Watched it. Spotted a few mistakes, like how actually the knowledge to make power armour was never lost, it just devolved in most places to where only Mk I-style could be made. All the Techno-Barbarian Warriors were augmented, even those fighting against the Emperor. Thunder Armour was only designated as Mk I when Mk II was made. These mistakes and others, led to a few contradictions in there. P.S. Thanks for using one of my pics, but I do have loads more on armour if you ever decide to re-do this.
I just have to say, thank you for this channel. as i am a child of this generation, everyone is into CoD but, i found some warhammer things and got intrigued and wanted to find out the lore but didn't know where to start. then i found this channel. Thank You
A thing you forgot to mention about the Aquila armour; the armour only got its name after the Horus Heresy after the Emperor decreed that all loyalist legions were to bear his aquila.
It's funny in this galaxy-spanning empire only comes up with technology ever 200 years or so... No wonder the Tau are a dangerously underestimated threat. They develop technology at an extremely rapid rate, compared to the Empire of Man.
The original tau homeworld was covered by a warpstorm. The imperium first discovered it with tribes. after the wwarpstorm those tribes became the powerful tau empire
douglas preston So the influence behind the Tau's technological advance was the Warp/Chaos? How did that work? They don't seem to be effected by the warp in the way Cultists or Chaos Space Marines are. I thought the Tau have a weak psychic presence and would therefore be less desirable to warp-entities. I forgot specifically how the Tau advanced so quickly, but I thought the arrival of the Ethereals helped unify the tribes. Then that unification led to their society advancing.
In my opinion I think the Mark 8 power Armour is best suited for Devastator squads as it provides more protection but also can be quite useful for tactical squads.
I'm told that the shoulders are adjustable via the black carapace. This is meant to explain how they can see past their own mega-sized paldrins. It simply lowers itself. Just wanted to add that.
Storm bolters have the same firepower as 2 bolters. Essentially a storm bolter is a double barreled bolter. And the thing about Genestealers is, they are nasty in close combat. Their rending claws will wreak some vehicles as well as power armor. And terminators aren't always the ones that go into space hulks. Sometimes full space marine squads will have to go in and deal with the threats if terminators are unavailable.
It is worth to note that Alpharius (or Omegon... or both) is still alive so primarch armor does exsist. But if you mean armor from one of the dead/lost primarchs it's a good question, However if there is, I doubt that any space marine is actually big enough to use it.
i love space marines i have played all the games and i never seen another firm that stick on one race like warhammer they must love the space marines like me
ino you mentioned different styles of terminator armour but could you go into more detail about cataphractii and tartaros patern armour and centurion armour
I think it's really telling of the depth of the 40K universe when someone can make a 33 minute video on just the armor worn by one faction. Granted, it is the most-written-about faction, but still.
Question. Why do the traitor legion (Chaos space marine) models mostly have heavily modified MK7 armour? Is there a lore explanation for this, or is it an oversight from the guys at Games workshop?
It has become less common now the designs for the older armour types are so well know, but the lore theory is that, although Mk.IV and V were common with the chaos legions during the HH, they have had to loot newer armour as their old equipment wore out over the last 10,000 years, so they either took the MK.VII plate from SM supplies or looted them directly from the corpses of their dead foes, and modified them accordingly to show their allegiance and defile the armour's machine spirit. Out of lore, it is easy to take an existing SM mold and modify it for a CSM rather then having to create a completely new mold for a new model, although that is changing now forge world has been putting out Heresy era models, allowing for more heresy armour types to field in people's armies. I hope that answered your question.
Another thing to note with Chaos forces wearing MK7, lots of chaos forces have turned to the Dark Gods after the Horus Heresy, so they were already using MK7 when they converted!
Do tech priests have their own armor? Or does their bionic skin count enough to be armor. I wouldn't think they'd engage in combat much but then again you do see some pictures of them in battle with advanced weaponry.
Great work you are doing here! I would like to offer some feedback though :) The difference in sound levels are a bit annoying, the sound levels vary through out the video and I have to turn the sound up to hear you properly but then everything besides the talk, like the music for the intro and outro (and other sounds on my computer), become very loud. Also, for doing re-takes it is often easiest just to note the time on a piece of paper so it is easier to find and fix when editing :)
They're the oldest standing members of the Chapter and have experience battling Tyranids, their armor is the thickest, they're the most accurate and have the heaviest weapon power. I'd say that sending in regular space marines is a likelier chance of failure, over sending in experienced veterans who have likely fought Tyranids before, perhaps even repeatedly, have better guns and stronger armor.
I was just wondering where Artificer armour fits in, what mk is it/is it one of the ones between mk8 and runic mk12. Also, the grey knights terminator armour, is it a modified version of one of the others, or unique unto its own? Thank you for doing this series, i am relatively new to the 40k universe, I play grey knights and love the game.
I thought the Adeptus Mechanicus don't like to innovate and mostly just use old plans, but here they are innovating Power armor. Is the power armor an independent invention for it to be innovated or the "No innovation" is only for weapons before the Dark Age and anything after that is allowed to be innovated or re-designed?
Warmach1ne 32 While creating new technologies and deviating extremely from current designs is frowned upon, creating new versions of existing equipment based upon necessity is quite common. The Mk VIII armour (which took ~8000 years to create) is simply the Mk VII armour with a few extra armour plates (a gorget and two leg protectors) strapped on. Innovation and experimentation wasn't banned before the Horus Heresy as it is in current 40k, but the situation was similar. According to the HH book Mechanicum by Graham McNiell, the limitations in creating new technology was more a fear of those who understood not only how something worked, but also why it works.
Hello there..i've got a good qustion.. The terminator armor it's supposed to be an armor that goes on top of the power armor? I mean..it's like a second armor that goes on top of the power armor?Or you can jsut fit it on top of an Astartes? In the space-hulk book.,,if i remember they were some short explanations about the Termiantor armor.. and i remember that against the Genestealers many terminator had the legs and arms hidraulic tubes damaged and they were unable to move..even if they were unharmed. And in the Horus-Heresy (false gods) i remember Torgaddon making fun of First Captain Abbadon that he was to big to fit in a terminator Armor. So my question it's. The Terminator armor it's like some Exoscheleton armor that goes on top of something.. Or just a more big Power Armor? I know that a Normal space marine can move it's power armor even if had sufferd intense damage.even without the fibre bundles muscles.Just with his brute force
P.S I know that many captains were much larger than a normal astartes. But i don't think that any Captain without his Power armor can be as big as a Terminator.So that's why i thought that maybe the Terminator armor goes on top of the Power-Armor. But ofc i may be wrong Feel free to ilumiante me. Sorry for my grammar
+Valentin Mitiu No, terminator Armour is separate to power Armour and worn separately. It is much heavier then power armour, and so is very difficult to move when damaged, plus they are a one size fits all sort of armour, where as power armour is easier to adjust if the Marine is larger or smaller then average.
Does any body here who has made a fan made chapter know of the Imperial Armour-y Space Marine image? where can i find it? all the fourms i have been on seem to be dead
Can you please try to redo this one? I know, I know it's been a very long while since you've posted it but the sound makes it horrible and I really want to hear an updated version if you may :3. Thanks anyway!
I know you indirectly answered this question very clearly i still think its noteworthy to answer it directly and that is do space marines always wear their Armour? like a cyborg because i don't no about you but that's what i thought as a kid.
+karan pkatarki i would say its for honor purposes it shows that this person shows no fear and it inspire other Space marine to fight along side with him i guess
Sorry Baron but they were not. They had (or rather will ) suffered a special genetic failure which can't occur at "nowadays's" Space Marines -except Chaos Renegades- they had gone to mad sooner or later because of the extreme performances of their built-in enhancements.
Ogre Laca Oh but they were, again in some respects. Check the lexicanum. wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thunder_Warriors "Even the few that survived the end of the Unification Wars were more than a match for an Astartes in single combat. They were made highly resistant to psychic attack, perhaps because of the sorcery they would regularly face during the Age of Strife. They had tremendous upper body strength that, when coupled with their early model of power armor, made them virtually unbeatable in close combat." Modern Astartes are better designed for the Great Crusade that the Emperor had in mind, being more mentally stable and living much longer and having a much more refined creation process, but the Thunder Warriors shouldn't be forgotten. The Emperor might have even allowed these defects because he didn't want the violent psychotics that had grown up on pre-unified Terra leading his armies.
BaronPraxis8492 Thanks, I've read it. But these are just word of an editor. They are not fans nor warriors nor intelligent men. (some of the house writers like Dan Abnett has no ability to question a British veteran about war..) Read this (WH40k WIKI): "Despite their many early victories in the Unification Wars, the Thunder Warriors were far from perfect. Some were mentally unstable, others suffered catastrophic biological failure after an unprecedented span of years, their own superhuman physiques turning against them in the end." Plus "Though the Thunder Warriors were superior in every physical aspect of their creation to the later Space Marines, they suffered from one flaw the later Astartes would not -- their lifespans were extremely short. " Plus " Unlike most Space Marines, the Thunder Warriors were cold-blooded, ruthless killers who possessed talents for nothing other than war. In many ways they represented the worst aspects of Mankind's nature rather than its best. As the Unification Wars drew to a close, the Emperor knew that He would still need the superior skills of gene-modified warriors in order to carry on his "Great Crusade" and conquer the galaxy. It was for this reason that He had moved to craft the genetically-engineered warriors who were truly superior in every way to average humans -- morally, spiritually and intellectually as well as physically. These perfections of the transhuman warrior template would become the first true Space Marines of the Legiones Astartes. The Thunder Warriors were discarded as imperfect tools that had served their purpose." Plus "The emblem gives the suit its most common present-day name - Thunder Armour. This early armour was produced on a completely local basis. There was no standard design, individual suits varied heavily and their exact designs were often a matter of personal taste. The main part of the armour is the massive powered torso which encloses the chest and arms. Coiled energy cables beneath the armour plating transmitted energy from the power pack on the back to the arms, greatly increasing the warrior's physical strength. Since the fighting on Terra during this period was primarily close-quarters, the strength of a warrior's chest and arms was of paramount importance. The legs of this armour are not powered at all, but are enclosed in tough padded breaches, though simple steel plates were sometimes also used. Although uncommon, the best-equipped warriors sometimes wore armoured greaves and armoured boots. However, this ancient suit of Power Armour was noticeably noisier than later models, perhaps due to the unpowered legs, making stealth operations nearly impossible in it. The Thunder Warriors were armed with an archaic, but large and powerful pattern of the standard Astartes Bolter." wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/3/35/The-Outcast-Dead.jpg/371px-The-Outcast-Dead.jpg (Here you can see the two survivors of the Culling:Arik Taranis and Ghota) SO... It is not about us, our debate BUT the Thunder Warriors and Space Marines. A future fight can be VERY dirty. I think of the ABC-protection which the Space Marines (fully sealed power armour) HAVE but the Thunder Warriors will be drowned in a gas, eaten alive by biological components (virus or a bacteria) or simply killed by radiation (alfa and gamma rays of nuclear warheads). That's why : let us assume they wouldn't use such things. When a modern firefight is in progress two components are vital: firepower and speed/agility. Even a man with a simple musket from the XVIIth century or a Turkish Janichar with his reflex bow would kill a Thunder Warrior from distance because of his un /underarmoured legs and lower body. (If you are boosted up to a mass of Schwarzenegger or Lou Ferrigno it worth nothing because you'll lose your agility, you cannot take cover etc.) The SM wins. Lets see the CLOSE/Hand-to-Hand COMBAT. The same size, roughly the same strenght (WS). A Space Marine is about my physique (strong and mucsular but agile enough, not slowed by overbuilt muscles) and a Thunder Warrior has huge shoulders and arms WITHOUT appropriate proportions of the lower body ( see a bodybuilder with arms of 60 cm and legs like columns he simply can NOT move). SM wins. A TW fights with a Thunder Hammer (Ghota, one of their best) or a mace or gladius-type powersword. The hammer/mace is a huge heavy and clumsy bludgeoning weapon, gladius is for piercing (see Roman Legionnaries). A SM ( CHARACTERISTICALLY a Dark Angel as their Legion is the FIRST not the puny Ultramarines) uses a powered broadsword or bastard sword or power axe. These sword are piercing/slashing weapons with a longer blade and hilt but can be used with one hand just like the axe. SMs may use battle knives or powered daggers (like Dark Angels sacrificial blades that can be seen on 2nd Edition models - especially Terminators). While a Thunder Warrior swings his hammer/mace or tries to thrust his blades into the enemy will be sliced twice by a Calibanian sword ( longsword) or stabbed by a two-handed grip ripost. And they can't even parry a SM's slash. That is pure artifier's and Swordmanship (technical) question. SM wins. Lets see the WAR!!! War is NOT a duel where a Thunder Warrior or a Custodian surely will kill a Space Marine (not a 42nd millenium but a 31st millenium SM). Though war is not about single actions. It sis about squads, platoons detachments and their leaders. In this field, both tactically and strategically Space Marines BEAT both of their predecessors. Why? Because TWs are brutal killers and psyhotics like Angron's World Eater Renegades, nothing more. Because Custodians are perfect bodyguards, nothing more. SPACE MARINES ARE KNIGHTS who use tactics and strategy, they co-operate they help one another because they are BRETHREN. They are resilient to psyhology (oh... a Greater Daemon is closing, everyone runs but DeathWings are assaulting) and they HAVE psykers in the form of Librarians - who are strong enough like a Sith Lord in Star Wars. They will kill TWs by dozen or a fry even a Custodian. So, I ADMIT the greatness of TWs or Custodians but these are just bodyguards or mercenaries while Space Marines are tru warriors, warrior knights. Quite a different kind and a different warfare. To be brutal does not mean you win, brother...
Ogre Laca Look I'm not denying that the Thunder Warriors were clad in less protective armor, nor am I denying that they were insane technobarbarians. However I must take issue that a 17th century musket could harm armor from 30000 years in the future. And yes, if you examine the picture, the Thunder Warriors did have armor on their legs. It just wasn't as protective as the powered areas that protected the chest and arms. "The legs of this armour Mark are typically not power-armoured at all, but are enclosed in tough padded breeches. The best-equipped warriors sometimes wore armoured greaves and armoured boots, and such additional protection was common amongst the Thunder Warriors." src: White Dwarf 129 (UK), Space Marine Armour by Rick Priestley, reprinted in Warhammer 40,000: Compilation "A Space Marine is about my physique" (wut, you're 9 feet fall and 450 lbs of pure muscle?) "(strong and mucsular but agile enough, not slowed by overbuilt muscles) and a Thunder Warrior has huge shoulders" (I forgot, space marine pauldrons got smaller over time) "and arms WITHOUT appropriate proportions of the lower body ( see a bodybuilder with arms of 60 cm and legs like columns he simply can NOT move)." (I'll agree that proportions in 40k are inaccurate to the point of hilarity but the Thunder Warrors I've seen look about as well proportioned as Space Marines, please link me to anything that disproves this.) Again, "Even the few that survived the end of the Unification Wars were more than a match for an Astartes in single combat." I must stress that the lexicanum doesn't like fanon and if they printed something, it likely showed up in official works somewhere. Besides which, it was the arms and chest that were powered so they didn't have to do all the running and jumping a Space Marine ought to, which insofar as I am aware, is not much due to the very heavy suits of power armor they have on. Remember, powered armor is still very heavy plate armor. The powered aspect means that they can move better, not that they can sprint around doing backflips. And yes, the Thunder Warrior armor is less protective, but the Thunder Warriors still had the might that this was less of an issue. Also that bit about the weapons probably doesn't hold much measure as there haven't been much in the way of technological advancements since the Horus Heresy, you know, what with the techpriests being too afraid to mess with DAoT tech and discouraging experimentation for the most part. Of course I'm quite sure that the TW were no match for the Custodes, who from what I've seen in The First Heretic, were more than a match for many Adeptus Astartes. And in that same book it spoke of how the AA worked together as a unit, something I wouldn't be surprised to find that the TW would've had problems with. In conclusion: calm your tits. I merely said that the TW were better in some aspects, not that they would curbstomp AA and should've been leading the Great Crusade.
"Padded breaches" is like textile armour, not so much "leather armour". The idea of leather armor is a very common misconception, and it's mostly due to Gary Gygax being an idiot sometimes. "Leather armour" was usually made from rawhide, not tanned leather. The hide was heat-treated with wax or oil, lacquered and made into small rigid plates resembling modern plastic. Tanned leather, on the other hand, is flexible and weaker against cutting and piercing; it was also more expensive before the industrial revolution, and therefore would not be a good choice for armoring when a simple linen gambeson is both cheaper and outright better. There's a reason why almost every people throughout human history used textile armour (from the stone age to this day), while hide-based armours were rare, mostly ceremonial, and mostly curiosity pieces (even in their own time).
one thing i'm unsure of, has power armour progressed or regressed? For example the Aquila pattern is the most popular, but is that because it's the best? If so why use maximus, corvus or even parts of the armorum ferrum suits?
They take it off. A good view into how space marines work is Brothers of the Snake by Dan Abnett. Other novels about the space marines often discuss how they act off the battlefield. They can keep their armor on for years if they are going from conflict to conflict but occasionally will take it off during travel if they have chapter serfs to help don the armor again.
One thing that's always bugged me about the lore, why is it that people who can build titans cannot figure out how to make something until the blueprints are found? Are humans just completely uncreative with their own technologies?
radseven89 It's basically impossible to reconcile the Imperiums technology...Just say 'a wizard did it' whenever things don't add up...because they definitely do not add up, ever.
The Mechanicus primary forgeworld? And the books... just google "Black Library". To put it in perspective, I've only read a small portion of them and I have a couple dozen...
I may be wrong but I think you made a mistake with regards to when the Terminator armour was created. You said during the great crusade but I thought it was developed during the dark age of technology which is why there are a limited number in existence (i.e they don't have the blueprints to create more). Love your videos though!
how the fuck do the space marines fit their fat limbs through the holes where the arms and legs go through? - i am specifically talking about the exploded view drawing at 16:55
deltaproductions113 they do take there armor off, but they need the help of armor servitors that take the armor off them plate by plate, just as the armor goes on by bolting each plate onto the space marine, it is taken off by unbolting the plates one by one. The system in a suit of power armor is only capable of sustaining life for several weeks at a time so they have to take it off when there are not in combat.
They have not 'fat' limbs. Their Black Carapace in growth under the skin so the LOOK LIKE an over-trained Arnold Schwarzenegger with a skin of a Michelin-puppet - in fact they are giant knights clad in the modern version of the medieval ages full plate armour. They wear some kind of body-suit beneath the armour which is similar to XIIIrd century padded armour ciovered with silk. First the Cuirass and backplates, then the lower body /for loin and bottom and thigh/ will be donned and cabled and connected, Secondly they will put on their arms and legs and boots. Last is the helm. Of course: the plates will be connected to one another VERY carefully and will be fitted by Master Armourers to each Marine individually. AND as Yuuzhan2 told you: a Marine needs help to put on or take off his armour...
Yes of course. But they are at peak efficiency when in armor to which they are connected through the black carapace, an organ that connects the space marine to the sub systems (machine spirit) of his power armor, making both into one entity.
Very long. In a BL Novel, I think it was eye of terror, a dark angel drifts through space in hibbernation for 10000 years. His armor goes into hibbernation, too and needs only a bit of sunlight later to reactivate and operate fully.
Hawkeye Gough Well, since the power armor is an exoskeleton as well that's why i said he should do the centurion too. It's like a second power armor on top of the normal one.
MrLittlePredator It's more of an addition to power armor rather than actual power armor itself, much like jet packs. Also, it does not interface with the black carapace like all the other power armor types do ( the exception being the Mk1 ofcourse), and the suit is made to be able to carry an astartes already wearing power armor, which makes me wonder whether or not wearing power armor is a requirement if one where to use centurion armor. In addition to that, it is mentioned that the skills needed to pilot a centurion armor is part of every astartes his basic vehicle training, making it more of a vehicle rather than actual power armor, which functions more like a secondary skin.
I recommend buying a better mic. These videos are great and informative but the audio could be VASTLY improved. The volume is really low for most of the video and fuzzy in some points.
What silly about Space Marine armor is that in most artwork the artist didn't bother to draw it over a human body. I know Space Marines are supposed to be larger than regular humans, but if you look at a typical illustration of one and try to logically extrapolate the shape of the person inside, you get a ridiculous form.
you need to re do this man the sound is going up and down just enough to be a pain in the ass
You need to buy a better Mic. Sounds like your talking through a Xbox headset.
Man I wish the sound was better
+DreadnoughtsurvivalUK as do I, considering how long ago it was recorded, it will be replaced when the rest of the lore is done.
The content is excellent. I'm glad your going to redo the sound.
+The Vaults of Terra just a remark. leather armour did not exist. there was only leather lamellar look it up.
I find the delivery and material very engaging, but You need a better mic setup.
It gets better
+The Vaults of Terra I like it.
+The Vaults of Terra well too late for old videos! *angry bantering intensifies*
Jon dow its not that bad lol, guess u need to pay better attention to him talking haha
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I see what you did there, and I like it
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Watched it. Spotted a few mistakes, like how actually the knowledge to make power armour was never lost, it just devolved in most places to where only Mk I-style could be made. All the Techno-Barbarian Warriors were augmented, even those fighting against the Emperor. Thunder Armour was only designated as Mk I when Mk II was made.
These mistakes and others, led to a few contradictions in there.
P.S. Thanks for using one of my pics, but I do have loads more on armour if you ever decide to re-do this.
I love your videos. I dont play but I love the fiction and setting and having an audio for it is great
I just have to say, thank you for this channel. as i am a child of this generation, everyone is into CoD but, i found some warhammer things and got intrigued and wanted to find out the lore but didn't know where to start. then i found this channel. Thank You
Excellent as always! Really looking forward to hearing about the non-imperium races.
Fantastic stuff as always, minus the audio ::) Tho IG fan its, always nice to hear in-depth lore like this! Thank you ::)
A thing you forgot to mention about the Aquila armour; the armour only got its name after the Horus Heresy after the Emperor decreed that all loyalist legions were to bear his aquila.
It's funny in this galaxy-spanning empire only comes up with technology ever 200 years or so... No wonder the Tau are a dangerously underestimated threat. They develop technology at an extremely rapid rate, compared to the Empire of Man.
The original tau homeworld was covered by a warpstorm. The imperium first discovered it with tribes. after the wwarpstorm those tribes became the powerful tau empire
douglas preston So the influence behind the Tau's technological advance was the Warp/Chaos? How did that work? They don't seem to be effected by the warp in the way Cultists or Chaos Space Marines are.
I thought the Tau have a weak psychic presence and would therefore be less desirable to warp-entities. I forgot specifically how the Tau advanced so quickly, but I thought the arrival of the Ethereals helped unify the tribes. Then that unification led to their society advancing.
Samuel Passow IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT
In my opinion I think the Mark 8 power Armour is best suited for Devastator squads as it provides more protection but also can be quite useful for tactical squads.
Unless your guy is up against Tyranids, Eldar Harlequins, Chaos Imbued blades or Psychers.
Other than that, Fantastic.
I've a question: how where the space marines called who deserted and fought against the emperor (and where always defeated)?
so glad you improved your audio
I'm told that the shoulders are adjustable via the black carapace. This is meant to explain how they can see past their own mega-sized paldrins. It simply lowers itself.
Just wanted to add that.
Storm bolters have the same firepower as 2 bolters. Essentially a storm bolter is a double barreled bolter. And the thing about Genestealers is, they are nasty in close combat. Their rending claws will wreak some vehicles as well as power armor. And terminators aren't always the ones that go into space hulks. Sometimes full space marine squads will have to go in and deal with the threats if terminators are unavailable.
Your voice comes over clear just fine.
It is worth to note that Alpharius (or Omegon... or both) is still alive so primarch armor does exsist. But if you mean armor from one of the dead/lost primarchs it's a good question, However if there is, I doubt that any space marine is actually big enough to use it.
i love space marines i have played all the games and i never seen another firm that stick on one race like warhammer they must love the space marines like me
mk6 helmet is just pure perfection a space marine can have. removing eyes and placing cameras instead would be better but unreliable.
ino you mentioned different styles of terminator armour but could you go into more detail about cataphractii and tartaros patern armour and centurion armour
unless there isn't mutch more information than you already mentioned
I've learnt so much thanks to your videos.
In the first Horus heresy book you are told that they are impotent and don't have a sex drive.
I think it's really telling of the depth of the 40K universe when someone can make a 33 minute video on just the armor worn by one faction. Granted, it is the most-written-about faction, but still.
Arch Warhammer would talk about each suit's tactical purpose, easily stretching this to 1h 30 min.
Question. Why do the traitor legion (Chaos space marine) models mostly have heavily modified MK7 armour? Is there a lore explanation for this, or is it an oversight from the guys at Games workshop?
It has become less common now the designs for the older armour types are so well know, but the lore theory is that, although Mk.IV and V were common with the chaos legions during the HH, they have had to loot newer armour as their old equipment wore out over the last 10,000 years, so they either took the MK.VII plate from SM supplies or looted them directly from the corpses of their dead foes, and modified them accordingly to show their allegiance and defile the armour's machine spirit. Out of lore, it is easy to take an existing SM mold and modify it for a CSM rather then having to create a completely new mold for a new model, although that is changing now forge world has been putting out Heresy era models, allowing for more heresy armour types to field in people's armies. I hope that answered your question.
***** thanks, I thought it might be something like that. So armour does have a machine spirit?
yes, all mechanical goods do, from a basic 2 way radio to a gigantic suite if power armour.
Awesome, thank you!
Another thing to note with Chaos forces wearing MK7, lots of chaos forces have turned to the Dark Gods after the Horus Heresy, so they were already using MK7 when they converted!
Do tech priests have their own armor? Or does their bionic skin count enough to be armor. I wouldn't think they'd engage in combat much but then again you do see some pictures of them in battle with advanced weaponry.
Great work you are doing here!
I would like to offer some feedback though :)
The difference in sound levels are a bit annoying, the sound levels vary through out the video and I have to turn the sound up to hear you properly but then everything besides the talk, like the music for the intro and outro (and other sounds on my computer), become very loud.
Also, for doing re-takes it is often easiest just to note the time on a piece of paper so it is easier to find and fix when editing :)
They're the oldest standing members of the Chapter and have experience battling Tyranids, their armor is the thickest, they're the most accurate and have the heaviest weapon power.
I'd say that sending in regular space marines is a likelier chance of failure, over sending in experienced veterans who have likely fought Tyranids before, perhaps even repeatedly, have better guns and stronger armor.
Would be awesome for the Grey Knights to get their own video.
Wasn't Macragge assaulted by hive fleet Behemoth, not Leviathan? Or at least thats what it claims in the Tyranid Codex.
Could you please do an update with the Primarius Marines armor variations?
I was just wondering where Artificer armour fits in, what mk is it/is it one of the ones between mk8 and runic mk12. Also, the grey knights terminator armour, is it a modified version of one of the others, or unique unto its own? Thank you for doing this series, i am relatively new to the 40k universe, I play grey knights and love the game.
What happened to Artificer Armour?
+Bayzid S. Rahman maybe look it up yourself considering its a modified version..
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You could use a better mic but at the same times it sounds like it’s straight of of 40k
Great vids, keep them up!
have mercy on my sound regulation! may the machine spirit assist you in the next video.
Artificer armor... not in here?
I thought the Adeptus Mechanicus don't like to innovate and mostly just use old plans, but here they are innovating Power armor. Is the power armor an independent invention for it to be innovated or the "No innovation" is only for weapons before the Dark Age and anything after that is allowed to be innovated or re-designed?
Warmach1ne 32 While creating new technologies and deviating extremely from current designs is frowned upon, creating new versions of existing equipment based upon necessity is quite common. The Mk VIII armour (which took ~8000 years to create) is simply the Mk VII armour with a few extra armour plates (a gorget and two leg protectors) strapped on.
Innovation and experimentation wasn't banned before the Horus Heresy as it is in current 40k, but the situation was similar. According to the HH book Mechanicum by Graham McNiell, the limitations in creating new technology was more a fear of those who understood not only how something worked, but also why it works.
Who is your favorite chapter?
I think you need to turn up the gain on your microphone, even with my sound at max and my speakers at 100% I can still barely hear you.
Hello there..i've got a good qustion..
The terminator armor it's supposed to be an armor that goes on top of the power armor?
I mean..it's like a second armor that goes on top of the power armor?Or you can jsut fit it on top of an Astartes?
In the space-hulk book.,,if i remember they were some short explanations about the Termiantor armor.. and i remember that against the Genestealers many terminator had the legs and arms hidraulic tubes damaged and they were unable to move..even if they were unharmed.
And in the Horus-Heresy (false gods) i remember Torgaddon making fun of First Captain Abbadon that he was to big to fit in a terminator Armor.
So my question it's. The Terminator armor it's like some Exoscheleton armor that goes on top of something.. Or just a more big Power Armor?
I know that a Normal space marine can move it's power armor even if had sufferd intense damage.even without the fibre bundles muscles.Just with his brute force
P.S I know that many captains were much larger than a normal astartes. But i don't think that any Captain without his Power armor can be as big as a Terminator.So that's why i thought that maybe the Terminator armor goes on top of the Power-Armor. But ofc i may be wrong Feel free to ilumiante me.
Sorry for my grammar
+Valentin Mitiu No, terminator Armour is separate to power Armour and worn separately. It is much heavier then power armour, and so is very difficult to move when damaged, plus they are a one size fits all sort of armour, where as power armour is easier to adjust if the Marine is larger or smaller then average.
+Valentin Mitiu What you're thinking of is Centurion armor. It goes over standard power armor and is like armor over armor.
Does any body here who has made a fan made chapter know of the Imperial Armour-y Space Marine image? where can i find it? all the fourms i have been on seem to be dead
Can you please try to redo this one? I know, I know it's been a very long while since you've posted it but the sound makes it horrible and I really want to hear an updated version if you may :3. Thanks anyway!
I won't be doing an update until I've got through most of the other races and factions, but I will one day, probably with updates on anything new.
I know you indirectly answered this question very clearly i still think its noteworthy to answer it directly and that is do space marines always wear their Armour? like a cyborg because i don't no about you but that's what i thought as a kid.
why does attack commander or leader of group were no helmet
+karan pkatarki i assume to announce their position of command to make it easier to tell that they are a higher rank.
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okay but head is the most important part fo your body which is meant to be protected .
yeah it also kinda looks cool in some cases, so it's a marketing thing as well.
+karan pkatarki i would say its for honor purposes it shows that this person shows no fear and it inspire other Space marine to fight along side with him i guess
kin huynh
than he gets snipe down so easily on the head
The Thunder Warriors were genetically modified as well. In fact in some aspects they were better than "modern" Adeptus Astartes.
Sorry Baron but they were not. They had (or rather will ) suffered a special genetic failure which can't occur at "nowadays's" Space Marines -except Chaos Renegades- they had gone to mad sooner or later because of the extreme performances of their built-in enhancements.
Ogre Laca
Oh but they were, again in some respects. Check the lexicanum. wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thunder_Warriors
"Even the few that survived the end of the Unification Wars were more than a match for an Astartes in single combat. They were made highly resistant to psychic attack, perhaps because of the sorcery they would regularly face during the Age of Strife. They had tremendous upper body strength that, when coupled with their early model of power armor, made them virtually unbeatable in close combat."
Modern Astartes are better designed for the Great Crusade that the Emperor had in mind, being more mentally stable and living much longer and having a much more refined creation process, but the Thunder Warriors shouldn't be forgotten. The Emperor might have even allowed these defects because he didn't want the violent psychotics that had grown up on pre-unified Terra leading his armies.
BaronPraxis8492 Thanks, I've read it.
But these are just word of an editor.
They are not fans nor warriors nor intelligent men.
(some of the house writers like Dan Abnett has no ability to question a British veteran about war..)
Read this (WH40k WIKI):
"Despite their many early victories in the Unification Wars, the Thunder Warriors were far from perfect. Some were mentally unstable, others suffered catastrophic biological failure after an unprecedented span of years, their own superhuman physiques turning against them in the end."
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"Though the Thunder Warriors were superior in every physical aspect of their creation to the later Space Marines, they suffered from one flaw the later Astartes would not -- their lifespans were extremely short. "
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" Unlike most Space Marines, the Thunder Warriors were cold-blooded, ruthless killers who possessed talents for nothing other than war. In many ways they represented the worst aspects of Mankind's nature rather than its best. As the Unification Wars drew to a close, the Emperor knew that He would still need the superior skills of gene-modified warriors in order to carry on his "Great Crusade" and conquer the galaxy. It was for this reason that He had moved to craft the genetically-engineered warriors who were truly superior in every way to average humans -- morally, spiritually and intellectually as well as physically. These perfections of the transhuman warrior template would become the first true Space Marines of the Legiones Astartes. The Thunder Warriors were discarded as imperfect tools that had served their purpose."
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"The emblem gives the suit its most common present-day name - Thunder Armour. This early armour was produced on a completely local basis. There was no standard design, individual suits varied heavily and their exact designs were often a matter of personal taste. The main part of the armour is the massive powered torso which encloses the chest and arms. Coiled energy cables beneath the armour plating transmitted energy from the power pack on the back to the arms, greatly increasing the warrior's physical strength. Since the fighting on Terra during this period was primarily close-quarters, the strength of a warrior's chest and arms was of paramount importance. The legs of this armour are not powered at all, but are enclosed in tough padded breaches, though simple steel plates were sometimes also used. Although uncommon, the best-equipped warriors sometimes wore armoured greaves and armoured boots. However, this ancient suit of Power Armour was noticeably noisier than later models, perhaps due to the unpowered legs, making stealth operations nearly impossible in it. The Thunder Warriors were armed with an archaic, but large and powerful pattern of the standard Astartes Bolter."
wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/3/35/The-Outcast-Dead.jpg/371px-The-Outcast-Dead.jpg
(Here you can see the two survivors of the Culling:Arik Taranis and Ghota)
SO...
It is not about us, our debate
BUT the Thunder Warriors and Space Marines.
A future fight can be VERY dirty.
I think of the ABC-protection which the Space Marines (fully sealed power armour) HAVE but the Thunder Warriors will be drowned in a gas, eaten alive by biological components (virus or a bacteria) or simply killed by radiation (alfa and gamma rays of nuclear warheads).
That's why : let us assume they wouldn't use such things.
When a modern firefight is in progress two components are vital: firepower and speed/agility.
Even a man with a simple musket from the XVIIth century or a Turkish Janichar with his reflex bow would kill a Thunder Warrior from distance because of his un /underarmoured legs and lower body. (If you are boosted up to a mass of Schwarzenegger or Lou Ferrigno it worth nothing because you'll lose your agility, you cannot take cover etc.)
The SM wins.
Lets see the CLOSE/Hand-to-Hand COMBAT.
The same size, roughly the same strenght (WS).
A Space Marine is about my physique (strong and mucsular but agile enough, not slowed by overbuilt muscles) and a Thunder Warrior has huge shoulders and arms WITHOUT appropriate proportions of the lower body ( see a bodybuilder with arms of 60 cm and legs like columns he simply can NOT move).
SM wins.
A TW fights with a Thunder Hammer (Ghota, one of their best) or a mace or gladius-type powersword. The hammer/mace is a huge heavy and clumsy bludgeoning weapon, gladius is for piercing (see Roman Legionnaries).
A SM ( CHARACTERISTICALLY a Dark Angel as their Legion is the FIRST not the puny Ultramarines) uses a powered broadsword or bastard sword or power axe. These sword are piercing/slashing weapons with a longer blade and hilt but can be used with one hand just like the axe. SMs may use battle knives or powered daggers (like Dark Angels sacrificial blades that can be seen on 2nd Edition models - especially Terminators).
While a Thunder Warrior swings his hammer/mace or tries to thrust his blades into the enemy will be sliced twice by a Calibanian sword ( longsword) or stabbed by a two-handed grip ripost. And they can't even parry a SM's slash. That is pure artifier's and Swordmanship (technical) question.
SM wins.
Lets see the WAR!!!
War is NOT a duel where a Thunder Warrior or a Custodian surely will kill a Space Marine (not a 42nd millenium but a 31st millenium SM).
Though war is not about single actions. It sis about squads, platoons detachments and their leaders. In this field, both tactically and strategically Space Marines BEAT both of their predecessors.
Why?
Because TWs are brutal killers and psyhotics like Angron's World Eater Renegades, nothing more.
Because Custodians are perfect bodyguards, nothing more.
SPACE MARINES ARE KNIGHTS who use tactics and strategy, they co-operate they help one another because they are BRETHREN.
They are resilient to psyhology (oh... a Greater Daemon is closing, everyone runs but DeathWings are assaulting) and they HAVE psykers in the form of Librarians - who are strong enough like a Sith Lord in Star Wars. They will kill TWs by dozen or a fry even a Custodian.
So, I ADMIT the greatness of TWs or Custodians but these are just bodyguards or mercenaries while Space Marines are tru warriors, warrior knights. Quite a different kind and a different warfare. To be brutal does not mean you win, brother...
Ogre Laca Look I'm not denying that the Thunder Warriors were clad in less protective armor, nor am I denying that they were insane technobarbarians. However I must take issue that a 17th century musket could harm armor from 30000 years in the future. And yes, if you examine the picture, the Thunder Warriors did have armor on their legs. It just wasn't as protective as the powered areas that protected the chest and arms. "The legs of this armour Mark are typically not power-armoured at all, but are enclosed in tough padded breeches. The best-equipped warriors sometimes wore armoured greaves and armoured boots, and such additional protection was common amongst the Thunder Warriors." src: White Dwarf 129 (UK), Space Marine Armour by Rick Priestley, reprinted in Warhammer 40,000: Compilation
"A Space Marine is about my physique" (wut, you're 9 feet fall and 450 lbs of pure muscle?) "(strong and mucsular but agile enough, not slowed by overbuilt muscles) and a Thunder Warrior has huge shoulders" (I forgot, space marine pauldrons got smaller over time) "and arms WITHOUT appropriate proportions of the lower body ( see a bodybuilder with arms of 60 cm and legs like columns he simply can NOT move)." (I'll agree that proportions in 40k are inaccurate to the point of hilarity but the Thunder Warrors I've seen look about as well proportioned as Space Marines, please link me to anything that disproves this.)
Again, "Even the few that survived the end of the Unification Wars were more than a match for an Astartes in single combat." I must stress that the lexicanum doesn't like fanon and if they printed something, it likely showed up in official works somewhere. Besides which, it was the arms and chest that were powered so they didn't have to do all the running and jumping a Space Marine ought to, which insofar as I am aware, is not much due to the very heavy suits of power armor they have on. Remember, powered armor is still very heavy plate armor. The powered aspect means that they can move better, not that they can sprint around doing backflips. And yes, the Thunder Warrior armor is less protective, but the Thunder Warriors still had the might that this was less of an issue.
Also that bit about the weapons probably doesn't hold much measure as there haven't been much in the way of technological advancements since the Horus Heresy, you know, what with the techpriests being too afraid to mess with DAoT tech and discouraging experimentation for the most part.
Of course I'm quite sure that the TW were no match for the Custodes, who from what I've seen in The First Heretic, were more than a match for many Adeptus Astartes. And in that same book it spoke of how the AA worked together as a unit, something I wouldn't be surprised to find that the TW would've had problems with.
In conclusion: calm your tits. I merely said that the TW were better in some aspects, not that they would curbstomp AA and should've been leading the Great Crusade.
BaronPraxis8492 BTFO
with that exploded graphic of the Mark 6 armor.. I wonder how anybody would fit in it...
can a lightsaber cut threw a spacemarines armor and can acid melt threw the armor as well?
no artificer armor?
"Padded breaches" is like textile armour, not so much "leather armour". The idea of leather armor is a very common misconception, and it's mostly due to Gary Gygax being an idiot sometimes. "Leather armour" was usually made from rawhide, not tanned leather. The hide was heat-treated with wax or oil, lacquered and made into small rigid plates resembling modern plastic. Tanned leather, on the other hand, is flexible and weaker against cutting and piercing; it was also more expensive before the industrial revolution, and therefore would not be a good choice for armoring when a simple linen gambeson is both cheaper and outright better. There's a reason why almost every people throughout human history used textile armour (from the stone age to this day), while hide-based armours were rare, mostly ceremonial, and mostly curiosity pieces (even in their own time).
Will you do some imperial guard stuff r sisters of battle?
Great Video. Did you right the Lexicanum article too?
Good work.
why the space marine don't use force shields in their armor as a standard
as always god work !
what do scouts wear exactly ?!?
one thing i'm unsure of, has power armour progressed or regressed? For example the Aquila pattern is the most popular, but is that because it's the best? If so why use maximus, corvus or even parts of the armorum ferrum suits?
its considered a honor to wear old armor in the eyes of all Astarte's
BaneKiller i get that, but is it because it's better or just because it's old?
Its old
It seems the aquilla is the best allrounder, but some of the other marks are more specialized
Why do they have heavy studs on the many varients of the mk 5
now the heaviest armour is not tactickal drednought but centurion armour
i didnt hear anything on it, but did you mention artificer armour?
it bugs me how many terminator's got a pieces of emperor's armor in their Crux Terminatus.
is the power armor ever taken off, or if does it stay on forever?
They take it off. A good view into how space marines work is Brothers of the Snake by Dan Abnett. Other novels about the space marines often discuss how they act off the battlefield. They can keep their armor on for years if they are going from conflict to conflict but occasionally will take it off during travel if they have chapter serfs to help don the armor again.
is there any amour for the primachs left? if so does anyone use them?
One thing that's always bugged me about the lore, why is it that people who can build titans cannot figure out how to make something until the blueprints are found? Are humans just completely uncreative with their own technologies?
radseven89 Watch my mechanicus video for the answer to that (Innovation = Tech-heresy).
***** Thanks. I'll watch it right now.
***** And then the Void Dragon comes along...
radseven89 It's basically impossible to reconcile the Imperiums technology...Just say 'a wizard did it' whenever things don't add up...because they definitely do not add up, ever.
radseven89 actually, yes
SO LOVE THIS CHANNEL, but hey man mind redo'ing this one? I'd love to have this redone with the 8th edition stuff.
Eventually
how does this even compared to crisis suit in 40 k level up ? 40 year level up for a suit that existed since 2007
Heard a lot people saying that the mars technicians has forgetten how to make terminator armours, is that true?
summer hot No but unfortunately they have forgotten how to make Jet-bikes, big sad face when Corvex of the Dark Angels is destroyed ;'(
So they can still make new terminator armours, but a lot of people say they can't anymore. Lost one, that's it, no more.
In that case though, it would mean they would've ran out of them a very, VEEEEEERY long time ago...
Very few know how to, and it takes an experienced team of techpriest many years to handcraft each suit
You might need to update this with Centurion Armor.
scout armour and artificer armour?
Hey, been loving your vids. I work with audio so can clean this up for you if you want :)
What do you mean when you mention mars? I don't understand what is there or what it is used for, Thank you very much!!!
+Mooky Tude Ohh by the way did u read the books? And how many are there?
The Mechanicus primary forgeworld? And the books... just google "Black Library". To put it in perspective, I've only read a small portion of them and I have a couple dozen...
You really need to redo the audio for this video.
mine's black templars. what's your's?
I may be wrong but I think you made a mistake with regards to when the Terminator armour was created. You said during the great crusade but I thought it was developed during the dark age of technology which is why there are a limited number in existence (i.e they don't have the blueprints to create more).
Love your videos though!
question when was the dark age of technology?it would be like from our time?like we today say: the dark ages of medievel time?
Vaults of Terra - (Imperium of Man) History of the Imperium (Pt.1)
Volume mixing, have you heard of it?
nemesismkiii Yes, but UA-cam's audio compression system has not.
One day, when I'm done with the rest, I will go back and clean up older videos, but they take a lot of time, so they'll get done when they get done.
Whenever I find the time to make them they come out, usually on a Sunday. There will be one soon.
Love your videos
what about Artificer Armour
how the fuck do the space marines fit their fat limbs through the holes where the arms and legs go through?
- i am specifically talking about the exploded view drawing at 16:55
They never take the armor off only the helmet
deltaproductions113
they do take there armor off, but they need the help of armor servitors that take the armor off them plate by plate, just as the armor goes on by bolting each plate onto the space marine, it is taken off by unbolting the plates one by one. The system in a suit of power armor is only capable of sustaining life for several weeks at a time so they have to take it off when there are not in combat.
Ah k
They have not 'fat' limbs.
Their Black Carapace in growth under the skin so the LOOK LIKE an over-trained Arnold Schwarzenegger with a skin of a Michelin-puppet - in fact they are giant knights clad in the modern version of the medieval ages full plate armour. They wear some kind of body-suit beneath the armour which is similar to XIIIrd century padded armour ciovered with silk.
First the Cuirass and backplates, then the lower body /for loin and bottom and thigh/ will be donned and cabled and connected, Secondly they will put on their arms and legs and boots. Last is the helm.
Of course: the plates will be connected to one another VERY carefully and will be fitted by Master Armourers to each Marine individually.
AND as Yuuzhan2 told you: a Marine needs help to put on or take off his armour...
games workshop hasn't touched on that subject up to this point i don't think
big fan of your videos big thx from holland
So, this is an awesome vid, but you forgot scout armor and artificer armour.
Can space marines remove their armour for example walk around and fight. Without it
Yes of course. But they are at peak efficiency when in armor to which they are connected through the black carapace, an organ that connects the space marine to the sub systems (machine spirit) of his power armor, making both into one entity.
Yes, but it would be foolish to fight without it in most situations
what about scout armer
does anyone know how long the armor can operate for?
Very long. In a BL Novel, I think it was eye of terror, a dark angel drifts through space in hibbernation for 10000 years. His armor goes into hibbernation, too and needs only a bit of sunlight later to reactivate and operate fully.
I have no problem with any of your videos, but I just wish that some of them were a bit louder.
Will individual characters ever be done? Just curious
Some of our last videos will be characters,
I find this would be extremely interesting if not for the fact that I cannot hear it. Redub!
Do another video, please, with the centurion, scout and the other armors you didn't explain on this video.
the centurion isn't armor actually, it's an exoskeleton suit wore over the regular armor of a space marine
Hawkeye Gough Well, since the power armor is an exoskeleton as well that's why i said he should do the centurion too. It's like a second power armor on top of the normal one.
MrLittlePredator It's more of an addition to power armor rather than actual power armor itself, much like jet packs. Also, it does not interface with the black carapace like all the other power armor types do ( the exception being the Mk1 ofcourse), and the suit is made to be able to carry an astartes already wearing power armor, which makes me wonder whether or not wearing power armor is a requirement if one where to use centurion armor. In addition to that, it is mentioned that the skills needed to pilot a centurion armor is part of every astartes his basic vehicle training, making it more of a vehicle rather than actual power armor, which functions more like a secondary skin.
Centurion Armour?
He talks about it around 21:00
you forgot the "Artificer" armour
28:46 BROTHER CLAUDIO!
You audio for most of your videos is so low. I have to turn everything to max and then put on headset to understand you.
3:53 picture brought to you by 8th graders.
Mic sounds fine to me
dude scout, artificer and centurion armour please
sadly you will need to update this thanks to the centurians
Where the Titan video man for the machine god
I recommend buying a better mic. These videos are great and informative but the audio could be VASTLY improved. The volume is really low for most of the video and fuzzy in some points.
What silly about Space Marine armor is that in most artwork the artist didn't bother to draw it over a human body. I know Space Marines are supposed to be larger than regular humans, but if you look at a typical illustration of one and try to logically extrapolate the shape of the person inside, you get a ridiculous form.