornets would’ve been stupid
Very true, though I understand why he did it the way he did, I would’ve preferred if he used the nbas defined history of these franchises
@@chieflancewaiters Since these are two different teams, there's no reason not to separate them.
This team in today's league would probably go over .500... Maybe...
Even the Hornets Ultimate team is an expansion team 😭
The Glen Rice and Eddie Jones disrespect is crazy lowkey
In this video and the heat one
One notable exclusion from this team.
Imagine if this team (somehow) made the playoffs and (somehow) forced a game seven with a one-seed team. Imagine witnessing DeSagana Diop have to make two clutch free throws to save these Hornets? I think MJ would pee his pants at that sight.
It is confusing but I respect your decision. There are a quite a few good players that moved through this organization. It’s nice to remember them.
Crash and Captain Jack were dogs and definitely helped this team
A lot of use of adjectives like solid and reliable. Not a single player here would be able to make an all time Lakers or Celtics team.
can you do a jamal crawford video like your video you recently made about ray allen!
The only all-time team I doubt would make the playoffs if they played in a regular season...
If scary Terry is your old time starting SG, something, somewhere, probably went wrong
If we were to consider players' actual primes and not best performances with the team in focus, Dwight and Kemba, with an injury-free LaMelo and Rosier would easily be title contenders.
All it takes is Orolando Dwight. Crazy how much impact one player and the difference in his primes can have on a team with good pieces.
The 88-02 Hornets should be included here. The NBA, the Hornets, and the Pelicans agree on this. Second problem is including Miles Bridges in this video at all.
this is what happens when you fail at every draft pick you get this
Good players but man the depth here compared to other franchises is obvious (especially if you don’t include the 90s Hornets)
OH. This is unexpected. Now, previously, I said the Grizzlies would be the worst team of this series. However, because Jonny separated histories of Charlotte and New Orleans...I'm sorry, Charlotte, you are going to be bad here. Like REALLY BAD. When Terry Rozier is a starter for an all-time roster, it's over. On one hand, this is why I have a problem with separating histories between franchises, because it makes it unfair for the younger organization that didn't have as much time to bring in and develop talent (for example, despite the fact that the Ravens never existed when he played, I consider Johnny Unitas a Raven because of the city they're in that cherishes their legend when he played for the Baltimore Colts before they moved to Indianapolis. Same thing with Warren Moon and Earl Campbell for the Oilers/Titans to the Texans.)
On the other hand though, I suggest to Jonny to not change anything with what he's doing. This video will give NBA fans a perspective on what happens if you ignore the sentimental values of where a sports legend made his legacy and focus more on the franchise that played with. Then, they can form their opinion on what they want to do.
But hey, those are just my thoughts. Reply to me if you would separate histories between franchises that have a similar name and city or not. See you for the Jazz. (Edit: Heat, sorry.)
To me personally I think it matters more what the franchise claims.
For example:
The Thunder don’t claim the history of the SuperSonics and have expressed the stance that an expansion team in Seattle would have complete access to that history.
On the other hand, just because the Hawks spent some time in Milwaukee before the Bucks joins doesn’t mean I believe the Bucks have any claim to those years.
Another situation would be the New Orleans Jazz. The Jazz very much claim Pistol Pete as their own player, I wouldn’t agree with putting the Pistol on the Pelicans just because his franchise was originally in NOLA.
For a more extreme example, how about the Denver Nuggets and the Denver Nuggets. The original Nuggets were one of the teams that survived the BAA/NBL merger that started the NBA in 1950. The lasted a single season before folding. The current Nuggets, were the Denver Rockets before the ABA/NBA merger, and were forced to rename their team due to a Rockets franchise already being established. The renamed themselves to the Nuggets to honour the previous team, but have never made any claim on that history. Beyond the city and the homage paid in the name, these two franchises have literally nothing to do with each other, I don’t see a reason to force that history on a team that doesn’t want it.
For this situation I would disagree with Arnett. From what I understand the Hornets do claim the previous Charlotte Hornets, and the Pelicans start counting their history after the relocation to New Orleans.
Though it definitely is messy, I’ll give him that. As long as it’s a consistent ruling, I’ll be content.
If the OG Hornets and the best of the current iteration were combined, could that team beat the Ultimate Grizzlies team?
@@fortynights1513 Ofc. Easily.
No Johnny! When the NBA allow the Charlotte Bobcats to became Charlotte Hornets. They also acquire the history of the original Charlotte Hornets.
This should be for the current franchise
Charlotte Hornets
1989-2002
Charlotte Bobcats
2004-2014
Charlotte Hornets
2014-Present
While New Orleans Pelicans is this
New Orleans/Oklahoma Hornets
2002 - 2013
New Orleans Pelicans
2013 - Present
It would be interesting to see how well they would do if they played today. I think they could clinch the 3 seed in the east. They only "suck" if we're comparing them to the other all-time great teams. But I think they'd be capable of winning a ring if they were together today in the NBA
Nah there’s a reason Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning are considered Hornets legends and why they’re both on the all time Hornets in 2K instead of the all time Pelicans
Should just do a video of the 1993 team.
"Real" Hornets Ultimate Team (88-02 Hornets+04-14 Bobcats+14-23 Hornets):
PG: Kemba Walker
SG: Lamelo Ball
SF: Glen Rice
PF: Larry Johnson
C: Alonzo Mourning
Bench:
PG: Baron Davis
SG: Jason Richardson
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Emeka Okafor
C: Al Jefferson
WildCards:
Terry Rozier
Jamal Mashburn
Miles Bridges
The hornets gained the history of the 88-02 team
Yessssss
That was a gigantic undersell of Boris Diaw. Dude is a savant.
So this would be the "Ultimate" Jordan Team, a chance for everyone to be reminded of decent to solid players who also played in the NBA. I doubt this tram would even make the lottery, considering the competition and I wager they would have a tough time going agains the "Ultimate" New Orleans Pelicans/ex-Hornets and formerly of Chalotte.
Love my Hornets but yeah, they going 0-82 😅😭
Ha, "Ultimate." Even the Grizzlies avoided that jab.
If any team had to be the worst out of this series, it would most likely be this one 😂
I always thought these current Hornets were associated with the Hornets from 1988-2002
I think you screwed this one up. It should have included any players that played for the New Orleans Pelicans back when they were still the charlotte hornets, and then also include any players from the Charlotte Bobcats or rebranded charlottes hornets. The pelicans video would then include anyone who played for the team while it has been in New Orleans. I think that would be way better and more fair to everyone involved.
Idk about Terry and Kemba, tbh, I don't watch enough to comment on their defense,
But even if I did, I wouldn't take a front court of CP3 and Rondo, or even Gary Payton and Sidney Moncrief (yes I looked up short defender, but I know who Moncrief is)
The Charlotte Hornets Have The history of The Original Charlotte Hornets from 1988-2002 and The Charlotte Bobcats History from 2004-2014. While The New Orleans Pelicans still have The New Orleans Hornets history from 2002-2005/2007-2013.And their brief time in Oklahoma City as The New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets from 2005-2007.
You should have joined both teams together and done 29 videos. It's not like either team has a great history. Both are, semi recent, expansion teams.
This team would "probably" win the championship in the regular nba
10:38 “Mason Plumlee” Kill me
I get that it technically wasn't the same franchise, but i think you should have included larry johnson and alonzo mourning just because of how bad this team is already
my fav team
dont watch much anymore tho cause kemba gone
2nd unit seems more fun but these hornets are getting that all time ass kicked so far in the series ...
I think Jason Richardson is more of a guard and Stephen Jackson normally plays the 3 spot.
Are you ok? Blink twice if someone has taken your page hostage. Your takes have always been pretty spot on but lately…. Lately I don’t know. My all time Hornets team will absolutely dust your all time hornets team. I’m taking:
1. Mugsy Bogues, Your guards will be asking to be subbed out when they can’t get the ball over the timeline.
2. Eddie Jones aka the guy that became redundant for the Lakers when Kobe became a man.
3. Glen Rice He just hit two threes while I was typing his name.
4. Larry Johnson aka Grandmama. Did you forget he played in Charlotte because you left him off the list entirely.
5. Alonzo Mourning, Did you forget that he played for Charlotte because you left him off your list entirely.
Bench
Dell Curry aka Steph’s daddy
Vlade Divac
That’s it. I win.
Charlotte should do everyone a favor and bring the old hornets logo back
you should have just merged the pelicans and the hornets together. that way they will have a chance. in that scenario, the C and PF position will be super stacked. 😂
The current version of the Hornets got the history of the original team from the Pelicans as they didn't want it. They treat the Pelicans as a new franchise.
And you can't say it's not stupid.
Did you mention Gerald Wallace?
Let me tell you one thing when you have a team with players like shaq, Kobe, mj, magic etcetera no matter the rotation the team develops its offense and defense by running through those specific players… you disrupt or lose one or two of those players it can disrupt the flow of your whole game plan no matter the rotation… this team not having stand out players but having all solid players who do there job each just well enough and are replacable harder to disrupt that game plan
Should pick players played on Charlotte
Kemba Walker
Dell Curry
Glen Rice
Larry Johnson
Alonzo Mourning
LaMelo Ball
Baron Davis
Gerald Wallace
Al Jefferson
Emeka Okafor
Kendall Gil
Stephen Jackson
Raymond Felton
Bobcats/Hornets roster: 13 empty spots 😆
Still can't believe that Jason Richardson never became a all-star?
Yes, Jonny overall the team needs help.